what makes people hate mlm?

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guys, what do you think makes normal people don't like MLM business?


or


if they don't like any particular things in MLM biz, what r those?


to see this from other people's normal eyes (non MLMers )


thx guys
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  • Profile picture of the author bimo pamungkas
    in my opinion, maybe they are scared or tired because their friend is trying to recruit
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    No one likes to meet a friend or relative for what they think is a social event and then have it suddenly turn into an attempt to get them to join their MLM. This results in the NFL club. (no friends left).

    Nor do they want to be sitting in the mall (coffee shop, etc.) and have a total stranger approach them about their "great business opportunity". It's creepy.

    However, I think the use of social media where people come to you and ask for more information is the coming trend in this business model. You still end up talking to people one on one - whether in person or on Skype - but at least they are already interested. Instead of being chased down or tricked.

    There are a lot of legitimate MLM companies. There are also a lot that are scams. People have heard about the scams so they tend to be wary. No one wants to spend a lot of time and money working with a company just to have it shut down.

    My 2 cents.

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  • Profile picture of the author zinakalna
    Because most of them are spam
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  • Profile picture of the author pagsoma
    Obviously because majority of them are spam, which run by some investors who can disappear any time they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Most people involved do not know how to market and network, so they do things that annoy people, as already mentioned, to make a sale.


    Because MLM's are represented to them as a far-easier-way to make money than it is.


    Because a bunch of them were in the news for being pyramid schemes (so, reputation).


    Because the product they bought was not good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Everyone's experience with MLM recruitment is different. Here's mine:


    Of maybe 30 or so MLM "pitches" I've listened to (not because I was interested, necessarily, but because the presenter was a friend or relative and I felt obligated to listen) . . .


    . . . not one of those 30 people was still in the same MLM a year later. What does that tell me? Few are cut out for this grind.



    Now, of course, some people make money with MLMs. But my guess is . . . very few actually make anything and the vast majority make nothing.


    Obviously, your mileage will vary.


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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    The marketing strategy that MLM companies push/suggest/force makes me cringe. One company said the only way you can market their product is through word of mouth. No internet marketing, no direct mail, no cold calling. Just get someone interested, and then have them sit down with your MLM business partner, and the partner will close the prospect on the sale - face to face.

    Too much work. I'd rather send out a postcard campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author Axel1
    Probably one of the biggest ones is that you will alienate family and lifelong friends. People will think you are stupid. And all that for a few dollars. Enjoy!
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    1. High Price.
    2. False Promise.
    3. Useless Product.
    4. Annoying Sales/Marketing Approach.
    5. Company Reputation.

    I think I don't need to explain the detail of them all.
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    Most people flame MLM aka Network Marketing because they have been burned by Pyramid Scheme Wanna Be MLMs that only focus on recruiting new people without any Premium tangible products or services to offer. A true MLM company actually offers a Premium quality product or service to sell and market, recruiting a sales force team is secondary. If you are going to join an MLM marketing join one that is called a Legacy MLM company that sells a superior unique product or service that enriches or improves your customers life. You have to be proud of the company you will be representing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Not all people hate MLM. Not all people even dislike MLM.

    If you're going to pursue a career in MLM it's simple... pay
    no attention to the people who hate MLM. Waste no time trying to
    convince them. When they start hating walk away... fast.

    Focus on sorting and sifting until you find the people for whom this
    is the right thing to be doing at this time. There are millions of them
    out there.

    It's as simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pablo Visconti
    I'm promoting an MLM that cost 0 dollars to start...

    It's a slow slow grind if you decide not to put money into say, traffic, for example, but it's also really really good to learn how to market online by NOT spamming.

    From my perspective, i invested nothing except time, i learned a bunch, i met my coach who is an AMAZING person, and i had a blast.

    It cost zero for me so i lost nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      You lost time. Ain't your time worth nothin'?


      Originally Posted by Pablo Visconti View Post

      I'm promoting an MLM that cost 0 dollars to start...

      It's a slow slow grind if you decide not to put money into say, traffic, for example, but it's also really really good to learn how to market online by NOT spamming.

      From my perspective, i invested nothing except time, i learned a bunch, i met my coach who is an AMAZING person, and i had a blast.

      It cost zero for me so i lost nothing.
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  • 1. Many of them are scam
    2. A very small percentage of people are successful in MLM.
    3. Most of the time you are selling/buying something which you have no interest/need unlike traditional marketing.
    4. Almost always overpriced products.
    5. If you work as hard in any other business, you can make it big without driving away your friends and family.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Fear.

    Someone sees an MLMer who had a bad experience, or sees a shady MLMer who is a rack 'em and stack 'em, manipulative type, fears failing in MLM and the hate grows.

    But you have reputable, heart centered network marketers like Ray Higdon and the guy I do a podcast with (who does not promote his opportunity but does just fine) who show you the hate is not true, and how MLM is a fab way to create value and to change lives, and you change your view on the niche.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    No one likes to meet a friend or relative for what they think is a social event and then have it suddenly turn into an attempt to get them to join their MLM. This results in the NFL club. (no friends left).

    So often that friend or relative talking big dollars and trying to sign you up 'under' him...has a track record that is not stellar.



    I think MLM's do better with online recruitment as you can't see the level of material success that person has achieved. Offline, Cousin Ralph is telling you how much money there is in an MLM - but you know, at 38, he lives with his Mother and can't keep a job...so....
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Sorry to correct you: Cousin Ralph CAN keep a job, he just doesn't want to be kept down, is keeping his options open. You see, it's all about the mind set. And the ability to take advantage of opportunities. And how's Cousin Ralph going to jump on the next opportunity if he's locked into a cubicle in some office working for someone who doesn't understand that Cousin Ralph has read and understood the 8-Hour Week book and is valiantly moving towards accomplishing that goal.



      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Offline, Cousin Ralph is telling you how much money there is in an MLM - but you know, at 38, he lives with his Mother and can't keep a job...so....
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina1974
    Hello i do not hate MLM i even bought some products, which were promoted with MLM. If those products have quality why not? Normal products were also promoted, often massive by mass media. So where would u draw the line?
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  • Profile picture of the author affmarketer101
    I don't really like MLM, honestly because people are inviting more people to join their networks to get commission rather than selling products. I mean the MLM would be good if the portion of selling product greater than hiring new down-lines.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by affmarketer101 View Post

      I don't really like MLM, honestly because people are inviting more people to join their networks to get commission rather than selling products.
      This is the text book definition of an illegal pyramid scheme. No legitimate
      MLM operates this way. If someone shows you a plan like this walk away.


