Why you'll fail at clickbank.....Shocking true!!!!

by MaryT
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Hi warriors,

time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

here is what i found for the health information products:
--you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

the most interresting information from this spy session,
in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

my 22 cents
Mary
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
    Where in the world is Clickbank Myth #2? Anyway what about the counter on the clickbank homepage of how much they have paid out, thats not a counter of people failing.

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
      One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.

      The market for Clickbank is very over crowded - time to promote other things not shown on there.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaryT
        Originally Posted by Tony Dean View Post

        One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.

        The market for Clickbank is very over crowded - time to promote other things not shown on there.
        Tony tons of marketers have lost their shirt on PPC promoting clickbank products

        the thing i discovered is tha outside of clickbank you find products to promte that give you hundreths of dollars per sale. You can find tons of high ticket items to promote outside of clickbank when you dig a little bit
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        • Profile picture of the author James401
          Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

          Tony tons of marketers have lost their shirt on PPC promoting clickbank products

          the thing i discovered is tha outside of clickbank you find products to promte that give you hundreths of dollars per sale. You can find tons of high ticket items to promote outside of clickbank when you dig a little bit

          Would you like to share??
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          • Profile picture of the author Affiliate Portal
            Originally Posted by James401 View Post

            Would you like to share??
            Hey guys, the way to find programs like these are through brute force google searches. I have had much success like this. I love promoting outside the major networks. Less competition and more interesting products.

            Try queries similar to these:
            http://www.google.com/search?q="pays+%24100+per+lead"

            This is EXACTLY what I have taught on various webinars I have done on aff mkt.

            Good luck,
            Corey Bornmann
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            • Profile picture of the author MaryT
              Originally Posted by Affiliate Portal View Post

              Hey guys, the way to find programs like these are through brute force google searches. I have had much success like this. I love promoting outside the major networks. Less competition and more interesting products.

              Try queries similar to these:
              http://www.google.com/search?q="pays+%24100+per+lead"

              This is EXACTLY what I have taught on various webinars I have done on aff mkt.

              Good luck,
              Corey Bornmann

              I agree 100% with you Corey, just a little outside of the classic path search and you find some pure gems to promote.

              just do a little more search when you start and you can increase your ROI
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
          Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

          Tony tons of marketers have lost their shirt on PPC promoting clickbank products

          the thing i discovered is tha outside of clickbank you find products to promte that give you hundreths of dollars per sale. You can find tons of high ticket items to promote outside of clickbank when you dig a little bit
          This is a thread that was on here not too long ago about high ticket affiliate programs.

          Click Here

          This should give you some ideas.

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          • Profile picture of the author Hyaku_Man
            I never understood why people recommend high gravity products. Why compete with tons of affiliates? But a low-medium gravity product shows that it's at lest saleable, but not high competition.

            lol @ "my 22 cents" Now that's some confidence!
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            • Profile picture of the author MaryT
              Originally Posted by Hyaku_Man View Post

              I never understood why people recommend high gravity products. Why compete with tons of affiliates? But a low-medium gravity product shows that it's at lest saleable, but not high competition.

              lol @ "my 22 cents" Now that's some confidence!

              I think thos who recommend high gravity are the "make money online while seling products to make money online to the hungry crowd to make money online by telling them to repackage PLR report as they did in the first place"

              ususally when a marketer tell me to promote high gravity , it's a sign that he probably make moeny from just his product and not what pretend to have been done

              there are just too much people selling expertise they just don't have, the worst example i saw was a fake website flipper selling a 97$ product teaching something that he never really did.

              Mary
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              • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
                Originally Posted by MaryT View Post


                I think thos who recommend high gravity are the "make money online while seling products to make money online to the hungry crowd to make money online by telling them to repackage PLR report as they did in the first place"

                ususally when a marketer tell me to promote high gravity , it's a sign that he probably make moeny from just his product and not what pretend to have been done

                there are just too much people selling expertise they just don't have, the worst example i saw was a fake website flipper selling a 97$ product teaching something that he never really did.

                Mary
                Yeah, what she said.

                Probably some of the best points, to date.

                Really, really very important stuff to keep in mind and watch out for.

                A most excellent heads-up reality check.

                The 13 th Warrior
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by Tony Dean View Post

        One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.
        Sure it would for costly keywords; whatever that means. Keywords are costly only to the extent that they don't produce positive cash flow. But a 1:140 conversion ratio won't necessarily bankrupt a marketer. I can think of one particular campaign I run that converts at about 1:200 and it's given me 200% ROI for the last 2 years. It isn't my biggest breadwinner, but it's profitable month after month.
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        • Profile picture of the author MaryT
          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          Sure it would for costly keywords; whatever that means. Keywords are costly only to the extent that they don't produce positive cash flow. But a 1:140 conversion ratio won't necessarily bankrupt a marketer. I can think of one particular campaign I run that converts at about 1:200 and it's given me 200% ROI for the last 2 years. It isn't my biggest breadwinner, but it's profitable month after month.
          You hit the nail, the recurring ones can be profitable even at 1for200. However they are profitable only people keep their memebership for several months. And that's something that you just discover by testing.
          So you still need the cash for PPC in the first place

          experienced PPC marketers can manage to get a good ROI, but you must admit that it's a nerve game.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by mikeyman120 View Post

      Where in the world is Clickbank Myth #2? Anyway what about the counter on the clickbank homepage of how much they have paid affiliates, thats not a counter of people failing.

      Mike
      Good point, that's the money paid to affiliate and products owners

      this is just about Myth#1, if you go deeper the affiliate who still promote these top products using PPC, have a system in place working with low margin, mean it's ok if you have deep pockets. So if you are a mster at PPC and can pay 200$ a day to get back 240$ you can do it, if you have the cash. As the clickbank payment come later.

      again, some products have better conversion but i can tell you that the ones i mention are those in "health and fitness" top sellers

      Some others niches perform much better at 1 sale for 40 to 80 visitors.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by mikeyman120 View Post

      Where in the world is Clickbank Myth #2? Anyway what about the counter on the clickbank homepage of how much they have paid affiliates, thats not a counter of people failing.

