Will My E-Commerce Mentor/Coach Get Angry If I Teach What I Learnt from Him/Her?

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Hi,

So I am thinking of hiring a coach or a mentor for e-commerce to make a few bucks.

But I am doing it because I eventually want to create my own course for e-commerce, and I want to make sure my course actually is based on real results.

Question is, will my mentor/coach/consultant not be mad at me? D:

It almost seems like a chicken and an egg situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author TenaciousGrease
    Personally, if you hired me as a coach, then turned around and just taught the same shit I taught you....

    I'd do everything in my power to end your business online...

    But - that's just me!

    Good luck, make wise choices!
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  • Profile picture of the author ironstill
    He might get angry, he might not, but that's not your problem as long as your course is unique and you add your own twists.

    Just don't copy his course and you'll be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Anh,

    Only the insane, the disgustingly greedy, or the piddle in your pants terrified mentor would be so afraid of....hell, everything...that they would be upset if you shared their teachings via your free content; blog posts, videos, everything free.

    One of the prime reasons I mentor bloggers is to help other bloggers then to help other bloggers and so on.

    Now....as for premium content, you cannot literally mimic what they do, and sell it as your own. Because folks will buy your mentor's course and see you as a fraud, and you will lose your reputation. But if you took notes on your mentor's course, studied the notes, and, maybe, 6-12 months down the road, when you find your own voice and style, through daily practice, you can release a course covering the same niche, based on the lessons you learned. At this point though with the thousands of hours you have practiced creating, your course and your mentor's course will look nothing alike.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Originally Posted by Anh Dao View Post

    Hi,

    So I am thinking of hiring a coach or a mentor for e-commerce to make a few bucks.

    But I am doing it because I eventually want to create my own course for e-commerce, and I want to make sure my course actually is based on real results.

    Question is, will my mentor/coach/consultant not be mad at me? D:

    It almost seems like a chicken and an egg situation.
    This is one of the more nonsensical things I've read on this forum, and there is a lot of nonsense.

    Brent
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by Anh Dao View Post

    Hi,

    So I am thinking of hiring a coach or a mentor for e-commerce to make a few bucks.

    But I am doing it because I eventually want to create my own course for e-commerce, and I want to make sure my course actually is based on real results.

    Question is, will my mentor/coach/consultant not be mad at me? D:

    It almost seems like a chicken and an egg situation.
    Honestly if you are thinking of hiring a coach you're likely not ready to become one yourself in the same area.

    If you do chose to eventually go down this path make sure you're able to offer value. I would also talk to your coach/mentor prior just to make sure you clear the air and don't burn any bridges.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Anh Dao View Post


    Question is, will my mentor/coach/consultant not be mad at me? D:
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    I'm actually working with a few people right now toward their own courses. I am not mad or afraid in the least. Now if you mean to buy a course and rip it off thats another thing but not coaching or mentorship.

    Its not even realistic for a coach not to think thats going to happen at some point.

    However no mentor is ever going to make you into a copy of him/herself knowing every single thing and pass on every talent in every area they have

    My value proposition remains. I actually try to guide people to their own strengths. I am not one of those offering hundreds of people coaching so I guess its not possible for those kinds of coaches.

    but no wouldn't anger me in the least unless you just plagiarized/copy and pasted or duplicated my stuff . Say it in your own words? - free world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neal01
    Don't just plagiarise someone elses (which I'm sure you won't) but if you was taught something and found it to be quite effective you would then be ok to teach it because it's worked for you and you get a results out of it. Make sure you teach it your own way so you are putting your own spin on it and not just copying someone elses.

    It can be a fine line but most of what is out there is duplication, just don't take it and put your own label on it, use the methods and then tweak it to fit your style and then you teach it how you've done it and not someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Don't tell your coach I told you this, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that he learned what he is teaching from someone else, who also probably learned it from somebody.

    Think of it like a popular song, one that's been covered many times (this is a good time of year for that). The lyrics are pretty much the same. The base melody is pretty much the same. But each version is unique in its own way.

    That's you cue here. Learn what you can from the coach. Use it enough to be able to add your own touches and twists. Absorb it so you really understand it, and can get the real world results you mentioned.