      I mean the MLM would be good if the portion of selling product greater than hiring new down-lines.
      This is exactly what legitimate MLM is about. It's no mystery. Any legitimate
      business must rely on sales to real consumers. MLM is no different.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scadush777
    MLM is the scum of sales methods. It relies on targeting friends and family and makes everyone a prospect. The other obvious problem is the profit margins. You need to overprice something so everyone gets their cut which is no
    way to run a business. Who wants to pay $30 for vitamins that cost less than $5 from Trader Joes. Also, if you can sell MLM, you can sell legitimate products to clients for long term gain.
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  • Profile picture of the author jvalentin
    When you first mention MLM to someone the first thing they say to you is oh, it's a Ponzi Scheme. Then you would have to explain why it's not a Ponzi Scheme and there is the rub.

    From that point it's an uphill battle to convince the skeptical and it's not worth doing the business model. I've tried it twice and for me it's not worth the effort.

    Also when you're in a MLM program you have to come out of pocket just to maintain membership with the products auto-ship purchases monthly, maybe their back end system and what ever materials you need to try and sell the system.

    That's why it's a big bust. Those who can make it work then good for them. To the common folks looking for a business opportunity, STAY AWAY!
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  • Profile picture of the author thereikid
    It is all about mindset. The majority of people are trained to work for others by our school systems. And even if they are they building a business now some still have a job and are being exposed to the work environment where if they don't counteract that conditioning it only gets worse. You must focus on gaining the mindset first and being around a group of people that already have what you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    Many people hate what they don't know...

    For that reasons positive thinking made billions of dollars to coaches & authors
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  • Because selling is hard!

    Most people think that selling is easy but it isn't. It takes time and skill to do it well. Get it right and it's a great career that you can everywhere. If you suck, you could end up alienating friends and family.That's why most people don't stay in MLM for more than a year, they can't maintain the quotas. And when other people see that, it scares them. Withe a regular job, there are days you can afford to slack off but with MLM you have to hustle each and every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tedel
    I have worked for an MLM company in the past (in the administrative area, not as a distributor). I think I can reply to your question:


    - MLM products are unusually more expensive than their peers
    - They tend to justify the extra cost with their "supreme" quality
    - The quality is supported by "experts" who have a relationship with the company (conflict of interests anyone?)
    - People who work in MLM tend to be more interested in expanding their network than in selling the products (you are a salesperson, after all, why would you like others to invade your market?)
    - People who work in MLM tend to affect their friendships and other significant relationships for the sake of "the business"
    - People who work in MLM tend to be secretive about it. e.g. They mention they have "a great opportunity for you" yet they don't mention it is MLM until you agree to see them in person

    - People who work in MLM motivate each other constantly in ways I consider reckless, irresponsible and plainly delusional. You cannot change the world selling nutritional drinks. It is stupid to think you can. Yet they don't accept that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    People treats MLM like it's a quick rich scheme.

    So they try to "Advertise" it like crazy, asking to parents, grandparents, neighbours etc, to join an opportunity without any proof or as a madman.

    This leads a flow of hate towards mlm

    They do not start with lead generation, which is not spamming links over the internet, but acquiring targeted leads who voluntary puts their email.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    There are some people that have been scammed while in other cases there are people investing heavy into traffic and other business needs without seeing a return.

    There are times when people lack the patience and discipline to build a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    The problem is MLMs are designed to reward the people at the top. If you aren't a "founder" then your chances of making a profit are slim. The farther down the "pyramid" you get in, the less likely your chances for profit become.

    If you want to make big money from MLM, start your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    In our country, people did a lot of fraudulent business by the name of mlm, so they lost the trust and people started thinking that all mlm business is bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    I think people wanna make non sales people (the users of the mlm products) to be sales rep as well , while their wants is just to get the product as for the solution of any pain they wanna 'heal'.
    making non sales people to sell n build WoM organization.... weird n i think that's why it's not working
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  • Profile picture of the author AlfredIJ
    Well, I'm not apart of the normal crowd but, I think I can speak on their behalf for example, they don't like the one thing in (MLM) which is not the idea of technically not getting paid with actual money but with loads of viable information that will help them grow within their own business, and in general as to why they don't like (MLM) is due to the black and white marketing concept that (MLM) is basically an intern-like self advertising type of job.
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  • Profile picture of the author ashwinsd
    Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between legit and a scam. If someone is aware of scams, for him another mlm is also a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author Do Quang Hung
    I had been involved in MLM for more than 6 months. It was a crazy experience. I had lost my mind. Every day I was involved in stupid, meaningless things about "BEING RICH" (But most of them had not made any $). That's why now I hate MLM so much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Fields
    To much people are trying to get to the same thing with not enough help,its basically a dog eat dog world mlm buisnesses just suck period
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  • Profile picture of the author sizzleld
    Hi visimedia!

    At first, I used to think like alot of people here who feel MLM is the devil's work lol. I have been a part of a few, and did not sell to friends and family, but did do things the social way, and got exhausted.

    That ultimately what happened. So after doing research and learning about my "Wealth Dynamics" from a test I took, I discovered that being "social" is not my preferred way of making money online.

    However I do feel MLM works, and it works for those people who are super social, super chatty extremely outgoing and extroverted by nature. Full of personal magnetism.

    That stuff comes to them naturally, and after that test, I found what comes to me naturally.

    So yea I dont hate it, but if you arent the right personality for that kind of biz, it will be a struggle.

    http://www.wealthdynamics.com/wealth-profiles/star

    This link shares how a main feature of their type.

    good question! Hope this helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    good point on WD
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Owsley
    Many people hate MLM because these companies want you to go out and bring people to a meeting or webinar or some other event without telling them anything about the event. Most of these people don't want to start a business so they feel like they've been lied to. Some of the people who actually join may think starting a business is a good idea at the time they're at the event because of the emotional high they're feeling but after they join they have to go out and recruit their friends and family and get rejected most of the time. So now they have a feeling of rejection from people they know, they've paid money to join this organization, they've bought a product or service they ain't going to use, and the emotional high is over until the next meeting and if they don't have any new prospects they'll feel bad before the meeting is over.
    MLM tries to get people who never really intended to start a business to drag other people who never really wanted to start a business and gets them to buy a bunch of products or something and rarely make any money. For the few people that do make money they usually get screwed once the company changes the payment structure, then the organization people have built starts to fall apart.
    It may sound like I hate MLM but I don't. As long as a company has a good product or service and treats its member well I'm all for it. There are a few companies out there that come close to this. If you find a company you like, work it, be successful and share it with the rest of us to see if it's something we might like too.
    The good thing about the forum is that you do have people who are business minded so you will have a better chance of being successful with the people you share opportunities with.

    Enjoy your outcome
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  • Profile picture of the author FractionTech
    1) The company makes most of their money from getting people to sign up as distributors.
    2) They prey on stay-at-home parents with lofty promises.
    3) The only way to actually make money is to get people to "join your team."
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by FractionTech View Post

      1) The company makes most of their money from getting people to sign up as distributors
      No.