      Mike
      Mike
      Myth#2 is for the next episode

      Just to clarify as some newbie don't undestand everything(i don't say you are a newbie)

      if you pay 7,000$ in PPC to drive traffic to clickbank products and you generate 4,000$ sales , you have lost more than 3,000$. And you have reduced your cashflow in the process, cashflow is the lifeblood of any business. The 4,000$ will add up to the counter clickbank put on their sales page.

      The counter show the sales generated, not the PPC Costs of the affiliates.

      Again, for newbie the advice is to avoid PPC as an affiliate.
      And if possible go for a product creation, this increase drastically your chance of success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    Actually Mary is right ... if you can manage to read that. Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail. In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well. Look for lower gravity, I prefer 5-30 and find a good sales page.

    Many of these sell WAY better than the high gravity products.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      Actually Mary is right ... if you can manage to read that. Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail. In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well. Look for lower gravity, I prefer 5-30 and find a good sales page.

      Many of these sell WAY better than the high gravity products.
      You are right Kevin, i had better conversion with product with gravity in the range 20-50

      somethings to consider is
      it's much more about the salesleter and the funnel process.
      Did they capture emails, exit popup, ...etc; but also the competition also play a big role.

      also the high gravity, is high competition and the visiotrs had more chance to being cookie stuffed during their search
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    • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      Actually Mary is right ... if you can manage to read that. Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail. In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well. Look for lower gravity, I prefer 5-30 and find a good sales page.

      Many of these sell WAY better than the high gravity products.

      Mary and Kevin,

      I agree with you both. I've been doing better with products with much lower gravity then 100 or above.

      Lol I don't put much faith in CB's gravity system because it's too easy to game that system, and that's been tr5ied and proven especially in the IM arena.

      To be honest with everyone, I do better outside of CB using independent affiliate programs in IM and other niches. It's like anything else, people need to do their own research and testing.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlo_sim
        Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

        Mary and Kevin,

        I agree with you both. I've been doing better with products with much lower gravity then 100 or above.

        Lol I don't put much faith in CB's gravity system because it's too easy to game that system, and that's been tr5ied and proven especially in the IM arena.

        To be honest with everyone, I do better outside of CB using independent affiliate programs in IM and other niches. It's like anything else, people need to do their own research and testing.
        I second that. I have been in the internet marketing game for almost 3 - 4 months now. Started promoting clickbank and cpa products but didnt have much success on both of them rather i started making much sales promoting physical products. market health also has a good affiliate program on health products. CJ is also one. Think outside of the box. The only way to earn big from this game is to discovera high converting niche where there is less competition. Rinse then repeat. Scale it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      if you can manage to read that.
      Yes, I can. dank you sirs!

      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail.
      For some people sure. Not for everyone!

      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well.
      Not if you have a big list. You can promote anything with any gravity and still make a killing. Unless your talking about on adwords.

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    Was going to ask the same thing. Which websites have affiliate programs for high ticket items, I'm interested.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      Was going to ask the same thing. Which websites have affiliate programs for high ticket items, I'm interested.
      for the high ticket item, you have to find doing an extensive search using google/yahoo.

      ok, i give you some that don't compete with me.
      if you go to the Amazon affiliate program, Amazon is a killer place for that as they have high priced products to sell.
      Killer tips of the day: go to the best sellers section and browse by section, you will find what people buy in amazon. now build a blog promoting these products, amazon provide you with all the widgets and there are some nice amazon plugin to star promoting these products.

      so getting 7 to 15% on a 1K-5K$ product is more rewarding.

      hope this help
      Mary
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      Was going to ask the same thing. Which websites have affiliate programs for high ticket items, I'm interested.
      High ticket programs usually have their own affiliate program.

      Their launches are much better controlled and micro-managed than just slapping up a clickbank sales letter.

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  • Profile picture of the author iplusgold
    I too have noticed the terrible conversion in some niches with clickbank and have often wondered why. It's left me wondering if alot of the sales and hops are not being counted due to browser issues or tracking issues or just maybe people were removing the hoplink affilitate code (before the encrypted links came out).

    I'm really not sure what the deal is but i recently ran a sales campaign using clickbank and the conversion was pretty bad and when I swapped out clickbank for a standard 2co payment process the conversion increased noticeably.

    So overall im not sure what the deal is but there is a noticeable diference (in the niche I was operating in anyway).

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    Ok guys as people are asking, the best way is to use Yahoo and Google search

    so if you have developped a website around "business advertising"

    i will make a search of
    "advertising" + "small business" + "Affiliate program"
    "advertising" + "small business" + "join affiliate program"
    "advertising" + "small business" + "Affiliates program"
    "advertising" + "small business" + "join affiliates program"
    etc.... you get the picture
    I always check Google and Yahoo

    But first, i will recommend your expand beyond clickbank by doing a basic
    "affiliate program directory"

    there are others directories that provide good converting program

    my favorite directory to find products is CJ .com ; I promote more and more physical products and services and do quite well with CJ.
    the biggest advantage of CJ is that by chosing the right program you really promote for the long run

    when you find a program outside of the "affiliates directories", i recommend you conatct the owner before promoting, as payment can be an issue.
    If you perform well with a gem you have found,
    come back to the owner and negotiate a higher comiission, no businessman will turn you down
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    • Profile picture of the author sdcast
      Hi everyone,

      i'm not trying to get off the subject of clickbank.

      but speaking of affiliate programs that pay $100 per sale.
      how about programs that pay $100 per lead!

      yes, i've found one at shareasale.com it's in the forex market.

      and i'm about to promote the heck out of it, once i get my website and marketing system set up.

      to apply at shareasale they require you to have your own site and site email address. they will verify this.


      just passing this info, along. plenty of room for everyone to make money.

      much success

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        Thx Mary 4 sharing. ;o)
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        • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          I do agree, at least with the refund rate. There needs to be a way for affiliates to gauge an idea on the product refunds rate.
          As per my previous reply:

          How would you make vendors do this ?

          and

          How would you know the figures are true ?


