I know it feels so tough and frustrating sometimes. Honest; it took me many years to find my flow.

My genuine, heartfelt advice; feel your deepest fears because the fears fuel your struggles. When the fears come and go, you raise your energy from fear-failure-struggle-nightmare to love-success-ease-fun. But until you purge the fear energy, no matter what you read, do or buy, you will fail horribly, because you cannot outfox or out trick your energy. Lesson offered from a guy who experienced many nightmares in this department.

Once you clear the predominant fear vibe, you will begin to connect with inspired folks, awesome ideas and yep, you'll patiently follow sound advice, working your rear off, to lay a foundation for a successful online gig.

If you 've been doing this for 11 years without success, then maybe you should take a break and try an offline business.

I will give you one advice. Get a skillset. Focus on learning a skillset. Can you learn

1) coding
2) copywriting
3) graphic designing


Start with getting a specific skill. Then, get some freelance work. Once you have stable money coming from freelance work. Start building some product and launch it.

I am feeling your pain! I've been at this for the same period of time, maybe even longer.... I find bursts of income and then they dry up! Sometimes the amount of time & energy invested doesn't equate to the burst of income at all, but I guess it's a bit like panning for gold, you keep trying until you strike a vein that could keep you going for life. Don't give up mate, I'm not going to!

Coming to the point to keep it really limited to what you need to read -

1. If you have really tried everything which everyone is making money from you maybe doing something wrong at some point.
2. If you still think you are doing all points really correctly, try moving your legs towards Product based work, go for One-on-One mentoring with a real product to move you ahead. Don't rely only on words but try them as well.

To be frank, everything works as long as you put your full caliber i won't say everything works perfectly and very high paying for everyone. Each person has different potential and creativity to implement each method they see or go through.

If you need real product or service based implementation for a real earning starting tomorrow let me know i can mentor you with my experience (not forcing you) but still i guess if you go with Drop-shipping or a proper affiliate marketing strategy you will make enough to recover your loss in a really less time.

I deliver like every week around 3-4 stores for drop-shipping and people are really making back next week! It has real potential every minute you walk, eat, run, think and socialize.

When you say you want to solve the problem of so many ... what problem are you speaking of and are you an expert on said problem?

Over a decade, same as me well l started online in December 2007, so 10 years 6 months, and yep tried tons of different things with similar results.

I think the reason some make good money with crap is they created a list/hired one, or made a deal, (l did that once, and got good sales).

But l agree too many gurus, giving too much of the same old advise, and not the "How do l frickin Do it" which is what everyone wants.

I started out with websites, then lists then PPC then more sites, then software, and did a few courses along the way.

Last one was flyers, which does make me almost $100 a month, but requires a lot of work, for a long time.

That is why l am concentrating all of my efforts into Online Stockmarkets, which l have to emphasize isn't for everyone, but if you can make it profitable then there is no ceiling, (but you do need to research your target or study graph lines, (including reading relevant books).

I tried it last week relying on reputable company's experiencing a low and going up, (not what l usually do) and overall, l lost money.

As l said not for everyone, but l am bringing across things l learned from my failed past experiences, and am making it work.

Annoying Questions:

Have people told you they are looking for a solution to this problem? Have they said they'll pay for it?

What is your competitor doing, the one who's making money, that you aren't?

Why are you offering your course for free? Have you considered that many people believe "low price = low quality"?

You haven't shown us what you've done, but I'll bet the copy could be improved. Do you have any idea where your process is breaking down (and the prospect is leaving)?

How much traffic are you seeing daily, monthly? If it's a trickle and you're agonizing over each and every blip, you're only hurting yourself. Just about everyone I've done a consulting call for over the years did not have anywhere near enough traffic to support their--usually vaguely thought about and not clearly defined--money target.

Here is a formula I learned from my mentor:

Success = Simplicity x Consistency

For example, you'll never get good at video marketing by posting 1 video. Just do it over and over again.

And don't overthink it. Dumb things down and keep it simple.

The best teacher is taking action and putting something out there. Your results will always differ from someone else's.

You then fix what isn't working.

Honest and practical advice, STOP.

You have a website. You are SHARING what you have learned over the 11 years with people via a FREE course.

People aren't biting. Not biting for a FREE course.

You want to solve the problem so many people are having...

Read that over, it is correct, eh?

