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Hey y'all,

About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
Is this a sign to try something else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    How many hours per day - hours per week - did you work? Not counting time on youtube or forums or checking emails of reading WSO offers....how much time did you WORK on building sites, ads, building traffic, building a list, etc.?

    I've had several distractions along the way,
    Does that mean you took a day off....or a week off....or had a month when you did little? Only you know whether you put forth a consistent effort for 9 months...or not. I don't know - just asking questions.

    If you have a 9-5 JOB you have to show up whether you have distractions or not in your life. If you don't show up reliably and get the work done - you won't have the job for long. No one wants to hear it - but that same level of effort is needed when you work online, too. You need to be both a tough boss and a good employee when you work for yourself.

    As for the 'saying' - what was 'their' qualification for making the 6-month statement? Do you know?

    Only you know if and when it's time to 'quit'. Some people take a year or more to reach a level of success or profit online....others get there rather quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      How many hours per day - hours per week - did you work? Not counting time on youtube or forums or checking emails of reading WSO offers....how much time did you WORK on building sites, ads, building traffic, building a list, etc.?

      Does that mean you took a day off....or a week off....or had a month when you did little? Only you know whether you put forth a consistent effort for 9 months...or not. I don't know - just asking questions.

      If you have a 9-5 JOB you have to show up whether you have distractions or not in your life. If you don't show up reliably and get the work done - you won't have the job for long. No one wants to hear it - but that same level of effort is needed when you work online, too. You need to be both a tough boss and a good employee when you work for yourself.

      As for the 'saying' - what was 'their' qualification for making the 6-month statement? Do you know?

      Only you know if and when it's time to 'quit'. Some people take a year or more to reach a level of success or profit online....others get there rather quickly.
      Hi Kay King,

      Thanks for your reply!

      As far as time off goes, I spent my first two months working on this project full time(60+ hours per week), then took about 1.5 months off to find another 9-5 job and move to a new city. (needed money to buy traffic)

      Since starting the new job, I've been working part-time on this project about 20 hours per week. Some weeks I haven't worked on it at all, as the 9-5 demanded extra time.

      I have made progress, but not profitable yet. However, if i'm being honest, i probably haven't as efficient with my time.

      The purpose of the question was really to see if my progress is outlandishly slow. These answers definitely provide clarity.

      Thanks for helping!

      -FC
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
        Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

        Hi Kay King,

        Thanks for your reply!

        As far as time off goes, I spent my first two months working on this project full time(60+ hours per week), then took about 1.5 months off to find another 9-5 job and move to a new city. (needed money to buy traffic)

        Since starting the new job, I've been working part-time on this project about 20 hours per week. Some weeks I haven't worked on it at all, as the 9-5 demanded extra time.

        I have made progress, but not profitable yet. However, if i'm being honest, i probably haven't as efficient with my time.

        The purpose of the question was really to see if my progress is outlandishly slow. These answers definitely provide clarity.

        Thanks for helping!

        -FC
        Hi FC,

        What type of project are you working on that takes that much time to get going?

        What I would do is get in a market that has multiple products to promote and then get or have written a free report that you can give away in exchange for an email address.

        Have your autoresponder filled up with emails going out daily with a tip and a link to a product that can help solve their problem.

        Then use paid traffic to drive traffic to the funnel. Since you have a full time job, that is what I would do and put your profits back in and scale your business.

        That shouldn't take you anything close to 20 hrs to set up...and if you do it right, that can be a full time business right there if you scale and send out high converting emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Hey y'all,

    About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

    It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

    I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

    However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?
    6 Months, lol, thanks for the laugh.

    I have been online for just over 10 years, tried pretty much everything, and all signs are showing that l am on the right track and making a success of it overall.

    And l spent 2.5 years with my first website, and 7 months with PPC, etc, in other words each project takes the time it takes, and it takes what ever amount of time it takes to whittle it all down to something that actually works.

    Sure some have early success, and you hear about them since most don't, then measure your success by their yardstick, (which is a mistake) you stay with something til you have enough competency in it, to confidently walk away from it, and try something else.

    Or stay with it.

    Good luck.

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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I have been online for just over 10 years, tried pretty much everything,
      And therein lies your problem. Wonder where you might be had you stuck with one thing for 10 years. I'd be willing to bet you'd own a Mac Pro, today - instead of wrestling with Windows 6 on a daily basis.

      Just sayin' . . . . . . . :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      6 Months, lol, thanks for the laugh.

      I have been online for just over 10 years, tried pretty much everything, and all signs are showing that l am on the right track and making a success of it overall.

      And l spent 2.5 years with my first website, and 7 months with PPC, etc, in other words each project takes the time it takes, and it takes what ever amount of time it takes to whittle it all down to something that actually works.

      Sure some have early success, and you hear about them since most don't, then measure your success by their yardstick, (which is a mistake) you stay with something til you have enough competency in it, to confidently walk away from it, and try something else.

      Or stay with it.

      Good luck.

      Hi Tagiscom,

      This is helpful. Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Hey y'all,

    About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

    It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

    I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

    However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?


    If you haven't made any money in 9 months you're obviously doing it wrong.

    That doesn't mean you should stop, it means you should change your strategy.

    You'd get actual help rather than a pat on the back If you asked very specific questions with details included in the thread.

    Do you even have one email subscriber? Tell us what you've done that's failed.
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    • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If you haven't made any money in 9 months you're obviously doing it wrong.

      That doesn't mean you should stop, it means you should change your strategy.

