Giving up after 11 years

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Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    I know it feels so tough and frustrating sometimes. Honest; it took me many years to find my flow.

    My genuine, heartfelt advice; feel your deepest fears because the fears fuel your struggles. When the fears come and go, you raise your energy from fear-failure-struggle-nightmare to love-success-ease-fun. But until you purge the fear energy, no matter what you read, do or buy, you will fail horribly, because you cannot outfox or out trick your energy. Lesson offered from a guy who experienced many nightmares in this department.

    Once you clear the predominant fear vibe, you will begin to connect with inspired folks, awesome ideas and yep, you'll patiently follow sound advice, working your rear off, to lay a foundation for a successful online gig.
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    • Do not give up because it is possible to earn money online, but it is not easy. One of the ways to earn money is creating a really helpful Blog and monetize it. After this, you can make Guest Blogging, place ads, etc. For sure, you need to know SEO otherwise your Blog will not have high rankings in SERP. But it definitely works, so possibly no need to give up at all. Wish you good luck!!
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Vladimir Mirnii View Post

        But it definitely works,
        To some degree, for some people!
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    • Profile picture of the author BiancaRaven
      I feel your pain. I've been there. I was a really successful mortgage broker and investment advisor for 10 years. Then I had my daughter and was forced to find a "stay at home" job to help pay the bills while I raised my baby.

      In that time, I took my financial background and translated it into a great stay-at-home freelance writing career that has since spanned 11+ years. My little girl is almost a teenager now and I'm at the point of almost being burned out from writing articles for other business owners. I watch them make all the profits while I live for each invoice payment (equivalent to paycheck to paycheck living).

      So I decided to translate what I learned in my finance career with my time spent as an online business owner and create a whole new business.

      The result? I now have a hybrid business that works really well for me and my daughter. I combined my knowledge of online content creation, digital marketing, and my history of financial and investment knowledge. I regained my old finance licences to practice finance that I'd given up when my daughter was born.

      Now I have a hybrid business that generates some of my income from writing about financial content for various clients around the world for purely cashflow purposes. The rest of my income is derived from writing home loans, personal loans and commercial/business loans for people who need specialized finance solutions - all of which is generated online.

      All of these things happened as a result of years of trial and error with various other online ventures and businesses. But the reality is that one day I sat down and created a brand new business that works with my personal skill sets and capitalizes on what I learned while working as a business owner online.

      Perhaps there's a way to combine everything you've learned online with whatever skills you had in your working life previously to create something new that works for you?

      They say everything happens for a reason. Consolidate everything you've learned. Look at what failed and what seemed to work. Then combine those things with your strengths and create a new business that works for YOU.

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  • Profile picture of the author dayus444
    If you 've been doing this for 11 years without success, then maybe you should take a break and try an offline business.
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    • Profile picture of the author prodexigner
      This is a practical solution. Sometimes, we need a break to get a fresh new start.
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  • Profile picture of the author RestlessBlaze
    I will give you one advice. Get a skillset. Focus on learning a skillset. Can you learn

    1) coding
    2) copywriting
    3) graphic designing


    Start with getting a specific skill. Then, get some freelance work. Once you have stable money coming from freelance work. Start building some product and launch it.
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    • Profile picture of the author the1best1seo
      Originally Posted by RestlessBlaze View Post

      I will give you one advice. Get a skillset. Focus on learning a skillset. Can you learn

      1) coding
      2) copywriting
      3) graphic designing


      Start with getting a specific skill. Then, get some freelance work. Once you have stable money coming from freelance work. Start building some product and launch it.
      There is no way to succeed without developing a needed skill. After a decade of this, setting up your own businesses, you should have developed a keen sense of how the sales funnel works along with a great deal of copywriting technique. People sell S*** products because it isn't the product they are selling. It is the brand and experience. You will fail every time unless you find your strength.
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  • I am feeling your pain! I've been at this for the same period of time, maybe even longer.... I find bursts of income and then they dry up! Sometimes the amount of time & energy invested doesn't equate to the burst of income at all, but I guess it's a bit like panning for gold, you keep trying until you strike a vein that could keep you going for life. Don't give up mate, I'm not going to!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave d
    Coming to the point to keep it really limited to what you need to read -

    1. If you have really tried everything which everyone is making money from you maybe doing something wrong at some point.
    2. If you still think you are doing all points really correctly, try moving your legs towards Product based work, go for One-on-One mentoring with a real product to move you ahead. Don't rely only on words but try them as well.

    To be frank, everything works as long as you put your full caliber i won't say everything works perfectly and very high paying for everyone. Each person has different potential and creativity to implement each method they see or go through.

    If you need real product or service based implementation for a real earning starting tomorrow let me know i can mentor you with my experience (not forcing you) but still i guess if you go with Drop-shipping or a proper affiliate marketing strategy you will make enough to recover your loss in a really less time.

    I deliver like every week around 3-4 stores for drop-shipping and people are really making back next week! It has real potential every minute you walk, eat, run, think and socialize.
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    • Profile picture of the author enigmamach
      Originally Posted by Dave d View Post

      Coming to the point to keep it really limited to what you need to read -

      1. If you have really tried everything which everyone is making money from you maybe doing something wrong at some point.
      2. If you still think you are doing all points really correctly, try moving your legs towards Product based work, go for One-on-One mentoring with a real product to move you ahead. Don't rely only on words but try them as well.

      To be frank, everything works as long as you put your full caliber i won't say everything works perfectly and very high paying for everyone. Each person has different potential and creativity to implement each method they see or go through.

      If you need real product or service based implementation for a real earning starting tomorrow let me know i can mentor you with my experience (not forcing you) but still i guess if you go with Drop-shipping or a proper affiliate marketing strategy you will make enough to recover your loss in a really less time.

      I deliver like every week around 3-4 stores for drop-shipping and people are really making back next week! It has real potential every minute you walk, eat, run, think and socialize.
      I am interested in your offer
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

        I am interested in your offer
        You said, "Looks like I just need to simplify things and look at what my original goal was and stick to that."

        And now you say you are interested in being mentored in drop-shipping.

        "I'm just sittin' here watching the wheels go 'round and 'round." - John Lennon

        Maybe it's me. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

        I am interested in your offer

        And the bass keeps running, running. And running, running. And running, running ...







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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          And the bass keeps running, running. And running, running. And running, running ...]
          I watched that entire video believing that it couldn't go on like that, forever. You owe me!
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            I watched that entire video believing that it couldn't go on like that, forever. You owe me!
            The DVD extras are the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author Khaled Tahoun
      Hi David;

      Sorry for barging in like that, in fact I am in a huge need for your help!
      If you can give me a way to communicate with you privately, i'll appreciate it greatly.
      Thanks & regards
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    When you say you want to solve the problem of so many ... what problem are you speaking of and are you an expert on said problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

    What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    Over a decade, same as me well l started online in December 2007, so 10 years 6 months, and yep tried tons of different things with similar results.

    I think the reason some make good money with crap is they created a list/hired one, or made a deal, (l did that once, and got good sales).

    But l agree too many gurus, giving too much of the same old advise, and not the "How do l frickin Do it" which is what everyone wants.

    I started out with websites, then lists then PPC then more sites, then software, and did a few courses along the way.

    Last one was flyers, which does make me almost $100 a month, but requires a lot of work, for a long time.

    That is why l am concentrating all of my efforts into Online Stockmarkets, which l have to emphasize isn't for everyone, but if you can make it profitable then there is no ceiling, (but you do need to research your target or study graph lines, (including reading relevant books).

    I tried it last week relying on reputable company's experiencing a low and going up, (not what l usually do) and overall, l lost money.

    As l said not for everyone, but l am bringing across things l learned from my failed past experiences, and am making it work.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

    What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    Annoying Questions:

    Have people told you they are looking for a solution to this problem? Have they said they'll pay for it?

    What is your competitor doing, the one who's making money, that you aren't?

    Why are you offering your course for free? Have you considered that many people believe "low price = low quality"?

    You haven't shown us what you've done, but I'll bet the copy could be improved. Do you have any idea where your process is breaking down (and the prospect is leaving)?

    How much traffic are you seeing daily, monthly? If it's a trickle and you're agonizing over each and every blip, you're only hurting yourself. Just about everyone I've done a consulting call for over the years did not have anywhere near enough traffic to support their--usually vaguely thought about and not clearly defined--money target.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy McLean
    Here is a formula I learned from my mentor:

    Success = Simplicity x Consistency

    For example, you'll never get good at video marketing by posting 1 video. Just do it over and over again.

    And don't overthink it. Dumb things down and keep it simple.

    The best teacher is taking action and putting something out there. Your results will always differ from someone else's.

    You then fix what isn't working.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

    What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    Honest and practical advice, STOP.

    You have a website. You are SHARING what you have learned over the 11 years with people via a FREE course.

    People aren't biting. Not biting for a FREE course.

    You want to solve the problem so many people are having...

    Read that over, it is correct, eh?

    Maybe you should take your own course, sort of PHYSICIAN heal thyself.

    You may have learned a lot over the last 11 years, but one of them was NOT how to make any money doing any of it, right?

    STOP. LOOK. And LISTEN.

    This will be your railroad crossing, and get off the tracks, you'll get hit by the train.

    Hontest, practical and USEFUL ADVICE:

    Take your "course" and create a one page HOTSHEET, Cheatsheet, or a simple 2 page PDF file.

    THAT is what you will give away for FREE. At your landing page, have a sign up form, and write some copy, then when and IF anyone signs up. Send them the file.