      2) They prey on stay-at-home parents with lofty promises.
      No.

      3) The only way to actually make money is to get people to "join your team."
      No.

      Congratulations! You know absolutely nothing about MLM!!
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Pushy salespeople who keep trying to get people to buy their products despite people already saying no.

    Especially healthcare products like Amway, Forever Living and Herbal Life etc.

    But this is still the most popular career choice in my country Singapore since my people are MORE comfortable in opening up in face-to-face conversations rather than express their thoughts in writing.

    Even though for me, it is the exact opposite.
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  • Profile picture of the author TRobinson
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    MLM stands for fraud and deception. Getting rich is the top goal that is beyond everything, with the inclusion of the most valuable thing for a man - the relationship with his family and friends. Don't say I am wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
      Originally Posted by TRobinson View Post

      MLM stands for fraud and deception. Getting rich is the top goal that is beyond everything, with the inclusion of the most valuable thing for a man - the relationship with his family and friends. Don't say I am wrong.
      The people I know who have been successful in an MLM company did so because they wanted to spend more time with their family, especially their young children. That was far more important to them than money. They wanted to have time freedom as well as a means to support their family.

      So at least some of the time, with some people, you are wrong.

      Doesn't mean you're wrong about everyone. In every industry there are people who put making money above their family. In many corporate jobs you don't even have a choice. You have to choose your company above your family to keep your job. Luckily, that is starting to change with some companies as they expand on ideas like flex time and working remotely from home.

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  • Profile picture of the author Therapy35
    One of the issues that I've encountered with MLM over and over again is that there is more emphasis placed on recruiting other people to sell the product and make more money for you than it is to actually sell the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jen Eick
      I'm a big fan of Dave Ramsey - the financial guru. He always says, "There's nothing wrong with being in MLM, as long as you realize the real goal isn't to promote the product, but the opportunity to promote the product to others." - or words to that effect. Also, I think like others keep saying, MLMs are too often (and somewhat unfairly, IMO) equated to outright pyramid schemes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elocinebot
    It isn't as profitable as many MLMers purport, it is not uncommon to see dubious income claims. People in MLMs are relentless recruiters which is incredibly uncomfortable for their friends and family. Pyramid selling has an understandable link with pyramid schemes, scam MLMs seem to be a dime a dozen even the legitimate ones seem to be really skirting the line. In short, people dislike the cultish recruitment behaviour and are rightfully skeptical of the profit outlook.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Always good to know too guys; hate is a projection of an individual, saying something about themselves and nothing about the object of hate. How we see the world is how we see ourselves.Good to know if you are an MLMer who fears being the object of hate or ridicule.

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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    There's a whole lot of people who absolutely love MLM, including a strong presence right here on the Warrior Forum. It's a 100+ billion dollar industry. Except for a few loud anti-MLM sentiments expressed here from time to time, there really isn't any significant number of MLM "haters". But let the haters hate, and the rest of us just party on!
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

    guys, what do you think makes normal people don't like MLM business?


    or


    if they don't like any particular things in MLM biz, what r those?


    to see this from other people's normal eyes (non MLMers )


    thx guys
    Most of the time MLM offers absolutely no value to people. The companies take your money to give to others so you can do the same. Normally the products that these companies offer are garbage and provide no value. Others may not agree with me, but this is my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I found it better to always be promoting the products and recruiting at the same time. The goal here is to pique curiosity and lower resistance. Then let your tools and resources do the work for you. Send prospects to a video or other resource that explains the products and opportunity. If you try doing this all yourself, you will almost always miss something, completely blow it, or come across as being a salesman. Very people are good at effective sales presentations.
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I found it better to always be promoting the products and recruiting at the same time. The goal here is to pique curiosity and lower resistance. Then let your tools and resources do the work for you. Send prospects to a video or other resource that explains the products and opportunity. If you try doing this all yourself, you will almost always miss something, completely blow it, or come across as being a salesman. Very people are good at effective sales presentations.
        Be the messenger, not the message. Always use third party tools to give your presentations. Remove yourself from the equation and keep everything simple. And, when talking with your prospects, make sure the entire conversation is about them and what's in it for them. Just my thoughts.
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  • I do not hate mlm but i will share some experiences i had in the past.
    1/ I joined Amway when i was 18 years old. To this day my siblings keep hammering me about the little boxes i brought home(product samples to hand out to our neighbours). I had no idea how to go about recruiting and in those days we had no internet. Fail
    2/ I joined Amway around 6 years later when a friend of mine called me with a "business opportunity". "is it Amway?" i asked. Anyway, he came with an older professional type person and got me so excited, me and my reluctant wife joined.
    Every week we had to attend meetings at a huge place in the city(500 plus people every time), stand up, clap, sit down, stand up clap again(went on and on). Couldn't keep up with the books - book of the week, tape of the week etc.
    We also had product pick up each week and our sponsors were like an hour from our home. This lasted 4 months. The other thing that was apparent was nobody talked about how much money they were making. "how long have you been in Amway?", legit question. "8 years". How much do you make? silence. The crunch came when we were also asked to attend church with the group on a sunday.
    Another friend joined the same organization prior to me and he ran out of room in his garage storing all those vacuum cleaners he bought, you know, to make the monthly pv bonuses.
    He would turn up to a friends house with two boxes of tea bags. You know, back in the early 90's they introduced food items so people bought stuff for themselves.
    My friend found in his conversations(when he visited) he would take a huge interest in what kind of detergents his friends used, and wouldn't you know it, a free sample magically appeared
    I still believe mlm can be a profitable business in this day and age with digital marketing/social media and product delivery systems straight to peoples door.
    If mlm's can learn how to market products to non mlm customers, i believe in the long run they will become more successful i.e in many instances, their customers become the best recruits.
    Aside from the scampster mlm companies, if you are into mlm and do it right, you will succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Axel1
      Can anyone tell me the name of the MLM they are involved with on this thread? Why is the name of the company you do business with such a big secret? If you are involved with MLM and won't mention the name of the company, doesn't that sound a little strange to you?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
        Originally Posted by Axel1 View Post

        Can anyone tell me the name of the MLM they are involved with on this thread? Why is the name of the company you do business with such a big secret? If you are involved with MLM and won't mention the name of the company, doesn't that sound a little strange to you?
        In MLM you want to sell products and build a strong team. If you tell someone your company name they can go to the website and sign up directly and you just lost a team member. Nothing strange about it, just how the industry works.

        With direct contact you can send them samples of the product, explain how it works and how it worked for you. You can also talk about the company and any success you've personally had.

        MLM is a one on one business even with the use of social media. They're trying to get the chance to talk to you directly.

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        • Profile picture of the author Axel1
          Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

          In MLM you want to sell products and build a strong team. If you tell someone your company name they can go to the website and sign up directly and you just lost a team member. Nothing strange about it, just how the industry works.