      You'd get actual help rather than a pat on the back If you asked very specific questions with details included in the thread.

      Do you even have one email subscriber? Tell us what you've done that's failed.
      Hi Yukon,

      You're right, I didn't frame my question properly. I didn't really provide a lot of details.

      I decided on email affiliate marketing after meeting a mentor in the space. I paid the mentor $3k, who showed me the following method:

      Use FB ads to drive traffic to a freebie, hit subscribers with an affiliate offer on the Thank-You-Page, then provide value and selling emails on the back-end.

      I'm currently working in the women's weight loss niche with this method.

      All in, I've spent about 3k on traffic testing this method (this equates to about 3000 subscribers), but have only returned about $500 in revenue. Revenue is growing, but I'm not sure if my progress is fast enough.

      Quitting online business isn't the intention. But, I was wondering if 6 months was a good barometer to see if you should stick with something or move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Hey y'all,

    About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

    It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

    I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

    However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?
    9 months. A LONG JOURNEY. HA!

    I will bet, today, right now...that you will be in the same boat two years from now.

    If I'm reading the signs (thanks JLaw-Silver Linings)...

    It is a sign you don't know what you really want. You heard people say...yada, yada, yada and you are listening or paying attention to THEM?

    What was your PLAN 9 months ago? Email affiliate marketing. Who were you going to be sending the emails to? Why?

    What affiliate offers would you be promoting? Why?

    What were the distractions?

    Yes, to answer your question in the title. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO QUIT.

    Stop the insanity. Start over. Only in the next 9 months, have a PLAN OF ACTION.

    Set up some goals based in reality, know what you want to do and why. The assumption from your post is, you want to make money with affiliate marketing.

    If that is the case, join WarriorPlus, JVZoo, find some good vendors and set up your affiliate business with tested and proven methods.

    And get a mindset adjustment while at it too. Because you need to NOT listen to what a bunch of unrelated people have to say about anything and tune into what those people who are successfully doing it have to say.

    So, yea. Time to Quit.

    Giggling GordonJ
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    • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      9 months. A LONG JOURNEY. HA!

      I will bet, today, right now...that you will be in the same boat two years from now.

      If I'm reading the signs (thanks JLaw-Silver Linings)...

      It is a sign you don't know what you really want. You heard people say...yada, yada, yada and you are listening or paying attention to THEM?

      What was your PLAN 9 months ago? Email affiliate marketing. Who were you going to be sending the emails to? Why?

      What affiliate offers would you be promoting? Why?

      What were the distractions?

      Yes, to answer your question in the title. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO QUIT.

      Stop the insanity. Start over. Only in the next 9 months, have a PLAN OF ACTION.

      Set up some goals based in reality, know what you want to do and why. The assumption from your post is, you want to make money with affiliate marketing.

      If that is the case, join WarriorPlus, JVZoo, find some good vendors and set up your affiliate business with tested and proven methods.

      And get a mindset adjustment while at it too. Because you need to NOT listen to what a bunch of unrelated people have to say about anything and tune into what those people who are successfully doing it have to say.

      So, yea. Time to Quit.

      Giggling GordonJ
      Hi Gordon,

      Thanks for the post.

      Yes, the goal is to make money with email affiliate marketing. Ideally, enough to replace my full time income.

      I chose to focus on the women's weight loss niche, selling MoreNiche, Amazon, and Clickbank products.

      However, I don't think this was enough.

      By reading your post, I think one thing is clear; I didn't really have a clear plan of action. I had a general idea, but no systematized process. This must be the key.

      With regards to proven methods, would you recommend buying a WSO course to get a tried and true method/system?

      Best,

      -FC
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  • Profile picture of the author kazimuhith
    It you quit trying something after just 9 months, you will never become a winner. You will always be a quitter. Prepare a plan and keep hammering the nail until its in!
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by kazimuhith View Post

      It you quit trying something after just 9 months, you will never become a winner. You will always be a quitter. Prepare a plan and keep hammering the nail until its in!
      Is that akin to beating a dead horse until it jumps up and dashes to the finish line?

      If you're not smart enough to know when to quit, you'll never move on to the next thing that you might succeed at. I've enthusiastically started projects that after 9 days I knew it was just not for me. Good idea - bad fit. Should I have stuck with it until I ruined my life?

      There's no shame in admitting you made a mistake. None! Each failure in life gets you one step closer to success, as long as you learn from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?



    Tell me honestly, how many top athletes got to where they are in 6 months time?


    How many doctors, lawyers, CPAs, etc studied and practiced their trade for a mere 6 months to earn their license?


    How many professional ____(anything)____ became a success in 6 months time?


    You are talking about learning a life changing skill that can pay all your bills and provide you with a nice full time income for the rest of your life.


    Where else will you find something like that in 6 months?


    Put on your big boy pants and get to work.


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  • Profile picture of the author franamico
    Hey,
    As Tony Robbins always says: "Your past doesn't have to equal your future".
    The reason why you haven't made money yet is that you haven't had the right training.
    I would suggest finding a coach and sticking with one system/niche/method until you start making a consistent income.
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    • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
      Originally Posted by franamico View Post

      Hey,
      As Tony Robbins always says: "Your past doesn't have to equal your future".
      The reason why you haven't made money yet is that you haven't had the right training.
      I would suggest finding a coach and sticking with one system/niche/method until you start making a consistent income.
      Hi Franamico,

      I think this answer makes sense. If you don't know how to do something, how can it be profitable?

      I actually paid for mentorship/coaching, but I'm not sure if I chose the right mentor.