          But consider also this.

          If I have a competitive product to yours

          1. I can ruin your conversion rate by putting my
          affiliate URL in a traffic site clocking up thousands of
          useless hits


          2. I can increase your refund rate by

          a) getting lots of colleagues to purchase and refund

          b) selling your product by bypassing your order form with
          my own sales page where I falsify what the product can do

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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

            As per my previous reply:

            How would you make vendors do this ?

            and

            How would you know the figures are true ?


            But consider also this.

            If I have a competitive product to yours

            1. I can ruin your conversion rate by putting my
            affiliate URL in a traffic site clocking up thousands of
            useless hits


            2. I can increase your refund rate by

            a) getting lots of colleagues to purchase and refund

            b) selling your product by bypassing your order form with
            my own sales page where I falsify what the product can do

            Harvey


            You're a BAD MAN, Harvey! J/K

            You point out some legitimate flaws. My mind just doesn't work like that, so I give others too much credit for being ethical.

            Surely there are ways to combat those issues. Aren't there? It would probably be more hassle than it's worth though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Francois du_Toit
    Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

    Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"
    Ageed.

    However, I don't agree that your test results can be used as any form of proof that lower gravity products convert better...

    Fact of the matter is that a high gravity is an indication that a product has been converting for many different affiliates during the last 8 weeks. Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well.

    the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.
    This is a very generalized statement that I can't agree with.

    All the best,

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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by Francois du_Toit View Post

      Ageed.

      However, I don't agree that your test results can be used as any form of proof that lower gravity products convert better...

      Fact of the matter is that a high gravity is an indication that a product has been converting for many different affiliates during the last 8 weeks. Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well.



      This is a very generalized statement that I can't agree with.

      All the best,

      Francois
      Some people are very good at promoting their affiliate program

      but a conversion of 1 for 200 doesn't motivate me that much

      in fact i am buring to posts some links, if it was not this damn copyrights issue

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      I never say that lower gravity convert better

      I just say that Myth#1 is misguiding the newbies and even some advanced marketers

      when i read an ebook and the guy say take the higher gravity product and start to promote, i say probably he does not know much or worse he never had done it before

      promote an ebook product that convert at 1sales for each 20 visitors i send them. it has more to do with the sales process and how they are very good at capturiing the email address. the gravity is just part of the equation

      you have to use brain power when selecting the product you promote

      fact of the matter is that some products will not convert well becuase their sales page sucks

      --------------Here is what i know fo a fact:

      --You can trick the gravity number, so it is not as accurate; especially when it come to "make money online". The worst converting was a "Maverick BS maker" that put a lot of energy to inflate the gravity, i can tell you even how they have done it.

      ---having a high gravity can be done without any other trick than having a good promotion of yor affiliate program. This does not mean nothing regarding your conversion process.

      The conversion of the sales process and the Gravity and Popularity are just two differetn things

      that's my take on clickbank

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      why I love CJ, because you have a much more reliabel way to know what to expect from a promotion before even starting the promotion. Their numbers are much more accurates.

      You say:
      " Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well."
      Yes you will lose PPC affiliates, But you can still maintian a high gravity by tricking the system, and people who don't know beter will still promote your products. And if you are good at promoting your affiliate program you can rstill recruit more PPC affilaites.

      the only one that is guaranteed to not lose his shirt is the owner of his product, that's what i say. yes people make money with affiliate, but this post is a warning about the danger of not knowing the trciks of the trades.

      check the super affiliate "Ewen Chia", how much products he put on the market per year.

      I have been succesfully promoting a niche product outside of clickbank, and will launch my onw product in this niche next month to increase my profits.

      I walk the walk, so my Big Warning is keep aware that some people make money selling "how to make yadi yada with clickbank" ...
      ..when they never made a penny of what they preach

      my 22cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Richlion
    Those with high gravity means that there are a lot of people promoting it. here's a clue, look for those that are moving from page 3 or 4 up to page 2 or 1. that means a trend is showing and time to jump on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CBSnooper
    I've always gone for products with a gravity of less than 30. The market is way too saturated to promote anything above 100 imho, (unless you have a website in that niche that has hundreds of visitors a day with no promotion or ppc)
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Rayne
    I have a product with a gravity of 10. I have had more than 300 people to the sales page (more like 400 I think)

    I made my first sale on the first day of having my affiliate link on my sales page (I was already driving some article traffic to it.

    The problem is that I've only made that one sale. I thought I'd have another one by now!

    Why am I failing at clickbank?
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by Steven Rayne View Post

      I have a product with a gravity of 10. I have had more than 300 people to the sales page (more like 400 I think)

      I made my first sale on the first day of having my affiliate link on my sales page (I was already driving some article traffic to it.

      The problem is that I've only made that one sale. I thought I'd have another one by now!

      Why am I failing at clickbank?
      How many emails did you captured from these 300?
      did you know the size of your market in term of search volume?

      300 is just a too low number to start with.
      you can try to buy some traffic to see if this is related to your salespage, find some adwords/Yahoo/Facebook coupons for free PPC; it's usually enough to start testing your conversion.

      you have to learn how to cature emails and probably to redo the sales page. Try to emulate others succesful products or hire a good copywriter. A professional salespage can make a huge difference. Check your stats, how much time people spend on your site, if they spend less than 10sec you have not done a good job.

      you can pm me, i can review your salespage and give you some tips to increase the conversion.