    Step one. ^^That is actionable, doable, and a first step in the process. Do it. Let us (me) know, and I'll guide you to STEP two.

    Can you, or are you willing to do that? See, I like to CALL some of the players at this table. So far, this month alone, NONE of them have taken me up. ALL came here; ready to quit, begging for help, seeking a mentor, and I (and others) availed ourselves for free...

    NO takers. A lot of talkers. Which one are you?

    11 years of failure and more of the same? Or DO something different and try another way?

    Your call.

    GordonJ
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      Can you, or are you willing to do that? See, I like to CALL some of the players at this table. So far, this month alone, NONE of them have taken me up. ALL came here; ready to quit, begging for help, seeking a mentor, and I (and others) availed ourselves for free...

      NO takers. A lot of talkers. Which one are you?

      11 years of failure and more of the same? Or DO something different and try another way?

      Your call.

      GordonJ
      F*ing SAD.

      I see it all the time: people wanting help but then not wanting to do the work. People saying, "I have a problem!" but then being too chicken to book the call with the person they KNOW could help them. Like this:



      (Then why don't you DO something about it??!)

      OP (Dennis?), I am not saying you are like them. Just responding to Gordon's post with my own level of frustration. If you have the time I highly recommend taking him up on his offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    I'll keep it short. I have made about $80,000 online over the last 7 years. That average is just a little more than $11,000 per year.

    I did this trying different methods such as writing ebooks and dropshipping. However, all of these methods had a limited lifespan for me. Today, I have closed most of these efforts and am only earning a modest residual income, about $2,000 last year.

    MARKETS GET SATURATED

    Markets are only good for a certain time then something changes. It can be saturation, it can be a change in a Google algorism, or Facebook rules.

    You have no control over these factors, so you always have to be looking for something new.

    The NEW must have real value and not be a scam or a wanna be course. It has to have REAL value and it has to be UNIQUE.

    But most important is that if must have a MARKET. This is simple, but not easy. You have to work day and night and be objective and obsessed to make any income.

    That's my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author crackhouse
      [QUOTE=lastreporter;11372082]I'll keep it short. I have made about $80,000 online over the last 7 years. That average is just a little more than $11,000 per year.
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      wow, weird reading this.

      I started this 5 years ago. First year i made **** all, and most of the time was just doing freelance work - not business - like having a proper job.
      By the second year i had an employee (outsourced my service) and could manage about $2000 a month ($24k per annum).
      By the third year, i was pulling off the odd $4k-6k month, and had one $10k month. Averaged $64k that year.
      By the fourth year I made $100k+ in the year.
      Now i'm in my fifth year, i slid backwards in jan-march, but found my footing again.

      I thought I was struggling and failing at this, because I was so far from my goal of wealth and independence - but reading some of you guys, 7 years, 11 years... damn!
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Thanks for any advice in advance.
    Well, I read your post and then your signature. You'll forgive my confusion.

    Doing something without success for 11 years is NOT stick-to-it-iveness. It's masochism.

    Regardless of what many here will try to get you to believe - no - not everyone can succeed at 'anything' if they stick with it long enough. You are living proof of this. Many, here will also tell you that even if you have to spend another 11 years at it, just shake things up a bit and you are bound to hit on success and that quitting is the absolute worse thing you could ever do. These people are dead wrong. They don't have your best interest at heart. They just want to sell you on a dream that doesn't exist for everyone. It makes them feel good about themselves and allows them to feel that they are helping you, when in fact they are advising you to fester in your misery. DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM!!!

    Failing at a business venture does not make you a personal failure. Not being smart enough to come to an honest realization that it's time to march off in a different direction, well - that does make you a failure. All you are doing is prolonging your misery. If you are enjoying the feeling that you have when you wake up in the morning and go to bed with each night - then simply keep doing what you are doing and never, never complain about it. If you're not happy with your life - then change it. The very next thing you try might be something you'll be more successful at. No guarantee, of course, but you'll never know until you try.

    Just something to think about.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Thread title:
    Giving up after 11 years

    OP forum sig:
    Never, ever give up. - Dennis



    He's giving up but wants some parting advice for IM.

    That makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before.
    How's that working for you?

    a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course.
    A course on how not to make money in 11 years?

    I see a lot of people who try to force something out of the Internet, just because it's there.

    If you truly enjoy "helping people" then go down to the local homeless shelter or mental health facility and volunteer.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

      How's that working for you?

      A course on how not to make money in 11 years?

      I see a lot of people who try to force something out of the Internet, just because it's there.

      If you truly enjoy "helping people" then go down to the local homeless shelter or mental health facility and volunteer.
      Wow! To think that folks accuse me of being totally devoid of human compassion. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Wow! To think that folks accuse me of being totally devoid of human compassion. lol
        What's more "compassionate", feeding someone's pie-in-the-sky fantasy or being honest with them?

        In my experience with "humans", I'm more compassionate then about 90% of them.

        I'm just fine with that.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

          What's more "compassionate", feeding someone's pie-in-the-sky fantasy or being honest with them?

          In my experience with "humans", I'm more compassionate then about 90% of them.

          I'm just fine with that.
          I was being facetious. You'll notice I 'thanked' your post as I am in complete agreement with it.

          This place could use a great deal more 'tough love' and honest ass-kicking rather than the endless stream of banal and trite drivel that is spewed in an endless stream.

          So many of the 'suggestions' put forth are simply put, incredibly harmful and of no use, whatsoever. Clichés, bromides and pablum. There is absolutely nothing wrong with telling someone the cold, hard truth - even if it might hurt them in the short-term. The goal is to give them long-term, meaningful solutions.

          That said, I always tell people that what I put forward is just my take on the matter and that I'm not telling them what to do. I just want to give them an alternative to consider.
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  • Profile picture of the author crackhouse
    Honestly - sounds like you've been wasting your time for 11 years. Why would you want a mentory when you've spent ELEVEN YEARS consuming every article, video, podcast on making money online?

    Your biggest problem is that you think being an "idealist" is going to get you anywhere.

    "i want to solve a problem"
    "i want to help people"

    Slay these totems. Those slogans are meaningless. You want none of that. You want to make money. That's it.

    You have a market here of people who want to pay people for SEO and IM services. Find a servicec they need and you can sell to them. Then learn to outsource that service and increase your margins. Then make some money and invest that money in a different business.

    What did you think you were meant to do?
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

    How's that working for you?

    A course on how not to make money in 11 years?

    I see a lot of people who try to force something out of the Internet, just because it's there.

    If you truly enjoy "helping people" then go down to the local homeless shelter or mental health facility and volunteer.
    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    Wow! To think that folks accuse me of being totally devoid of human compassion. lol


    Regarding some comments here, failing for 10 years isn't a failure if you give things a decent shot and move on to try something else.

    Failure whittles down things that you hate or don't work or would bankrupt you, etc, and that doesn't mean you put a self help book on the pulpit with some candles, and do what you love, it means having less and less options left, but the ones that are left are the best available.

    So instead of mountains of hay to try out, you end up with a small pile of needles, (threading needles) and sure you will get pricked by some, but you only need one to turn your life around.

    I can't tell you if you should give up or not, but l am down to one needle, which is showing a lot of potential, so l would advise you to keep going till you end up with one thing, and give it you all.

    Good luck.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Regarding some comments here, failing for 10 years isn't a failure if you give things a decent shot and move on to try something else.

      Technically, that is exactly failure.

      lack of success.
      Failure is moving on to something else, another business, etc... without solving the original problem.

      Success is sticking with the same project/problem/business/etc... until you figure it out.

      the accomplishment of an aim or purpose
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Success is sticking with the same project/problem/business until you figure it out.
        And if that doesn't work (for some reason) ... Moving on to
        another "Business" (etc.) ― with the lessons learned from
        the "failure" -- could also be considered "Success."

        (JMO) As Winston Churchill put it: "Success is moving from
        one failure to another without loss of enthusiasm."

        Cheers.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          And if that doesn't work (for some reason) ... Moving on to
          another "Business" (etc.) ― with the lessons learned from
          the "failure" -- could also be considered "Success."

          In that case the problem was the person not being able to comprehend their pattern of failure and not the original task the person was trying to accomplish.

          Failure is indeed the loss of focus and determination.






          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          (JMO) As Winston Churchill put it: "Success is moving from
          one failure to another without loss of enthusiasm."

          Cheers.

          The context is off by a mile.
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            The context is off by a mile.
            Let's consider that as slight progress.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Yukon:

            After reading you post again ― I think we're actually on the same page. (Sometimes I misinterpret things ...) Essentially I think (providing it's possible) a Person should keep going with their project/Business etc. until they're successful.
            : )

            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            The context is off by a mile.
            My apologies.
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              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Essentially I think (providing it's possible) a Person should keep going with their project/Business etc. until they're successful.
              Please explain how this makes any sense, at all. Seriously? It says nothing. It's word salad.
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Please explain how this makes any sense, at all. Seriously? It says nothing. It's word salad.
                Lol. Well it means exactly what I said: A Person/Marketer/etc. should keep going with their projects (etc.) until they're successful. (Instead of moving on to something else or giving up when faced with failure (etc.)

                Then, if it's not possible, they should move onto something else.
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                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Lol. Well it means exactly what I said: A Person/Marketer/etc. should keep going with their projects (etc.) until they're successful. (Instead of moving on to something else or giving up when faced with failure (etc.)