      Do you have any tips for choosing a mentor? What should one look for? How much help can one expect?

      Best,

      FC
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    And therein lies your problem. Wonder where you might be had you stuck with one thing for 10 years. I'd be willing to bet you'd own a Mac Pro, today - instead of wrestling with Windows 6 on a daily basis.

    Just sayin' . . . . . . . :-)
    Mac Pro? I will have a Mac Pro eventually, not unless Microsoft puts down their Idiots Guide to Marxism.

    And l have Windows 7Pro today, 1 year 2 months, Zero updates, and in perfect working order!

    Might have been, ok.

    If l had stayed with PPC, l would had to have created a similar version of the Earth For Energy product, (the only product l found that converted well) then got affiliates to sell it for me, (which would get around the kw's sell once and never or rarely again barrier).

    That product dealt with second hand solar panels and wind turbine's.

    I found out a few years ago that the company broke one of Adwords 1000 rule book rules, and couldn't sell their own product, but these days they have ditch the wind turbine, (probably too much litigation).

    Or l could just keep spending $250 per test, and hope that l didn't max out my credit card before getting something to work?

    No, that is why l ditched that one, (and l did create software, with great but restricted results, as well).

    If l had stayed with PPC, l would be dead broke,and probably staring at a padded wall with striped sunlight.

    I doubt that l need to go into details with you about padded walls,............ or crayons?

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  • Profile picture of the author mostCPA
    Good point. In the first six months you don't usually even know what the thing you are create really is yet. the 6 month approach makes sense, I agree that any business can start making money from Day 1... but we're talking about Day 1 of launch, not Day 1 of planning...
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?
    It really all depends on your business model. Lots of big companies (think Facebook, Google, etc.) weren't profitable for 5 years or longer. Others made money from day one.

    One thing I tell people new to business (online or not) is to try to focus less on money as a metric of success, at least initially. It's not that money isn't important -- of course it is! -- but especially for new businesses, it's really hard to gauge your success (or lack thereof) based on your profit margin. Instead focus on things like your traffic growth, the increase in the size of your lists (email, social media or any others you might have) and even more importantly, focus on the feedback you're getting from your customers. Does your business seem to be striking a nerve for people? Or is it just one of a million trying to do the same thing as everyone else? Are your customers satisfied, eager to buy from you again and eager to recommend you to their friends? Or are they indifferent or unhappy with your products and services? These are the sorts of metrics that will tell you if you are on the right track even if you're not pulling in the big bucks -- or even the small bucks.

    All that said, I think that Yukon is basically right when he says, "That doesn't mean you should stop, it means you should change your strategy." After all, just because you're making mistakes doesn't mean you're incapable of learning from them and doing better. Then again, just because you're making mistakes doesn't mean it's easy to figure out what the mistakes are let alone correct them and do better. If this were easy everyone would do it, everyone would be successful, and everyone would be a millionaire.

    One final thing. I don't really have time to go into detail, but you mention a "method" that you learned. Obviously, I don't know much of anything about your or your business, but that sort of language makes me nervous. To be successful in a war, a general must be a master of tactics, but also have a winning strategy. Both are vital. "Methods" are the business equivalent of "tactics". Yes, you need to master methods. But you also need a winning business strategy. And I'd also note that if you only have one method that you know, your tactical knowledge is pretty weak. Do you have a strategy? What other methods do you use? How do these methods support that strategy? What else do you need to be able to do for your strategy to work? These are fundamental questions that it's not clear you've thought about enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    It took me 2 long years before I hit my stride. Never once thought of quitting.

    Quitting is for losers.

    Are you loser? Then quit. Are you a winner? Then keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author Notright
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Hey y'all,

    About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

    It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

    I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

    However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?
    Your first mistake was starting off with clickbank. I'm going to assume you're selling an info product since that's what clickbank mostly is. My friend information is by far the toughest thing to sell online!

    We live in an age where everyone expects information to be free. Even rock solid good information is tough to get people to pay for. I think I read that the Encyclopedia Britannica is on its last legs.

    I think you see where I'm going with this....

    I've wasted thousands of dollars trying to sell information before I was ready. If I had to do it all over again I would've started with amazon products. Amazon is by far the easiest to sell online since its a well known trusted brand.

    It just doesn't take all that much convincing to get someone to buy something they need or already want on amazon. Yes the commissions suck but it will teach you how to sell online and from there you will graduate to selling info products.

    If after 9 months you haven't made a clickbank sell I recommend switching to amazon just for a bit until you learn how to trigger someone's buying reflex without ever talking to them in person....
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  • Profile picture of the author affmarketer101
    One vote for quit if you are not having enough financial power.
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  • Profile picture of the author AshleyRivera
    I don't really believe in this maxim. I believe that you get paid for the work you put in and let's face it, making money online is tough at first! It takes patience, persistence and healthy knowledge of how internet marketing works.
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  • Profile picture of the author mostCPA
    Invite the users for surveying their opinion, I guess it will be a clear view then
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    The 6 month time line is nonsense.Some people achieve success faster than others for others it takes longer. You have to work it out in stages and yes I am think time lines do give you a target to reach.But hey ,it takes consistent action of the correct techniques and patience yo make money online.I wouldn't tell you to quit neither ,instead pivot and analyze what you are doing .
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
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  • Profile picture of the author drquek2
    I am facing the same dilemma- whether or not I should quit email marketing?
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by drquek2 View Post

      I am facing the same dilemma- whether or not I should quit email marketing?
      It's unfortunate, but no one can answer this question for you and no trite cliché spouted by folks with virtually no life or business experience will be of any further assistance in helping you decide.

