Automatic list scrubbing in aweber? Possible?

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Aweber users:

I have a list of opt-ins. Many of those opt-ins go onto purchase my product and end up on my "customer list". I would like to eliminate these people from my "lead" list so they won't get promotions for a product they already bought. I know some of you may say "don't bother", but I really do have an important reason behind this request, so please help me if you can.

Does anyone know an easy way to compare an aweber subscriber list to a list of buyers (say of a clickbank product) and then remove the buyers from the aweber list?

Key point - these buyers are ALREADY on the "customer" list. I only want them on one list.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeLantz
    Chris,

    While I don't think there is a super easy way to remove these people from the list, there is an easy way support by aweber to make sure they don't get emails from you.

    If your "buyers" list is already in aweber, you simply need to "Exclude" them from any broadcast you do, which can be easily done when you setup the broadcast.

    If the list in not in aweber, you can import it and then do the above.

    In the future, you can setup an "subscribe action" to automatically remove new users who are placed on your "buyers" list from your "prospect" list.

    Hope this helps.

    Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
    I'd be interested to learn this too. I see there is an menu option (My Lists ==> Automation) in Aweber to automatically unsubscribe someone from one list when they join another but how do you set up your sales button for a product to double as an optin so this can happen.

    It looks like with an existing list, as Mike said, your only option is to exclude them from a broadcast or ask them to sign up to another list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spinethetic
    This is easy stuff really...

    Say you have two lists, for example one named "newsletter" and a list of customers named "cust-productname"

    First select the prospect list named "newsletter" for management from the little dropdown menu.



    On the main menu click to "My Lists" -> "Automation"



    You will see a little drop-down box that says "New Action", select the option "Unsubscribe from list newsletter when lead subscribes to"



    Then just select the "cust-productname" list and then "Save Automation Rules"

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Guys - this is AWESOME, thanks so much for the automation suggestion. That totally answers my question.

    As for the past list, I can simply hire someone to go through my leads list, cross reference to customers, and manually delete leads that have become customers.

    Then I have a clean list.

    Fantastic. Thanks a TON. You guys rock.
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  • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
    I have a couple additional questions on this...

    With Aweber, even though the "buyer" is already on a "prospect list", they have to optin again and/or confirm via email that they'd like to be on your "buyers list", correct?

    For example, I use Aweber and DLGuard for some products.

    Let's say a "prospect" subscriber becomes a "buyer".

    DLGuard allows you to auto-send that buyer on to a new "buyer's list" automatically with an email parser, BUT the buyer gets a confirmation email from Aweber and has to confirm again - even though that buyer is already on the prospect list (and even if the automation rule is set up)

    1. Does anyone know a way to move that buyer automatically from the prospects list to the buyers list WITHOUT a second optin/confirmation?

    2. If no, and you use this method, what do you write in the buyer's confirmation email that "explains" why they're being ask to optin again when they think "they're already on your list"?

    Hopefully that makes sense. lol

    Cheers
    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author rondo
      Originally Posted by SuiteJ View Post

      1. Does anyone know a way to move that buyer automatically from the prospects list to the buyers list WITHOUT a second optin/confirmation?

      2. If no, and you use this method, what do you write in the buyer's confirmation email that "explains" why they're being ask to optin again when they think "they're already on your list"?
      1. No
      2. "Click here to collect your bonus" works ok.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Pambos
      Originally Posted by SuiteJ View Post

      I have a couple additional questions on this...

      With Aweber, even though the "buyer" is already on a "prospect list", they have to optin again and/or confirm via email that they'd like to be on your "buyers list", correct?

      For example, I use Aweber and DLGuard for some products.

      Let's say a "prospect" subscriber becomes a "buyer".

      DLGuard allows you to auto-send that buyer on to a new "buyer's list" automatically with an email parser, BUT the buyer gets a confirmation email from Aweber and has to confirm again - even though that buyer is already on the prospect list (and even if the automation rule is set up)

      1. Does anyone know a way to move that buyer automatically from the prospects list to the buyers list WITHOUT a second optin/confirmation?

      2. If no, and you use this method, what do you write in the buyer's confirmation email that "explains" why they're being ask to optin again when they think "they're already on your list"?

      Hopefully that makes sense. lol

      Cheers
      Jay
      The only workaround to auto subscribing leads from one list to another without double opt-in is to use a different autoresponder such as Get Response or iContact.

      Unfortunately Aweber require double opt-in when using their email parser, I had this same issue when auto unsubscribing leads from my lead list and subscribing them to my customer list.

      I ended up creating an account with GetResponse as I can auto subscribe and unsubscribe using their email parser without double opt-in.

      I still use Aweber only for my lead lists as I need to use the send windows feature within Aweber.
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    There is a reason you don't see real online businesses using Aweber.

    Look at the companies that are where you want your online business to be. Use the tools they use.

    Do you see businesses with $10 million/year revenue using Aweber (yes; I know there is a rare exception... but do you see that routinely?) There is a reason for that.