                  Then, if it's not possible, they should move onto something else.
                  So - you don't see the complete contradiction in that? Seriously??? Hilarious!
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    So - you don't see the complete contradiction in that? Seriously??? Hilarious!
                    To each their own.
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                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      To each their own.
                      : )
                      I've given you the translation for this in the past. No sense in repeating myself. :-)
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                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        I've given you the translation for this in the past. No sense in repeating myself. :-)
                        Basically a Person can have an Overall Goal: (Something like making $100,000/Year) ... And within that goal a "process" for example creating a Blog/Website ...

                        Then if that process doesn't work they should learn something from it that will contribute to their overall goal when they create something else.
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                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                          Basically a Person can have an Overall Goal: (Something like making $100,000/Year) ... And within that goal a "process" for example creating a Blog/Website ...

                          Then if that process doesn't work they should learn something from it that will contribute to their overall goal when they create something else.
                          Yes. In other words you are saying if the blog is not allowing them to reach their goal of making $100k per year, they should quit writing the blog and try something else that might get them to their goal.

                          So - the question becomes - how is quitting writing the blog, not quitting? In order to start anew, you must quit that thing you were doing previously. Hence, 'never quitting' does not apply.

                          Thank you for allowing me to clear that up for you.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            Yes. In other words you are saying if the blog is not allowing them to reach their goal of making $100k per year, they should quit writing the blog and try something else that might get them to their goal.
                            Well there's a balance to it. Sometimes a Person should keep going with their Blog (etc.) ... However many times they wouldn't succeed with it because it's not something they're (truly) passionate about/Interested in.

                            Maybe it's just me however I have tried several ventures that weren't successful because I was only doing it for the money.
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                              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                              Well there's a balance to it. Sometimes a Person should keep going with their Blog (etc.) ... However many times they wouldn't succeed with it because it's not something they're (truly) passionate about/Interested in.
                              That's not the reason that people don't succeed with blogs. The real reason is that it's a piss poor business model with most bloggers not making enough on a daily basis to support their coffee habit. Are there exceptions? Of course. Around 1% - or so I have read. I'm not one for spouting these figures as fact, so possibly it's a bit more.

                              Maybe it's just me however I have tried several ventures that weren't successful because I was only doing it for the money.
                              The goal of business is to make money. If you want to help the world, become a missionary. This crap about how you'll get rich in IM if you just devote your life to helping people is just that - a load of crap. When I was in business I helped people every day and they paid for my help. I volunteered once a week at the SPCA to rack up karma points..

                              People who tell you to spend their life giving your time and talent away in an effort to develop a following are only encouraging you to develop a following that based on their past experience with you of getting everything for free, will expect things to be free, forever, going forward. That's a business strategy for chumps. lol

                              I haven't asked in a few months. How's that website you're building that's devoted to helping others, coming along? Uh-huh. :-)
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                                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                That's not the reason that people don't succeed with blogs. The real reason is that it's a piss poor business model with most bloggers not making enough on a daily basis to support their coffee habit.
                                If that's true ... Then why not help them rather than spending your time "arguing" with People?

                                The goal of business is to make money.
                                Personally I think helping People and building a successful Business/Website go hand-in-hand. One of my favaourite examples is "Chicken Soup For The Soul." Whch is essentially comforting (etc.) stories.

                                If you want to help the world, become a missionary. This crap about how you'll get rich in IM if you just devote your life to helping people is just that - a load of crap...
                                *See above.

                                I haven't asked in a few months. How's that website you're building that's devoted to helping others, coming along? Uh-huh. :-)
                                All of the Website's I'm working on are to help other People.
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                                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                  If that's true ... Then why not help them rather than spending your time "arguing" with People?
                                  Who's arguing? I'm just stating my beliefs. Arguing with people that can't or won't see the light is a fool's errand. Who has time for that exercise in futility? Not I, certainly.

                                  What? I should spend my precious time on this planet helping bloggers? The only way I could effectively do that is to take their computer away from them. lol

                                  Peersonally I think helping People and building a successful Business/Website go hand-in-hand. One of my favaourite examples is "Chicken Soup For The Soul." Whch is essentially comforting (etc.) stories,
                                  More trite pablum for losers that are in constant need of hand holding and emotional rescue.

                                  All of the Website's I'm working on are to help other People.
                                  You ain't helping anyone until you finish at least one of them, which I won't live long enough to see. That thought should make you happy - and keep you in your perpetual state of talking about these websites, which I'm afraid no one will ever see. I can build a complete WordPress site in a day, loaded with content. It's been years, Jonathan. Years!!! What's the hold up?

                                  Just something to think about.
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                                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                    You ain't helping anyone until you finish at least one of them, which I won't live long enough to see. That thought should make you happy ...

                                    (Lol) Definitely.

                                    : )

                                    P.S.
                                    My apologises that you're old.
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                                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                      (Lol) Definitely. : )

                                      P.S. My apologise that you're old.
                                      No apologies necessary, Jonathan. While getting old does have its expected downside, I've come to learn that living this long is a joy and I am enjoying life more and more with each passing day and I get to refute more bullshit with each passing day. I could not ask for more. :-)

                                      P.S. You'll miss me when I'm gone and I'm willing to bet that you'll actually say nice things about me - after "Good riddance." lol
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                                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                        P.S. You'll miss me when I'm gone and I'm willing to bet that you'll actually say nice things about me - after "Good riddance." lol
                                        You know what ― as a Forum Member ― I probably would.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

    What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    I doubt you've been "at this" for the last 11 years. I'm sure you've watched countless YouTube videos, consumed hundreds of articles and spent ages on "research". But starting a business? Tell us exactly what you've done.

    According to your posts here, you ran a computer repair company in 2015. What happened with that? Some details would help us to pinpoint where you might be going wrong.

    Just asking how to make "some sort of income" without providing more info or background is what rookies do. After 11 years, you should know better than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author enigmamach
    Thank you all for your responses. Looks like I just need to simplify things and look at what my original goal was and stick to that. I believe I lost focus through the years which made me jump around and frankly waste a lot of time. This has been insightful.
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      Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

      Thank you all for your responses. Looks like I just need to simplify things and look at what my original goal was and stick to that. I believe I lost focus through the years which made me jump around and frankly waste a lot of time. This has been insightful.
      Do you have good mentors ? people around you who are doing / have want you want, people to guide, I think most people who succeed in some way have this trick in their toolbox. Might save you another 11 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author anayb
    Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of failure.

    Let's be real, you're not passionate about developing a product or service that solves a big customer problem. In other words, you may have a few mishaps along the way, but you simply don't want to prevail. Failure costs time and money and that's never a good thing.

    It's time that you take a good hard look in the mirror, determine what went wrong, learn from the experience, and do things differently going forward to avoid a repeat performance. That's the key.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by anayb View Post

      Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of failure.
      No - that's the definition of insanity. It's quite possible to be totally insane and make good money. I am living proof of that. The trick is to not do stupid shit - over and over.
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      • Profile picture of the author WarWizard
        Looks like my earlier post with links to resources got deleted.

        Going to remove the links (which were not affiliate links), and hopefully the post is allowed to stay and helps OP.

        Here we go:

        Hey mate,

        Sorry to hear about the struggles in your journey.

        In 11 years of doing this, what skills have you acquired? (Copywriting, traffic, conversion, strategy, etc)

        Could you freelance with those skills to build up business skills?

        If you've failed so many times, it is highly likely that you have accumulated fears and limiting beliefs on what is possible for you to do and achieve.

        Few resources that have helped me start the turn around in my case were:

        1. The Millionaire Fastlane book by MJ DeMarco (seemingly cheesy title, but excellent content and mindset)

        2. UnScripted book by MJ DeMarco - deals with a lot of the mindset stuff without the woo woo crap*

        3. a couple of threads on the fastlane forum -*search for "Not Fulfilled? Depressed? Maybe You Need An Alignment" started by eliquid and "My new boss just extended my probationary period" esp post #38 in that thread

        4. EFT to minimise limiting beliefs and fears -*There are lots of videos on YouTube and also Dr. Mercola has a sub-site dedicated to it.

        5. 2 books by Sean Marshall that he gives away on his website for free on starting a marketing agency using any skills you may have picked up over the years -*Clone my business & 60 day entrepreneur
        6. Sean's also got a course on Udemy as an extension to the books he gives away for free called, "Online Marketing Business: Create Your Agency, Step-by-Step"

        7. Stuart Lichtman's book "How to Get Lots of Money for Anything - Fast". I've just bought this after a lot of research and hearing recommendations like the ones here and others online -*https://www.warriorforum.com/mind-wa...ichtman.html*- looks to be a great book on goal achieving.

        8. 2 books by Russell Brunson - Expert Secrets & Dot Com Secrets (for the strategic aspects of building and scaling any business using online marketing and advertising.

        Looking at most people who have succeeded and have stayed successful (in IM niche and niches other than IM), they mostly started offering a service as a freelancer while building skills, then building a business around it. Once they've done that, they've built info products, coaching etc on top of the reputation they've built.*

        Hope it helps you as well.

        None of the links above are affiliate links, nor do I know the authors personally - I've only read the books and/or done the courses along with a lot of research on the people and their accomplishments that give them the credibility.

        Most of the material above is fairly low priced, but have high potential value.

        MODS: if you remove a post, can you at least send the person who posts a reason so we can avoid the same mistakes? The original post did not have any affiliate links or links to optin pages, so not entirely sure why it was removed.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Technically, that is exactly failure.

        Failure is moving on to something else, another business, etc... without solving the original problem.