      This always comes down to a personal decision. The answer lies in your gut and in your heart - rarely in your brain. The question is, are you honest enough with yourself to interpret the internal signals, strong enough to make a difficult decision and smart enough to realize that there is no shame in altering your life's path if that is what you decide? Only a loser would call you a loser for striking-out, anew. Now - if you make a habit of repeating this behavior time after time, then you probably should just find a decent job. Not everyone is cut out for business - regardless of their dream.

      In the end - it all comes down to personal courage, regardless of which choice you decide on. I think you probably already know the answer to your quandary and are looking for others to validate your decision. Man up! Make a decision. Find your path. Life is short!

      Cheers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rfitness
        Great words! This comment really resonated with me... I've been dabbling with online marketing for years now and not making a success of it... The thing that I can't ignore is the potential return it has.

        I always have phases of putting it on the back burner then coming back to it filled with short lived motivation, which makes me question if the thing bringing me back to it each and every time is my heart or my head...

        I feel like once I've made something work I'll stay consistent with it, as I seriously struggle with getting knocked back every time something doesn't work. Is this normal?

        Thanks for the post

        Great words - that is exactly what I needed to hear! Thanks so much!
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  • Profile picture of the author DRP
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?

    Yes, there is some truth to this maxim....like all maxims? Most of the people here in the forum do NOT make any respectable amount of money....despite claims to the contrary.



    The simple fact of the matter is that if you are not producing leading indicators of success (leads/revenue) within a short amount of time....you're burning what capital you might have and you'll be poor in short order.



    Are you generating revenue but not turning a profit? Or are you not even producing revenue? If you're producing revenue then it may be salvageable....but if you're not even producing revenue after 6-months to a year....you're wasting your time.


    Not the answer you probably want to hear but that's likely the reality.


    P.S. Email marketing is a tactic....it's not a business model. Someone above also said they're about to quit "email marketing" like it's a business model....which it isn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by DRP View Post


    Are you generating revenue but not turning a profit? If you're producing revenue then it may be salvageable....but if you're not even producing revenue after 6-months to a year....
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post


    All in, I've spent about 3k on traffic testing this method (this equates to about 3000 subscribers), but have only returned about $500 in revenue. Revenue is growing, but I'm not sure if my progress is fast enough.
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    Since you most likely did not see FillyCheez's other post he made $500.00 but his spending on paid traffic is to high. So it is salvageable, if the Original Poster can figure where his buyers come from. Than reverse the numbers. So 3k profit comes from $500.00 on paid traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author DRP
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Since you most likely did not see FillyCheez's other post he made $500.00 but his spending on paid traffic is to high. So it is salvageable, if the Original Poster can figure where his buyers come from. Than reverse the numbers. So 3k profit comes from $500.00 on paid traffic.

      Indeed, I missed that information, thank you for calling that out! With that in mind, assuming he still has money available for operating expenses, then yes, it is potentially salvageable. He's going to need to give us more information though if he wants any of us to help him. Otherwise it will likely be guesswork and estimation.
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      • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
        Originally Posted by DRP View Post

        Indeed, I missed that information, thank you for calling that out! With that in mind, assuming he still has money available for operating expenses, then yes, it is potentially salvageable. He's going to need to give us more information though if he wants any of us to help him. Otherwise it will likely be guesswork and estimation.
        Hi DRP,

        Here are the details..

        I am running FB ads for a lead magnet which provides value in the women's weight loss niche.

        I am monetizing on the front end with affiliate offers on the thank-you page, and on the back end by sending emails that provide value mixed with affiliate offers.

        Right now, my lead cost is 80 cents. My most recent numbers show I am making 30 cents on front end per sub, and 20 cents on back end (50 cents total).

        If this helps, my FB ad CTR is averaging 4.5%, my lead magnet page converts at 46%, and my TYP click-through rate is 41%.

        Obviously, I could become profitable by increasing revenue and/or lowering costs.

        I am working on providing more value on back end to boost conversions and revenue.

        However, I think the FB ads could be the linchpin in this whole scenario.

        I have gotten lead costs as low as 40 cents, but I can never stay at that level consistently. To be frank, I am NOT an FB expert. There is a lot of room for improvement in this area.

        I was thinking about hiring an FB expert to help with the lead cost.

        Thoughts?
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        • Profile picture of the author DRP
          Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

          Hi DRP,

          Here are the details..

          I am running FB ads for a lead magnet which provides value in the women's weight loss niche.

          I am monetizing on the front end with affiliate offers on the thank-you page, and on the back end by sending emails that provide value mixed with affiliate offers.

          Right now, my lead cost is 80 cents. My most recent numbers show I am making 30 cents on front end per sub, and 20 cents on back end (50 cents total).

          If this helps, my FB ad CTR is averaging 4.5%, my lead magnet page converts at 46%, and my TYP click-through rate is 41%.

          Obviously, I could become profitable by increasing revenue and/or lowering costs.

          I am working on providing more value on back end to boost conversions and revenue.

          However, I think the FB ads could be the linchpin in this whole scenario.

          I have gotten lead costs as low as 40 cents, but I can never stay at that level consistently. To be frank, I am NOT an FB expert. There is a lot of room for improvement in this area.

          I was thinking about hiring an FB expert to help with the lead cost.

