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Fernando Veloso 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Imran Naseem

It happened to me too today so I checked before I gave out the product.

These people steal your products then share them on other sites.

Ahhh.

Maybe just throw up the names/emails somewhere else?
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seamusb

15 years ago

That is why it is much better to automate the whole thing by paying somebody like e-junkie.com $10 a month to take away the pain and let them manage the Paypal payments (Plug - I use it for my WSO and it works fine!)

Outsource, outsource, outsource

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shermancox

15 years ago

Yep...plus you have the added benefit of your customer getting the product immediately....

Originally Posted by seamusb

That is why it is much better to automate the whole thing by paying somebody like e-junkie.com $10 a month to take away the pain and let them manage the Paypal payments (Plug - I use it for my WSO and it works fine!)

Outsource, outsource, outsource

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Jillian Slack 15 years ago

I never understood why people posted transaction IDs in the first place.

Is it because they are wasting time by manually sending the WSO content to their buyers?
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Joe Stewart 14 years ago

Originally Posted by shermancox

Yep...plus you have the added benefit of your customer getting the product immediately....

I wouldn't necessarily say that. E-junkie has been a real pain. I've had to notify the product owner to get my stuff two of the past three times I've bought something through there because I couldn't get the products to download.

Wishful thinking, but I get what you're saying. :-)
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WritingMadwoman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seamusb

That is why it is much better to automate the whole thing by paying somebody like e-junkie.com $10 a month to take away the pain and let them manage the Paypal payments (Plug - I use it for my WSO and it works fine!) Outsource, outsource, outsource

EJunkie also has another great feature; you can go into your dashboard and re-send the thank you email with re-activated download links - which will also expire according to the timeframe you have set up for that product.

I'm a huge e-junkie fan!

I also plan to check out WSO plus the next time I run a WSO, seems like a great system.

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Alex Williams

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seamusb

That is why it is much better to automate the whole thing by paying somebody like e-junkie.com $10 a month to take away the pain and let them manage the Paypal payments (Plug - I use it for my WSO and it works fine!)

Outsource, outsource, outsource

I do automate many, many things. But these do happen no matter what... And honestly, you cannot rely 100% on software and tools, so still need to check for fakes.

Anyways, good thing to remember, thanks

Alex

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um1001

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seamusb

That is why it is much better to automate the whole thing by paying somebody like e-junkie.com $10 a month to take away the pain and let them manage the Paypal payments (Plug - I use it for my WSO and it works fine!)

Outsource, outsource, outsource

Seconding e-junkie. Great service.

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secretjustin

15 years ago

I was actually wondering this the other day. If people were doing that. I see people posting transaction ids in the threads all the time, I don't know why they would do that in the first place. Fools. But anyway...

The WSO's here are dirt cheap and are extremely useful for most people. It's a shame there are people who go that far.

Maybe there should be some new protocol when selling. For example, perhaps some sort of warning to users when replying to WSO threads? I was thinking of a pop-up but would be irritating. Maybe some sort of RED LABEL just above the user input message box. " WARNING: Posting your transaction # or other personal ordering information is forbidden. Please contact the seller directly with your ordering or transaction # If you have comments or questions regarding such. K thanks."

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admiral

15 years ago

Originally Posted by secretjustin

I was actually wondering this the other day. If people were doing that. I see people posting transaction ids in the threads all the time, I don't know why they would do that in the first place. Fools. But anyway...

The WSO's here are dirt cheap and are extremely useful for most people. It's a shame there are people who go that far.

Maybe there should be some new protocol when selling. For example, perhaps some sort of warning to users when replying to WSO threads? I was thinking of a pop-up but would be irritating. Maybe some sort of RED LABEL just above the user input message box. " WARNING: Posting your transaction # or other personal ordering information is forbidden. Please contact the seller directly with your ordering or transaction # If you have comments or questions regarding such. K thanks."

excellent post on the issue and i feel the admin should nip this in the bud pronto.

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LOWESTCOSTWIRELESS 14 years ago

Interesting,

I guess there is no limit to what some will do to save a buck, I never bothered checking, but I can see now that I had better start being more careful. One thing for sure, the time verses lost revenues are more important than ever as the recession brings out the rip offs on all front.

