No more PLR in the WSO Market Place

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hi all...

so as you know I'm working towards a re-launch of a curated marketplace when we clean some of the products and we bring back top quality products

in a few words: We will push UP the good stuff
we will push down the lower stuff

So here is an update that some will love and some of you will hate and ... I'm okay with that.
I'm a big boy so you can "blame me"

I'm afraid that we will not accept more PLR products as a product for sale on the Main marketplace...

PLR will go to the Underground (Old Classified Ads) and they can be sold there without being promoted on the main market place.

PLR products are part of those products where the veracity of "who owns the rights" to sell, reseller, use, etc... it's a nightmare.

I personally believe PLR used to have a vital part of the Internet Marketing industry.... 8... 10 years ago.

I understand many of you love them, but they will not be allowed as a sale product or bonus product.

Thanks again and I will keep you updated with the latest news.
#market #place #plr #wso
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Good call man.

    I hope this means higher quality products instead of multiple WSO's that all teach the same worn out material.

    Allen wouldn't allow PLR in their either. Glad this rule has been restored.

    ...But the real question is! When can we start running free WSO's again?!?!?
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      Originally Posted by Michael Meaney View Post

      Good call man.

      I hope this means higher quality products instead of multiple WSO's that all teach the same worn out material.

      Allen wouldn't allow PLR in their either. Glad this rule has been restored.

      ...But the real question is! When can we start running free WSO's again?!?!?
      I'm considering accepting FREE WSO from

      1) verified users
      2) members with high participation
      3) WSO that have been tested by "us" first
      4) no direct upsell after signup.

      I will let you know
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Have you considered relegating these to the War Room, rather than to the WSO forum?

        Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

        I'm considering accepting FREE WSO from

        1) verified users
        2) members with high participation
        3) WSO that have been tested by "us" first
        4) no direct upsell after signup.

        I will let you know
        Just off the top of my head, I think these might create a value add for the War Room members as well as for the list builder.
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Have you considered relegating these to the War Room, rather than to the WSO forum?
          Just off the top of my head, I think these might create a value add for the War Room members as well as for the list builder.
          The risk would be a flooding of the War Room with poor quality reports just created to capture emails. That's one reason those were stopped in the early days of the WR.

          If someone wants to build a list using a free product, it's reasonable to ask them to pay for an ad. You might still get poor quality, but at least the product creator has some financial incentive to produce a good product.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            The risk would be a flooding of the War Room with poor quality reports just created to capture emails. That's one reason those were stopped in the early days of the WR.

            If someone wants to build a list using a free product, it's reasonable to ask them to pay for an ad. You might still get poor quality, but at least the product creator has some financial incentive to produce a good product.
            Good points, Frank.

            My primary concern was seeing those "poor quality reports" suddenly flooding the WSO section, dragging the quality of that marketplace down to new lows. Perhaps the listing fee for a FREE WSO should be double the normal WSO fee.
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    How do we find WSO by category? Like: affiliate marketing, socialmedia marketing, video marketing, cpa, traffic generation, media buying, software creation, mobile apps, etc... Is there a way to separate WSO's by specific genre?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Good suggestion, but...

      Originally Posted by superowid View Post

      How do we find WSO by category? Like: affiliate marketing, socialmedia marketing, video marketing, cpa, traffic generation, media buying, software creation, mobile apps, etc... Is there a way to separate WSO's by specific genre?
      if you want it to receive serious attention you should probably make the request here:
      https://www.warriorforum.com/suggestion-forum/
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      Originally Posted by superowid View Post

      How do we find WSO by category? Like: affiliate marketing, socialmedia marketing, video marketing, cpa, traffic generation, media buying, software creation, mobile apps, etc... Is there a way to separate WSO's by specific genre?

      https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...egories/ebook/

      Right now we support 11 categories of WSOs,
      Ebooks
      Courses
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      Coaching
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      and are looking to add more in the future. You can access these by clicking on the navigation pills on the WSO page
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Gabe,

    Please clarify.

    Are you saying that PLR, even though it has been largely modified and re-written, can't be a WSO product, a portion of a product, a chapter in an ebook, or some other source of information for some part of a WSO?