      Mary
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    MYTH#2 = you just have to put a blog with a review template comparing 3 top high gravity products to retire in Hawaii next month.

    these review templates perform really badly, i tried the most nicely designed and they sucks in conversion(I mean 1sale in 400 visits, and very low clickthrough rate).
    They smell "I AM SELLING YOU SOMETHING", the best way to presell a product is to make a real review of the product as a customer, say what you like and what you don't like. You can add a bonus if it make sense to increase the conversion.


    so the Rule is to have one page focusing on one call to action,
    a confused mind = death prospects.
    Don't confuse your prospects by telling them the features/benfits of 3 products when they reach your page by searching on one product

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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    I compelety agree - on a overall revenue per click nothing including click bank beats adsense and a few CPA offers. On a per click basis CB has paid the worst. But that is just my experience. However having my own ebook on CB has gone very well.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by dndoseller View Post

      I compelety agree - on a overall revenue per click nothing including click bank beats adsense and a few CPA offers. On a per click basis CB has paid the worst. But that is just my experience. However having my own ebook on CB has gone very well.
      Yes, and now you can expand on your ebook customers to offer moe products to these customers. The backend is where the big donuts piles up

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  • Profile picture of the author Snow_Predator
    I've sent many hundreds of visitors to 2 clickbank weight loss products with gravity >200, and NOT A SINGLE SALE! Whereas some of the lower gravity ones who I myself deemed to have good solid salespages, HAVE made me a few sales.

    I should also mention that one of these high gravity products is probably the best thing I've read on weight loss, it just has an absolutely CRAP sales page. A shame to be honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by Snow_Predator View Post

      I've sent many hundreds of visitors to 2 clickbank weight loss products with gravity >200, and NOT A SINGLE SALE! Whereas some of the lower gravity ones who I myself deemed to have good solid salespages, HAVE made me a few sales.

      I should also mention that one of these high gravity products is probably the best thing I've read on weight loss, it just has an absolutely CRAP sales page. A shame to be honest.
      there is a way around, but you need some geek skills

      you can create a video to promote the crappy sales page, by integrating the direct payment link inside your own page. it's a little technical, but it's a technique some top affiliate use when they spot a good product with porr copy. You even have an edge as not so much people will promote a non converting sales page, so more sales for you

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  • Profile picture of the author John11
    Higher gravity shows more people are selling that product and the product has more sales? So is the answer is to go with a product with lower gravity?
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by John11 View Post

      Higher gravity shows more people are selling that product and the product has more sales? So is the answer is to go with a product with lower gravity?
      Nope, you have to promote a product that convert well.

      My point is that high gravity does not equal high conversions. That's what people confuse, and low gravity or any number does not equal good conversion

      when chosing a product you must not rely only on gravity as most "clickbank affiliates BS blueprint" mention, you have to use your common sense.

      a conversion of 1sales for 200 targeted visitors is a really bad thing when you promote products that have maximum payout in the range of 50$

      again for me the best converting products are not on the clickbank marketplace for my niches. and i prefer to rely on CJ.com stats and tools that are much more reliable for a promotion.

      if you are promoting clickbank products with seo blog.

      matter of fact is that the top products i tracked in the "Health and fitness" category in clickbank have horrible conversion

      i also spend some energy promoting some "make money online" products that have gravity higher than 100 and the conversions were just too low. the worst being the "Maverick BS makers"

      so, you have to check the market a little more to find out if the product really worth it.

      don't rely on gravity only for your product selection.

      I am writing an extensive report in my spare time, and will provide it for free next week.

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    • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
      Gravity is an indicator that sales are being made, but especially in make money niche, it does not necessarily mean that tons of affiliates are making sales.

      When there is a huge launch and everyone starts promoting to their list, high gravity can indicate that many affiliates are simply buying through their own links. Gravity would probably be a better indicator if the number only included affiliates who made minimum of 2 sales. Probably a good indication of a decent sales page....without that, even affiliates would not buy...but does not mean that there are a ton of independent sales at asking price.

      Even in unrelated niches, with so many Clickbank product owners adding HUGE OBVIOUS "affilates" or "earn money" links to their sales pages, even people who just discovered Clickbank 30 seconds ago end up buying from themselves.

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  • Profile picture of the author bbenson19
    Clickbank is a great way to learn how to market in affiliate marketing, but be wary of "online millionaires" who claims that this should be this and this should be that. You should always put yourself in the prospective of the buyer, if you are not convinced with the sales page , your clients wont be either.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    here is a product used to trick the gravity CBCentrifuge dot com ; this explain you how to have a high gravity real fast. And i know for sure top sellers products using this method to have a high gravity.

    in fact you can have a high gravity with zero affiliate if you use this method.

    a hint to spot the fakers is to check how much "PPC affilaites" promote the product and for how long. A high gravity with very few "PPC" campaigns running smell like a rat
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    in the "make money online" and "affiliate marketing" niche you find most of the gravity fraud.
    In fact Clickbank should find a way to sort this out, they will get more trust from the affiliates. for me , i prefer to promote CJ or others affiliates network product and it proved more profitable so far.

    some people have their own affiliate program and convert at a much higer rate.

    figure out, you promote a product that get 1 sale for 200 visitors; when there is another product that can get you 1 sale for each 25 visitors. do you see how much money you just lost promoting the wrong one.

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    I agree, you should contact the vendor before doing that
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  • Profile picture of the author graham41
    Mary,

    I agree-I'll give clicbank a miss -over-rated
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  • Profile picture of the author TommyBussey
    So, I think that part of what you're saying is true. However, I have an e-mail list in the Health and Fitness niche that I promote to using solely CB products. And, I can't complain about the results

    I think that promoting CB products is effective when you have a list who loves you and trusts what you say.

    Also, I wanted to add a quick fact about CB gravity. The definition of Clickbank gravity is basically this:

    The number in the gravity column refers to the lowest number of affiliates promoting that product in a given time period.

    So, if a product has a gravity of 100, that means that 100 affiliates were the least amount of affiliate promoting the product recently.

    My advice, take a look at sales pages your self! Screw the gravity levels haha They really only tell me that the market is mass saturated with affiliates promoting those products.

    Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

    Hi warriors,

    time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

    Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

    so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

    I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
    I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

    I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

    here is what i found for the health information products:
    --you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

    so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
    and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

    from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

    I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

    note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

    the most interresting information from this spy session,
    in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

    all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

    here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
    the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

    my 22 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by TommyBussey View Post

      Also, I wanted to add a quick fact about CB gravity. The definition of Clickbank gravity is basically this:

      The number in the gravity column refers to the lowest number of affiliates promoting that product in a given time period.