I have been seeing a similar problem with affiliate marketing, more and more poeple simply input their own clickbank ID's into url cutting out who ever got them to affiliate site to begin with, one of the reasons most affiliate programs are going to multi-tier to try and prevent total loss on sales. The whole industry is in for a tough time the worse the recession gets, so hang on.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by secretjustin

I was actually wondering this the other day. If people were doing that. I see people posting transaction ids in the threads all the time, I don't know why they would do that in the first place. Fools. But anyway...

The WSO's here are dirt cheap and are extremely useful for most people. It's a shame there are people who go that far.

Maybe there should be some new protocol when selling. For example, perhaps some sort of warning to users when replying to WSO threads? I was thinking of a pop-up but would be irritating. Maybe some sort of RED LABEL just above the user input message box. " WARNING: Posting your transaction # or other personal ordering information is forbidden. Please contact the seller directly with your ordering or transaction # If you have comments or questions regarding such. K thanks."

I agree with you i think admin should put up a system that will give WARNING to anybody that post PayPal transaction number for WSO ORDER....

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Kay King

15 years ago

'Purchase Transaction ID', do your due dilligence and check if the person really bought or just issued a fake transaction ID,

Yes it happens on occasion - BUT - there are also sellers who don't understand what a "transaction id" is.

If I give you MY transaction id for a purchase - it does nothing for you. The transaction ID the buyer receives from Paypal is different than the Seller's transaction ID. That's because the ID's are for paypal's use.

The way to know if someone bought or not is for them to provide their PAYPAL EMAIL ADDRESS.

Sellers asking for "your transaction ID number" tell me the seller doesn't know how to easily find a transaction on paypal.

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Clyde Dennis

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If I give you MY transaction id for a purchase - it does nothing for you. The transaction ID the buyer receives from Paypal is different than the Seller's transaction ID. That's because the ID's are for paypal's use.

The way to know if someone bought or not is for them to provide their PAYPAL EMAIL ADDRESS.

kay

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Do everything based on their Paypal email address.

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jacktackett

15 years ago

Thanks for the heads up.

I also agree that automating delivery is the way to go. I've used e-junkie and it works well. I'm using Mike Lantz's system now at wsoplus and I'm very happy with it. For $10 its a great deal for WSOs. And opens up JV opportunities with Mike and the Warrior Forum itself.

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Ebbi

15 years ago

Yeah.. I have actually done this myself but because I didn't receive direct access
to the WSO I bought. The reason I posted the transaction ID was also because I
had seen other people do it. I wouldn't say that everyone that does this is a scam
because this has been done for many years at the WF.

But there is no reason this should be of any trouble for the seller. If you see some
one post their transaction ID just click on their name and pick send a private message.
Ask the person for more information like their paypal email address.

I wouldn't say this is a major problem and no one really has to become a victim if they
just take the time to interact with their customers or have a clear line in their WSO
that tells them to use a support desk or use PM's for these kind of situations.

I also remember that the seller would actually ask their buyers to post the
transaction ID in the thread to increase the post count and make their thread look
more attractive

hehe

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tecHead

15 years ago

FYI ...
Both GetResponse and aWeber have added PayPal integration to their services.

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P.Sharma

15 years ago

I always send them products to their paypal email when I recieve an email from paypal stating that I have got a payment. Some people just don't respect that it takes to write a truly wonderful WSO and share somebody else's hard work with a bunch of broke people

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ecoverartist

15 years ago

I just use DLGuard (dlguard.com) and automate the whole thing. They can post transaction IDs to their heart's content but they won't get a download link unless they bought

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Joe Farmer 15 years ago

I use e-junkie also. What I run into a lot, is that people often use a different e-mail address for their PayPal accounts and don't realize that the download link is sent to that address. I think that it's important to let them know that the product will be delivered to their PayPal address, somewhere in your sales page.
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TristanPerry

15 years ago

Seriously? People send out products without checking the payment has been received?

I know I'm relatively new here (but not to online business, granted), but isn't it common sense?

Thanks for the tip though, it's worth posting up for those sellers who apparently don't check something as basic as this.

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steveniam

15 years ago

Seriously if the so call buyer give you the transaction id and you never check to verify whether he or she has bought it, you cannot blame anyone.

It take less a minute to verify the transaction id and I suppose most marketeers know how to use the search function.