    Or are you just saying that a PLR product as it was purchased originally from a vendor can't be sold as a WSO or used as a bonus?

    Thank you.

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      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Gabe,

      Please clarify.

      Are you saying that PLR, even though it has been largely modified and re-written, can't be a WSO product, a portion of a product, a chapter in an ebook, or some other source of information for some part of a WSO?

      Or are you just saying that a PLR product as it was purchased originally from a vendor can't be sold as a WSO or used as a bonus?

      Thank you.

      Steve
      NO PLR product can be sold in the main marketplace.
      No.
      Your post will go to the underground section
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

        NO PLR product can be sold in the main marketplace.
        No.
        Your post will go to the underground section
        You're still not being clear LOL

        1. You are talking about a product that someone buys the Rights to and then tries to sell it as their own at WSO ??

        2. That No.1 is correct but additionally on top of this you cannot produce your OWN unique, original Product to Market and Sell at WSO section.And this original product happens to be a Product that others can purchase at WSO section and then own the rights to, edit, remarket this product as their own at other places

        Number 1 and 2 are distinctly different. Sorry, if I making this harder than it is
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          1. Any product that is re-sold as a PLR product . You bought PLR A and you want to resell it.

          2. You create a product and you want to sell the PRL license in the marketplace

          In both cases they will go the classifieds - underground
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
            Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

            1. Any product that is re-sold as a PLR product . You bought PLR A and you want to resell it.

            2. You create a product and you want to sell the PRL license in the marketplace

            In both cases they will go the classifieds - underground
            By default, most/all WP plugins and themes are licensed according to the GPL (or should be) and so basically they are PLR. So, themes and plugins would be underground?

            Mark
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              Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

              By default, most/all WP plugins and themes are licensed according to the GPL (or should be) and so basically they are PLR. So, themes and plugins would be underground?

              Mark
              This is focused on the conventional PLR content products
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              • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
                Gabe,

                I think your response here could use some clarification...

                Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

                By default, most/all WP plugins and themes are licensed according to the GPL (or should be) and so basically they are PLR. So, themes and plugins would be underground?

                Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

                This is focused on the conventional PLR content products
                It seems that you are saying that WP plugins/themes are exempt from the PLR requirement - even though the GPL license (to which they are all subject) is, in fact, a PLR license.
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                • Profile picture of the author rodonet
                  Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                  Gabe,

                  I think your response here could use some clarification...



                  It seems that you are saying that WP plugins/themes are exempt from the PLR requirement - even though the GPL license (to which they are all subject) is, in fact, a PLR license.
                  Brother makes a good point.
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          • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
            Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

            I'm considering accepting FREE WSO from

            1) verified users
            2) members with high participation
            3) WSO that have been tested by "us" first
            4) no direct upsell after signup.

            I will let you know
            Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

            1. Any product that is re-sold as a PLR product . You bought PLR A and you want to resell it.

            2. You create a product and you want to sell the PRL license in the marketplace

            In both cases they will go the classifieds - underground
            Hi Gabriel.
            Just a little confused here:
            https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...d-traffic.html
            ^^ I especially love that they're promoting sales funnels for WF competition..

            This WSO offers PLR.. "slap your name on it!" and is basically structured as MLM, cleverly disguised as a membership site. So, videos as PLR?

            One another note. I totally get the fact that you don't wanna, aren't interested in, ain't gonna happen, on PLR. However, as nice as it is that you provided a section in which it can still be marketed.... calling it the 'underground'? Really? Why not the "The Abyss of Sh!t"? At least it rhymes.

            Again, I understand the problem and I agree with the solution, to an extent. You stated above that (me, being a PLR seller from original content..written by me, my two little hands... ), can just go elsewhere. OR, better yet, we can try and promote our hard work, here, in something called the 'underground'.

            I say we change the SEO section to say "Sh!t Everyone Offers!". (It could be "Stuffs Everyone Offers!) ..

            Sorry, must be the Latino in me... and not enough coffee.

            I love the fact you and others are working hard on cleaning this place up, and on a serious note, it's looking much, much better.. thanks for that!