          With direct contact you can send them samples of the product, explain how it works and how it worked for you. You can also talk about the company and any success you've personally had.

          MLM is a one on one business even with the use of social media. They're trying to get the chance to talk to you directly.

          Rose
          Very good answer. You forgot to mention that there is a great deal of misinformation about your MLM on the internet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Axel1
          Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

          In MLM you want to sell products and build a strong team. If you tell someone your company name they can go to the website and sign up directly and you just lost a team member. Nothing strange about it, just how the industry works.

          With direct contact you can send them samples of the product, explain how it works and how it worked for you. You can also talk about the company and any success you've personally had.

          MLM is a one on one business even with the use of social media. They're trying to get the chance to talk to you directly.

          Rose
          Can you tell me the name of the MLM you are involved with? I promise I won't go to the website directly and cut you out.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
            Originally Posted by Axel1 View Post

            Can you tell me the name of the MLM you are involved with? I promise I won't go to the website directly and cut you out.
            I'm not in MLM. Just get tired of all the misinformation.

            Though I admit that many of the people involved are responsible for the bad reputation. There are bad apples in all industries.

            If you get involved with one make sure it's one that's been around a while. Also, that it has legitimate products that you feel good about selling. Otherwise it's nearly impossible to be successful.

            And find one that doesn't look down on your recruiting through social media.

            Don't let anyone tell you it's going to be easy because it's not.

            Rose
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Axel1 View Post

        Can anyone tell me the name of the MLM they are involved with on this thread? Why is the name of the company you do business with such a big secret? If you are involved with MLM and won't mention the name of the company, doesn't that sound a little strange to you?
        It seldom is a good marketing practice to prematurely mention the name of the MLM company you are involved with. Top MLMers build value into the opportunity and/or products before introducing the name of the company. Always promote yourself first (ie You, Inc), perhaps with third-party affiliate products initially.

        The intent is not to keep it a "secret", but rather this is a matter of timing. Some platforms do not allow direct MLM marketing. My mentor told me years ago, "Don't tell your prospects anything until you can tell them everything".

        By revealing the name of the MLM without telling the whole story makes people think they have enough information to make a decision...generally either not to join or go to Google for information and join under someone else.
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        • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          "Don't tell your prospects anything until you can tell them everything".

          By revealing the name of the MLM without telling the whole story makes people think they have enough information to make a decision...generally either not to join or go to Google for information and join under someone else.
          Spot on advice. Many people, not everyone of course, has preconceived notions about just about everything. If they don't get the whole picture, by seeing a complete presentation, they won't even know what they are saying NO to. I never hide the name of my company. If people ask me, I tell them. But, I always use attraction marketing and promote myself first. I have found that to work best. After all, people join people, not businesses (at least in our great industry).
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      • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
        Originally Posted by Axel1 View Post

        Can anyone tell me the name of the MLM they are involved with on this thread? Why is the name of the company you do business with such a big secret? If you are involved with MLM and won't mention the name of the company, doesn't that sound a little strange to you?
        It's not strange at all. The company name is not a secret. If someone asks me face to face, I will tell them, but typically AFTER I've sent them a video presentation.

        On the flip side of the coin, I'd never post my link or name of the company I represent in a forum. Why? I want to remain in control of the conversation. As soon as you say the name, you have put the prospect in control of the conversation. That's poor salesmanship, as I see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      What makes people hate mlm?

      The bottom line, to me at least, is the fact that the MLM model is built on the principle that non-professional marketers will recruit others to join and sell some type of product.


      Yes, typically MLMs have training to teach recruits how to sell to others . . . but many encourage members to go after prospects that are already engaged with the MLMer: friends, family, relatives, associates, neighbors, etc. They prey upon personal relationships as the basis for a pool of prospects. And typically, the marketing pitch appeals to the greed and desire for wealth (and being your own boss) inherent in most people.



      From the consumer side, what do you have? You have non-marketers posing as salesmen to friends and family pushing products that are really just a vehicle to aid in recruiting new sign-ups. Often, the products are only secondary (and of dubious worth or quality) to the prime focus of the MLM - getting new recruits.


      Yes, there are variations to his MLM theme. But I think people are just sick and tired of being preyed upon by those within their personal circle of family and friends. The sales pitch is always about the great benefits to the buyer of the program . . . but in reality, the underlying motivation of the seller is his own personal gain.


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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      I tell my new recruits not to talk to anyone about the products or business opportunity until after they have read those two books, and "Think and Grow Rich", by Napoleon Hill.

      Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

      Great advice. I tell my folks not to talk to anyone until they go through our getting started training, and they learn what to say, and how to utilize their sponsor for three-way calls.
      I have found that it is a common tendency for new recruits to go around blabbing and vomiting all over people even after being told to wait until after they have been trained. I emphasize vision, goal-setting, decorum, and theory besides corporate-provided and practical (real world) training.

      These books: "Four Year Career" by Richard B. Brooke, "Go Pro" by Eric Worre, and "Think and Grow Rich", by Napoleon Hill have become the core of my training and provides a solid foundation for long-term success. In addition, my team members are trained to duplicate this course for their own downlines.
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      • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I have found that it is a common tendency for new recruits to go around blabbing and vomiting all over people even after being told to wait until after they have been trained. I emphasize vision, goal-setting, decorum, and theory besides corporate-provided and practical (real world) training.

        These books: "Four Year Career" by Richard B. Brooke, "Go Pro" by Eric Worre, and "Think and Grow Rich", by Napoleon Hill have become the core of my training and provides a solid foundation for long-term success. In addition, my team members are trained to duplicate this course for their own downlines.
        Even with good intentions, and telling our new people what they should and shouldn't do, we really have no control over that. I've counseled many people and only a small percentage of them complete the training and follow the outlined course of action.

        As a result, they end up doing the things they shouldn't be doing, and saying things they shouldn't be saying. Most of these folks get horrible results and leave the business within 30 to 90 days.

        Being coachable is one of the most important requirements if you want to succeed in this great industry.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

          Being coachable is one of the most important requirements if you want to succeed in this great industry.
          Being coachable is actually far down the list of attributes to succeed, in my experience with new recruits. The top characteristic I look for is a burning desire for specific goals or income level. If the prospect doesn't have inner drive and ambition, I don't waste my time. People will follow a leader who shows them how to achieve their dreams.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mabu Map
    I think that it's because that kind business

    makes people pitch products to thier family or friends too much

    the quality of the products also not that good
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  • Profile picture of the author Santiagovgs
    I´ve asked my self this same thing plenty of times...

    I think the reason is that they all problably have some failed attempt on it, so they kind of feel stupid trying it again. Its funny because in theory MLM works, the only reason it fails is this exactly, people just start getting insecure and nervous and they f*** up, they dont recruit people or they just abandon, and the chain breaks and it fails.