Originally Posted by Lady NaNa

I have been keeping this to myself for some time, but since this is going overboard lately, decided to discuss openly, without mentioning any names. Just a short note to ALL WSO sellars - When someone claims to have 'bought' your product/service and gives you their 'Purchase Transaction ID', do your due dilligence and check if the person really bought or just issued a fake transaction ID, anticipating that you will send him or her the product download link. Many sellars are too busy to check and authenticate if the purchase was really made, and unwittingly send these fakers the product download link.

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Kay King

15 years ago

The reason I posted the transaction ID was also because I
had seen other people do it. I wouldn't say that everyone that does this is a scam
because this has been done for many years at the WF.

Some time ago WSO sellers would TELL people to "post your transaction details and I'll send you the link". They did it only to get more posts which bumped their threads to the top and because having more "responses" made their thread look more important.

Allen changed it so that WSO threads can't be bumped with every post made.

But many of those old threads can still be seen and others think they "should post" their details so the useless tactic just keeps going.

kay

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Robyn8243

15 years ago

Never could understand why anybody would not deliver with some type of automation...other than having an excuse to add comments to the thread. "I paid and did not get the link" +
"Just sent the link" adds up to a popular looking thread pretty fast.

Still sometimes there is a wrench in the system...people accidentally close download page
before they finish downloading or whatever.

Always a good idea to check for payment confirmation before sending a link.

Based on some of the money making suggestions I have read recently which include all kinds
of ways to make money by scamming people, I would not be surprised if there is not some
report bouncing around telling people to use this "transaction id" technique to get free WSOs or other products.

Thanks for the reminder.

Robyn

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

If somebody gives you their transaction ID, you can still find the transaction
by entering it into a PayPal search. It cross indexes their ID against your ID
and finds the transaction. If there is no match, there'll be nothing to find.

Bottom line...don't just take somebody's word for it.

Look it up...it takes 2 minutes.

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zapseo

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If somebody gives you their transaction ID, you can still find the transaction
by entering it into a PayPal search. It cross indexes their ID against your ID
and finds the transaction. If there is no match, there'll be nothing to find.

Bottom line...don't just take somebody's word for it.

Look it up...it takes 2 minutes.

Right. It usually takes 1 minute just to log into the darn thing. LOL.

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colzinfobiz

15 years ago

Thanks Steven, you read my mind. Also, I only use Pay Pal because it's proven to be the most secure form of transacting and dispute handling.

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Mark-Dickenson

15 years ago

I busted a few people doing that.

They sent me the Paypal transaction and I Pm'd them asking to send me the paypal email and never heard from them again

Imagine that lol

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Aitor Astobieta 15 years ago

Incredible how low some people can go.

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Tom Brite

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

I busted a few people doing that.

They sent me the Paypal transaction and I Pm'd them asking to send me the paypal email and never heard from them again

Imagine that lol

Are you joking!

Your products only $7... you mean they would prefer to spend a minute making up a fake transaction id as well as posting and never being trusted again just to get a free product... and the waiting time between that and a reply!

Now that is low... very low!

Next thing they are going to be doing it for $1 products and free products too which will be funny.

"hey i just purchased here's my transaction id: 1MAB1GL13R1D1DNTP4Y"

"oh... but this products free!"

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LegitIncomes

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Brite

Are you joking!

Your products only $7... you mean they would prefer to spend a minute making up a fake transaction id as well as posting and never being trusted again just to get a free product... and the waiting time between that and a reply!

Now that is low... very low!

Next thing they are going to be doing it for $1 products and free products too which will be funny.

"hey i just purchased here's my transaction id: 1MAB1GL13R1D1DNTP4Y"

"oh... but this products free!"

Tom Brite

P.S. Anyone notice anything lol?

I had a "you set the price" WSO last week. People could have paid as little as 1 cent and received the WSO (and some in fact did), but I still had people asking for review copies :confused:

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Glenn Leader

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Some time ago WSO sellers would TELL people to "post your transaction details and I'll send you the link". They did it only to get more posts which bumped their threads to the top and because having more "responses" made their thread look more important.

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There is one WSO poster who implies that
his WSO's are rather popular based on the
number of replies. When I double checked
what he was saying, I discovered that the
huge majority of replies were people being
encouraged to post their PP transaction
ID's, and his replies to them. I decided on
that day to never buy this guys products.
If he can misrepresent the truth about his
popularity, what else can be
misrepresented?