          Thoughts?
          Don't hire anyone, because you're doing MUCH better than most people and they likely won't tell you anything you won't already know. If your cost per lead is less than $1 on average....that's extremely cheap. Your conversion rates and CTRs are really high too, actually.

          I'm presuming, based on what you've detailed, that your initial offer is low in price. Honestly, I don't think you're going to be able to reduce your cost any lower than it already it: which it's dirt cheap to be perfectly honest. So in turn, you gotta increase the LTV for each subscriber...which it sounds like you're aware of and working on.

          Do you wanna share what you have set up for autoresponders and how you have everything flowing from nurturing to promotions? Data on open rates/unsubs/CTR/conversions/EPC/etc? My initial suggestion is that you should get a subscription offer/micro-continuity so that you're making recurring revenue month over month...or lead up to a high ticket item but that is tricky and will likely involve you hosting a webinar (then replay) in order to sell, a high ticket item.

          Feel free to share more details as I mentioned above. I'll have more thoughts for you if you'd like. Don't quit....this is definitely salvageable and not as severe as I initially anticipated. I think the linchpin is simply what you have inside the sales funnel to maximize subscriber LTV...not your advertising (FB).
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          • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
            Originally Posted by DRP View Post

            Don't hire anyone, because you're doing MUCH better than most people and they likely won't tell you anything you won't already know. If your cost per lead is less than $1 on average....that's extremely cheap. Your conversion rates and CTRs are really high too, actually.

            I'm presuming, based on what you've detailed, that your initial offer is low in price. Honestly, I don't think you're going to be able to reduce your cost any lower than it already it: which it's dirt cheap to be perfectly honest. So in turn, you gotta increase the LTV for each subscriber...which it sounds like you're aware of and working on.

            Do you wanna share what you have set up for autoresponders and how you have everything flowing from nurturing to promotions? Data on open rates/unsubs/CTR/conversions/EPC/etc? My initial suggestion is that you should get a subscription offer/micro-continuity so that you're making recurring revenue month over month...or lead up to a high ticket item but that is tricky and will likely involve you hosting a webinar (then replay) in order to sell, a high ticket item.

            Feel free to share more details as I mentioned above. I'll have more thoughts for you if you'd like. Don't quit....this is definitely salvageable and not as severe as I initially anticipated. I think the linchpin is simply what you have inside the sales funnel to maximize subscriber LTV...not your advertising (FB).
            Hi DRP,

            Thank you for your review. If what you say about lead costs and conversions is true, perhaps I've been doing better than I thought. It's hard to get a benchmark in this industry. Thank you for your kind words.

            If you'd be willing to offer additional tips, I'd be more than happy to share my current autoresponder set up...

            I've tried multiple setups for the auto-responder, but this one has worked best. I had written 3 weeks of autoresponder messages, but only the 1st week was converting (I should probably test different offers in the later weeks). Here is the setup:

            Email 1: Deliver ebook freebie, survey to ask audience about pain points (gathering intel)
            Email 2: Value, soft sell in P.S
            Email 3: Value, soft sell in P.S
            Email 4: Value, soft sell in P.S
            Email 5: Story/metaphor to convince subscribers to purchase offer
            Email 6: Hard sell

            Open rates for these emails are between 12-23%.

            For the soft sell emails, I included a few links to valuable resources for subscribers, so its hard for me to tell actual CTR for those emails. For metaphor/selling emails, CTR between 2-3% of ENTIRE list, not just for message opens (this is how Aweber reports the statistics)

            I actually don't have data on unsubs. These emails were sent using the "Campaign" feature in Aweber, which only provides data on Open Rate and Click Rate.

            My click tracking is not very sophisticated at the moment, and Aweber only reports Click Through Rate, and not raw clicks. So, here is my estimate for EPC...

            1000 list for last testing period.
            Last two selling emails had 2% and 3% CTR respectively, so about 50 clicks total. This resulted in $160 in commissions, so $3.2 EPC.

            Regarding your suggestion for a subscription offer/micro-continuity, do you mean I should create such an offer? Or, are there affiliate offers that offer recurring commission? (I've only ever seen 1 such offer).

            I have been monetizing exclusively through affiliate offers, and haven't put much thought into product creation (should I?).

            I have put zero thought into a high-ticket item. I'm not quite sure what that would look like for my niche (women's weight loss). Perhaps I should research this further.

            Thanks again for your advice!

            -FC
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            • Profile picture of the author DRP
              Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

              Hi DRP,

              Thank you for your review. If what you say about lead costs and conversions is true, perhaps I've been doing better than I thought. It's hard to get a benchmark in this industry. Thank you for your kind words.

              If you'd be willing to offer additional tips, I'd be more than happy to share my current autoresponder set up...

              I've tried multiple setups for the auto-responder, but this one has worked best. I had written 3 weeks of autoresponder messages, but only the 1st week was converting (I should probably test different offers in the later weeks). Here is the setup:

              Email 1: Deliver ebook freebie, survey to ask audience about pain points (gathering intel)
              Email 2: Value, soft sell in P.S
              Email 3: Value, soft sell in P.S
              Email 4: Value, soft sell in P.S
              Email 5: Story/metaphor to convince subscribers to purchase offer
              Email 6: Hard sell

              Open rates for these emails are between 12-23%.

              For the soft sell emails, I included a few links to valuable resources for subscribers, so its hard for me to tell actual CTR for those emails. For metaphor/selling emails, CTR between 2-3% of ENTIRE list, not just for message opens (this is how Aweber reports the statistics)

              I actually don't have data on unsubs. These emails were sent using the "Campaign" feature in Aweber, which only provides data on Open Rate and Click Rate.