    Its curious that what doesnt allow MLM to work properly are the fears of it not working properly...
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  • Profile picture of the author queenbuzzy
    Simple: Not everyone is an entrepreneur.



    That's why I always give the advice that if an MLM focuses on getting people into the business instead of selling the products of the business, it will be harder to be successful. Everyone is a consumer, not everyone is an entrepreneur. Make sure the consumer compensation is worth it, and go from there. Those who love the products and are entrepreneurs will naturally be drawn to join the business.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by queenbuzzy View Post

      Simple: Not everyone is an entrepreneur.



      That's why I always give the advice that if an MLM focuses on getting people into the business instead of selling the products of the business, it will be harder to be successful. Everyone is a consumer, not everyone is an entrepreneur. Make sure the consumer compensation is worth it, and go from there. Those who love the products and are entrepreneurs will naturally be drawn to join the business.
      Best response in this thread. I have to agree with you. Everyone buys stuff on an almost daily basis, but only a very small percentage of the population is good at sales, marketing and entrepreneurship. Of course, these skills can be learned, but most people won't stick around the industry long enough to learn and master these skills.

      Most people who start any type of businesses are not really entrepreneurs. What they're really looking to do is to create a job for themselves. And, the technical work of a business is not what makes a business successful. Just because you can cook the best meal doesn't mean you can have a successful restaurant. The role of a restaurant owner is not to cook food, but to fill the seats and make a profit. I learned that in "The E-Myth Revisited" by Michael Gerber. If you haven't read that book yet, you should.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by queenbuzzy View Post

      Simple: Not everyone is an entrepreneur.



      That's why I always give the advice that if an MLM focuses on getting people into the business instead of selling the products of the business, it will be harder to be successful. Everyone is a consumer, not everyone is an entrepreneur. Make sure the consumer compensation is worth it, and go from there. Those who love the products and are entrepreneurs will naturally be drawn to join the business.
      You hit the nail on the head. Most people joining our industry have never owned a business before, nor do they have sales or marketing experience. And we wonder why so many people struggle? MLM requires a learning curve, just like any other profession. Sadly, most people who join our industry aren't willing to invest the time or money to develop and master these skills. However, the ones who do, and stick around, normally do pretty well.
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    No other business can literally give you the ability to own your own business for less than $100. Stick to a Legacy MLM business thats primary focus is to sell a premium quality product or service, recruiting a sales team should be secondary. Legitimate MLM businesses have extensive free training, education, tools and support that you need to succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

      No other business can literally give you the ability to own your own business for less than $100. Stick to a Legacy MLM business thats primary focus is to sell a premium quality product or service, recruiting a sales team should be secondary. Legitimate MLM businesses have extensive free training, education, tools and support that you need to succeed.
      While MLM is not easy, I have yet to find another business model that gives you the ability to create that much leverage, without needing employees or significant start-up and ongoing capital. It might not be easy to succeed, but if you can figure it out, I believe no other industry can offer what MLM does. Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author mindtricks18
    So many times when people say "no" to your MLM, what they are really saying "no" to is themselves not your opportunity. They have bought the lies that were taught to them by their parents and teachers such as "get a good education so you can get a good job and you will be set for life" or "it takes money and influence to make money and you have neither".

    I always remind myself that in any business whether is a MLM or a sales position, it is the person with the most "no's" that wins and moves ahead of the pack. The sooner you get 50-100 no's using the correct approach the sooner you will see the money start to flow because of the yes's that were tucked in among the no's. Without the no's you will not find those few yes's that you need to succeed.

    I have learned to love the no's because I know that the yes's are just around the corner and I just can not see them yet. I can't wait to reach 100 no's and see how many yes's were tucked in among them.

    Success(yes's)comes sometimes when we least expect it from the most unlikely people. Never pre-judge, share your business with everyone and learn to love the process.

    The best part about an MLM is the leverage where we not only get paid on our own efforts but on the efforts of those we help to succeed.

    Thanks for your leadership and for not giving up when you did not succeed in your first attempts at MLM.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by mindtricks18 View Post

      So many times when people say "no" to your MLM, what they are really saying "no" to is themselves not your opportunity. They have bought the lies that were taught to them by their parents and teachers such as "get a good education so you can get a good job and you will be set for life" or "it takes money and influence to make money and you have neither".

      I always remind myself that in any business whether is a MLM or a sales position, it is the person with the most "no's" that wins and moves ahead of the pack. The sooner you get 50-100 no's using the correct approach the sooner you will see the money start to flow because of the yes's that were tucked in among the no's. Without the no's you will not find those few yes's that you need to succeed.

      I have learned to love the no's because I know that the yes's are just around the corner and I just can not see them yet. I can't wait to reach 100 no's and see how many yes's were tucked in among them.

      Success(yes's)comes sometimes when we least expect it from the most unlikely people. Never pre-judge, share your business with everyone and learn to love the process.

      The best part about an MLM is the leverage where we not only get paid on our own efforts but on the efforts of those we help to succeed.

      Thanks for your leadership and for not giving up when you did not succeed in your first attempts at MLM.
      Go for NO! That is my approach. You have to talk to thousands of people to sponsor hundreds of people to find a few quality people. That's just the way the business works. You could argue that it's similar in any type of sales position. My friend is a real estate broker and the turnover in his company is similar to the turnover in our industry. Not everyone is cut out to do sales or own a business.

      After doing MLM 16 years, I think the product approach is the best approach. Anyone can be a customer. From there, you will find people who love the products and want to grow a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
    Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

    guys, what do you think makes normal people don't like MLM business?


    or


    if they don't like any particular things in MLM biz, what r those?


    to see this from other people's normal eyes (non MLMers )


    thx guys
    I'm a top earner in my MLM Company and I can tell you that most people hate MLM because they don't understand it. I had a mentor tell me once that 100% of the people not doing MLM don't understand it, or they would join, and 97% of the people who have joined don't understand it or they would build it big. I think the biggest issue is we have so many "non entrepreneurs" joining. Starting any type of business with an employee mindset is almost a kiss of death.

    Another reason people hate MLM is we have so many amateurs in our industry building their business the wrong way. Rather than be a professional, they use hype, pressure, bug friends and family and are downright annoying.

    Like any industry, we have good and bad people, amateurs and professionals. Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author BacklinkzTopper
    Simple reason is SPAM .
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  • Profile picture of the author newton
    One big reason is the fact that you are building SOMEONE else's business. If that business goes bust, like many are currently doing, then you lose your income and possibly even the team you have built up.


    If you want to enter this business model then make sure that people are promoting the PRODUCTS and not the OPPORTUNITY to make money just by building a team and letting them do all the work. It's those companies that are currently all being shut down by the FTC.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by newton View Post

      One big reason is the fact that you are building SOMEONE else's business. If that business goes bust, like many are currently doing, then you lose your income and possibly even the team you have built up.