Maybe you should take your own course, sort of PHYSICIAN heal thyself.

You may have learned a lot over the last 11 years, but one of them was NOT how to make any money doing any of it, right?

STOP. LOOK. And LISTEN.

This will be your railroad crossing, and get off the tracks, you'll get hit by the train.

Hontest, practical and USEFUL ADVICE:

Take your "course" and create a one page HOTSHEET, Cheatsheet, or a simple 2 page PDF file.

THAT is what you will give away for FREE. At your landing page, have a sign up form, and write some copy, then when and IF anyone signs up. Send them the file.

Step one. ^^That is actionable, doable, and a first step in the process. Do it. Let us (me) know, and I'll guide you to STEP two.

Can you, or are you willing to do that? See, I like to CALL some of the players at this table. So far, this month alone, NONE of them have taken me up. ALL came here; ready to quit, begging for help, seeking a mentor, and I (and others) availed ourselves for free...

NO takers. A lot of talkers. Which one are you?

11 years of failure and more of the same? Or DO something different and try another way?

Your call.

GordonJ

I'll keep it short. I have made about $80,000 online over the last 7 years. That average is just a little more than $11,000 per year.

I did this trying different methods such as writing ebooks and dropshipping. However, all of these methods had a limited lifespan for me. Today, I have closed most of these efforts and am only earning a modest residual income, about $2,000 last year.

MARKETS GET SATURATED

Markets are only good for a certain time then something changes. It can be saturation, it can be a change in a Google algorism, or Facebook rules.

You have no control over these factors, so you always have to be looking for something new.

The NEW must have real value and not be a scam or a wanna be course. It has to have REAL value and it has to be UNIQUE.

But most important is that if must have a MARKET. This is simple, but not easy. You have to work day and night and be objective and obsessed to make any income.

That's my two cents.

Well, I read your post and then your signature. You'll forgive my confusion.

Doing something without success for 11 years is NOT stick-to-it-iveness. It's masochism.

Regardless of what many here will try to get you to believe - no - not everyone can succeed at 'anything' if they stick with it long enough. You are living proof of this. Many, here will also tell you that even if you have to spend another 11 years at it, just shake things up a bit and you are bound to hit on success and that quitting is the absolute worse thing you could ever do. These people are dead wrong. They don't have your best interest at heart. They just want to sell you on a dream that doesn't exist for everyone. It makes them feel good about themselves and allows them to feel that they are helping you, when in fact they are advising you to fester in your misery. DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM!!!

Failing at a business venture does not make you a personal failure. Not being smart enough to come to an honest realization that it's time to march off in a different direction, well - that does make you a failure. All you are doing is prolonging your misery. If you are enjoying the feeling that you have when you wake up in the morning and go to bed with each night - then simply keep doing what you are doing and never, never complain about it. If you're not happy with your life - then change it. The very next thing you try might be something you'll be more successful at. No guarantee, of course, but you'll never know until you try.

Just something to think about.

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He's giving up but wants some parting advice for IM.

That makes sense.

How's that working for you?

A course on how not to make money in 11 years?

I see a lot of people who try to force something out of the Internet, just because it's there.

If you truly enjoy "helping people" then go down to the local homeless shelter or mental health facility and volunteer.

Honestly - sounds like you've been wasting your time for 11 years. Why would you want a mentory when you've spent ELEVEN YEARS consuming every article, video, podcast on making money online?

Your biggest problem is that you think being an "idealist" is going to get you anywhere.

"i want to solve a problem"
"i want to help people"

Slay these totems. Those slogans are meaningless. You want none of that. You want to make money. That's it.

You have a market here of people who want to pay people for SEO and IM services. Find a servicec they need and you can sell to them. Then learn to outsource that service and increase your margins. Then make some money and invest that money in a different business.

What did you think you were meant to do?

Regarding some comments here, failing for 10 years isn't a failure if you give things a decent shot and move on to try something else.

Failure whittles down things that you hate or don't work or would bankrupt you, etc, and that doesn't mean you put a self help book on the pulpit with some candles, and do what you love, it means having less and less options left, but the ones that are left are the best available.

So instead of mountains of hay to try out, you end up with a small pile of needles, (threading needles) and sure you will get pricked by some, but you only need one to turn your life around.