Glenn

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zapseo

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Some time ago WSO sellers would TELL people to "post your transaction details and I'll send you the link". They did it only to get more posts which bumped their threads to the top and because having more "responses" made their thread look more important.

Allen changed it so that WSO threads can't be bumped with every post made.

But many of those old threads can still be seen and others think they "should post" their details so the useless tactic just keeps going.

kay

Boy, Kay...are you dating yourself, or what?
Next, you'll be telling us a time when you didn't have to pay $20 to post a WSO.

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15 years ago

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bhopkins

15 years ago

This is interesting as someone who does not offer many WSO's I think I've done two in my entire time in the WF, I never thought of this.

I'll plus one on the eJunkie or Allen's WarriorPro( I think it does the same as ejunkie). I used it for my last WSO and its great to not have to worry about the backend. To pay them is well worth the cost and will make your life easier.

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desmond11

15 years ago

I haven't run a WSO yet, but I'll definately be automating the download process when the time comes. It'll eliminate this problem leaving you time tend to your business!

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Chris Parker

15 years ago

WOW, I cannot believe fellow Warriors would stoop down to that level and steal. That's ridiculous!

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Tom Brite

15 years ago

Originally Posted by secretjustin

I was actually wondering this the other day. If people were doing that. I see people posting transaction ids in the threads all the time, I don't know why they would do that in the first place. Fools. But anyway...

The WSO's here are dirt cheap and are extremely useful for most people. It's a shame there are people who go that far.

Maybe there should be some new protocol when selling. For example, perhaps some sort of warning to users when replying to WSO threads? I was thinking of a pop-up but would be irritating. Maybe some sort of RED LABEL just above the user input message box. " WARNING: Posting your transaction # or other personal ordering information is forbidden. Please contact the seller directly with your ordering or transaction # If you have comments or questions regarding such. K thanks."

Or even better just make it a rule that you have to send a PM or email the owner! and that you have to include an email address on your profile or whatever. If not you get an infraction and banned if you continue.

That will put a big stop to it all!

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

There is one WSO poster who implies that
his WSO's are rather popular based on the
number of replies. When I double checked
what he was saying, I discovered that the
huge majority of replies were people being
encouraged to post their PP transaction
ID's, and his replies to them. I decided on
that day to never buy this guys products.
If he can misrepresent the truth about his
popularity, what else can be
misrepresented?

Glenn

Glenn your right there!

For me and im sure many other warriors it actually makes us not buy it and turn away, i hate having to open a support ticket or contact the owner of a product i purchased and then having to wait for the actual download.

Try and avoid that seller next time too, even worse is when they are online and don't reply to you probably hoping you will post in their thread and 'bump' it up.

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

They're not real Warriors - they're parasites that will never understand or achieve the level of success real Warriors do.

Well Said!

I know Imran is a big believer too that anyone who gets a product for free actually doesn't 'profit' from it as much as someone who pay's for exactly the same thing.

Of course there are always people who do but the % is even smaller than if you buy it.

Oh well... enjoy being rich everyone else

Tom Brite

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Brite

Or even better just make it a rule that you have to send a PM or email the owner! and that you have to include an email address on your profile or whatever. If not you get an infraction and banned if you continue.

Some people may not have enough posts to send a PM, so eMail would be the only option for them. If you go that route, I would think it would need to be a requirement that sellers post contact details in their WSO. If it's hidden away in their profile, newbies may not be able to find it easily (or know to look there), so it'll just add to the frustration of anyone who legitimately purchased a WSO and had problems receiving it.

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Zachary R. Skinner

15 years ago

Thanks for the heads up!

I will definitely start checking those transaction ID's!

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zapseo

15 years ago

The ways people choose to deceive has been raised to an art form.

Sometimes I think there are some people in NLP community who are responsible.

If you haven't seen "Lie To Me" (US TV Series) -- check it out.

OTOH, if you truly want to see something frightening about the limits (or lack thereof) to persuasion -- get your hands on a copy of Derren Brown's "The Heist." Sometimes it shows up on video sites. You want to watch the whole thing...about 60 minutes, I think. The abbreviated versions don't do it justice.

For truly ethical persuasion, check out Robert Cialdini's Institute, forgot the name offhand.

Part of the problem, of course, is that what is lying to some is justified as righteous in the mind of the liar. Same with the stealing. "Those people are stealing from me because they are selling me crap."