    When Aweber went to their new pricing model, they were justifying the apparently large costs for doing business with medium and large sized lists. Their answer was that they have very few customers with medium and large lists.

    Their specialty is the small business owner (mostly one person companies) who have no IT staff and don't need or have the ability to take advantage of any enterprise level features.

    You can cobble together three or four third party packages (dlguard, 1sc, aweber, etc) to prototype and test the viability of an online business, but once you are a going concern, it is time to replace the starter packages with real ecommerce solutions.

    If you even look at the smaller seven figure IM guru types, you will notice very few using Aweber or GetResponse.

    There is a reason for that!
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    • Profile picture of the author xiaophil
      Originally Posted by KristiDaniels View Post

      Their specialty is the small business owner (mostly one person companies) who have no IT staff and don't need or have the ability to take advantage of any enterprise level features.

      You can cobble together three or four third party packages (dlguard, 1sc, aweber, etc) to prototype and test the viability of an online business, but once you are a going concern, it is time to replace the starter packages with real ecommerce solutions.
      Hi.

      What would you consider to be appropriate replacements for such "cobbled together" solutions?

      Could you perhaps discuss in a little more detail the enterprise level features you find desirable and the platforms which can provide them?

      Phil
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      There is a reason you don't see real online businesses using Aweber.
      Leaving aside the fallacious logic you present to support your claim, this is just a stupid comment to make.

      Yes, that's a rude thing for me to say. It has the benefit, however, of being demonstrably true.

      First, there's the definition of business, as opposed to "creating a replacement job." That's an interesting discussion, and one in which we'd probably largely agree, but it's irrelevant to what you said. You are suggesting that Aweber, and services like it, are not a valid component of whatever you define as a business.

      Suppose you have a lead generation system that brings in 2500 new potential customers per week. That's beyond what most people do, but it's not that hard. Let's say you've got a carefully tested sales process that turns 10% of those people into buyers, at a price point that generates $20 in net profit per sale. Significant, but not beyond what many people here can do, when dealing with targeted prospects.

      That's $5000 and 250 new cash-paying customers a week. Consider that, once you've got the sales process set up, you can delegate the traffic generation... Does that count as a business?

      Now, using the automation rules mentioned above, suppose you convert 10% of those customers to a sale that generates $90 per in net profit. That's another $2250 per week, along with 25 mid-ticket customers. Still handled by a single employee.

      $377,000 profit a year, from one employee's work, with a fairly straightforward process that can be duplicated. Which is to say, you can create more than one such system without any great expense or time involved. And it ignores the potential for multiple products at each price point, multiple funnels of prospects, etc.

      Does that qualify as a business?

      Given traditional offline business profit margins, how much would a retail operation or manufacturing enterprise have to sell, gross, to net that amount for the owner? Do those count as businesses, or are they also just "replacement jobs?"


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      • Profile picture of the author VideoCreator
        Totally love that analogy Paul. I was about to get offended at someone saying I don't have a 'real business'.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Ken,
          I was about to get offended at someone saying I don't have a 'real business'.
          Never let yourself be offended by stupid comments. Even when I make them.

          I personally find this sort of thing even less appropriate than being a grammar cop. How does anyone think they have any place defining or judging someone else's goals for them?


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  • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
    Originally Posted by KristiDaniels

    There is a reason you don't see real online businesses using Aweber.
    What do you consider a "real online business"? (that sounds a tad condescending, but I could have misinterpreted it)

    Is the site in your signature a real one?

    And what autoresponder service is it that you're using on that site? Can you share why you chose that one?

    Cheers!
    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Guys,

    I found a GREAT way to get my customers on the customer list with a very high success rate. In fact, it's virtually 100% successful because of my implementation and wording.

    My sig shows how I'm doing it ... but you don't need every detail if you are not a CB vendor.

    Here's what I do using Aweber and DLGuard:

    1) make the customer opt-in list single optin, not double. Easy in Aweber.

    2) Put a customer opt-in form at the TOP of your download page inside of an iFrame. Make it say "Important: Please do this now" ... (followed by some explanatory text). Make the explanation for opting in that you will send free updates, tips, unannounced bonus info, but ONLY for customers who submit now.

    3) CRITICALLY IMPORTANT! Pre-populate the Opt-in form FOR THE CUSTOMER. Do not make them have to even think about this, simply have it ready for them to "click".

    4) Make a simple "Thank You" HTML page that will show up WITHIN THE IFRAME after the customer submits the form. This means the download page does not change at all, only the contents of the iframe changes to say "Thank You. Please Download Your Product Now".

    (Note this is NOT a forced opt-in for download. The download shows up as per normal within the usual template you use. You are simply putting the iFrame with opt-in at the top)

    I put together a product for this because I needed it myself, and I use CB. You could easily take my code and use it yourself with or without CB ... but honestly if you know anything about HTML this is dead easy to do within DLGuard.
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    By "real", I just mean an actual business rather than an IMer trying replace a job. A site isn't a business so no... the site in my signature isn't a "real business" because it's not even a business.