      If you want to enter this business model then make sure that people are promoting the PRODUCTS and not the OPPORTUNITY to make money just by building a team and letting them do all the work. It's those companies that are currently all being shut down by the FTC.
      Network marketing is really about building long-term relationships with a network of people. It doesn't matter if the MLM company you work with closes down, you still have the network and the relationships. That's what a lot of people don't really understand about our industry. Your company and your downline is not your real business. Instead, your network is your real business.
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  • Profile picture of the author gunsandguns
    There is nothing worst than MLM business. Some of my friends were into that and most of them lost money. And the pathetic thing is they told many times me to be their supportive hand. I didn't believe this business.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    very cool discussion, very good input


    this will also lead people to other biz opp as well, not just MLM


    but particularly with MLM ya newbie non entrepreneur approach is the way to break this MLM in people's eyes


    the product itself should be good, but we judge by the people who bring that product, to be the company face.. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author edian77
    most of them are spam
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by edian77 View Post

      most of them are spam
      What gives you that idea? What is it based on or you just parrotting what you heard before ?
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by edian77 View Post

        most of them are spam

        Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

        What gives you that idea? What is it based on or you just parrotting what you heard before ?
        Unfortunately, most new people do spam, which leaves a strong unfavorable impression for otherwise great companies and great products.

        It's usually unproductive to try to convince anyone logically against such strongly negative prejudice about MLM.

        This is why top MLMers disassociate their initial prospecting away from MLM and the company they represent.

        This is not being "secretive"; it's reframing so the whole picture about MLM can be given without the detraction of preconceived ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author yasaman bakhshi
    They do not trust the company's revenue plans And they say that this does not work.
    While the structure of each system is multi-level.
    They also fear that they would be ridiculed by their friends.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andrewsfm
    MLM requires other peoples efforts to really make any serious money, if you look at something like TLC for example, you need to build 2 different legs etc. The upfront commissions for someone is a low %.

    You're best bet is going for affiliate offers, low cost on the front which earn up to 75% commission, like with Clickbank and then after a few weeks start promoting high ticket affiliate webinbars.

    Works for me!

    - Andy
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Andrewsfm View Post

      MLM requires your own efforts to really make any serious money
      Fixed that for you.

      The most successful people in any MLM company (including TLC) all have very similar character traits and skill sets. The biggie is leaders inspire and teach their team members to reach their potential of high achievement by example. Their personal production sets the standard bar for the team.

      It has been said that MLM is a personal development system disguised as a business opportunity. To be successful in MLM, you must be coachable by your upline, learn to coach your downline, then teach your team to do the same. This is duplication at its finest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christopher K
    I just think people don't understand MLM.

    The principle of leveraging the efforts of multiple people bring back many times the results the efforts of just 1 person. If you're honest with yourself and look at the structure of any non-MLM company with employees, it looks just like a pyramid. Same as MLM.

    The problem people have when joining MLMs is that they try to work marketing strategies that fail.

    The spend time chasing down down people who aren't interested. They talk about it with friends, coworkers and family - who really don't care. Or spend hours trying to explain what a pyramid scheme is.

    The people who are the most successful in MLM are the people that recruit from within the MLM industry. That's the target/warm market...

    You sign up people who have already been sold on the MLM idea and in turn, they know others who have been sold on the idea. It's the quickest way to build a large downline. The best training on this is by: Tracy Biller at: Ultimate Success CDs - Network Marketing's #1 Training Program!.

    Once you get a bit of success under your belt, you'll keep growing your business. Then...

    You won't care about the conversations/arguments people carry on about MLM.

    It works for the people who know how to recruit from people that are interested in MLM.

    -Christopher K
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Christopher K View Post

      The people who are the most successful in MLM are the people that recruit from within the MLM industry. That's the target/warm market...

      You sign up people who have already been sold on the MLM idea and in turn, they know others who have been sold on the idea. It's the quickest way to build a large downline. The best training on this is by: Tracy Biller at: Ultimate Success CDs - Network Marketing's #1 Training Program!
      One caveat regarding Tracy Biller's "training" is that it is more of a lead generator to sell his leads of distributors (genealogy lists) from failing or defunct MLM companies. Although the concept is sound for experienced heavy hitters, the learning curve is quite steep.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Avery
    I think because it usually looks like a pyramid scheme at first glance.

    They're not wrong to be skeptical of stuff like that... Especially on the internet haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stacey Cee
    In my opinion, they may not want to approach friends and family with a networking system because they may feel they are trying to sell them something. Also a lot of people think network marketing is a pyramid scheme, they are not knowledgeable about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lovelace
    From personal experience, the thing I don't like from MLM's are they push you to hit up your "warm" market first. That being your family, friends, co-workers, etc.

    I remember one time, a person that I hadn't hung out with or talked to in months; hit me up out of the blue, and asked if I minded going to Starbucks to catch up.

    I went.... BOOM

    There was his mentor "Up-line Individual" sitting there with him, and they started talking to me about Primerica.

    All in all, MLM is not bad as it teaches people how to sell, market, and close deals. I believe it is just the approach of it all, and the need for them to push the people to hit on their family, friends, and co workers until they budge and join.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by Eric Lovelace View Post

      From personal experience, the thing I don't like from MLM's are they push you to hit up your "warm" market first. That being your family, friends, co-workers, etc.

      I remember one time, a person that I hadn't hung out with or talked to in months; hit me up out of the blue, and asked if I minded going to Starbucks to catch up.

      I went.... BOOM

      There was his mentor "Up-line Individual" sitting there with him, and they started talking to me about Primerica.

      All in all, MLM is not bad as it teaches people how to sell, market, and close deals. I believe it is just the approach of it all, and the need for them to push the people to hit on their family, friends, and co workers until they budge and join.
      Sadly, most people in our industry have not been trained properly. It's often the blind leading the blind.

      I also believe talking to the warm market is good, and effective, when done right. Surprising people, like you experienced, is the wrong way to do it.

      Also, if you started any other type of business you would tell your warm market first, if nothing else so they could send you referrals or visit your business, or at least know what you are doing. So, contacting your warm market is fine. Just do it right with no trickery, pressure, or hype.

      If anything, simply ask them to order one product to support you in your new business.
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    If you really want to be successful in a Network Marketing business aka MLM you need to start by reading two books that will open your mind. 1. The Four Year Career by Richard B. Brooke and 2. Go Pro by Eric Worre.

    If you are going to join an MLM company make sure it is a legit Legacy MLM company that has been in business for 20+ years, has a premium product or service to sell that is the primary avenue in order to make money, recruiting a sales force should be secondary with the primary objective of selling products or services. Make sure they offer an extensive education and training system infrastructure so you can learn everything about the company, tools and your business. If you have the Entrepreneur drive you can create an Empire with an investment of under $100.