    On our last cruise, my wife and I took a tour of a city along the route. The driver/tourguide barely spoke English, and his presentation was obviously memorized. Every time he lost his place, he had to start over. He could not answer questions, with one exception. He could tell you about every casino near the harbor that paid him to promote it.

    Don't be that guy, and you should be okay.

    Heck, I love it when someone I help learns what I teach well enough to teach it themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jessica Ambos
    If you completely plagiarized every single detail, then yes. Definitely, yes. Learn from your mentor but do not copy their work and pass it off as your own. Make your own course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    One way to assure that your coaching is different from your mentors is to re-purpose it to a different marketplace.

    So for example, your coach does e-commerce in certain sectors like maybe he deals in electronics or tech-related stuff. Take what you learn from him and apply it to a different marketplace all together like fitness or beauty, or any other topic that is different from your coach's. It shouldn't be too difficult to talk to potential coaches and see where they have made their money before you hire one.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Anh Dao View Post

    Question is, will my mentor/coach/consultant not be mad at me? D:
    It depends on how much money you paid to hire him.

    A smart coach would think about his lifetime average value of a customer.

    If i was in business selling $30 ebooks, then i started ebook consulting for $3000 per client... i personally wouldn't care if you paid me, took my knowledge, make it work for you, and then started coaching and did exactly what i said to you.

    In my mind, it would take me 100 sales from you at $30 per ebook to reach $3000.

    If you pay me $3000 for mouth advice.... imma take the money, coach you to success, then check on you from time to time.

    But to get mad at you - for paying me the equivalent of 100 sales at $30... why would i get mad??? Especially if my average customer only buys 4 ebooks from me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Brindamour
    Anh,

    This is not a good practice. You can certainly take some keypoints and repurpose them in your own words, but I would not rip off someone else.

    One great way to get off the ground quickly is to find someone who is successful in your niche and model them, don't copy them model them.

    One other thing you can do is do some research on a topic or subject and then share what have learned. Learn, do, teach.

    this is a great way to move forward, learn something new, implement it, then share your results.

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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    i do not think it is wrong at all. specially when you show real proof and put your own twist. here is what i do. make a wso and sell it. and sell your coach's coaching as an OTO AND I AM SURE HE WILL GIVE YOU 50% COMMISSION. THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO ANY WORK AND YOU MADE THE MONEY.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Seems like common sense to me. If you hire a coach and LEARN and succeed with the informtion from that coach....you would likely know enough AFTER you succeed to create a product about your success.

    If the idea is to get coaching only to use that coach's information as your own 'advice' - don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author anayb
    Originally Posted by Anh Dao View Post

    Hi,

    So I am thinking of hiring a coach or a mentor for e-commerce to make a few bucks.

    But I am doing it because I eventually want to create my own course for e-commerce, and I want to make sure my course actually is based on real results.

    Question is, will my mentor/coach/consultant not be mad at me? D:

    It almost seems like a chicken and an egg situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    As long as you don't plagiarize any of his course material then knock yourself out.

    No traffic generation or list building methods are "secret," even though many sales pages claim they are.

    If you went to a university and got a degree to become a history teacher, then you wouldn't hesitate to get a job teaching other students what you learned there, would you?

    And any mentor/coach who would try to "end your business" because you are teaching others what you learned is not using his/her energy for anything constructive and would not be able to end your business anyway. That type of talk and behavior is utter rubbish. People like that are to be avoided and ignored.

    I say learn your trade, master it, and if you wish to coach others after that I wish you nothing but success.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      And any mentor/coach who would try to "end your business" because you are teaching others what you learned is not using his/her energy for anything constructive and would not be able to end your business anyway. That type of talk and behavior is utter rubbish. People like that are to be avoided and ignored.
      Whether or not it is "utter rubbish" depends on the actual business area/model. Some models, especially locally based ones, thrive with only a few competitors, and collapse if there are too many offering the same thing.

      Of course, any coach/teacher in such a business would have an enforceable non-compete agreement signed and in hand before teaching anything. When I parted ways with the manufacturing company I worked for in the late 80's, part of my exit interview was a reminder that I was not allowed to work for a company in the same product market for three years.

      Absent such an agreement...

      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      I say learn your trade, master it, and if you wish to coach others after that I wish you nothing but success.
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