I can't tell you if you should give up or not, but l am down to one needle, which is showing a lot of potential, so l would advise you to keep going till you end up with one thing, and give it you all.

Good luck.

I doubt you've been "at this" for the last 11 years. I'm sure you've watched countless YouTube videos, consumed hundreds of articles and spent ages on "research". But starting a business? Tell us exactly what you've done.

According to your posts here, you ran a computer repair company in 2015. What happened with that? Some details would help us to pinpoint where you might be going wrong.

Just asking how to make "some sort of income" without providing more info or background is what rookies do. After 11 years, you should know better than that.

Thank you all for your responses. Looks like I just need to simplify things and look at what my original goal was and stick to that. I believe I lost focus through the years which made me jump around and frankly waste a lot of time. This has been insightful.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of failure.

Let's be real, you're not passionate about developing a product or service that solves a big customer problem. In other words, you may have a few mishaps along the way, but you simply don't want to prevail. Failure costs time and money and that's never a good thing.

It's time that you take a good hard look in the mirror, determine what went wrong, learn from the experience, and do things differently going forward to avoid a repeat performance. That's the key.

Making money online is getting targeted to right offer. If you are not able to do that then you have some work to do...

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Please lists the skills you currently have. Then explain everything you have specifically tried and the results you have received. Have you had any success please share more detailed information so we can help you.

Look, man, the only people who make money are the people who master skills learning to do them the right way, which means doing, reading, and watching people doing the skill over and over and over (people doing them, or the work of other people). When I'm learning a skill a read the same books every day over and over again, and practice for a minimum of 4 hours to really master the information and it's application, you CAN'T apply perfectly a recipe the first time, not even the second, and not even beyond the tenth

There are 4 levels you go through when you learn new information

-Unconscious incompetence, don't know that you don't know (reading or having heard about something once still is not knowing, knowing and not using is still not knowing that you don't know.)

-Conscious incompetence, know that you don't know (you understand why the information is important and why it works, usually comes from having tried something and getting an outcome, like testing the law of gravity throwing something.)

-Conscious competence, this is when you know but you have to use a lot of concentration to do it, it takes you time and you don't get results most of the time. (You start to apply the information in the real world and seeing outcomes which further your understanding of the topic.)

-Unconscious competence, this is when you do it without conscious effort (you are thinking about your stuff while doing it) and you always produce the desired result in the same time and each time faster. (maybe this is you driving, or walking from your job to your home after having done it hundreds times.)
THIS IS WHEN YOU MAKE MONEY WHEN YOU ARE APPLYING FOR A SKILL OR PROGRAM YOU ONLY SHOULD WORRY ABOUT PRACTICING THE RIGHT WAY, READING OR WATCHING THE MATERIAL TO EVALUATE LAST DAY'S RESULTS AND GETTING TO THIS POINT, NOT ABOUT NOT GETTING RESULTS, NOT MAKING MONEY OR ANY OF THAT,
when you do this then you produce the desired result which is value and value is money. Getting to this point is about building a habit in the brain, and you can do that as fast as you want to do it, you can go into sales for example and read, watch good salespeople and go selling outside for 8 hours a day and you can get to that point in 3 or 6 months.

AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN THE RIGHT PROCESS FROM THE RIGHT PEOPLE, THE BEST OF THE BEST if you become unconsciously competent at doing it wrong you are not going to get any result.

Know this that I told you works always, it never fails is the law of cause and effect, so you shouldn't worry again you know where the end of the tunnel is, is as quick as you want to master the skill, people will pay you because you're a person of value. Is the same with EVERY SKILL even non-business ones.

Hope you make a good reflection from this, this will completely change your life if you let it to, and if you have any other question ask me.

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I really admire you as you did try for 11 years - that's really long time. I believe there will be an opportunity for success to you really soon.

I suggest picking one niche and sticking to it. Are you starting a new business and then getting frustrated that it isn't making enough money a few months later, scratching it, and starting something else? If so, then that is the problem! Pick one thing you are good at and work with it. Get into affiliate marketing for your website or blog to help make some extra income to put towards your business and go from there.

Copy what is already working. Find those people you look up to and mimick exactly what they do. You can do this with products and websites as well. As Russell Brunson always talks about is to replicate what is already working. Don't copy word for word but you know what I mean.

I see these stories all the time. I struggled for two years, but then I figured it out.

Find someone who is successful and model what they are doing.