      So, if a product has a gravity of 100, that means that 100 affiliates were the least amount of affiliate promoting the product recently.
      This is incorrect for two reasons

      1) It's not affiliates 'promoting' but affiliates 'making sales'

      2) The gravity figure does not represent a minimum. It is just a relative figure.

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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        IMO, ClickBank should do away with gravity and instead make each vendor post their conversion rate and refund rate (lifetime and current month).

        I'm trying to think of an instance where gravity would be relevant. The number of people who make a sale doesn't matter. There are all sorts of real estate agents who make 1 sale every 8 weeks. But I wouldn't consider them a shining example of success when it comes to selling real estate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
          Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

          IMO, ClickBank should do away with gravity and instead make each vendor post their conversion rate and refund rate (lifetime and current month).
          How would you make them ?

          How would you know the figures are true ?

          Where would vendors get the figures from ? (I'll explain more depending on your reply)

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          • Profile picture of the author Lance K
            Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

            How would you make them ?

            How would you know the figures are true ?

            Where would vendors get the figures from ? (I'll explain more depending on your reply)

            Harvey
            I get your point, Harvey. It would be a huge undertaking and a giant PITA. And ClickBank exists to serve vendors. So I realize it won't happen. Just dreaming out loud.
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            • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
              Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

              And ClickBank exists to serve vendors.
              Well . . . you might be interested to know what ClickBank said to us
              at the ClickBank European Client Meetings

              Their first words "Without our affiliates we are nothing"

              Harvey
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              • Profile picture of the author bscbscbsc
                This is great, so good to see the truth coming to light, at the end of the day I have found one simple question to ask would I buy this if not I will not recomend to my list as they have similar likes having built my list from my own passions.
                How many more times are we going to buy how to make a million in two weeks, ebooks will always sell but clients love it better when you can find them real value for money products and that takes effort you owe it to your list
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              • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

                Well . . . you might be interested to know what ClickBank said to us
                at the ClickBank European Client Meetings

                Their first words "Without our affiliates we are nothing"
                I'm not surprised to hear that, Harvey. That's just what I'd expect CB and their vendors to say. But the truth is that without their vendors CB would be nothing too. Kind of a chicken or the egg type deal I suppose.
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                • Hi Mary

                  You appear to have overlooked the fact that you actually discovered the real secret to successful internet marketing.

                  It's a numbers game.

                  That's rarely mentioned in Get Rich Quick products because you can't do it quickly. When it is mentioned, it is usually incorrect and based on conjecture and not experience.

                  Converting with a positive ROI is just part of the equation. The real hard part is then replicating it a thousand times a day.
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        • Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

          IMO, ClickBank should do away with gravity and instead make each vendor post their conversion rate and refund rate (lifetime and current month).
          I do agree, at least with the refund rate. There needs to be a way for affiliates to gauge an idea on the product refunds rate.
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      • Profile picture of the author TommyBussey
        Harvey, thanks for the clarification I had actually heard the definition I shared from a few "bigger name" marketers and naively thought it to be true. However, I appreciate you taking the time to correct me. Thanks.

        Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal View Post

        This is incorrect for two reasons

        1) It's not affiliates 'promoting' but affiliates 'making sales'

        2) The gravity figure does not represent a minimum. It is just a relative figure.

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  • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
    All,
    Selling directly to unknown customers is one of the most difficult of tasks. You don't know them, they don't know you and they have no reason to trust what you're advocating.

    In today's online world, people are bombarded constantly with "Can't Fail" offers of one sort or another. It's all getting to be one, huge fog to everybody!

    That's why you Must embrace a more relationship-based marketing approach. In other words, our focus should be to get prospects on an email list and then to build a strong trusting relationship with them.

    Once your subscribers begin to like and trust you, selling them a related offer becomes much more likely and your conversion ratio will be considerably higher than PPC.

    Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author monty119
      Jr,

      I agree, relationships are the key to success in sales, online or offline. I'm pretty new to IM but that is one thing I have picked up, build your list, build the trust and offer only products that YOU have tried and tested. Too many times I get offered crap from the list that I have joined, canned emails with garbage product offerings, not how I want to run my business.

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Great post Mary!

    So what do you think of FatLoss4Idiots

    "The only way to earn big from this game is to discovera high converting niche where there is less competition. Rinse then repeat. Scale it up."
    And how do you find it Giansim?
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    • Profile picture of the author MaryT
      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Great post Mary!

      So what do you think of FatLoss4Idiots

      "The only way to earn big from this game is to discovera high converting niche where there is less competition. Rinse then repeat. Scale it up."
      And how do you find it Giansim?
      What i think , is you can make a lot of money creating a similar product

      but you need deep pocket to monetize it with PPC.

      I am not talking about theory, i have gone through a high end PPC seminar and i know how the PPC guys think and how they kill their competition, but you need cash to compete with the big PPC guys

      some peope say, that great i have an seo blog and my traffic is free. Yes, but what if you promote a product that convert 3 to 5 times better, you do that for the cash , so sometimes is better to not follow the crowd

      there are others affiliates directories outside fo clickbank, so you may take some time to find a better converting offer

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  • Profile picture of the author Learnanew
    I'll agree and disagree on different points but I agree with the gravity not having to be above 100 to convert.

    First succesfull product I ever promoted on Clickbank had a gravity of 12.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adeel_Chowdhry
    Myth #3: You don't need a website or a list to become a super affiliate.

    FALSE!

    To be making the money super affiliates are, you need to have your own products and have an email list!!

    This is the only way you can even consider making real money as an affiliate online.

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      Originally Posted by Adeel_Chowdhry View Post

      Myth #3: You don't need a website or a list to become a super affiliate.

      FALSE!

      To be making the money super affiliates are, you need to have your own products and have an email list!!

      This is the only way you can even consider making real money as an affiliate online.