              My click tracking is not very sophisticated at the moment, and Aweber only reports Click Through Rate, and not raw clicks. So, here is my estimate for EPC...

              1000 list for last testing period.
              Last two selling emails had 2% and 3% CTR respectively, so about 50 clicks total. This resulted in $160 in commissions, so $3.2 EPC.

              Regarding your suggestion for a subscription offer/micro-continuity, do you mean I should create such an offer? Or, are there affiliate offers that offer recurring commission? (I've only ever seen 1 such offer).

              I have been monetizing exclusively through affiliate offers, and haven't put much thought into product creation (should I?).

              I have put zero thought into a high-ticket item. I'm not quite sure what that would look like for my niche (women's weight loss). Perhaps I should research this further.

              Thanks again for your advice!

              -FC

              You're welcome! Let's take a look:

              Wordstream is fairly solid and they have some FB Ads Benchmarks which you can read. You're certainly outperforming their benchmarks and that doesn't surprise me: Wordstream is pretty solid IMO.

              It's important to actually document what you've done in detail, and the changes you've made. People like to talk about A/B testing, optimization, etc but most of them are doing guesswork. Treat it almost as if you were running an experiment, because in a real way, you are. So document everything as you're "testing" things. Don't haphazardly through things at the wall hoping it sticks. It takes discipline and I've been guilty of cutting corners, but having that documentation will be a huge boon as you look to see where you can improve things and avoid repeating stuff you've already tried.

              Your numbers look pretty solid on the email statistics. Open rate, CTR, and EPCs are nothing to sneer at either so it's just a shame your commissions seem to be low. I'm presuming these aren't recurring either. I presume your emails are plain text, not HTML....I'd be surprised if they were HTML since plain text outperforms HTML emails across the board.

              On the point of recurring revenue. It may be prudent to see what is available for affiliate offers with recurring revenue/subscriptions. Since you're in women's weight loss, there are physical products like supplements. I know in 2009 there was good money on autoshipping/recurring orders but that blew up with class action suits and lots of affiliates got jacked up. There may still be some subscription/recurring physical products available to promote though....you'd have to look. Other options are, of course, membership sites and digital products in the weight loss market. I'm not sure which retailer you belong to (CJ/Clickbank/etc)

              High ticket would be difficult to find....but take a look. Depending on how you frame your communications, you might be able to go towards empowerment/self-esteem offers and I'm sure there's a female guru out there that has some "mastermind" or seminar or other high price item with an affiliate program. This may require some deep legwork and possible networking.

              You can also absolutely create your own product as well. I'd certainly suggest continuity/subscription for that as well. Hell, you could even create your own high ticket item if you have enough clout with your subs. But being a product owner/vendor is more taxing than simply being an affiliate. That's not to say it isn't worth it - but it's an important consideration.

              From the look of things, you're doing a lot of things right! Initial steps appear to be:

              1. Document your existing process.
              2. Record your changes to your process. Past and projected.
              3. Research offers with higher payouts or recurring revenue.
              4. Research high ticket offer for the end of your funnel.
              5. Sketch out your product offerings and funnel to get a full understanding of what your subscriber lifetime value is.
              6. Draft possible product to create.

              Happy to keep the conversation going. Hope this helps as well.
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              • Profile picture of the author FillyCheez
                Originally Posted by DRP View Post

                You're welcome! Let's take a look:

                Wordstream is fairly solid and they have some FB Ads Benchmarks which you can read. You're certainly outperforming their benchmarks and that doesn't surprise me: Wordstream is pretty solid IMO.

                It's important to actually document what you've done in detail, and the changes you've made. People like to talk about A/B testing, optimization, etc but most of them are doing guesswork. Treat it almost as if you were running an experiment, because in a real way, you are. So document everything as you're "testing" things. Don't haphazardly through things at the wall hoping it sticks. It takes discipline and I've been guilty of cutting corners, but having that documentation will be a huge boon as you look to see where you can improve things and avoid repeating stuff you've already tried.

                Your numbers look pretty solid on the email statistics. Open rate, CTR, and EPCs are nothing to sneer at either so it's just a shame your commissions seem to be low. I'm presuming these aren't recurring either. I presume your emails are plain text, not HTML....I'd be surprised if they were HTML since plain text outperforms HTML emails across the board.

                On the point of recurring revenue. It may be prudent to see what is available for affiliate offers with recurring revenue/subscriptions. Since you're in women's weight loss, there are physical products like supplements. I know in 2009 there was good money on autoshipping/recurring orders but that blew up with class action suits and lots of affiliates got jacked up. There may still be some subscription/recurring physical products available to promote though....you'd have to look. Other options are, of course, membership sites and digital products in the weight loss market. I'm not sure which retailer you belong to (CJ/Clickbank/etc)

                High ticket would be difficult to find....but take a look. Depending on how you frame your communications, you might be able to go towards empowerment/self-esteem offers and I'm sure there's a female guru out there that has some "mastermind" or seminar or other high price item with an affiliate program. This may require some deep legwork and possible networking.

                You can also absolutely create your own product as well. I'd certainly suggest continuity/subscription for that as well. Hell, you could even create your own high ticket item if you have enough clout with your subs. But being a product owner/vendor is more taxing than simply being an affiliate. That's not to say it isn't worth it - but it's an important consideration.