I tried many niches and couldn't make any money in them except for one: the niche that teaches people how to make money online.

Someone mentioned "panning for gold."

Well, it's like the old saying "Don't pan for gold, SELL THE PANS to the people panning for the gold."

In other words, when you are in the "make money online" niche, EVERYONE who wants to make money online is your potential customer, so it's like taking candy from a baby, so to speak. In other words, it's EASY.

And the most important thing is you NEED a list. Anyone who says differently is either full of shit or incredibly stupid.

And, unfortunately, sometimes you have to compromise your ethics.

Find me one sales job where you make a ton of money that you DON'T have to compromise your ethics, and I'll find you a priest that never once thought about sex!

The OP says he sees all the "gurus" making tons of money with their "shitty" products. Well, my friend, there's no reason you can't make a good product and do exactly what they're doing.

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I know its frustrating moment. You can start meditation in the morning. I felt good experience with meditation. Blogging never died. You need to feed more useful contents in your blog.

I think you might need to niche down and focus on specific ways and techniques to solve specific problems. Do your products and services align with the needs of your target audience is a good question to ask yourself and answer.And it easy to get addicted to information tutorials because every one seems to have the solution you are looking for which is not the case and it is confusing .And as far as giving up is concerned you might just have to pivot and navigate the direction you are going in in order to get better results .Atleast now you know what doesn't work so therefore you can can go through the process of elimination .

You have a market here, find things that people on WarriorForum and other IM forums want and market to them.. .then outsource, grow, and expand...

wait, am i repeating myself

Sorry you've had some tough luck.

I know you've shared some details but I think it would be easier to help if you shared more details, as much as possible on what you have tried.

Have you made any money at all? Had any successful campaigns?

I have come to realise something about internet marketing forums; don't ever expect help from the successful IMs once you paint yourself as someone that is not succeeding and don't have anything to offer to IMs.

They will never help you. They will rather curse you, abuse you, mock you and compound your worries with their 'I am too great' and 'I know it all' mentality.

The few that may try to help will rather recommend their paid course or offer to you to further enrich their selfish pockets. So expect less or no help at all from internet marketing forums like this place.

My advice, keep on reading journey threads here and on other internet marketing and business forums, follow their bragging threads, read their journey threads, read how to blog articles, never ask them how can I do this and that being a newbie or a novice because they will never help you without mocking you.

Everybody is a success, it takes different times for us to find our success in life because we operate on different time zones as individuals.

Australia is ahead of America, Asia, Europe, Africa....but each continent have their own successes.

So forget about getting help from the so called IM gurus on forums, they can only help by selling their courses and offers to you which might not still be the solution you need at the end of the day.

My greatest challenge in making money online has been my geographical location, if not, I would have joined the league of top IM earners but still I am not giving up until I find success.

Op, if you live in US, Europe or say India/Asia, you still have a great chance to make it.

Do you know what to do?

Forget about offering your guide to people because people might not be interested to pay for it, offer what majority want.

We are in the era of ecommerce boom all over the world. Offer services related to ecommerce and SEO.

Try drop shipping business. You can drop ship from eBay to Amazon or vice versa if you live in USA. It will liberate you financially.

You can hire people on Fiverr to write you ebooks on some hot in demand topics, then sell the ebooks on Amazon kindle, lulu, etc.

You can chat me let's brainstorm. I have great ideas only my location is my limitation. I really understand how hurtful it can be trying to make it without making it because I have been there.

Please don't quit, don't give up, try the things I recommended above or chat me let's brainstorm.

I wish you and others in your shoe the very best of luck and grace.

Have u tried Android apps? I don't believe u did. I can understand what u are going through.
I can help u get started with android apps. I will just guide u around and u can try them yourself.
Let me know if you are interested.
PS: I won't be charging any money since I will just be guiding u around and answering your questions.

There's no shame in admitting something is not for you.
Why continue to have your heart broken?
Maybe just move on, or find a way to use what you've learned for pure enjoyment's sake.