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  • Profile picture of the author hbeezy
    Gabriel...

    In addition to Steve's question, are you also saying that PLR that was created originally (meaning not rewritten from old articles or other plr content or content in general, etc.) cannot be sold in the wso forum?
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      Originally Posted by hbeezy View Post

      Gabriel...

      In addition to Steve's question, are you also saying that PLR that was created originally (meaning not rewritten from old articles or other plr content or content in general, etc.) cannot be sold in the wso forum?
      not in the main marketplace . No
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Or free WSO's could have their own sub-section with a disclaimer that free WSOs are offered for list building purposes - no direct upsells allowed - no PLR permitted. If members sign up for free WSO's they need to be warned they are signing up for a mailing list. Strangely, some just don't 'get it'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Gabe and everyone,

    I would like to offer a view contrary to most of those who have spoken up about the evils of PLR in WSOs. Understand that I have no dog in this fight, no ax to grind, have never sold a PLR WSO or, in fact, any WSO.

    I think it's very unfortunate that reputable and honest PLR sellers of quality products are being "broad brushed" and lumped in with the sketchy low quality PLR sellers that I think this new "ban" is aimed at. I know there is high quality and useful PLR being sold - I have been the beneficiary of some of it from marketers whose reputations are at the top of the IM industry.

    I see a trend developing here that I think deserves some mention. Let's call it "amputation."

    First, it was the Classified Ads. There were problems. We don't have the time or manpower to do surgery to fix the problems by removing the bad and leaving the good. So let's just cut it all off. Amputate it, put it in the basement (the underground), and not promote it any more.

    Now, it is PLR. There are problems. We don't have the time or manpower to do surgery to fix the problems with PLR sellers by removing the bad from the good. So let's just cut it all off. Amputate it, put it in the underground, and not promote it any more.

    What will be next? The War Room? Probably not because it's focus isn't really sales.

    May I suggest we amputate MMOs next? Don't most of the problems in the WSO section come from people making offers related to how to make money online? I just reviewed the first two pages in the WSO section and the great majority are directly or closely related to topics that claim to make you money.

    Of course, banning MMOs will never happen - it's the life blood of the WF. It's what IM is all about! But IMO, here's the inconvenient truth: MMOs are more of a source of problems for sellers and buyers than PLR ever was.

    Which brings me to the crux of what I want to voice: IMO, the real problem here is sketchy and garbage selling WF members, not the platforms within the WF (like the classifieds) or the sources of origin (PLR) where a product might have begun.

    There is nothing inherently "bad" or wrong with classified ads or PLR.

    They are simply marketing strategies that sellers have abused. Just like many sellers have abused MMOs, affiliate marketing, and every other online sales method invented.

    The problems that the IM industry faces are not peculiar to this forum . . . they are problems that give IM a bad reputation (dare I say "sleazy"?) and they are people problems much more so than strategy problems.

    I know efforts have been made at the WF to better "vet" sellers and I think that is the best way to assure that quality products are offered and the rules of the forum are kept. Go after the sellers, not their platforms and strategies.

    Classified Ad and PLR sellers and their products could be vetted. The WF admins have already started the process with their verification initiative; and in fact, Gabe, you seem to be offering that same option in your post about now considering "free WSOs":

    "I'm considering accepting FREE WSO from: 1) verified users 2) members with high participation 3) WSO that have been tested by 'us' first 4) no direct upsell after signup."

    I understand it will take some time and maybe some new or additional vetting procedures, but I believe it can be done effectively as a means of increasing the quality of the products in this forum. I know it is a huge task, made larger by the fact that this hasn't been done much in the past.

    But to me, relegating legitimate products and sellers to what is being designated as "the underground" as you have called it (where "we will push down the lower stuff") unfairly characterizes all PLR and classified ad products and sellers as being something less than legitimate. Put yourself in the shoes of a Warrior that makes his/her living from PLR - how would you feel about this generalization of all PLR sellers and banishment to the underground?

    Two days ago you laid out a personal post about your goals for the forum:

    Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

    In 2018... I want sellers to be aware that the honesty and integrity in the Market Place it's my main priority. My priority: As the head of Warrior Forum.