      Adeel
      Adeel,
      I definitely have to agree here - All those slick sales pages hyping that "You'll make thousands a day without website or list" drive me crazy!

      I believe that the days of quick affiliate sales is pretty much in the past. These days, it's all about relationships (Hence the rise of social media) and building trust and mutual respect - in short, creating groups of 'clients' instead of simply buyers!

      Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    I tried Floss4id and didnt make a thing.Squidoo lens so maybe i did it wrong.
    I tried the greent thing[CB].,with a weebly website and articles,didnt make anything there either.My keyword,wich was my domain name,plus a blog,plus articles,3 weeks on 1st page of google for the keyword,number 3,5,and 9 position.
    Beat out Eza as they where #4 article.
    No sales.[probably the sales page].
    So,im still trying,right now im trying MagicOMup.WP blog,plus articles,still no sales.
    So,its basiclly a trial and error thing with me i guess.
    Ill go look at some lower gravity items.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    i received quite a lot of pm for this post, and thanks for the support of all the people

    Yes, the steady long term return is related to the relationship you establish with your customer list.
    Will you recommend the products you promote to a friend or a relative? Will you use them for yourself? This is probably the first thing sales manager teach to the salesmen, you must have full trust in your product if you want to be succesful in your market.

    You can not sell a Toyota car, if you think the best car is a BMW

    if you promote a product the secret of the top affiliates is to add value, by providing a bonus that complement the product. The guys who win the battles are the ones who will do a little more than the others affiliates.
    Puting a blog to promote a product is a good start, but why not turn the blog to his first main function, a communication tool where you engage your visitors and talk about their concern and main frustrations. the more you are inside the head of your prospects, the better you rely with them

    My 22cents for today
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      • Profile picture of the author MaryT
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Do you think that most Toyota salesmen wouldn't swap their own car for a top-of-the-range BMW if invited to do so? I think they sell Toyotas pretty successfully and profitably knowing that they're not the "best car", myself.

        You don't have to own or use something yourself, to sell it.

        If you did, how would they sell Lear jets? And how would skinny girls like me sell weight-loss?
        that's a quite broad question, and the answer depend fro everyone

        if you have kids a BMW is not the dream car for yo

        the best car for people is not the same if you are 20 or 50 years old

        I have a wealthy Korean friend who sell Hyundai. And there is no way someone of his family drive anything else than a Hyundai.

        by the way I drive a Peugeot 308 and that's the perfect car for me, i had a BMW320 in the past and it just not the good car when you live in a small city with kids; spent hours to find a place to park

        your dream car today won't be the same in a few years

        if you are selling a weight loss products even you don't need it, you won't be that proactive in the selling if you know the program you are selling just doesn't work or is quite inefficient.

        the point was that you can not sell efficiently a product or service you don't believe in.

        we are ll different and it all come down to what motivate you in the first place. some people are motivated by the money, some by the recognition, some are motivated to be able to help people, not everybody have the same motivation and some are motivated to make an impact in the life of the people they meet. They will all get dfferent results aligned with their own values
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          • Profile picture of the author djleon1
            The truth of Mary's original post had been staring me in the face for a few months now. I had been promoting several high-gravity products and have had around 1500 hops and ZERO conversions.

            I refused to acknowledge that most of the "guru" advice was wrong and thought I was making some mistake in my approach (other then promoting the wrong products). These high-gravity products must be converting for someone so why not me was my thinking. Now this doesn't tell me low gravity products convert better but it certainly is worth a try.

            I have been pleased with the ratio of traffic to my sites vs. the number of hops so at least I have been doing something right.
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            • Profile picture of the author MaryT
              Originally Posted by djleon1 View Post

              The truth of Mary's original post had been staring me in the face for a few months now. I had been promoting several high-gravity products and have had around 1500 hops and ZERO conversions.

              I refused to acknowledge that most of the "guru" advice was wrong and thought I was making some mistake in my approach (other then promoting the wrong products). These high-gravity products must be converting for someone so why not me was my thinking. Now this doesn't tell me low gravity products convert better but it certainly is worth a try.

              I have been pleased with the ratio of traffic to my sites vs. the number of hops so at least I have been doing something right.
              great work, but it si not all lost. you need to find offers that convert and split test them.

              Do you collect emails address, you must if you have good targeted traffic, just grab some 10 EZA articles and compile a report tonight to collect emails address.

              building a list make a huge difference
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              • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
                Okay, here is yet another ill-informed and unsolicited opinion concerning clickBank and its 'popularity' index . . .

                ClickBank is in business to make a profit - obviously. And, it's in their own best interests to push a products' popularity as much as possible so as to encourage other marketers to jump on the bandwagon.

                It's a lot like the testimonials you see on every sales page written today - "This Worked For Me and I Think You Should Buy It!" kind of thing.

                But, we need to ask ourselves where those popularity numbers that ClickBank is publishing really originate. I submit that they come from (mostly) marketers with large, responsive lists.

                Before a major product is released, all the big players with lists are contacted and offered a JV deal to send promotions to their respective lists - that's why, when something new is released, you get multiple offers in your inbox for the same, exact product.

                Those email 'blasts' represent the vast majority of ClickBank's popularity index. By the time that other affiliates get into the game, the "Crest of the wave" has passed and only the crumbs are left.

                Yet another reason to concentrate on building a strong, responsive list, don't you think?

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  • Profile picture of the author abelacts
    Mary, I agree with you that some marketers do pump up their gravity to make their products attractive to affiliates. All in all, only testing can tell which are killer products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    It's not about the gravity, it's about how you market the product, your target market and how you presell it.

    Plus it depends on your niche. Do you use bonuses? What do you give to your potential buyers that others don't give to them?

    is the product good? Is it a recurring product?

    There are a lot of factors... and most importantly, how it does convert? what's your EPC? if you don't know your numbers, it will be very difficult to make a killing.

    to your affiliate success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Jays80
    Mary,

    What was your sample size?

    "Premimum spying services" they offer you keywords some of the affiliates may be bidding on, Not necessarily keywords they are bidding on. Can these keywords convert for you?? do not tell me they convert and you are not bidding!!!