I think the way you frame is the problem

"People just aren't biting. I want to solve the problem so many people are having yet I see people with S**** products make hundreds of dollars. "

1st. People don't bite.... when you have a value proposition they will find you to buy your service.
2. Don't focus in "what others are doing"
3. I need honest, practical advice on how to make some sort of income online because I enjoy the internet --> this is a business if you enjoy it or not makes no difference. Just because is "online" doesn't mean you can generalize" . Is like saying I want to make a living "outdoors" because I enjoy nature. mmm that can be a Soldier or a Zookeeper. Very different both.
4. I have watched countless YouTube videos, read hundred of articles, and done hours upon hours of research. -> Stop watching, stop reading. How many videos have YOU DONE instead? how many blog posts have you WRITTEN instead?


So before we continue let's start step by step.

What is your EXACT goal?


how much you want to make and by when?

Let's start step by step. shall we?

Hello.
What you need to do is not read or watch a lot of educational material, but to follow 1 plan and take actions. For example a win win business is to build a blog and rank it. All you need to know how to do keyword research, all the rest is simple, write unique articles, do on page and off page SEO. In 3-6 months you will start seeing results. Hope that will help. Cheeers :-)

Focus on mastering the fundamentals of online marketing.

That would be:

-Branding
-Content Creation/Copywriting
-Lead Generation
-Customer Acquisition
-Relationship Building

Not trying to sound harsh but if you don't master the fundamentals your failure will persist.

If you need one on one help I highly suggest you hire a coach that can keep you accountable and on the right path as far as your income goals are concerned.

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I will give you advice that you should learn a skillset like coding,web designing,programming or graphic designing so that you may give your earlier skills a new height which will enable you to succeed. At last, my friend, just one thing. Don't give up. Keep trying.

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I can understand how you feel. Because I was at that stage in 2015. I started with internet marketing in 2010 but I also had a job at that time.

So I was dabbling from the sides trying to understand really how this business works. At the best I was not serious about the business but just gathering enough knowledge.

Then in 2015 I lost my job. I had to stay home for 5 months. During this period I accumulated debt over $25000 in AUD. This was not from trying IM products. It was from paying my bills. Paying for my family finances. Paying for my Mortgage. Paying for all the expenses.

Finally I got a Job in August of 2015. That is the time I seriously started wanting to make the IM work for me.

The first thing I did was decided not to follow any of the FREE stuff. You know that most of the free stuff is a bait for your email address and then the marketing that happens on the email.

As I started learning and spending money on the paid stuff, I came across the real gems of the IM industry.

I was following a simple strategy here.

At any time I would only enrol into a single IM program that cost between $50 to $250. I made sure that it had a 30 or 60 days money back gaurantee. I would then mark my calendar 1 day before the end of the Gaurantee. I would then do exactly what was said in the course. If I felt that the course was good, I would continue but if I had not made any money before the gaurantee was over then I would ask for REFUND.

That way I tested about 10 to 15 different products over a period of 18 months. After 18 months in 2017 I found a product where I made my first $189 commission and then $1250 immediately after that.

I unsubscribed from all the other programs and just follow this one program. I have been working only on this program.

With this program I have started my own Consulting, Speaking and Marketing Business. I don't claim that I have made millions or even a 6 figure income but good enough to quit my job forever.

Now I just depend on the above three ways of generating income for myself. The goal I have is to be able to earn about $1000 per day.

The only advice I can give you is find the right coach who can guide you. Sometimes you will not even have to pay anything for this coach. Then follow his advice to the T.

Hope you find the best IM system out there that can make your next 11 years a charm.

if you always do the same thing ... you will always get the same results!


so then and maybe it's wrong to insist?
to insist and to insist is not that which all the gurus say?
that's how it's right ...
but there is one thing, to insist does not mean always do the same thing but see what does not work and improve it and then change it and perfect it
grow from your mistakes,
failure is the best teacher, I've never heard any man of success who has never failed in the beginning

11 years of failed attempts are not 11 years of failures but 11 years of experience, now you know things that do not work.

it is said that Edison made 1000,000 attempts before inventing the light bulb


if you were edison would you stop?

now it is clear that from your experiences you have a 1000,000 attempts that went wrong.
you have to make that extra attempt, which does not mean doing the same things,
but every time something different, you have to understand what you're doing wrong.

Pay an arm and leg for coaching. Sometimes the thing you don't want to do is exactly what you need to do to be successful.