        Success is sticking with the same project/problem/business/etc... until you figure it out.
        You could say that, and sure l could have stayed with the first website, and branched more into video games, (that probably was the solution), and be making no more than $700 a month with that site, (most SBI sites make no more than $300 up to $700 a month).

        So today l could be making $700 a month from that that took 5 or more years of hard work, and be thinking great, but do l want to put another 5 years into another and wait another 5 years for $1,500 a month, not really.

        Well, l would probably be working on my next one as we speak so lets say $1000 a month now.

        No, whittling down all of the options leaves the best, and l consider the stock market one to be, (at least for me) the best.

        Someone only needs to make consistent profits with that one and scale up, to make more.

        That leaves all other things l have tried in the dust. So overall no failure.


        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        (Lol) Definitely.

        : )

        P.S.
        My apologises that you're old.
        Old is the tip of the iceberg!

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      • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
        In reply to the original poster, I would say the problem is information overload.

        So I would ask...have you built a list? If you haven't there in lies the problem.

        But not just any list will do. You need a list of buyers and/or a list of people highly interested in what you have to sell either as your own product or an affiliate.

        The fastest way I know of to get where you want to go(and fast) is to create an info product and have affiliates drive traffic for you. That is what you see all of the "gurus" doing.

        And the reason they create info products is to build a list.

        In order to create your own product, you will need to get good at writing sales copy. You don't need to be great. Good will suffice. Jason Fladlien has a really good course on writing sales copy fast as does Paul Hancox.

        The other option is to drive paid traffic to a squeeze page. For this, you will need to learn how to sell via email. That isn't that hard...but most get it wrong by being to salesy. A good person to learn from is Matt Furey and Ben Settle.

        These are the things I would focus on...and it is truly worth the effort.

        I hope this helps.

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      • Profile picture of the author webbie
        "I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research"

        If that's what you thought you needed to do to make money then I'm sorry for you.

        Gabriel had it right: You should be the one creating the videos, writing the articles and serving up the research. Creating products. And of course, real good products not BS.

        I did exactly what you did for about 6 months. Researched. Watched. Read. Guess what? That made me no money. Then I kicked my arse into action and started creating stuff. But that wasn't enough either.

        There's one thing missing from everyone who 'tries' to make money online and doesn't:

        Boldness.

        You gotta product? Then you gotta be bold and ask for the F*in money.

        You got something valuable and helps people? Great, ask for the F*in money.

        If you got a great product and don't ask for the F*in money guess what happens?

        You got it. Nothin'.

        And you helped no one.

        If you really want to help people: Ask for the F*in money and give them a great product.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        That's what I figure. These yearly numbers being posted aren't actual years of doing something (they can't be), they're years when they first found out money could be made online which is useless info.
        No Yukon, more than 10 years for me, and sure l take a few hours off every few days, and such, but most of that time is work.

        I spent the first few years slaving away at a website, filling it up with content and trying to monitize it with my and others products, with the occasional fluke sale, and a $1 or $2 a month in adsense.

        I did exactly what SBI told me to do, SEO,etc and it didn't work.

        Same with PPC, l did a online course on that for 7 months, at least til the video and audios became monotonous, and most of the members had left, but l stayed and thankfully the organizer did a walkthrough, (he was very successful) and it didn't work.

        And flyer and fonts, l have actually after years of effort got that up to about $100 a month, so you can say that l am making something, but it is pocket money.

        Same with a thousand or more a month, a good result, but you can't live off it.

        The Stockmarket is showing a lot of potential, but that took a month of learning and failure, to turn that around.

        And unlike freelancing, no ceiling, make $10 today, and $1000 tomorrow.

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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          The Stockmarket is showing a lot of potential, but that took a month of learning and failure, to turn that around.

          And unlike freelancing, no ceiling, make $10 today, and $1000 tomorrow.
          If you think you have figured out the stockmarket after one month of playing around, you should just light your money on fire now.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            If you think you have figured out the stockmarket after one month of playing around, you should just light your money on fire now.
            Lol, l will light it up later!

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          I spent the first few years slaving away at a website, filling it up with content and trying to monitize it with my and others products, with the occasional fluke sale, and a $1 or $2 a month in adsense.
          Sounds like you and the OP suffered from the one thing that kills 90% of the People on WF

          iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus

          after a nearly two decades of failure this forum should be selling nothing else but the antibiotic to make that illness go away. I was into high five figures in my first year doing IM full time. I attribute it to one thing. My personality had a high resistance to iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus. I didn't buy into it because of offline experiences.

          iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus is defined as an illness whereby you are driven and directed by your desire to get money online to the point where you do not consider why people should give it to you in particular or how you should EARN [DESERVE to get it] it.

          Most of what people therefore end up selling in IM is junk. What most people here call "products" is what is available in another form on the internet for free. Clickbank is garbage for the most part and even most of the posts in a thread like this are just platitudes or common sense stuff.

          Just like offline, money is guaranteed online only to people who have broke through a barrier that most won't or can't break through. You pay doctors and lawyers the big bucks because their barrier was harder and required more work before they could even make the first dime.

          You are almost guaranteed to make money if you are willing to temporarily forget about making money online and concentrate on being an expert in something relatively few are. Even as a sideline I have made a thousand a week by learning something that had a barrier to learning. Udemy is filled with people making serious money for the same reason.

          but iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus thinks - I want money now and you don't get paid much while becoming an expert - only after you are an expert. Because of iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus most people here continue to try and make marketing overcome the fact that they don't have anything truly valuable to sell - like a unique selling point. Thats a tough hill to climb why you see so many people falling of the side of the climb.
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          • Profile picture of the author crackhouse
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sounds like you and the OP suffered from the one thing that kills 90% of the People on WF

            iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus

            after a nearly two decades of failure this forum should be selling nothing else but the antibiotic to make that illness go away. I was into high five figures in my first year doing IM full time. I attribute it to one thing. My personality had a high resistance to iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus. I didn't buy into it because of offline experiences.

            iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus is defined as an illness whereby you are driven and directed by your desire to get money online to the point where you do not consider why people should give it to you in particular or how you should EARN [DESERVE to get it] it.

            Most of what people therefore end up selling in IM is junk. What most people here call "products" is what is available in another form on the internet for free. Clickbank is garbage for the most part and even most of the posts in a thread like this are just platitudes or common sense stuff.

            Just like offline, money is guaranteed online only to people who have broke through a barrier that most won't or can't break through. You pay doctors and lawyers the big bucks because their barrier was harder and required more work before they could even make the first dime.

            You are almost guaranteed to make money if you are willing to temporarily forget about making money online and concentrate on being an expert in something relatively few are. Even as a sideline I have made a thousand a week by learning something that had a barrier to learning. Udemy is filled with people making serious money for the same reason.

            but iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus thinks - I want money now and you don't get paid much while becoming an expert - only after you are an expert. Because of iwanttomakemoneyonlineitus most people here continue to try and make marketing overcome the fact that they don't have anything truly valuable to sell - like a unique selling point. Thats a tough hill to climb why you see so many people falling of the side of the climb.
            Great, response, i had a similar experience. Althoug i just kind of fell into my niche/market and thigns just grew organically. However, there are good times and bad times and how we adapt to the bad times is what defines us

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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Essi
          This is the kind of post that does truly break my heart!

          I have read through the responses given. Some have been insensitive, others promotional, and a few very honest and authentic!

          Personally, this is one of the reasons why I like the WF.

          It is a place where you can come and vent and air your dirty laundry. Like every family, there will be the "good" the "bad" and the "ugly". Sometimes...the really "ugly".

          Nevertheless, if people took the time to respond to your cry for help, then it goes to show the underlying spirit in the WF, which is to help.

          I have been in this WF, since 2009, and am equally a war room member.

          Never posted much because I was too busy reading, asking questions AND implementing.
          So, I have seen stories of all sorts in this very forum

          I say this unequivocally wherever I go about the WF:

          I state that it is where any newbie to IM or any solopreneur /entrepreneur looking to use the Internet to get an online presence, or yet again earn a living online can find all the education they need right here. This is your Master's program:

          "WF M.Sc Internet Marketing"

          If you sit down, and just read through this thread, you will find nuggets of wisdom that could be packaged and sold at a premium price! No kidding!

          So, please take the time and read through these responses.

          Some of them are simply gold because you can feel the authenticity in the response which shows that this is not just coming from the head, but instead from the heart and gut!

          Beautiful stuff.

          You have everything you need here to develop A skill! (I strongly suggest copywriting)

          I have spoken to so many people who jump from one course to the other the moment they get "STUCK".

          Getting stuck is an opportunity for growth!

          If you don't grow when such an opportunity is presented to you, then it doesn't really matter what program, course or secret opportunity you can lay hold of, you will still have nothing to show at the end of the day, because you would not have grown.

          Before business became what it is today, back in the day, there was this initial trading system called "Trade by barter" Here is how it is defined:

          1. (Commerce) to trade (goods, services, etc) in exchange for other goods, services.

          Basically, what this says is that if I am a carpenter, I have a "skill set" that allows me to make tables, chairs and all sorts of furniture.

          Now, the more I continue to work on these "skills set" the better my chairs, tables and furniture will be, and the more goods and services I can receive in exchange.

          The reason I charge demand more goods and services for my furniture is because I pride myself in honing and developing my carpentry skills, to a place of excellence!!

          So, since there was no "money" for trade under the barter system, I would have to find someone who had a valued "good or service" that I needed.

          I would then approach this guy....let's say he was a fisherman.