    If you find yourself only selling to friends and family members then you have absolutely no sales skills at all. The Internet is filled with good paying customers ready to buy, all you have to do is advertise correctly and efficiently.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

      If you really want to be successful in a Network Marketing business aka MLM you need to start by reading two books that will open your mind. 1. The Four Year Career by Richard B. Brooke and 2. Go Pro by Eric Worre.
      I tell my new recruits not to talk to anyone about the products or business opportunity until after they have read those two books, and "Think and Grow Rich", by Napoleon Hill.
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      • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I tell my new recruits not to talk to anyone about the products or business opportunity until after they have read those two books, and "Think and Grow Rich", by Napoleon Hill.
        Great advice. I tell my folks not to talk to anyone until they go through our getting started training, and they learn what to say, and how to utilize their sponsor for three-way calls.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

      If you really want to be successful in a Network Marketing business aka MLM you need to start by reading two books that will open your mind. 1. The Four Year Career by Richard B. Brooke and 2. Go Pro by Eric Worre.

      If you are going to join an MLM company make sure it is a legit Legacy MLM company that has been in business for 20+ years, has a premium product or service to sell that is the primary avenue in order to make money, recruiting a sales force should be secondary with the primary objective of selling products or services. Make sure they offer an extensive education and training system infrastructure so you can learn everything about the company, tools and your business. If you have the Entrepreneur drive you can create an Empire with an investment of under $100.

      If you find yourself only selling to friends and family members then you have absolutely no sales skills at all. The Internet is filled with good paying customers ready to buy, all you have to do is advertise correctly and efficiently.
      My breakthrough in the industry happened after I took the time to learn attraction marketing and direct response marketing, learning how to get people to contact me first. That has made the business much more enjoyable and profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    I found this thread to get some feedback on the topic as I found after years a product/brand which put's the product in first place and NOT the MLM aspect...

    So guess here's the question to answer...Are the products worth it? If you are happy to buy them yourself without any pressure to get some points or rewards...you maybe have a winner..

    This after you did your DD about price, quality, availability, recurring sales etc....just after that I do look at the MLM part which I ONLY take as serious if I'm sure I do not screw my contacts.

    So Product in first place, if it's a great product in all aspects you will get the MLM part done easily.

    99% of all offers are based on the MLM part trying to make you buy a huge Starter Kit (you most probably will keep all that for yourself) and then push you to enroll all your social network...the cost of that administration waterhead is paid by the overpriced products people try to sell.

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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    The bottom line people have been burned by fake wanna be MLM ponzi scheme type companies, or harassed and forced into them by friends and family. Those all leave a bad stigma.

    The most important reason people hate MLM aka Network Marketing is just ignorance. People tend to hate and dislike things they do not understand or comprehend.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

      The bottom line people have been burned by fake wanna be MLM ponzi scheme type companies, or harassed and forced into them by friends and family. Those all leave a bad stigma.

      The most important reason people hate MLM aka Network Marketing is just ignorance. People tend to hate and dislike things they do not understand or comprehend.
      Exactly. Also, most successful MLM reps do NOT harass friends and family. Most successful reps have a business plan, a marketing plan and a clear strategy.

      My mentor once told me that 100% of the people NOT in our industry do not understand it, or they would be doing it AND 98% of the people in the industry do not understand it or they would be doing things differently.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Despite all the bashing by a very small but noisy minority, there actually is a strong presence of MLMers right here on the Warrior Forum. And for many of us, this forum has always been a rich source for MLM leads. Some of the most successful MLM marketers are even advising their downlines to tap into this very powerful recruiting source.

      Is it possible to promote an MLM opportunity on this forum?

      https://www.warriorforum.com/tags/mlm.html

      Hint: Read "The Four Year Career", by Richard Brook.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    Average people can't digest MLM because there r tons of things to think about, lol

    Never easy to understand the biz
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      Average people can't digest MLM because there r tons of things to think about, lol

      Never easy to understand the biz
      Most failures are seldom because of the company.or the marketing plan. The "average" person just doesn't have the chops to be in MLM (or any type of business).
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  • Profile picture of the author ebayreseller
    I despise MLMs. They are basically pyramid schemes with vultures at the top and sheeple underneath. The reason I despise them is because they hype up their product to the point the bottom actually believe in their product. It is almost organized religion level brainwashing. The only reason that they are remotely successful is because of family and friends' support. This is their bread and butter and the top of the pyramid knows it and abuses it. Also, I dislike that people use any opportunity to push their product.

    I hate driving two miles chasing a Yard Sale sign only to stop at a house where all they are selling is their Lululemon and It! Works garbage. It is usually some housewife whose husbands over-time money went to buying the junk, but she feels good about herself while she buys an insane amount of Starbucks and tries to take as many selfies as she can take on her iPhone. All the while keyword stuffing all her Instagram posts with how she is a boss and on her way to being rich.

    I think the disdain mainly comes from me having a genuine interest in people trying to better themselves and not having their only source of income be from a 9-5. Most MLMs take advantage of people and I just can't get down for that.

    At one point in my life I sold Rainbow vacuums for like a week. I sold one to a family member. Sure the vacuum worked great, but they purchased from their Nephew to show support. These companies know this and use laser focus to bring in new recruits to spam their product. I am anti-MLM to the bone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Expels
    Because a lot of them are actually ponzi or pyramid schemes. You know, the ones that make money solely from recruiting new members. A legit MLM sells valuable products and/or services, not "investment opportunities" to unsuspecting people.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    biz vs investing, most people don't get what's the difference . lol


    people should limit people's access to MLM, only certain level of people can run that as distributors
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      biz vs investing, most people don't get what's the difference . lol


      people should limit people's access to MLM, only certain level of people can run that as distributors
      Most people entering our industry are not entrepreneurs, nor do they have sales and marketing experience. This makes it difficult for them to succeed. Of course, they could take the time and money to develop these skills, but most choose not to.

      Our industry is easy come, easy go. It's easy to start when it's only $100 to $200 to join. It's also easy to quit when you only have that much money invested.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

        Most people entering our industry are not entrepreneurs, nor do they have sales and marketing experience. This makes it difficult for them to succeed. Of course, they could take the time and money to develop these skills, but most choose not to.



        Exactly. It's for this reason, IMO, that so many people have a blanket hate for the MLM business model - it "requires" new members to recruit others and then to sell and market the products of the company they joined (regardless of the quality of the product or the selling skills of the member).


        You end up with a mostly amateur sales and recruiting force that don't know what they're doing and typically come across as only being concerned with building their own downline rather than caring about the needs of the prospect.