    My priority is to help the good sellers grow by rewarding them with more exposure (more about in future announcements) and by weeding the low offers that affect the overall view of the marketplace....

    And by protecting the sellers and give them the sense of security that their experience here, it's actually our main priority.
    To me at least, these goals are all about attracting and helping quality sellers, regardless of their strategies, which should have the long term effect of happier buyers and fewer complaints. IMO, that is done by using a scalpel and removing the offenders regardless of their IM strategies.

    Every seller and every strategy can be good or bad, quality or not, helpful or useless. It's the dodgy sellers that are the root of the problems here . . . and with IM in general. IMO, amputation is not the answer.

    Thank you for letting me have my say - this is what prompted it:

    Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

    I truly believe the only way to start this process it's to be accountable of our goals.
    Without malice or personal criticism,

    Steve
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      No
      I think you are focusing this in the wrong way

      We are not "labeling" anything as "the problem"

      We are literally determining and defining what WE WANT TO SELL and what we DO NOT WANT TO SELL

      Who said PLR it's evil?
      You are putting too much drama on this

      PLR it's great. Not just in the market place

      Think for this as a Restaurant.
      We have the 100% freedom to determine what we sell, what we buy, who we serve, who we hire and if we want to change the menu to vegetarian one day... we can do it

      I disagree that every seller can be good or bad.
      If I want to have a Michel Restaurant here, I'm not going to accept that you sell hotdogs.

      hey! your hotdog can be delicious... but doens't fit our restaurant.

      So this is not about "we are blaming" this is that we want to be selective.

      if you are a PLR seller and you believe we are unfair, I'm sure the marketplace is dying to buy PLR somewhere... but not in our main marketplace.

      This is a free economy and you can decide to use our services in our terms, or not.

      Like Ebay, Amazon, Kickstarters, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

        you are focusing this in the wrong way . . . We are not "labeling" anything as "the problem" . . . Who said PLR it's evil? . . . You are putting too much drama on this . . . we want to be selective . . . you can decide to use our services in our terms, or not.

        Gabe,

        Apparently my contrary opinion given in honest and good faith and without an agenda struck a nerve.

        You seem to be pretty defensive about what I posted but I can assure you my intent was not to re-focus anything, add drama to this discussion as you claim, or change anything you are trying to accomplish.

        In fact, your post in response to mine didn't even address the main point of my message:

        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Which brings me to the crux of what I want to voice: IMO, the real problem here is sketchy and garbage selling WF members, not the platforms within the WF (like the classifieds) or the sources of origin (PLR) where a product might have begun.
        I went on to congratulate you on your verification program and suggest that maybe vetting PLR sellers and classified ad sponsors with new criteria was a better way to assure high quality products.

        No one, including me, is challenging your right to sell the kind of products that you want. We all know this is a private business and the golden rule* is in effect. Additionally, we understand that PLR is already not allowed as a WSO - and if there is PLR being sold - that's another issue in itself.

        I think expressing views different from admins can be very constructive when it is not taken defensively as criticism but rather as a look at an issue through another set of eyes. Isn't that what forums are about - giving one's opinion without malice even if it's different from most others?

        Steve

        *Golden rule: he who has the gold rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I agree 100% with what Steve said.

    Let me share an example of someone that is trusted, widely liked, a Warrior member, and seemingly one of the most honest (quickly refunds, etc.) marketers out there: Dennis Becker.

    I read everything he sends out to his list. I've bought a bunch of his materials. I've always been happy. And, he mostly uses PLR put out by other reputable marketers. Yes, he adds value but sometimes it's just putting a bunch of PLR together into an affordable package.

    I've never heard anything bad about the guy and would question anyone that claimed to have been ripped off or anything like that.

    Why would you ban him from your marketplace?

    Several of us have given multiple possible solutions for the problems. We've offered to do reviews - a real vetting of the offers. And other solutions that have been ignored or not put into place. Why not try some of the suggestions people have made?

    Another thing to look at is by cutting out income claims, painting people with a negative black brush that have paid bump fees here for years in the classified section, and now cutting off PLR we have to ask ourselves - who is left? And how are you going to prove something isn't PLR? Who is going to look at it? Don't promise to cut it off if we can't do it.