          I would tell him:

          "Look....I make some of the finest chairs, tables, and general future in this area. In fact, I have been working on improving my carpentry skills for years now and this shows in the beauty and longevity of my products. I can create a wonderful family experience for you by gathering them around a table where you can spend some amazing quality time for hours on end"

          I would then propose to this fisherman some of my finest chairs and tables for him to give me in EXCHANGE a lot of fish, and some of his best fish.

          No money.....

          Just the exchange of value for value.

          So, how did we get to the point where it seems like making money and earning a living online is some kind of lottery ticket, where some hit the jackpot, while others continue falling into a never ending hole of despair, addiction to "information products" poverty and frustration.

          In the same way, you should be considering what particular skill you can develop in order to be referred to as the indisputable expert in your field.

          Otherwise, you are just like any other "carpenter" out there.

          So, here are some questions you need to ask yourself?
          Who is my ideal client? What is my client Avartar.

          This needs to be done FIRST before buying the next fancy and shiny object that is devastating the IM world.

          Let the market tell you what it wants FIRST, and then you give it to them. Simple, but SOO overlooked.

          Once you have your client Avatar clearly written down, then you have to be clear about your value proposition.

          What makes your offer different from the other guy a few seconds away?

          Ask yourself:

          Why am I an Online Entrepreneur? Is it just to make as much money as I can and then disappear?

          If you don't have a cause that is more noble than just making money, then you will find yourself in a series of unstable moods.

          You will enter the land of emotional volatility. And without the energy of emotion fuelled by a completely transformed mind will ride the rollercoaster of deep discouragement to absolute excitement back and forth till you feel exhausted and ready to give up.....just like you so clearly described.

          So, reframe your mind.

          If you don't know how to do it, then search it out.

          As a christian myself, I strive to pattern my thinking system to that of Jesus Christ as stated by Paul's letter to the Romans in Chapter 12 where he states:

          BE RENEWED BY THE TRANSFORMING OF YOUR MIND!...


          Your mind is currently programmed to see more of the problems, obstacles, and lack, than it is to see the opportunities, the solutions, and the abundance that surrounds you.

          Change that, and you will find yourself more determined than ever, more focused, and more consistent in whatever business plan you would have decided to go with.

          Once that is set, the rest will take care of itself and pretty fast.

          To give you an example...

          Once I changed my thinking system about the Problem I used to think Facebook posed, and, and replaced that with a opportunity that Facebook provided, I set myself a goal to learn how to get Facebook likes for barely 0.05-10 cents a click.

          In doing so, I was able to grow a Facebook fan page from 0-30k in barely 30 days. (oh...and no, this is not a plug for anything....I don't even have a course on that)

          I was able to study, understand and teach the fundamentals of correct funnel building.

          I was able to then establish coaching services that would walk people through the process of clearing their mind of clutter, and finding absolute laser clarity, for radical productivity and results!

          I was able to start working on being the father and husband that I wanted to be.

          I was able to lose a couple of pounds just by changing a few of my eating habits etc...etc...etc

          Your problem is not IM. Everything starts inside! It is your thinking system that is wrong.

          As cheesy as it may sound, it is true. Change your thinking, and you will be astounded by the development you will see!

          Good luck my friend, and please don't give up. You are probably just at the edge of an epiphany!!

          Richard
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael J Anthony
          Yup, I've experienced that wanting to give up after seemingly trying everything under the sun. But I enjoy online business so I never did give up. Besides, what else am I going to do? Look forward to working a day job for the rest of my life?

          Find something you enjoyed and focus on that. After all this time, there must be something that you enjoyed most. Identify it, find a mentor in that one thing who is successful at it, and then focus on that one thing yourself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          OP hasn't logged into the forum or posted in his own thread for a month....so....
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  • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
    Making money online is getting targeted to right offer. If you are not able to do that then you have some work to do...
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    Please lists the skills you currently have. Then explain everything you have specifically tried and the results you have received. Have you had any success please share more detailed information so we can help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amin Boulabaim
    Look, man, the only people who make money are the people who master skills learning to do them the right way, which means doing, reading, and watching people doing the skill over and over and over (people doing them, or the work of other people). When I'm learning a skill a read the same books every day over and over again, and practice for a minimum of 4 hours to really master the information and it's application, you CAN'T apply perfectly a recipe the first time, not even the second, and not even beyond the tenth

    There are 4 levels you go through when you learn new information

    -Unconscious incompetence, don't know that you don't know (reading or having heard about something once still is not knowing, knowing and not using is still not knowing that you don't know.)

    -Conscious incompetence, know that you don't know (you understand why the information is important and why it works, usually comes from having tried something and getting an outcome, like testing the law of gravity throwing something.)

    -Conscious competence, this is when you know but you have to use a lot of concentration to do it, it takes you time and you don't get results most of the time. (You start to apply the information in the real world and seeing outcomes which further your understanding of the topic.)

    -Unconscious competence, this is when you do it without conscious effort (you are thinking about your stuff while doing it) and you always produce the desired result in the same time and each time faster. (maybe this is you driving, or walking from your job to your home after having done it hundreds times.)
    THIS IS WHEN YOU MAKE MONEY WHEN YOU ARE APPLYING FOR A SKILL OR PROGRAM YOU ONLY SHOULD WORRY ABOUT PRACTICING THE RIGHT WAY, READING OR WATCHING THE MATERIAL TO EVALUATE LAST DAY'S RESULTS AND GETTING TO THIS POINT, NOT ABOUT NOT GETTING RESULTS, NOT MAKING MONEY OR ANY OF THAT,
    when you do this then you produce the desired result which is value and value is money. Getting to this point is about building a habit in the brain, and you can do that as fast as you want to do it, you can go into sales for example and read, watch good salespeople and go selling outside for 8 hours a day and you can get to that point in 3 or 6 months.

    AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN THE RIGHT PROCESS FROM THE RIGHT PEOPLE, THE BEST OF THE BEST if you become unconsciously competent at doing it wrong you are not going to get any result.

    Know this that I told you works always, it never fails is the law of cause and effect, so you shouldn't worry again you know where the end of the tunnel is, is as quick as you want to master the skill, people will pay you because you're a person of value. Is the same with EVERY SKILL even non-business ones.

    Hope you make a good reflection from this, this will completely change your life if you let it to, and if you have any other question ask me.
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  • Profile picture of the author affmarketer101
    I really admire you as you did try for 11 years - that's really long time. I believe there will be an opportunity for success to you really soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author AshleyRivera
    I suggest picking one niche and sticking to it. Are you starting a new business and then getting frustrated that it isn't making enough money a few months later, scratching it, and starting something else? If so, then that is the problem! Pick one thing you are good at and work with it. Get into affiliate marketing for your website or blog to help make some extra income to put towards your business and go from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrewmonheim
    Copy what is already working. Find those people you look up to and mimick exactly what they do. You can do this with products and websites as well. As Russell Brunson always talks about is to replicate what is already working. Don't copy word for word but you know what I mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I see these stories all the time. I struggled for two years, but then I figured it out.

    Find someone who is successful and model what they are doing.

    I tried many niches and couldn't make any money in them except for one: the niche that teaches people how to make money online.

    Someone mentioned "panning for gold."

    Well, it's like the old saying "Don't pan for gold, SELL THE PANS to the people panning for the gold."

    In other words, when you are in the "make money online" niche, EVERYONE who wants to make money online is your potential customer, so it's like taking candy from a baby, so to speak. In other words, it's EASY.

    And the most important thing is you NEED a list. Anyone who says differently is either full of shit or incredibly stupid.

    And, unfortunately, sometimes you have to compromise your ethics.

    Find me one sales job where you make a ton of money that you DON'T have to compromise your ethics, and I'll find you a priest that never once thought about sex!

    The OP says he sees all the "gurus" making tons of money with their "shitty" products. Well, my friend, there's no reason you can't make a good product and do exactly what they're doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      And, unfortunately, sometimes you have to compromise your ethics.

      Find me one sales job where you make a ton of money that you DON'T have to compromise your ethics, and I'll find you a priest that never once thought about sex!
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      Id guess there are many people who do not need to sell their soul to the devil in order to make sales. At least you are honest in saying you are unethical in your business, that will probably go down well and be appreciated by the people on your list.
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      • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        Id guess there are many people who do not need to sell their soul to the devil in order to make sales. At least you are honest in saying you are unethical in your business, that will probably go down well and be appreciated by the people on your list.
        That's fair, except that my subscribers LOVE ME because I'm constantly hooking them up with incredible free content. That's why when I do a review and recommend a product I make tons of sales and stuff my pockets full of cash.

        And I never said I'm unethical in my business. That's YOU putting words in my mouth. I said that people in high tickets sales compromise their ethics.

        And nobody said anything about "selling their soul to the devil." Don't be so dramatic friend.

        Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled not to give a shit about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          That's fair, except that my subscribers LOVE ME because I'm constantly hooking them up with incredible free content. That's why when I do a review and recommend a product I make tons of sales and stuff my pockets full of cash.
          And I never said I'm unethical in my business. That's YOU putting words in my mouth. I said that people in high tickets sales compromise their ethics.
          And nobody said anything about "selling their soul to the devil." Don't be so dramatic friend.
          Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled not to give a shit about it.
          And, unfortunately, sometimes you have to compromise your ethics.
          Only based my reply on your words / not putting any words into your mouth ?, so I guess your ethical & telling the OP to be unethical then ? 2 of us that don't give a shit then, we have something in common.
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    • Profile picture of the author WarWizard
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      And, unfortunately, sometimes you have to compromise your ethics.