    BTW, you don't follow directions very well; do you? My link says "Don't Click." Why did you click it to find out that there is a site at the other end of that link? You don't intend to learn anything from the answer to your question, so why did you ask it?

    But in case anyone really is interested in what a "real" business is...

    A real business is a legal person. It has an "Inc" or "Corp" or some other designator at the end of it's name that is required by the jurisdiction that created that legal person.

    The owners and officers of real businesses meet regularly in your area. Go to one of the networking meetings and ask them what "auto-responder" they use and watch the blank stares.

    I can't give you an example of a good "auto-responder" to use because real businesses don't use auto-responders! Auto-responder is a term made up by IMers and Aweber and GetResponse and all of the other "auto-responder" services came into existence to serve the made up IM market!

    Search for any term on Google where you know huge amounts of money are being made. Search for dating, forex, flowers, books, investing, stocks, real estate or anything else.

    You will find some real businesses near the top of the listings somewhere. You will know they are real businesses because they have "Inc" or "Corp" or "LLC" or something like that at the end of their name.

    Click on those links and find their email capture process. Do you see Aweber or GetResponse in the URL?

    Nope!

    Make contact with the majority stockholder. If that person lives is in your geographical area, you will probably find them at the local angel investor sponsored networking meeting. Every major city has them.

    Start a conversation and ask him what auto-responder his company uses. Note the blank stare. Note that after the blank stare comes the question "What's an auto-responder?"

    Your question is like asking "What kind of ice cream should you eat to help decrease your refund rate?" It's just alien to real businesses. It's made up IM and Warrior terminology masquerading as something to do with real business.

    Real businesses don't use auto-responders! They don't even know wha the term means!
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    • Profile picture of the author SuiteJ
      Originally Posted by KristiDaniels View Post

      By "real", I just mean an actual business rather than an IMer trying replace a job. A site isn't a business so no... the site in my signature isn't a "real business" because it's not even a business.

      BTW, you don't follow directions very well; do you? My link says "Don't Click." Why did you click it to find out that there is a site at the other end of that link?
      LOL. Oh, you actually didn't want me to click? I thought that just might be one of your real business marketing tactics. My apologies.

      Since you basically came in to this thread and claimed that anyone that uses Aweber doesn't have a 'real business', I was hoping to get a small glimpse of what your expertise has to offer. I couldn't help myself. I know better for next time.

      Originally Posted by KristiDaniels

      You don't intend to learn anything from the answer to your question, so why did you ask it?
      Where did you even vaguely answer my question in this thread?

      My question was how to specifically set something up within Aweber's automation tools.

      Part of your response was:

      Do you see businesses with $10 million/year revenue using Aweber (yes; I know there is a rare exception... but do you see that routinely?) There is a reason for that.
      (Awesome, thanks for the hot tip, but my question had nothing to do with what tools to use when my business is making 10mil a year)


      And then there was this gem:

      You can cobble together three or four third party packages (dlguard, 1sc, aweber, etc) to prototype and test the viability of an online business, but once you are a going concern, it is time to replace the starter packages with real ecommerce solutions.
      (Great, but the questions in this thread are specifically about technical set up of one of those "starter packages"...so can we get to that soon? lol )


      Topped off with this awesome tidbit:

      If you even look at the smaller seven figure IM guru types, you will notice very few using Aweber or GetResponse.
      (well, I'm much smaller than even the "smaller seven figure IM Guru", but making hundreds a day is cool with me, so can we move on to Aweber help now please?)


      Anyway...

      I won't comment on all the rest of that post you just wrote about real businesses, since it's so far off the original topic here it's not even funny. My fault for asking you what you consider a "real business", but I wasn't actually asking you to define the differences between an individual and a legal entity. lol


      The title of the thread is

      "Automatic list scrubbing in aweber? Possible?"

      -Not-

      "Can anyone tell us why real businesses don't use autoresponders?"


      However, I would like to express that I think the "IMers" on the Warrior Forum who are making a living and supporting their family with IM would consider what they do a real business, even if they are only (to quote you) "an IMer trying to replace a job".

      To many people, making mid-to-high 5 figures doing something they love on their own terms is not only a real business, but a dream.
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  • Profile picture of the author VideoCreator
    Perhaps I am missing something here but I don't see where the actual issue is addressed.

    For example, I have a list of 5,000 prospects who have opted in from my squeeze page.

    I promote an affiliate offer to them and make 200 sales through CB.

    At what point did those 200 people interact with my list or server AFTER the sale is made?

    In other words, as far as Aweber is concerned, the automation of John Doe being added to one list and removed from another is no problem, but with CB in the middle, how is the customer being added to the second list?
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  • Profile picture of the author VideoCreator
    I setup one of my membership sites to use the aMember parser and turned off the confirmed optin and it worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author allenjohn
    Hi - Not sure if this was answered:

    "but how do you set up your sales button for a product to double as an optin so this can happen."

    The simple way is to get your checkout software to send an email FROM the customer's email address to yourlistname@aweber.com.

    They will automatically get subscribed in the background.

    Hope this helps. Best regards Allen
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