    And it can only be done by reviewing/vetting the offers, seeing the products, having access to the thank you pages, etc. like Clickbank does. And if you did that, you could keep the good PLR and get rid of the real trouble offers.

    I know it's tough and you have a lot of competing interests you have to keep in mind - corporate, vendors, buyers, and regular users. But I don't see how this is going to change anything.

    The last thing to keep in mind is that PLR is already forbidden in the WSO section by the rules. Why aren't the rules being enforced? Why is this an issue now? Is the problem with the rules or the offers or PLR?

    Mark
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      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      I agree 100% with what Steve said.

      Let me share an example of someone that is trusted, widely liked, a Warrior member, and seemingly one of the most honest (quickly refunds, etc.) marketers out there: Dennis Becker.

      I read everything he sends out to his list. I've bought a bunch of his materials. I've always been happy. And, he mostly uses PLR put out by other reputable marketers. Yes, he adds value but sometimes it's just putting a bunch of PLR together into an affordable package.

      I've never heard anything bad about the guy and would question anyone that claimed to have been ripped off or anything like that.

      Why would you ban him from your marketplace?

      Several of us have given multiple possible solutions for the problems. We've offered to do reviews - a real vetting of the offers. And other solutions that have been ignored or not put into place. Why not try some of the suggestions people have made?

      Another thing to look at is by cutting out income claims, painting people with a negative black brush that have paid bump fees here for years in the classified section, and now cutting off PLR we have to ask ourselves - who is left? And how are you going to prove something isn't PLR? Who is going to look at it? Don't promise to cut it off if we can't do it.

      And it can only be done by reviewing/vetting the offers, seeing the products, having access to the thank you pages, etc. like Clickbank does. And if you did that, you could keep the good PLR and get rid of the real trouble offers.

      I know it's tough and you have a lot of competing interests you have to keep in mind - corporate, vendors, buyers, and regular users. But I don't see how this is going to change anything.

      The last thing to keep in mind is that PLR is already forbidden in the WSO section by the rules. Why aren't the rules being enforced? Why is this an issue now? Is the problem with the rules or the offers or PLR?

      Mark
      I love how you frame this in the wrong way Mark
      "Why would you ban him from your marketplace?"

      Who is banning him?
      We have the right to chose what we want to accept or not.

      "He" is not banned.
      If he wants to sell PLR content he can sell it but not in the marketplace


      you ask me :
      Why

      And the reason is PLR products fall into a legal hole that can't be defined properly.
      We don't believe PRL don't provide enough value to be on our homepage.

      You don't have to agree with me.... that is the beautify of this marketplace.

      As a marketer you have the gift of marketing and I believe 100% if your PLR product it's awesome you don't need us.... you will find an audience regardless.

      But I stand by my decision. I want to bring better sellers and I don't want the top new product to be sharing space with PRL products.
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      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post


      Another thing to look at is by cutting out income claims, painting people with a negative black brush that have paid bump fees here for years in the classified section, and now cutting off PLR we have to ask ourselves - who is left? And how are you going to prove something isn't PLR? Who is going to look at it? Don't promise to cut it off if we can't do it.

      .
      Are you aware I never said PLR is not allowed 100%?

      Just not in the main marketplace

      You can literally use it in the underground (old Classified section)

      I don't see the big drama to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Gabriel, you should know by now that some of us have your back and will do everything we can to support you once your final decision has been made.

    But, until then, some of us share our opinions or different viewpoints. Not to rile you up, disrespect you, or anything else but just sharing opinions.

    But I stand by my decision. I want to bring better sellers and I don't want the top new product to be sharing space with PRL products.
    So it's settled.

    Now let's go on to the other messes.

    Mark
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      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Gabriel, you should know by now that some of us have your back and will do everything we can to support you once your final decision has been made.

      But, until then, some of us share our opinions or different viewpoints. Not to rile you up, disrespect you, or anything else but just sharing opinions.

      So it's settled.

      Now let's go on to the other messes.

      Mark

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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    What if somebody created an original product and wanted to sell PLR rights to the product?