      Find me one sales job where you make a ton of money that you DON'T have to compromise your ethics, and I'll find you a priest that never once thought about sex!
      It's people with this mindset that give the sales profession a bad name.

      What is to say that if you compromise your ethics sometimes that you don't do it all the time, and with everyone you come in contact with?

      Sigh . . .
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    • Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      And, unfortunately, sometimes you have to compromise your ethics.

      Find me one sales job where you make a ton of money that you DON'T have to compromise your ethics, and I'll find you a priest that never once thought about sex!
      Can you give a couple examples of what you mean? You mean like making high recommendations for products that are subpar?

      Mark
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  • I know its frustrating moment. You can start meditation in the morning. I felt good experience with meditation. Blogging never died. You need to feed more useful contents in your blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    I think you might need to niche down and focus on specific ways and techniques to solve specific problems. Do your products and services align with the needs of your target audience is a good question to ask yourself and answer.And it easy to get addicted to information tutorials because every one seems to have the solution you are looking for which is not the case and it is confusing .And as far as giving up is concerned you might just have to pivot and navigate the direction you are going in in order to get better results .Atleast now you know what doesn't work so therefore you can can go through the process of elimination .
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  • Profile picture of the author crackhouse
    You have a market here, find things that people on WarriorForum and other IM forums want and market to them.. .then outsource, grow, and expand...

    wait, am i repeating myself
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

    What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    Sorry you've had some tough luck.

    I know you've shared some details but I think it would be easier to help if you shared more details, as much as possible on what you have tried.

    Have you made any money at all? Had any successful campaigns?
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  • Profile picture of the author accofranco
    I have come to realise something about internet marketing forums; don't ever expect help from the successful IMs once you paint yourself as someone that is not succeeding and don't have anything to offer to IMs.

    They will never help you. They will rather curse you, abuse you, mock you and compound your worries with their 'I am too great' and 'I know it all' mentality.

    The few that may try to help will rather recommend their paid course or offer to you to further enrich their selfish pockets. So expect less or no help at all from internet marketing forums like this place.

    My advice, keep on reading journey threads here and on other internet marketing and business forums, follow their bragging threads, read their journey threads, read how to blog articles, never ask them how can I do this and that being a newbie or a novice because they will never help you without mocking you.

    Everybody is a success, it takes different times for us to find our success in life because we operate on different time zones as individuals.

    Australia is ahead of America, Asia, Europe, Africa....but each continent have their own successes.

    So forget about getting help from the so called IM gurus on forums, they can only help by selling their courses and offers to you which might not still be the solution you need at the end of the day.

    My greatest challenge in making money online has been my geographical location, if not, I would have joined the league of top IM earners but still I am not giving up until I find success.

    Op, if you live in US, Europe or say India/Asia, you still have a great chance to make it.

    Do you know what to do?

    Forget about offering your guide to people because people might not be interested to pay for it, offer what majority want.

    We are in the era of ecommerce boom all over the world. Offer services related to ecommerce and SEO.

    Try drop shipping business. You can drop ship from eBay to Amazon or vice versa if you live in USA. It will liberate you financially.

    You can hire people on Fiverr to write you ebooks on some hot in demand topics, then sell the ebooks on Amazon kindle, lulu, etc.

    You can chat me let's brainstorm. I have great ideas only my location is my limitation. I really understand how hurtful it can be trying to make it without making it because I have been there.

    Please don't quit, don't give up, try the things I recommended above or chat me let's brainstorm.

    I wish you and others in your shoe the very best of luck and grace.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by accofranco View Post

      I have come to realise something about internet marketing forums; don't ever expect help from the successful IMs once you paint yourself as someone that is not succeeding and don't have anything to offer to IMs.

      They will never help you. They will rather curse you, abuse you, mock you and compound your worries with their 'I am too great' and 'I know it all' mentality.

      The few that may try to help will rather recommend their paid course or offer to you to further enrich their selfish pockets. So expect less or no help at all from internet marketing forums like this place.
      Sure a few members here seem sensire, but all roads lead to their sig,.

      And quite a few others like myself try to offer constructive advise.

      And no l am not going to tell everyone my best kept secrets, but l may drops hints from time to time.

      And l would go easy on the all IM forums won't help remarks.

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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by accofranco View Post

      I have come to realise something about internet marketing forums; don't ever expect help from the successful IMs

      So forget about getting help from the so called IM gurus on forums,
      Do you realize some of the successful ones here rarely post on this forum. They are to busy working in their chosen niche. They don't get involved at this level because most people here are not their market. Don't put a lot of faith in supposed gurus on this forum. A lot are filled with hot air.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrieB
    Have u tried Android apps? I don't believe u did. I can understand what u are going through.
    I can help u get started with android apps. I will just guide u around and u can try them yourself.
    Let me know if you are interested.
    PS: I won't be charging any money since I will just be guiding u around and answering your questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author NathanZad
    There's no shame in admitting something is not for you.
    Why continue to have your heart broken?
    Maybe just move on, or find a way to use what you've learned for pure enjoyment's sake.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gabriel
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    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Yes you heard right. I've been at this for over a decade. Iv'e tried everything. Affiliate marketing, CPA, building my own business. None of them seem to work. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone who knew the ropes so to speak but I understand people don't have time to mentor one-on-one without having to pay an arm and a leg. I'm just frustrated. My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.

    What am I doing wrong? I've heard "you can do it, don't give up!" stuff before. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    I think the way you frame is the problem

    "People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars. "

    1st. People don't bite.... when you have a value proposition they will find you to buy your service.
    2. Don't focus in "what others are doing"
    3. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet --> this is a business if you enjoy it or not makes no difference. Just because is "online" doesn't mean you can generalize" . Is like saying I want to make a living "outdoors" because I enjoy nature. mmm that can be a Soldier or a Zookeeper. Very different both.
    4. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. -> Stop watching, stop reading. How many videos have YOU DONE instead? how many blog posts have you WRITTEN instead?


    So before we continue let's start step by step.

    What is your EXACT goal?


    how much you want to make and by when?

    Let's start step by step. shall we?
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  • Profile picture of the author ydsimple
    Hello.
    What you need to do is not read or watch a lot of educational material, but to follow 1 plan and take actions. For example a win win business is to build a blog and rank it. All you need to know how to do keyword research, all the rest is simple, write unique articles, do on page and off page SEO. In 3-6 months you will start seeing results. Hope that will help. Cheeers :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    Focus on mastering the fundamentals of online marketing.

    That would be:

    -Branding
    -Content Creation/Copywriting
    -Lead Generation
    -Customer Acquisition
    -Relationship Building

    Not trying to sound harsh but if you don't master the fundamentals your failure will persist.

    If you need one on one help I highly suggest you hire a coach that can keep you accountable and on the right path as far as your income goals are concerned.
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  • Profile picture of the author ankit3302
    I will give you advice that you should learn a skillset like coding,web designing,programming or graphic designing so that you may give your earlier skills a new height which will enable you to succeed. At last, my friend, just one thing. Don't give up. Keep trying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amit Patel
    I can understand how you feel. Because I was at that stage in 2015. I started with internet marketing in 2010 but I also had a job at that time.

    So I was dabbling from the sides trying to understand really how this business works. At the best I was not serious about the business but just gathering enough knowledge.

    Then in 2015 I lost my job. I had to stay home for 5 months. During this period I accumulated debt over $25000 in AUD. This was not from trying IM products. It was from paying my bills. Paying for my family finances. Paying for my Mortgage. Paying for all the expenses.

    Finally I got a Job in August of 2015. That is the time I seriously started wanting to make the IM work for me.

    The first thing I did was decided not to follow any of the FREE stuff. You know that most of the free stuff is a bait for your email address and then the marketing that happens on the email.

    As I started learning and spending money on the paid stuff, I came across the real gems of the IM industry.

    I was following a simple strategy here.

    At any time I would only enrol into a single IM program that cost between $50 to $250. I made sure that it had a 30 or 60 days money back gaurantee. I would then mark my calendar 1 day before the end of the Gaurantee. I would then do exactly what was said in the course. If I felt that the course was good, I would continue but if I had not made any money before the gaurantee was over then I would ask for REFUND.

    That way I tested about 10 to 15 different products over a period of 18 months. After 18 months in 2017 I found a product where I made my first $189 commission and then $1250 immediately after that.

    I unsubscribed from all the other programs and just follow this one program. I have been working only on this program.

    With this program I have started my own Consulting, Speaking and Marketing Business. I don't claim that I have made millions or even a 6 figure income but good enough to quit my job forever.

    Now I just depend on the above three ways of generating income for myself. The goal I have is to be able to earn about $1000 per day.

    The only advice I can give you is find the right coach who can guide you. Sometimes you will not even have to pay anything for this coach. Then follow his advice to the T.