                From the look of things, you're doing a lot of things right! Initial steps appear to be:

                1. Document your existing process.
                2. Record your changes to your process. Past and projected.
                3. Research offers with higher payouts or recurring revenue.
                4. Research high ticket offer for the end of your funnel.
                5. Sketch out your product offerings and funnel to get a full understanding of what your subscriber lifetime value is.
                6. Draft possible product to create.

                Happy to keep the conversation going. Hope this helps as well.

                Hi DRP,

                This is a big help, thank you! Lot of value here, wow.

                One thing I must say, when it comes to the Wordstream statistics, I'm not sure how relevant they are for my tactics. I'm outperforming all the statistics by over 300%...

                BUT

                ...I am giving away a freebie to generate leads. I'm assuming the Wordstream statistics are for marketers that are actually selling something directly.

                This is a piece of information that I haven't been able to find on the net... benchmarks for freebie lead generation costs.

                Not sure if you know of any resources to provide benchmarks for this?

                Best,

                -FC
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                • Profile picture of the author DRP
                  Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

                  Hi DRP,

                  This is a big help, thank you! Lot of value here, wow.

                  One thing I must say, when it comes to the Wordstream statistics, I'm not sure how relevant they are for my tactics. I'm outperforming all the statistics by over 300%...

                  BUT

                  ...I am giving away a freebie to generate leads. I'm assuming the Wordstream statistics are for marketers that are actually selling something directly.

                  This is a piece of information that I haven't been able to find on the net... benchmarks for freebie lead generation costs.

                  Not sure if you know of any resources to provide benchmarks for this?

                  Best,

                  -FC

                  You're welcome! I'm fairly confident that Wordstream's data is from a mix of ecommerce and lead generation. Lots of B2B marketers do lead generation so when they refer to conversion rates, it's typically congruent with what you're doing: producing leads via freebies. If I learn of others I'll ping you with them. Keep in touch as I'll be quite curious to stay updated on your progress.
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        • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
          Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

          Hi DRP,

          Here are the details..

          I am running FB ads for a lead magnet which provides value in the women's weight loss niche.

          I am monetizing on the front end with affiliate offers on the thank-you page, and on the back end by sending emails that provide value mixed with affiliate offers.

          Right now, my lead cost is 80 cents. My most recent numbers show I am making 30 cents on front end per sub, and 20 cents on back end (50 cents total).

          If this helps, my FB ad CTR is averaging 4.5%, my lead magnet page converts at 46%, and my TYP click-through rate is 41%.

          Obviously, I could become profitable by increasing revenue and/or lowering costs.

          I am working on providing more value on back end to boost conversions and revenue.

          However, I think the FB ads could be the linchpin in this whole scenario.

          I have gotten lead costs as low as 40 cents, but I can never stay at that level consistently. To be frank, I am NOT an FB expert. There is a lot of room for improvement in this area.

          I was thinking about hiring an FB expert to help with the lead cost.

          Thoughts?
          No offense. I have used Facebook ads too, and lost money as you are. I don't see that as success. It is a net loss.

          What am I missing here?
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  • Profile picture of the author skylikemake
    Well, maybe they are right, as it's really competitive business and it's really hard to do well in these days. But i advice you to change the ways you use, change your strategy, try different things
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Hey y'all,

    About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

    It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

    I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

    However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?
    "You never fail until you've quit"

    If what you're doing hasn't been working, then Change it up.

    It's never too late unless you quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Does it feel fun to you? Keep going. You may be frustrated but if you enjoy the process - being agitated at outcomes - you are on the right track. 9 months is still a babe in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author SDJ74
    Definitely NOT! Before I made my first income online people always asked me "How long would you give it?..." My answer would always be - until I succeed. You´ve gotta want it more than you want to breathe. THEN you´ll be successful.

    The reason most people give up and don´t succeed is no one has ever told them the REAL way to do things online. And trust me - I have gone through A TON of courses where I got all mislead (AND PAID FOR THEM!) But as they say... Life finds a way...

    So, I eventually found (by being the eternal non-quiter-martial-arts attitude I have had all along) that it can all be boiled down to THREE single steps:


    1. Build your list

    2. Engage with your list

    3. Sell to your list


    The money is in the list. And the time it takes us to learn the RIGHT things will differ since our effective attention span differs. Thus - some will make it in 6 months and some will make it in 18 or more. Just make sure to NEVER, EVER give up on your dreams! They´re there for a reason! And we MUST fight to keep them alive until we LIVE THEM!

    Carpe Diem!

    Learn something new EVERY DAY and you WILL succeed! (Feel free to connect for further questions)
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by SDJ74 View Post

      Just make sure to NEVER, EVER give up on your dreams! They´re there for a reason! And we MUST fight to keep them alive until we LIVE THEM!

      Carpe Diem!

      Learn something new EVERY DAY and you WILL succeed!
      Seriously? How young must one be to still believe that this is how life works?

      Sorry, folks. I hate to be Danny Downer, but "it ain't necessarily, so." It's fine to believe all of that if you want to, but to not approach that mindset with a bit of honest realism is the fastest path to self-destruction. There's a real world out there and it doesn't play by the rules that you make up for it.

      Just something to consider. Your future happiness and economic well-being could depend on it.

      Just sayin' . . . . . . . .
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      • Profile picture of the author SDJ74
        And how old do one have to be to know that giving up will never get you where you´d like to be lol

        Your "real world views" are normal to all people. But it´s the ones who never quit who gets what they desire.

        Of course, you´re welcome to think what you think is best for you. That mindset won´t help ya.