    200 PPC clicks & no sale, such people should not do PPC, they are beginning to learn PPC.







    Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

    Hi warriors,

    time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

    Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

    so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

    I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
    I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

    I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

    here is what i found for the health information products:
    --you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

    so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
    and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

    from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

    I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

    note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

    the most interresting information from this spy session,
    in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

    all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

    here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
    the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

    my 22 cents
    Mary
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    It reallly depends on your target audience and how you will write in such a way
    that will connect your audence to see the benefits of the product you recommend.

    I ever promote a clickbank product with gravity > 200 and few hundered %
    ROI using ppc.

    Of course, the angle that i promote to my target audience is way off from
    most affiliate marketers who are promoting the same product.

    The key to suuccess in affiliate maketing is understanding your customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    @ Franck , when i refer to 1 sale in 200, it's the stats from clickbank

    in fact with some the conversion was even worst in my case, as i mentioned i promoted a "Maveirck BS" that have right now a gravity of more than 200 and the converion suck big time for this one

    I agree that there are differetns numbers when it come to conversion and a lot of factor.

    So i am refering only to people who already have reached the salespage and didn't ordered.

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    @ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

    If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform.
    you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

    You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

    Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author Jays80
      @ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

      I know what kind of edge i can have,

      If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform. you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

      All above keyword tool are good starting point, i have had paid membership with 2 of them, and I cancelled them long back, so I know little bit it. ( BTW these tools can easily be misled by anyone with small script)

      You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

      I can copy buying keywords from super affiliates, Will they convert for me? That is more important question to be answered i never denied you get fair enough understanding of nice, But can i compete with a Super affiliate? That is more critical to answer.

      So, again if your OP is based on observation of keyword tools only, then that is your opinion not tested result.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaryT
        Originally Posted by Amfire View Post

        @ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

        I know what kind of edge i can have,

        If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform. you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

        All above keyword tool are good starting point, i have had paid membership with 2 of them, and I cancelled them long back, so I know little bit it. ( BTW these tools can easily be misled by anyone with small script)

        You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

        I can copy buying keywords from super affiliates, Will they convert for me? That is more important question to be answered i never denied you get fair enough understanding of nice, But can i compete with a Super affiliate? That is more critical to answer.

        So, again if your OP is based on observation of keyword tools only, then that is your opinion not tested result.
        @Amfire, I didn't post an opinion

        It is a report from real stats,
        Question:"how do you get these stats?"
        Answer: I just can not copy this information for copyrights issue.

        when i talk about the 1 sales for 200, i am talking about the top clickabnk product in "Health and fitness"

        with some products from the business section i had even worse conversions from my affiliates blogs.

        my advice is to search outside of clickbank, the best offers that work really well for me are not in clickbank. I will not post where they are, there are actually enough "affiliates directories providing" good program to promote; you have to find your nugget.

        what i usually do with "buying keywords" from super affiliates is use them to promote others product than the one promoted by the owner. If the niche is big enough i will create a short report to collect the emails address

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    Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

    Hi warriors,

    time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

    Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

    so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

    I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
    I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

    I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

    here is what i found for the health information products:
    --you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

    so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
    and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

    from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

    I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

    note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

    the most interresting information from this spy session,
    in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

    all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

    here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
    the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

    my 22 cents
    Mary
    I'm not disputing what you say, but I will tell you another myth! One I see going around here a LOT and that I have seen EVERYWHERE, that is NOT TRUE! The myth? That all statistics are the SAME!

    For example, let's say that the "BEST MARKETER IN THE WORLD" told you he is an affiliate for a site, and he makes 1 sale for every 1000 visitors. Maybe he DOES! Does that mean ANYTHING to you? NO WAY! Here are some things you have to consider:

    1. HOW does he advertise?
    2. HOW does he presell?
    3. What does he give as bonuses?
    4. HOW is he linking to the other site?
    5. What are the chances of a session crash?
    6. WHAT does he consider a visitor?
    7. WHY did that visitor stay?
    8. What's his sites navigation like?

    BTW I may "visit" a site a dozen times before I buy something. I have seen some VERY misleading ads, enticing bonuses, had session crashes, Sometimes clicked to get information, etc... ALL of that would spoil your statistics! If you don't OWN the site, and count only YOUR sales, or soon go to the sites statistics are given on, HOW can you be sure?

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis-White
    Ive noticed too, when I promote products with a gravity of over 100 It's taking me 100 hops and well over to make one sale... I have had better luck promoting CB products with gravity less then 15 or my own products. I can tend to make a sale every 50-60 hops... But even still it's a lot of work to keep consistent traffic flowing to keep making those daily sales
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      Something else that I see a lot of, is people recommending that you make at least $20 or more per sale. I don't agree, any salesman could sell something for $40.00 before they can sell something for $100.00. I learned this selling cell phones for commission for an affiliate company of Verizon. People focus so much time and energy into high commission products and pay little to no attention to the actual price of the product to consumers.

      For example, selling cell phones, there are those cheap phones you might get for a penny if you sign up to a monthly plan, the actual commission on those were like $25.00. Not much, right? But if you sold a high end PDA, you could earn $200 in commission, but they cost $800 to the consumer. Of course, every other employee was trying to sell these PDA's... and the people just didn't have the money for that. So, I could stand out and talk to people and tell why my cheapo phone is awesome, and I'd make at least 10 sales a day way easier, while my coworkers were busting their balls for this $200 commission they would be lucky if they even sold one a day, which was rare. Even if they did sell one, they would have to pray they didn't bring it back for a refund or get undercut by another person selling the same phone.

      So for Clickbank, people are aiming for these high gravity high commission products and then having to deal with a lot of competition, and in the end, they could just be selling a similar product lower gravity, lower commission, with a lower overall price to the consumers which increases your chances of selling to more people, and you could end up making more money.