    Hope you find the best IM system out there that can make your next 11 years a charm.
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  • Profile picture of the author giulio74
    if you always do the same thing ... you will always get the same results!


    so then and maybe it's wrong to insist?
    to insist and to insist is not that which all the gurus say?
    that's how it's right ...
    but there is one thing, to insist does not mean always do the same thing but see what does not work and improve it and then change it and perfect it
    grow from your mistakes,
    failure is the best teacher, I've never heard any man of success who has never failed in the beginning

    11 years of failed attempts are not 11 years of failures but 11 years of experience, now you know things that do not work.

    it is said that Edison made 1000,000 attempts before inventing the light bulb


    if you were edison would you stop?

    now it is clear that from your experiences you have a 1000,000 attempts that went wrong.
    you have to make that extra attempt, which does not mean doing the same things,
    but every time something different, you have to understand what you're doing wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    Pay an arm and leg for coaching. Sometimes the thing you don't want to do is exactly what you need to do to be successful.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Trey Morgan View Post

      Pay an arm and leg for coaching. Sometimes the thing you don't want to do is exactly what you need to do to be successful.
      Or, not. Coaching is for people that can't research, read, comprehend what they are reading and put what they have read into action.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Or, not. Coaching is for people that can't research, read, comprehend what they are reading and put what they have read into action.
        Many times Coaching can really accelerate a Person's success. As it's been said: "Work smart, not hard."
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Many times Coaching can really accelerate a Person's success. As it's been said: "Work smart, not hard."
          Right. That's for lazy people. Another trite cliché to live your life by. No thanks.

          Work smart and hard. Best chance of success. Most people fail because they are averse to hard work and are looking for the 'magic button.'

          Has that advice worked for you - or is that something you just tell other people to live by? :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            Work smart and hard.
            Exactly: Well said.

            Many People are working hard ... However if they were to work "smart" they would achieve their goal(s) much faster,

            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            Has that advice worked for you - or is that something you just tell other people to live by? :-)
            I made the decision to stay with my current venture no matter what happens (and have literally spent months and months putting it all together) ... Perhaps I'm just stubborn (Lol)
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Perhaps I'm just stubborn (Lol)
              That's one word for it I guess. I have others at the ready.

              Let's be honest. You have spent months and months and months and months - NOT putting it together.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Let's be honest. You have spent months and months and months and months - NOT putting it together.
                Wrong. After all my work (etc.) my venture will (hopefully) be successful --
                no matter what you think or say.

                Some People like to build People up while others are just miserable
                and enjoy bringing People down. (It's sad, really.)

                Jonathan
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Wrong. After all my work (etc.) my venture will (hopefully) be successful -- no matter what you think or say.
                  It's a figment of your imagination. Show us something. A single page from your website(s). Anything. Prove me wrong. Make a fool of me. I can take it. lol

                  (It's sad, really.
                  Yes, deluding yourself on a daily basis is quite sad.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    It's a figment of your imagination. Show us something. A single page from your website(s). Anying.
                    It's a collection of Health and Well-Being eBooks I have invested the Master Resale Rights to. (I've created the Sales Page and am almost finished editing/formatting all the eBooks) ... And creating a final eBook containing all of the most valuable information.

                    Should all finally be done in approx. 3 weeks.
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      It's a collection of Health and Well-Being eBooks I have invested the Master Resale Rights to. (I've created the Sales Page and am almost finished editing/formatting all the eBooks) ... And creating a final eBook containing all of the most valuable information.

                      Should all finally be done in approx. 3 weeks.
                      I thought this was about using your life experience in regards to certain health related issues that you were going to share to help others, but OK. Anything is better than nothing.

                      I've marked the date on my calendar. I hope it goes well. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Or, not. Coaching is for people that can't research, read, comprehend what they are reading and put what they have read into action.
        I'd agree with that most of the time but it all depends on the subject. For example I've coached SEO and sold SEO training. Those I coached were more successful as a percentage. Many times theres one or two questions that some training or article doesn't address that stops you in your track and then you get distracted and never move on from. Coaching is just one question away and it can be as specific to your situation as you want it to be.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I'd agree with that most of the time but it all depends on the subject. For example I've coached SEO and sold SEO training. Those I coached were more successful as a percentage. Many times theres one or two questions that some training or article doesn't address that stops you in your track and then you get distracted and never move on from. Coaching is just one question away and it can be as specific to your situation as you want it to be.
          SEO is a beast, unto itself. I would never challenge your assertion.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by Trey Morgan View Post

      Pay an arm and leg for coaching. Sometimes the thing you don't want to do is exactly what you need to do to be successful.

      Follow me on Twitter.

      You owe me six thousand dollars, and one Cadillac.
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  • Profile picture of the author ianternet
    11 years is a long time but what and how many hours did you work did you just absorb info like waaay too much info that it got you lost? did you try just one thing and try to make some profit? if you bounced around too much then it can be an issue, I stuck to eBay stores back in the day and learned from that then moved onto affiliate marketing. but 11 years, sometimes you just gotta take your lost and move one - this isnt for everyone. I know it might sound negative but it took me 2 years and that was working 3 jobs. not everyone is meant to be number 1.

    you will see positive stuff keep going but for how long, did you have the right mentor? so many things but if you felt you have done your best. it is time to hang up the hat. if you want to chat hit me up
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  • Profile picture of the author Saroj Mahala
    Same here,
    Its almost 5+ years and zero results.
    But i know why i failed!
    1. Only searched about ways to make money money / inetnet marketing /blogging etc (Not implemented)
    2. Whatever i implemented worked fine for me (a blog, seo gigs, social media marketing)

    Right now i am working on my of my website to sell "Social media Services"

    I know the era is not in my favour, but what to do!

    can any one suggest me ? what i can do to promote my website social kaya.com
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    I don't understand how people could go 2, 5 or 11 years without making any money/profit.

    Maybe they're confusing thinking about doing something with actually doing something?
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't understand how people could go 2, 5 or 11 years without making any money/profit.

      Maybe they're confusing thinking about doing something with actually doing something?
      Thinking, dreaming, talking and making excuses for not doing anything.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Thinking, dreaming, talking and making excuses for not doing anything.

        That's what I figure. These yearly numbers being posted aren't actual years of doing something (they can't be), they're years when they first found out money could be made online which is useless info.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrederikSG
      All just people do not know how to make money now, everyone works and works they think that tomorrow they will make money and so every day for 11 years!))
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  • Profile picture of the author ConAgatho
    What is ur product? Pls share ur websites link and what u wish to achieve..wuld try to help
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  • Profile picture of the author Asad Meah
    You should pick one thing.
    Get a mentor who has succeeded in that one thing.
    And do what they say so that you get the same results as them.
    Emulate what works.

    You can do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author alaxedk
    I'm curious, how did you manage to live those 11 years without an income?
    Feels sad to read this tho... I hope you find a way to make some good money brother.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnthonyMancuso
    Hey enigmamach,

    My advice would be to develop and truly MASTER a marketable skill online and get world-class at it. This can be:

    1)SEO
    2)PPC
    3)Email Marketing

    And the list goes on...

    If you've been doing this for 11 years without success you're spending your time on non-profitable activities (or not doing them right).

    You really need to pick one business model that you know is profitable and drill down really deep with that ONE thing and truly master it.

    For me when I got started I knew someone that I trusted that was having really good success with local leadgen (pay per call) so I put everything into it. I failed A LOT. Lost quite a bit of money...but I fine-tuned and tweaked my system and made 'in flight adjustments' until I was successful.

    This is the part most people screw up horribly. They do something and because they're not succeeding with it right away the jump ship to the next shiny object or opportunity.

    I also had this struggle myself I think we all do.

    Ultimately I think the point you are at right now is good...because the frustration and pain that you are feeling right now is what's going to be necessary to make a REAL change and start moving in a direction that's more beneficial to you.

    Anyway that's just my 2 cents, for what it's worth.

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  • Profile picture of the author nicoli
    Choose what you are passionate about and stick with it. There's nothing worse than getting out of bed to pound out another 12 - 14 hours on something you don't feel strongly about. You won't get as far as you will with something that truly strikes a chord with you.

    Also, if marketing is not your cup of tea and you have had limited success, then consider creating a product and getting successful marketers to promote it instead.

    101 ways to skin a cat and make a living online, but in my 20 years online, I've found the most success when focusing on things that I truly love and can constantly get better at.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I think self awareness is probably the most important attribute to have if you want any form of success in this business.

    I spent from 2001 to 2005 reading, learning (this was before you could find a video on ANY subject...plus I had dial up and videos were slow ) and trying all sorts of things part time while working my day job. My days were pretty much this:

    Up at 4 am. Shower, breakfast.
    4:30 - work on my on line business in some form
    6:15 - off to my day job
    4:00 pm - home from day job and back on the computer
    Dinner break at about 6
    Back to the computer until probably midnight
    Bed
    Rinse and repeat.

    Every
    Damn
    Day

    Made a few bucks web hosting
    Made a few bucks being a script installer (back in the days before PHP and auto installers)
    Made a few bucks building crappy websites

    In 2005 I had a breakthrough. I went to my first event. I made contacts. Based on what I learned there I built a website and got all of the speakers from that event to contribute one of their products for a "firesale" (popular back then). I made over $16,000 in 2 days.

    Over the next few years I went to more events and made MANY connections. I have a "guru" rolodex many would die for. I even went to work for one of them full time (and left my "real world" job). But even with the ensuing successes I learned a few things about myself and this business.

    I had success when I partnered with someone. This is because I realized that creatively, I lacked ideas and talent. Technically, I was very good. So I partnered on projects where I did all the backend work. This worked because I learned that I really SUCKED and marketing too. My strengths were relationships. I had some darn good ones.

    I also found that having a successful product launch is great. But while you have one that's making sales, you'd better be working on your next launch - or two. Sales drop for most people.

    Finally I learned that I really didn't like the field anymore. Working for successful people in this field I saw a side I was not happy with. No details, but some of what I learned...well, it's not who I am.

    Subsequently, I went back to the work I was doing before the internet - only this time as an independent. I rediscovered how much I love doing the work I do. And how freakin good I am at it. And how many contacts I have in THIS line of work. Which, by the way, if you didn't catch the underlying thing there, CONTACTS are very important.