        Finding solutions will
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by SDJ74 View Post

          And how old do one have to be to know that giving up will never get you where you´d like to be lol
          I'm precisely where I want to be and I have "given up" and started over dozens of times before finding what was right for me. That's called, 'intelligent decision making based on the facts at hand." The operative word being, 'intelligent.'

          Your "real world views" are normal to all people. But it´s the ones who never quit who gets what they desire.
          Or wind up destitute, alone and regretful for not seeing the error of their ways, evaluating their options and finding a new direction in life that afforded them a higer degree of attaining success and happiness.

          Of course, you´re welcome to think what you think is best for you.
          Thank you, oh guru. lol

          That mindset won´t help ya.
          Yeah. I'm suffering. Oh, the humanity.

          Finding solutions will
          Correct, but sometimes the solution is starting over as opposed to approaching life with a closed mind full of nothing but trite clichés that in the end are generally worthless.

          Thinking that your beliefs are the true beliefs is the height of arrogance. One could say the same about my beliefs except mine are rooted in supreme self-confidence and to discern that fine line that separates arrogance from supreme self-confidence requires a well-honed ability for intellectual nuance that few possess. I'm one of the lucky ones. :-)

          P.S. I can do this, all day!
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          • Profile picture of the author SDJ74
            P.S. I can do this, all day!

            That doesn´t surprise me. You´ve already proven what kind of a "business person" you are lol

            Good luck with that.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by SDJ74 View Post

              P.S. I can do this, all day!

              That doesn´t surprise me. You´ve already proven what kind of a "business person" you are lol
              Yes. A successfully retired one. When I'm not cruising S. Jersey shore points in my absolutely beautiful BMW convertible, I'm sitting on the dock of my lakeside home. Things could be worse. :-)

              Not bragging, here - just highlighting the fact that while you believe that things have been 'proven,' like most of what you state as fact, it is nothing more than a figment of your limited imagination.

              Good luck with that.
              Good luck with getting there.

              Shall I go on? It's still early in the day. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author SDJ74
    Ooooohhh.. I´m in awweee... lol Yeah keep going making a fool of yourself lol
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by SDJ74 View Post

      Ooooohhh.. I´m in awweee... lol Yeah keep going making a fool of yourself lol
      It's obvious you're new, here. That ship sailed - long, ago. This isn't about me. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    You have to DEDICATE 60 DAYS

    FULL OF IMMERSION: using ONE STRATEGY for delivering traffic to your opt in page.

    And advertise ONE PRODUCT and in your THANK YOU PAGE PUT ONE AFFILIATE LINK.

    Only one.

    Dedicate at least 4 hours per day with NO DISTRACTION at all (schedule it in 1 hour then pause then 1 hour).
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    • Profile picture of the author SDJ74
      I like this one
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by JohnVianny View Post

      You have to DEDICATE 60 DAYS
      No - you have to do it forever. You can never quit, regardless of the results. Just ask the experts.
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  • According to me, we should not stop ourselves, we can do it. Everything is happening on the right time.
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  • Profile picture of the author SSA Soft
    you should try in another field.
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    What exactly have you tried? What niche have you been working with? What skills do you currently have? Have you ever had any success be it small or large? Everyone has a different learning curve some people succeed in a week others take 10 years of effort to win. Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

      What exactly have you tried? What niche have you been working with? What skills do you currently have? Have you ever had any success be it small or large? Everyone has a different learning curve some people succeed in a week others take 10 years of effort to win. Winners never quit, quitters never win.
      Did you take the time to read the thread ? You would have your answers in post 14 & 33
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  • Profile picture of the author mithunsamanta
    Very nicely replied. It's really the matter because of which our income does not happen.

    Yes that's correct. It is in the form of pomodoro technique
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  • Profile picture of the author Angelo Ribero
    Great thread! One I started to read it it has enriched my knowledge a lot. I personally think that yes, there should be no barriers for the time period. 6 months as a barometer does not say anything as it is just a generalization on average while the success in project can come now at any time or after few years. The goal is to stick with your goal, learn from mistake, think and rethink rethink, rethink what could be done better.
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  • Profile picture of the author ExtendedCare
    I think you should not quite that affiliate marketing. if you are doing right way then you will have to keep patient. may be after one year or two years defiantly you will be earned massive income .
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    I think you are going to have dozens telling you not to quit. But, honestly, if you have been at it for even 3 months and you aren't making a dime, why continu?. Get a job picking up trash or flipping hamburgers. At least at the end of the week, you have some money in your pocket for your efforts. That's my take.
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  • Profile picture of the author salsym
    Originally Posted by FillyCheez View Post

    Hey y'all,

    About 9 months ago, I took my first step into email affiliate marketing.

    It's been a long journey, but I'm still not profitable yet.

    I've had several distractions along the way, but for the most part I've tried my best to focus over these past 9 months.

    However, some comments I've heard recently have me worried.

    I recently heard several unrelated people say that "if you haven't made any money within 6 months, you'll never make money online"...

    Do y'all think there's some truth to this maxim? Is the 6-month mark a good barometer for success?
    Is this a sign to try something else?
    That is too early to quit. I struggled for 5 long years and after that I started seeing light after tunnel. Believe me, it works. It is a question of being at the right time at the right place. For a few lucky ones, it comes in a month, for others like me after years. Can you imagine, I struggled for 5 years, and then one day, my video that I had shared on Tumblr, was re-blogged by a famous internet marketer and that changed the whole scenario...
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    Get some proper guidance from an expert. It took me about 6 years to start making any consistent income online. But things really changed for me when I got a mentor and started focusing on doing the right things.
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