I am in NO WAY justifying the thinking...just trying to help people understand how that thinking works.

And if you think the one or two pseudo-refunders are the problem, you have NO IDEA of the depth of the "marketplace" (term used very loosely) in illegally obtained WSOs. One of the surest way to make no money with your wso is to keep it from having any kind of download link protection.

It's one of the first things I ask my clients -- "What are you using for download protection for your product."

If they don't have it, it can drive "conversion rates" to zero.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by zapseo

The ways people choose to deceive has been raised to an art form.

Sometimes I think there are some people in NLP community who are responsible.

If you haven't seen "Lie To Me" (US TV Series) -- check it out.

OTOH, if you truly want to see something frightening about the limits (or lack thereof) to persuasion -- get your hands on a copy of Derren Brown's "The Heist." Sometimes it shows up on video sites. You want to watch the whole thing...about 60 minutes, I think. The abbreviated versions don't do it justice.

For truly ethical persuasion, check out Robert Cialdini's Institute, forgot the name offhand.

Part of the problem, of course, is that what is lying to some is justified as righteous in the mind of the liar. Same with the stealing. "Those people are stealing from me because they are selling me crap."

I am in NO WAY justifying the thinking...just trying to help people understand how that thinking works.

And if you think the one or two pseudo-refunders are the problem, you have NO IDEA of the depth of the "marketplace" (term used very loosely) in illegally obtained WSOs. One of the surest way to make no money with your wso is to keep it from having any kind of download link protection.

It's one of the first things I ask my clients -- "What are you using for download protection for your product."

If they don't have it, it can drive "conversion rates" to zero.

The recent stats say 15% of the US population are certifiable sociopaths.

(This number is now triple what is was 10 years ago, there is some way we are raising our young that is causing this anomaly to grow exponentially. Or maybe it is TV, not sure and though studies have been done on TV's increase of ADHD & ADD, no studies have YET linked TV content with the rise in sociopaths as a percentage of population.)

Sociopaths have no conscience and no regret over saying or acting in any inappropriate manner, such as stealing or lying. They are immune to feelings of regret entirely. So it is not surprising this goes on (to me) and though one would like to think the Warrior Forum members were a cut above, with the price of admittance only $10, that is an unlikely scenario.

(Yes, I know what 'they' say about stats, but it is true... look it up. And yes I am also aware 15% of the people that read this will be sociopaths.

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Josiah

15 years ago

Happened to me twice in the past few days...

First time I fell for it...

But Imran Naseem warned me about it (thanks buddy!)

it's low, yes but it's our job to do the due diligence!

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warrior2008

15 years ago

Yes, I had two from Korea 6 months ago. They B*tched and Moaned about "NO" value in my $4.95 44+ products and then I saw what they were doing. % bucks here, $10 bucks there. I called them on the 'Purchase Transaction ID' over and over but they disappeared... and quickly after I could not verify it. One sent me his but NOPE... he was scamming!

Why we are on the subject. Anyone having trouble on the WSO forum moving down like lightning? I moved 2/3 down the forum in 2 hours from the time I sent in my $20. Over 1/3 down in like 40 minutes. Am I seeing things or is this just where the cards fell? Are some mods approving tons of offers too fast there? Please let me know what has changed, if anything.

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Tom Brite

15 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior2008

Why we are on the subject. Anyone having trouble on the WSO forum moving down like lightning? I moved 2/3 down the forum in 2 hours from the time I sent in my $20. Over 1/3 down in like 40 minutes. Am I seeing things or is this just where the cards fell? Are some mods approving tons of offers too fast there? Please let me know what has changed, if anything.

Well since the new system has come in it seems both the number of wso's and the number of times people bump their wso has increased a hell of alot!

Ok there are more people looking at the wso section than ever but now the 'trick' is to create a succesful wso and then get allen to partner with you for maximum exposure and profit.

I remember however about 6 to 8 months ago the wso was fast moving so im wondering if its because we had another influx of a few wso's teaching others how to make wso's and the ebook creation services are on the rise again too.

Bad for wso sellers really but then if you have a good product then the $20 fee should be nothing unless your wso is free (but then surely you profit from the list creation).

Now regarding wso approval times and them being done in batch order moderation im not too sure but i submitted my wso for approval about an hour ago and am still waiting for the payment pm so i can take it live so hoping it will be soon.