11 years is a long time but what and how many hours did you work did you just absorb info like waaay too much info that it got you lost? did you try just one thing and try to make some profit? if you bounced around too much then it can be an issue, I stuck to eBay stores back in the day and learned from that then moved onto affiliate marketing. but 11 years, sometimes you just gotta take your lost and move one - this isnt for everyone. I know it might sound negative but it took me 2 years and that was working 3 jobs. not everyone is meant to be number 1.

you will see positive stuff keep going but for how long, did you have the right mentor? so many things but if you felt you have done your best. it is time to hang up the hat. if you want to chat hit me up

Same here,
Its almost 5+ years and zero results.
But i know why i failed!
1. Only searched about ways to make money money / inetnet marketing /blogging etc (Not implemented)
2. Whatever i implemented worked fine for me (a blog, seo gigs, social media marketing)

Right now i am working on my of my website to sell "Social media Services"

I know the era is not in my favour, but what to do!

can any one suggest me ? what i can do to promote my website social kaya.com

I don't understand how people could go 2, 5 or 11 years without making any money/profit.

Maybe they're confusing thinking about doing something with actually doing something?

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nice post ever

What is ur product? Pls share ur websites link and what u wish to achieve..wuld try to help

You should pick one thing.
Get a mentor who has succeeded in that one thing.
And do what they say so that you get the same results as them.
Emulate what works.

You can do it.

I'm curious, how did you manage to live those 11 years without an income?
Feels sad to read this tho... I hope you find a way to make some good money brother.

Hey enigmamach,

My advice would be to develop and truly MASTER a marketable skill online and get world-class at it. This can be:

1)SEO
2)PPC
3)Email Marketing

And the list goes on...

If you've been doing this for 11 years without success you're spending your time on non-profitable activities (or not doing them right).

You really need to pick one business model that you know is profitable and drill down really deep with that ONE thing and truly master it.

For me when I got started I knew someone that I trusted that was having really good success with local leadgen (pay per call) so I put everything into it. I failed A LOT. Lost quite a bit of money...but I fine-tuned and tweaked my system and made 'in flight adjustments' until I was successful.

This is the part most people screw up horribly. They do something and because they're not succeeding with it right away the jump ship to the next shiny object or opportunity.

I also had this struggle myself I think we all do.

Ultimately I think the point you are at right now is good...because the frustration and pain that you are feeling right now is what's going to be necessary to make a REAL change and start moving in a direction that's more beneficial to you.

Anyway that's just my 2 cents, for what it's worth.

-Anthony

Choose what you are passionate about and stick with it. There's nothing worse than getting out of bed to pound out another 12 - 14 hours on something you don't feel strongly about. You won't get as far as you will with something that truly strikes a chord with you.

Also, if marketing is not your cup of tea and you have had limited success, then consider creating a product and getting successful marketers to promote it instead.

101 ways to skin a cat and make a living online, but in my 20 years online, I've found the most success when focusing on things that I truly love and can constantly get better at.

I think self awareness is probably the most important attribute to have if you want any form of success in this business.

I spent from 2001 to 2005 reading, learning (this was before you could find a video on ANY subject...plus I had dial up and videos were slow ) and trying all sorts of things part time while working my day job. My days were pretty much this:

Up at 4 am. Shower, breakfast.
4:30 - work on my on line business in some form
6:15 - off to my day job
4:00 pm - home from day job and back on the computer
Dinner break at about 6
Back to the computer until probably midnight
Bed
Rinse and repeat.

Every
Damn
Day

Made a few bucks web hosting
Made a few bucks being a script installer (back in the days before PHP and auto installers)
Made a few bucks building crappy websites

In 2005 I had a breakthrough. I went to my first event. I made contacts. Based on what I learned there I built a website and got all of the speakers from that event to contribute one of their products for a "firesale" (popular back then). I made over $16,000 in 2 days.

Over the next few years I went to more events and made MANY connections. I have a "guru" rolodex many would die for. I even went to work for one of them full time (and left my "real world" job). But even with the ensuing successes I learned a few things about myself and this business.

I had success when I partnered with someone. This is because I realized that creatively, I lacked ideas and talent. Technically, I was very good. So I partnered on projects where I did all the backend work. This worked because I learned that I really SUCKED and marketing too. My strengths were relationships. I had some darn good ones.

I also found that having a successful product launch is great. But while you have one that's making sales, you'd better be working on your next launch - or two. Sales drop for most people.

Finally I learned that I really didn't like the field anymore. Working for successful people in this field I saw a side I was not happy with. No details, but some of what I learned...well, it's not who I am.