    In other words, this is NOT a PLR product that somebody bought and "cleaned up."

    It's a product somebody created for the sole purpose of selling it with PLR.

    These are monstrous sellers on JVZoo and Warrior Plus, and they are usually high quality, ORIGINAL products.

    So, the product itself is NOT PLR. The person just wants to sell a PLR LICENSE for the product. There are loads of products out there that offer a PLR license as an upsell. If you cut these types of products out of your marketplace, you are limiting yourself even more and scaring off a huge percentage of product creators.

    What's the verdict on that?

    I hardly think it's smart to push even more vendors away.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      What if somebody created an original product and wanted to sell PLR rights to the product?

      In other words, this is NOT a PLR product that somebody bought and "cleaned up."

      It's a product somebody created for the sole purpose of selling it with PLR.

      These are monstrous sellers on JVZoo and Warrior Plus, and they are usually high quality, ORIGINAL products.

      So, the product itself is NOT PLR. The person just wants to sell a PLR LICENSE for the product. There are loads of products out there that offer a PLR license as an upsell. If you cut these types of products out of your marketplace, you are limiting yourself even more and scaring off a huge percentage of product creators.

      What's the verdict on that?

      I hardly think it's smart to push even more vendors away.
      So I guess the answer to this is no?
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        So I guess the answer to this is no?
        Yep Chris, unfortunately the answer is No (I asked in post #24 and he answered in #30)
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    The question I have on the list is this...wouldn't most of the ebooks and coaching offers fit into the 'sections'? Are we moving away from "MMO" in that WSO section? "Templates" and "design" would seem to fit together. Does 'lead generation' include 'getting traffic'? Just wondering if a few broader 'categories' might be better to start with - adding more 'sections' once we see where they are needed. I'm sure it will become clear as it's sorted out...right?

    Change is always bumpy but I don't get the arguments about PLR - every ad venue I've used online and off had restrictions on what could be advertised.
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    Let's say for example someone purchases the private label rights to an information product, then creates a new product from it, i.e. changes the name, graphics, sales video and changes some of and adds to the content and turns that product into a live video product and sells it without rights as a WSO with some other rebranded content as bonuses. Is this accepted? If not, how can this be policed?
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      Originally Posted by James_Harkin View Post

      Let's say for example someone purchases the private label rights to an information product, then creates a new product from it, i.e. changes the name, graphics, sales video and changes some of and adds to the content and turns that product into a live video product and sells it without rights as a WSO with some other rebranded content as bonuses. Is this accepted? If not, how can this be policed?
      Very difficult to control from our side unless we get alert by someone I'm afraid.

      Do you have suggestions?
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    A few do offer plr as bonuses to supplement the initial offer (which can be a original product).
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    *Golden rule: he who has the gold rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave d
    Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

    I'm considering accepting FREE WSO from

    1) verified users
    2) members with high participation
    3) WSO that have been tested by "us" first
    4) no direct upsell after signup.

    I will let you know
    Gabriel I understand and appreciate your efforts to clean house, this can only be of benefit to all legitimate sellers and buyers.

    You mentioned verified sellers, however at present there is no system for becoming verified.

    I really believe a there needs to be a level playing field for all sellers and not just the elite few having an edge over other sellers.
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      Originally Posted by Dave d View Post

      Gabriel I understand and appreciate your efforts to clean house, this can only be of benefit to all legitimate sellers and buyers.

      You mentioned verified sellers, however at present there is no system for becoming verified.

      I really believe a there needs to be a level playing field for all sellers and not just the elite few having an edge over other sellers.
      That is a very fair point.
      We need to find a way to sellers to submit a verification request Dave.
      We are working on it
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Don't really understand what the fuss is about. One of the more understandable positions. Sometimes you just have to abandon a niche because too much scuzzy stuff goes on it

    That doesn't make a claim that all of it is scuzzy.

    Besides I see a time not so future where the underground might be more popular than above land..brace your selves
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    unless we get alert by someone I'm afraid.
    Gabriel - Those 'enhanced PLR sold as WSO' are not that hard to catch.