      I'm currently doing this with a World of Warcraft eBook, instead of opting for the top eBook on Clickbank, I went with one of the lesser known ones with a decent sales page and I'm not doing too bad.
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      • Profile picture of the author jitterbug978
        Clickbank is definately saturated... I could promote the product with highest gravity and be successful... but why? That only makes things harder for me. I'm going to look for something that has an awesome sales page.. something new with low gravity. Then I could see twice the success and half the effort.. Me likey that.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    There are some thing that have been adressed by some advanced marketers here that are real eye opening

    in fact some advanced marketers can acquire leads at a loss. Because they have a solid funnel; that is why it is MANDATORY to build a list even when you are promoting differetns niches.
    Building a list and a solid backend for your niche is the way to go.

    just promoting product for the direct sale without collecting emails is a very though road and where your chance to succedd lower quickly

    Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
      Originally Posted by MaryT View Post

      There are some thing that have been adressed by some advanced marketers here that are real eye opening

      in fact some advanced marketers can acquire leads at a loss. Because they have a solid funnel; that is why it is MANDATORY to build a list even when you are promoting differetns niches.
      Building a list and a solid backend for your niche is the way to go.

      just promoting product for the direct sale without collecting emails is a very though road and where your chance to succedd lower quickly

      Mary
      Mary,

      I once read about a prominent online marketer who stated "You can take away my websites, my bank accounts, my cars, and even my house, and as long as I have my list, I'll be back on top within 14 days!"

      Money-making schemes come and go, but until somebody replaces email, having your own list is the golden road to wealth.

      Gosh! That sounds like a pretty good sig!

      --JR
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  • Profile picture of the author Josef_Benjamin
    wooooow..very funny thread.

    I like your sense of humor MaryT

    So...when something doesn't work for YOU, that means it doesn't and can't work for anybody else...even other affiliate marketers who DID find a way to market clickbank products successfully and come out profitably?

    I market with clickbank with no problemo and I make pretty good money.

    It's all in the approach and HOW you do it. And I gaurantee you, it's rarely the product itself that fails to convert, it's the marketer promoting it.

    I digress, I just hope there aren't many new marketers here reading this thread with any degree of seriousness and taking it for what it is...

    a grain of salt.

    back to work I go. cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Kiwigal
      Originally Posted by Josef_Benjamin View Post

      wooooow..very funny thread.

      I like your sense of humor MaryT

      So...when something doesn't work for YOU, that means it doesn't and can't work for anybody else...even other affiliate marketers who DID find a way to market clickbank products successfully and come out profitably?

      I market with clickbank with no problemo and I make pretty good money.

      It's all in the approach and HOW you do it. And I gaurantee you, it's rarely the product itself that fails to convert, it's the marketer promoting it.

      I digress, I just hope there aren't many new marketers here reading this thread with any degree of seriousness and taking it for what it is...


      a grain of salt.

      back to work I go. cheers
      I agree entirely, I promote both high and low gravity products on clickbank, it,s all the same to me, I soon discover which products are selling and which aren,t. I like clickbank and as far as saturation of some of there high gravity products, you just have to find your own space in that market.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaryT
        Originally Posted by Kiwigal View Post

        I agree entirely, I promote both high and low gravity products on clickbank, it,s all the same to me, I soon discover which products are selling and which aren,t. I like clickbank and as far as saturation of some of there high gravity products, you just have to find your own space in that market.
        You guys both didn't get it, but i'm not going all the length explain you why,
        i will look like your Math teacher
        you have to read all the thread, take some note and think about all the comments posted by experienced warriors, ther are a few gems
        after that i suggest you read some reference book about conversion like "tiny changes big profits" and you may increase your profits by 2 or 5 next month.

        my 22cents
        Mary
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Do CPA instead. Higher conversions and you can talk to actual people (affiliate managers) who can tell you what's converting.
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  • Profile picture of the author culvers
    interesting posts. I saw some great products and sales pages on clickbank, but was hesitant to promote them because of all the email capture business, i think a large amount of traffic you refer will be made a sale at a later date, cutting you and your comission out
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  • Profile picture of the author tools951
    Hey Mary T. I see you done alot of work to generate that sale with clickbank. Maybe you need to focus on targeting your audience that will definitely buy your product. These prospects are know as desperate buyers. You have to use atrractive keywords such as

    Cure
    Buy
    help

    These are only a few.
    To learn more click my signature link below my post.
    Any questions give me an email.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    You know many of you fail at one important step. YOU DONT BUILD YOUR LIST! Why in the world are you paying for traffic and working your butt off to make 50% commission and out of 200 visitors if no one buys your left with nothing but an empty pocket and well you did not build you list. At least find a way to build your list instead of hard selling someone there is a reason why there are articles, autoresponder series etc in many affiliate areas for many of these products. At least come away with something. More then likely you will improve your conversions as well by giving some free tips away or products just for listing to your sales pitch. Plus since you went out of your way to give them something of value for free they may feel more inclined to buy from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    Gravity should be used as an indicator only.

    The actual product,offer,sales funnel, and the copy on the sales page would be a better indicator.

    Unfortunately a lot of affiliate marketers still don't have the experience level to know whether a sales page or sales funnel they are driving traffic to would potentially have a good conversion rate or not for them.

    Also there is a big risk using in-house affiliate programs. Often the tracking sucks because the site owner doesn't know what they are doing (or doesn't care) and you also may never get paid by them for the commissions you earned.


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    • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
      Originally Posted by Frank Bruno View Post

      Also there is a big risk using in-house affiliate programs. Often the tracking sucks because the site owner doesn't know what they are doing (or doesn't care) and you also may never get paid by them for the commissions you earned. Frank Bruno
      Frank,
      On the mark here. Private affiliate programs - unless they're from a large, reputable marketer - can be shaky at best.

      This is where Clickbank and the other major affiliate distributors made their 'splash' in this business - absolute dependability with regards to affiliate payouts. If you can't trust that your commissions will be paid accurately and on time, you might have a tendency to stay away from the program!

      Clickbank has their problems - granted - but their dependability as to commissions has always been top-notch.

      Regards,
      --JR Rich
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