But then again also maybe you are just submitting your wso or bumping it at the wrong times... there are more wso's and alot more longer wso's that are being re-bumped over and over but also there are times where the wso section is slower moving too.

Maybe someone who has released alot of new wso's recently can come in and answer the approval question for you.

Tom Brite

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

I went to page three in less than 24 hours . This being my first contribution to the WSO section I thought it was par for the course .

Originally Posted by warrior2008

Yes, I had two from Korea 6 months ago. They B*tched and Moaned about "NO" value in my $4.95 44+ products and then I saw what they were doing. % bucks here, $10 bucks there. I called them on the 'Purchase Transaction ID' over and over but they disappeared... and quickly after I could not verify it. One sent me his but NOPE... he was scamming!

Why we are on the subject. Anyone having trouble on the WSO forum moving down like lightning? I moved 2/3 down the forum in 2 hours from the time I sent in my $20. Over 1/3 down in like 40 minutes. Am I seeing things or is this just where the cards fell? Are some mods approving tons of offers too fast there? Please let me know what has changed, if anything.

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Warrior2008

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Kay King 15 years ago

pay $20 to post a WSO

you're kidding! Really?

Oh wait - do you mean those days when a WSO actually stayed on the first page for more than an hour?

I think it's funny that people will resort to trying to "steal" a WSO - they probably work harder at that than we do at working!

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Glenn Leader

15 years ago

Originally Posted by warrior2008

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Why we are on the subject. Anyone having trouble on the WSO forum moving down like lightning? I moved 2/3 down the forum in 2 hours from the time I sent in my $20. Over 1/3 down in like 40 minutes. Am I seeing things or is this just where the cards fell? Are some mods approving tons of offers too fast there? Please let me know what has changed, if anything.

This is par for the course. One simple
rule change would help where only
one WSO per person in the top 3
pages would slow things down
quite a bit.

Glenn

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garyv 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

This is par for the course. One simple
rule change would help where only
one WSO per person in the top 3
pages would slow things down
quite a bit.

Glenn

It might also help to break the wso section up into more categories, if possible.
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

I get all my paypal transactions in my main email so I know if a order was done or not. There is at times (very rare) that paypal may not send an email but for the most part I get all mine and they are filled in the proper folders.

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John Atkins

15 years ago

Yeah, it happens to me a lot. There were about 10 clowns
recently that contacted me because their download link was not
delivered.

I told them to provide me with the e-mail that they paid me with
of course, so that I can send it there (after I check on paypal that
I did recieve a payment from that e-mail).

Instead of sending me the e-mail address, they sent me some
"made up" transaction details.

Of course, I won't fall for that. Only an idiot would.

Anyway, keep them coming mates!

You're keeping me entertained!

Cheers,
Johnny

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Josiah

15 years ago

Does someone have the link for WarriorPro please?

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KRA-12

15 years ago

So does e-junkie.com allow you to direct deposit to a personal pay pal account? How Fast?

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Kay King 15 years ago

Does someone have the link for WarriorPro please?

Warriorpro.com - who would have thunk it?
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  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Warriorpro.com - who would have thunk it?
  
  I completely agree - Warriorpro is definitely a suitable solution to prevent this type of thing from happening.
  
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HeySal

14 years ago

You need to check for the name the buyer bought under, too -- I had a sale and my download link wasn't working. One person bought then sent me a pm that he didn't get the link and gave me a po number. I couldn't find that po# anywhere - so told him the sale wasn't showing up. It turns out that HE DID purchase - his name and money were there......the po number was wrong. Not sure if the mistake was his or pay-pals, but if I hadn't checked it out further I would have ended up cheating someone out of a product. So it works both ways.

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Leron Ford

14 years ago

I don't post the transaction id. To me, it's easier to just forward the email that paypal sends you as your receipt. That eliminates all doubt in my opinion.

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Frank Murphy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Leron Ford

I don't post the transaction id. To me, it's easier to just forward the email that paypal sends you as your receipt. That eliminates all doubt in my opinion.

Yes, that is a great idea and a constructive way to curb this kind of behaviour. Forwarding the entire transaction email definitely eliminates any doubts of purchase fraud.
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DAS_Matt

14 years ago

Please expose anyone who does this to you.

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