Subsequently, I went back to the work I was doing before the internet - only this time as an independent. I rediscovered how much I love doing the work I do. And how freakin good I am at it. And how many contacts I have in THIS line of work. Which, by the way, if you didn't catch the underlying thing there, CONTACTS are very important.

These days, my business has one full time employee, a couple of contractors and some pretty darn good customers. I make way more money than in any other time in my life - but more importantly, I am happy.

I still enjoy the internet, but now I focus on ONE website. When I make the time for it.

So, ask yourself what the REAL reason(s) is(are) why after 11 years you have no success. Be self aware and above all, honest with yourself. This business is NOT for everyone. If you "fail" at it, so what? Try something else. No one said you had to be good at everything.

Doing same thing again and expecting different result won't work.


I don't want to be rude but no one really cares

Finally! that's good.

why for free? start charging for it. yah, ppl use affiliates who market and sell those S** products

well, nothing... may be you are just not lucky in online thing.

Only you can give your self an advice - practial and honest.
You know what you need to change and how you are going to do that.
Listen to your brain not to your heart.
Stop. Calm Down and take a journal - write down all your problems, failures, why you think you failed
and think clearly that should you do it again? and for how long you can AFFORD to have series of FALIURES.


Life is too short to take chances all the time.
Be realistic, set goals and set DEADLINES.
No more experiments.

what advice you will give to ten-year old younger yourself??
try that...

One last thing. Dont' compare yourself to others.
Everyone is different.

Stop jumping from one money making method to the next one... You were doing that for last 11 years... Enough is a enough! First thing you absolutely need to do is to STOP everything you are doing right now and take a few steps back so you can have a good perspective of yourself and what you've been doing for a past decade.

One of your main problems is that you were TRYING everything... Stop trying things and instead of start doing things... First thing first, don't look at the last 11 years as a failure and a complete waste of time, because it isn't... Look at it as a great learning experience...

You got to learn bunch of stuff that can come handy to you in future and that you don't even realize it at this moment... So that's your first starting point, to change your attitude from frustration to being positive... Remember you can look at any situation from a positive and a negative side, so erase any negativity and start from a clean sheet.

Since you tried so many different things, decide which one is the one you liked the best and which one is resonating the best with you. When you decide what it is that you want to start doing, the next thing is to stop trying to do it and to just do it...

What does that mean? - When someone is trying something, usually it means they learn everything they can about it, then start implementing stuff they learned, then they come to their first failure, they see the things are not working and then they stop doing it and they finally quit. That is a behaviour pattern that needs to be broken.

So to be successful at anything whether it is a an online or a offline venture of any kind you need to have a right mindset. Success will not come easy to you. and it's because you didn't had a right mindset in the past and that is not something that it is easy to change... but it is not impossible... It's all on you... IF you are willing to change your mindset, you will manage to succeed...

First do a research, about your selected method, don't overwhelm yourself with information, keep everything as simple as possible, watch out and keep away from information overload, determine key points of the money making strategy and concentrate on those... When you have failures don't get discouraged but instead look forward to them as a new possibility to learn something and overcome it... in that way you will build your knowledge and character and over time you will become a success.

I wish you good luck on your road and hope to see you back here in a 6 month period with a success story.

It's so easy to watch hundreds of thing, jump onto new ideas.

The times I've made anything are the ones were I've watched one youtube video then actioned it before doing something else.

After wading through the waters of this thread, here's my two cents.

To succeed, any business must sell. Cash flow is the lifeblood of a business. If you aren't selling, you are a charity instead of a business. The only way to sell consistently is to offer one or more products that people either need or want badly enough to give their money in exchange to receive.
Someone said that you need to take what you are offering for free and make it a paid product. I totally agree, provided it is valuable enough for someone to buy. If it isn't, then you need to beef it up so that it is valuable enough to buy. You should be able to do this in less than a week.

I also agree that your freebie should be a small portion of the product- a cheat sheet or summary that doesn't give away the farm but shows that you know what you're talking about and leads them to want the product. At the end of the giveaway, you have a link to the product salespage.
So, in 7-10 days you should be able to have the following in place (assuming you have a domain name and a hosting account):

1. a simple giveaway

2. squeeze page offering your giveaway

3. download page for accessing the giveaway
4. full product
5. salespage for your product
6. product download page
7. auto-responder account with 5-7 emails delivered over the first 7-10 days someone gets your freebie.