    These days, my business has one full time employee, a couple of contractors and some pretty darn good customers. I make way more money than in any other time in my life - but more importantly, I am happy.

    I still enjoy the internet, but now I focus on ONE website. When I make the time for it.

    So, ask yourself what the REAL reason(s) is(are) why after 11 years you have no success. Be self aware and above all, honest with yourself. This business is NOT for everyone. If you "fail" at it, so what? Try something else. No one said you had to be good at everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author c4cyber
    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    Iv'e tried everything. None of them seem to work.
    Doing same thing again and expecting different result won't work.


    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. I would consider partnering with someone but I understand people don't have time to mentor without having to pay an arm and a leg.
    I don't want to be rude but no one really cares

    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    I'm just frustrated.
    Finally! that's good.

    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    My last (current) business is just a website I designed that is a culmination of what I have learned over the years and sharing it with people through a free course. People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars.
    why for free? start charging for it. yah, ppl use affiliates who market and sell those S** products

    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    What am I doing wrong?
    well, nothing... may be you are just not lucky in online thing.

    Originally Posted by enigmamach View Post

    I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet and the potential it has to give people like me who want to help other people. Thanks for any advice in advance.
    Only you can give your self an advice - practial and honest.
    You know what you need to change and how you are going to do that.
    Listen to your brain not to your heart.
    Stop. Calm Down and take a journal - write down all your problems, failures, why you think you failed
    and think clearly that should you do it again? and for how long you can AFFORD to have series of FALIURES.


    Life is too short to take chances all the time.
    Be realistic, set goals and set DEADLINES.
    No more experiments.

    what advice you will give to ten-year old younger yourself??
    try that...
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    One last thing. Dont' compare yourself to others.
    Everyone is different.
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  • Profile picture of the author 100jancic
    Stop jumping from one money making method to the next one... You were doing that for last 11 years... Enough is a enough! First thing you absolutely need to do is to STOP everything you are doing right now and take a few steps back so you can have a good perspective of yourself and what you've been doing for a past decade.

    One of your main problems is that you were TRYING everything... Stop trying things and instead of start doing things... First thing first, don't look at the last 11 years as a failure and a complete waste of time, because it isn't... Look at it as a great learning experience...

    You got to learn bunch of stuff that can come handy to you in future and that you don't even realize it at this moment... So that's your first starting point, to change your attitude from frustration to being positive... Remember you can look at any situation from a positive and a negative side, so erase any negativity and start from a clean sheet.

    Since you tried so many different things, decide which one is the one you liked the best and which one is resonating the best with you. When you decide what it is that you want to start doing, the next thing is to stop trying to do it and to just do it...

    What does that mean? - When someone is trying something, usually it means they learn everything they can about it, then start implementing stuff they learned, then they come to their first failure, they see the things are not working and then they stop doing it and they finally quit. That is a behaviour pattern that needs to be broken.

    So to be successful at anything whether it is a an online or a offline venture of any kind you need to have a right mindset. Success will not come easy to you. and it's because you didn't had a right mindset in the past and that is not something that it is easy to change... but it is not impossible... It's all on you... IF you are willing to change your mindset, you will manage to succeed...

    First do a research, about your selected method, don't overwhelm yourself with information, keep everything as simple as possible, watch out and keep away from information overload, determine key points of the money making strategy and concentrate on those... When you have failures don't get discouraged but instead look forward to them as a new possibility to learn something and overcome it... in that way you will build your knowledge and character and over time you will become a success.

    I wish you good luck on your road and hope to see you back here in a 6 month period with a success story.
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  • Profile picture of the author missmystery
    It's so easy to watch hundreds of thing, jump onto new ideas.

    The times I've made anything are the ones were I've watched one youtube video then actioned it before doing something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author mfarg
    After wading through the waters of this thread, here's my two cents.

    To succeed, any business must sell. Cash flow is the lifeblood of a business. If you aren't selling, you are a charity instead of a business. The only way to sell consistently is to offer one or more products that people either need or want badly enough to give their money in exchange to receive.
    Someone said that you need to take what you are offering for free and make it a paid product. I totally agree, provided it is valuable enough for someone to buy. If it isn't, then you need to beef it up so that it is valuable enough to buy. You should be able to do this in less than a week.

    I also agree that your freebie should be a small portion of the product- a cheat sheet or summary that doesn't give away the farm but shows that you know what you're talking about and leads them to want the product. At the end of the giveaway, you have a link to the product salespage.
    So, in 7-10 days you should be able to have the following in place (assuming you have a domain name and a hosting account):

    1. a simple giveaway

    2. squeeze page offering your giveaway

    3. download page for accessing the giveaway
    4. full product
    5. salespage for your product
    6. product download page
    7. auto-responder account with 5-7 emails delivered over the first 7-10 days someone gets your freebie.

    These are the bare minimum for a im business. You shouldn't even think about traffic until you have this in place.
    Once these are in place, you shift focus to getting as many interested people as possible to your squeeze page. How? Simply by finding out where your potential customers are online and placing content with links there. This could be mutual interest sites, forums and blogs, you tube, social media groups, etc. Follow, make friends with, and join with those who are doing something similar to you or who are interested in your topic/niche.

    You should be able to easily put up 5-10 pieces of content every day if you have a couple of hours to devote on a daily basis. If you aren't getting decent traffic to your site within a month or two, you either aren't posting at the right places or your niche is non-responsive/dead. If you get traffic but no conversions, then your offer's no good. Tweak it until people bite.

    Once you have subscribers, you write 3-5 new emails a week and add them to your a/r series so that new subs will get them automatically. Start communicating with your list by asking them questions in your emails that request a response. As you build relationship with them, find out what they need and/or want. If you do this right, you should have a few coaching clients in a short while.

    At this point you have a real business with real momentum bringing in some real money. As you work with your clients you will gain the insights you need to expand your product line and coaching program(s) to reach your income requirements.



    Go get 'em tiger!

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    OP, what exactly have you BUILT and did you try to OPTIMIZE what you built?
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    On what method you spent most of your time and how far did you go?
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    i think you will come back, that is what my intuition is saying.

    Go away, have a rest, when you are ready write down what you did wrong, and how you can fix it, if you can fix it come back with a breath of fresh air and go at it again.

    Life and business is not a destination but a JOURNEY my friend, so just realise there is more ups and downs, until the day you die. But make sure you prepare yourself for more of them, and keep going.

    Whatever you decide, I am sure your HIGHER SELF has a reason for it. SO either way, enjoy. All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author yaweil
    Hey man,

    I get it, we've all been there (I guess). But 11 years is a very long time and show enormous stamina on your part.

    Out of curiosity: What's the longest you've spent on one single venture?
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      People are so wrong here. Blog, seo ug! free traffic ads uff!!

      You know the net is already filled with billions of web pages of dubious content. Can you be noticed? no!!

      B2B model is the answer. I and my company (started 2 months back!) help companies create ads (video ads). We process some 100 ads ($30x100=$3000) per day. Most of it is profit. We want to scale it up to 500 ads/day in the next six months!!.

      I spent my first five years not to making any money at all, but developing skills and knowing the market. It's now done, and I am being able to creating traction.

      If you want to make money online, create great products (not info strictly).
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  • Profile picture of the author takanomi
    I think the real problem is a lack of clear, distinct value that you're offering in the marketplace. I don't get a sense of a clear USP from you're saying.

    I'm not too sure what you're tried in the past, but it sounds like the usual 'make money online' niche. The problem is it's stuffed full of people who've never really made much or any money online, 'teaching' others how to do it, believing that's the only way to make money online, while ignoring the wealth of opportunity that actually exists if they approach it differently.

    I know that sounds a bit harsh, but it's meant in a constructive way. I'm tired of seeing people waste years and years down this road, when they usually have so much more to offer based on their own unique experiences.

    My recommendation?

    Ignore all the 'make money online' stuff. It serves the people selling the courses, and not much else. Sure, some people are successful with it. Ignore them. Define your own path. Create a real business based on YOU, not them.

    My bet is you have some real value to offer to the world, a real voice. If there was no Internet, what would really do with your time? What really excites you, what do you have passion for, what would you do even if no one paid you to do it?

    Create a blog around this topic, and keep creating content for it. Build an audience around you and what you stand for. Start building an email list as you do so, and keep in communication with them.

    Don't worry about making money for now, just build that audience, a loyal following.

    Over time, you'll then be able to start monetizing that audience in different ways, preferably selling your own products and services to them.

    But, please approach it as a real business. Too many sites are just covered in affiliate ads for one thing or another and look so cheap, it's not surprising they struggle.

    Model successful blogs out there which are NOT in the make-money-online niche. I'd urge you to ignore this niche completely. Find some great blogs via Twitter, clicking around you'll find people doing all sorts of things, like traveling the world on the strength of a travel blog.

    Look for blogs doing 6 figures plus a year which are in different niches. They're not hard to find information about online, as many of them publish monthly financial/progress reports. Study them and model their approach. You'll note they're not plastered in affiliate and CPA offers. Instead, they focus on creating content, building their email list, and developing relationships with their audience across different platforms--and then usually, selling their own products and services to them, including membership sites and so on.

    (You'll notice most of them don't rely on affiliate stuff, CPA offers and so on.)

    Finally, don't see your 11 years as wasted or as one long failure. A lot of it has taught you what not to do, that's really valuable. But I'm sure a lot of it has also given you some key skills that when applied to a real niche, and approached as a real business, will make those 11 years seem a lot more worthwhile.
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