    Until recently - it seemed the reports of 'problem WSOs', even when documented, often went nowhere. I think the system in place now will make it difficult for a seller to 'game' the WSO system - and provide real consequences for those who try.

    Clear rules, consistent enforcement and consequences - will go a long way to cleaning up the WSO aisle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Clear rules, consistent enforcement and consequences - will go a long way to cleaning up the WSO aisle.

      Excellent suggestion; but not just for the WSO section. The entire forum could use all three - rules, enforcement, and consequences. No doubt the WF admins are tackling these issues right now and it seems that the rules will be first.


      Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

      **** I'm publishing the new rules of the Market Place this week, easier to understand, less things to read and a more streamline process ****

      Gabe posted that on Sunday (1/21) and the Market Place includes WSOs, Classifieds (the underground), Warriors for Hire, Other Website Products and Services, Wanted - Members looking to hire you, Web Hosting, and Affiliate Programs.

      I am anxious to see the new rules for all these sections of the WF. At the same time, new rules mean little if they are not enforced. Of course, the admins know that so we should see more attention paid to support of the rules now in place.

      Kudos for all the staff for making these changes!

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Gabe:

    Say I sell a product called "Selling Widgets to Dummies". It's 100% my creation. Can I offer PLR rights as an upsell offer? Can the plr offer be in my WSO post? Can it be on my thank you page?
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Gabriel,

    Good move, my opinion... for the same reasons you have.

    Brent, I always thought you needed gold to buy the biggest gun.

    Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

    I always thought it was the guy with the biggest gun.

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    Gabe, finally, I'm not confused no more. Thanks,

    Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

    1. Any product that is re-sold as a PLR product . You bought PLR A and you want to resell it.

    2. You create a product and you want to sell the PRL license in the marketplace

    In both cases they will go the classifieds - underground
    To anyone who is willing to work hard: This is a great opportunity to start a PLR market place.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    I don't really have a dog in this fight, so this is just my take on the discussion...

    I remember when the various credit card processors forced Clickbank to crack down on the crap polluting some of its sections, and the moaning and groaning here because of it. A lot of people predicted the demise of CB because they were doing things to drive some vendors away.

    Last time I looked, both Clickbank and vendors of products the card processors deemed sketchy, risky or outright scams were both not only still around, but thriving. Just not together...
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    This is definitely a step in the right direction.

    Hopefully, it would go a long way in bringing back WF's old traffic volume.

    Much of that traffic is currently going to at least one other alternative platform.

    I'll always have a soft spot for WF though
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    Anyone have any experience selling products in the CLASSIFIEDS (UNDERGROUND) section? Sales volume difference compared to regular WSO section?
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      Anyone have any experience selling products in the CLASSIFIEDS (UNDERGROUND) section? Sales volume difference compared to regular WSO section?
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      Still the same Classifieds as before think they will change the subforum soon

      Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    What about resale and master resale rights.
    Say I create a piece of software and offer it with master resale rights, this is OK in the WSO section?

    If I want to sell the source code with PLR rights I have to sell in the classifieds?

    Is there a discount for having to list in 2 sections of the forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post

      What about resale and master resale rights.

      Valdor,

      I was wondering the same thing myself. Resale (RR) and master resale (MRR) rights are not the same thing as PLR.

      In addition, there are other types of licenses that allow an owner to sell a product he/she didn't create but without PLR, RR, or MRR.

      Given the fact that PLR is only one distinct type of license, it would seem wrong to me to lump every kind of sales license together. But as Gabe stated, he can choose to send anything to the underground that he wants.

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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post

      What about resale and master resale rights.
      Say I create a piece of software and offer it with master resale rights, this is OK in the WSO section?

      If I want to sell the source code with PLR rights I have to sell in the classifieds?

      Is there a discount for having to list in 2 sections of the forum?
      VK

      I think Gabe will write the same answer as he is only discussing PLR! nothing to do with any other rights

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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    I think most have valid opinions on the subject but it all really comes down to a simple fact, they WF Admins make the rules and no matter what everyone tries to find a loophole on what it PLR

    If the admins decide it is PLR to the underground it goes really nothing more to say ! It is what it is

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