These are the bare minimum for a im business. You shouldn't even think about traffic until you have this in place.
Once these are in place, you shift focus to getting as many interested people as possible to your squeeze page. How? Simply by finding out where your potential customers are online and placing content with links there. This could be mutual interest sites, forums and blogs, you tube, social media groups, etc. Follow, make friends with, and join with those who are doing something similar to you or who are interested in your topic/niche.

You should be able to easily put up 5-10 pieces of content every day if you have a couple of hours to devote on a daily basis. If you aren't getting decent traffic to your site within a month or two, you either aren't posting at the right places or your niche is non-responsive/dead. If you get traffic but no conversions, then your offer's no good. Tweak it until people bite.

Once you have subscribers, you write 3-5 new emails a week and add them to your a/r series so that new subs will get them automatically. Start communicating with your list by asking them questions in your emails that request a response. As you build relationship with them, find out what they need and/or want. If you do this right, you should have a few coaching clients in a short while.

At this point you have a real business with real momentum bringing in some real money. As you work with your clients you will gain the insights you need to expand your product line and coaching program(s) to reach your income requirements.



Go get 'em tiger!

Michael

OP, what exactly have you BUILT and did you try to OPTIMIZE what you built?

On what method you spent most of your time and how far did you go?

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i think you will come back, that is what my intuition is saying.

Go away, have a rest, when you are ready write down what you did wrong, and how you can fix it, if you can fix it come back with a breath of fresh air and go at it again.

Life and business is not a destination but a JOURNEY my friend, so just realise there is more ups and downs, until the day you die. But make sure you prepare yourself for more of them, and keep going.

Whatever you decide, I am sure your HIGHER SELF has a reason for it. SO either way, enjoy. All the best.

Hey man,

I get it, we've all been there (I guess). But 11 years is a very long time and show enormous stamina on your part.

Out of curiosity: What's the longest you've spent on one single venture?

I think the real problem is a lack of clear, distinct value that you're offering in the marketplace. I don't get a sense of a clear USP from you're saying.

I'm not too sure what you're tried in the past, but it sounds like the usual 'make money online' niche. The problem is it's stuffed full of people who've never really made much or any money online, 'teaching' others how to do it, believing that's the only way to make money online, while ignoring the wealth of opportunity that actually exists if they approach it differently.

I know that sounds a bit harsh, but it's meant in a constructive way. I'm tired of seeing people waste years and years down this road, when they usually have so much more to offer based on their own unique experiences.

My recommendation?

Ignore all the 'make money online' stuff. It serves the people selling the courses, and not much else. Sure, some people are successful with it. Ignore them. Define your own path. Create a real business based on YOU, not them.

My bet is you have some real value to offer to the world, a real voice. If there was no Internet, what would really do with your time? What really excites you, what do you have passion for, what would you do even if no one paid you to do it?

Create a blog around this topic, and keep creating content for it. Build an audience around you and what you stand for. Start building an email list as you do so, and keep in communication with them.

Don't worry about making money for now, just build that audience, a loyal following.

Over time, you'll then be able to start monetizing that audience in different ways, preferably selling your own products and services to them.

But, please approach it as a real business. Too many sites are just covered in affiliate ads for one thing or another and look so cheap, it's not surprising they struggle.

Model successful blogs out there which are NOT in the make-money-online niche. I'd urge you to ignore this niche completely. Find some great blogs via Twitter, clicking around you'll find people doing all sorts of things, like traveling the world on the strength of a travel blog.

Look for blogs doing 6 figures plus a year which are in different niches. They're not hard to find information about online, as many of them publish monthly financial/progress reports. Study them and model their approach. You'll note they're not plastered in affiliate and CPA offers. Instead, they focus on creating content, building their email list, and developing relationships with their audience across different platforms--and then usually, selling their own products and services to them, including membership sites and so on.

(You'll notice most of them don't rely on affiliate stuff, CPA offers and so on.)

Finally, don't see your 11 years as wasted or as one long failure. A lot of it has taught you what not to do, that's really valuable. But I'm sure a lot of it has also given you some key skills that when applied to a real niche, and approached as a real business, will make those 11 years seem a lot more worthwhile.

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