        Yes, of course, the good MLMers are out there - I don't think anyone would argue that point. But it seems to me that there is a natural attraction within the business model itself for lazy and gullible MLM recruits. They get fed hype-filled dreams about quitting their day jobs, owning their own business, and getting residual income for a lifetime from clueless new recruits. It comes across just like most online make money business scams.


        IMO, the industry will only be cleaned up and receive positive public acceptance when those on the inside (business leaders) change the way the industry (as a whole) markets and sells their programs.


        Just my opinion, of course.



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        • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          Exactly. It's for this reason, IMO, that so many people have a blanket hate for the MLM business model - it "requires" new members to recruit others and then to sell and market the products of the company they joined (regardless of the quality of the product or the selling skills of the member).


          You end up with a mostly amateur sales and recruiting force that don't know what they're doing and typically come across as only being concerned with building their own downline rather than caring about the needs of the prospect.


          Yes, of course, the good MLMers are out there - I don't think anyone would argue that point. But it seems to me that there is a natural attraction within the business model itself for lazy and gullible MLM recruits. They get fed hype-filled dreams about quitting their day jobs, owning their own business, and getting residual income for a lifetime from clueless new recruits. It comes across just like most online make money business scams.


          IMO, the industry will only be cleaned up and receive positive public acceptance when those on the inside (business leaders) change the way the industry (as a whole) markets and sells their programs.


          Just my opinion, of course.



          Steve
          All good points.

          I'm still unsure about public acceptance of MLM. I think anyone could be open minded and be a decent prospect, depending on HOW they are approached at by whom. If you look, act and sound like the "every day" network marketer, there will be some MAJOR buying resistance. But, if you are a professional, and act accordingly, I've found that most people will at least listen to you.
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        • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          Exactly. It's for this reason, IMO, that so many people have a blanket hate for the MLM business model - it "requires" new members to recruit others and then to sell and market the products of the company they joined (regardless of the quality of the product or the selling skills of the member).


          You end up with a mostly amateur sales and recruiting force that don't know what they're doing and typically come across as only being concerned with building their own downline rather than caring about the needs of the prospect.


          Yes, of course, the good MLMers are out there - I don't think anyone would argue that point. But it seems to me that there is a natural attraction within the business model itself for lazy and gullible MLM recruits. They get fed hype-filled dreams about quitting their day jobs, owning their own business, and getting residual income for a lifetime from clueless new recruits. It comes across just like most online make money business scams.


          IMO, the industry will only be cleaned up and receive positive public acceptance when those on the inside (business leaders) change the way the industry (as a whole) markets and sells their programs.


          Just my opinion, of course.



          Steve
          All good points.

          I'm still unsure about public acceptance of MLM. I think anyone could be open minded and be a decent prospect, depending on HOW they are approached at by whom. If you look, act and sound like the "every day" network marketer, there will be some MAJOR buying resistance. But, if you are a professional, and act accordingly, I've found that most people will at least listen to you.

          Sadly, many people have had bad experience in a MLM. Many of these folks vow to never do it again. I think that's a bit crazy. It would be like going to a restaurant, having bad service or food, and then saying you will never go out to eat again.

          Having a close mind is one of the worst things you can have in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Myself also i hate mlm as i dnt like to searc for people all time and what its the worst its that you also must convince this people to search for other people
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      Myself also i hate mlm as i dnt like to searc for people all time and what its the worst its that you also must convince this people to search for other people
      Every business must search for new customers. Franchises must constantly search for new franchisees and new customers.

      Not sure how MLM is any different.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

        Every business must search for new customers. Franchises must constantly search for new franchisees and new customers.

        Not sure how MLM is any different.
        The difference is that most businesses have a good product to sell. Almost zero MLM's do. Not to mention you generally won't make squat by selling the products. You make money by recruiting other suckers into the MLM.
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        • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          The difference is that most businesses have a good product to sell. Almost zero MLM's do. Not to mention you generally won't make squat by selling the products. You make money by recruiting other suckers into the MLM.
          That is very untrue blanket statement, there are tons of MLM companies that sell premium quality products and services just go to Google and type in Legacy MLM Companies.
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        • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          The difference is that most businesses have a good product to sell. Almost zero MLM's do. Not to mention you generally won't make squat by selling the products. You make money by recruiting other suckers into the MLM.
          You can recruit as many people as you want to in MLM, but if no one buys and sells the products, no one makes money. No company pays you to recruit people. Products must move from company to an end user, whether that person is a distributor or customer.

          Originally Posted by amuro View Post

          Well, I like to say it is not about products but the WAY they go about marketing them.

          Now here is the thing, guys.

          When it comes to marketing, most people ONLY think of making $ for themselves and their loved ones with little or no regards for how their customers will feel and benefit.

          Sure they may be nice those customers upon first contact but it is about how they get those customers to buy without giving them space and time to understand how those products actually benefit them.

          From the network marketers' perspective, they are trying to implment what I defined as One-Size-Fits-All strategy simply because the companies they represent tell them so.

          But from customers or prospects' perspective, those network marketers are not much different from those pushy typical salespeople trying to shove their products and services into them just to make maximum profits quickly and easily.

          Without considering their feelings as friends or even fellow human beings.
          True professionals in our industry never use hype, hard-selling or pressure. But a lot of ignorant and untrained people do. Good salespeople, in any profession, are educators, not some high pressure used car salesperson. They identify a legitimate problem and offer a legitimate solution.

          Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

          That is very untrue blanket statement, there are tons of MLM companies that sell premium quality products and services just go to Google and type in Legacy MLM Companies.
          Couldn't agree more. If people were as passionate about really educating themselves about our industry as they are at bashing it, and making general blanket statements, you would see even more people involved in MLM.

          There are amateurs and professionals in every industry, good companies and bad companies in every industry, good products and bad products in every industry. Each rep and each company is different.
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
    I would argue that more people hate the way that MLM is promoted, more than they do the industry itself. It is definitely a legitimate industry. We just have a lot of untrained and unprofessional people in it that give all of us a bad reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author SiteNameSales
    The people who like MLM are usually those who have found a legitimate opportunity and were successful.

    The haters are those who have failed or, if they have no first-hand experience, know people who have failed.

    You can blame the company or blame your own gullibility or blame the entire MLM niche for coming up empty. But those who do honestly succeed usually keep trying until they have learned how to make it work.
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Well, I like to say it is not about products but the WAY they go about marketing them.

    Now here is the thing, guys.

    When it comes to marketing, most people ONLY think of making $ for themselves and their loved ones with little or no regards for how their customers will feel and benefit.

    Sure they may be nice those customers upon first contact but it is about how they get those customers to buy without giving them space and time to understand how those products actually benefit them.

    From the network marketers' perspective, they are trying to implment what I defined as One-Size-Fits-All strategy simply because the companies they represent tell them so.

    But from customers or prospects' perspective, those network marketers are not much different from those pushy typical salespeople trying to shove their products and services into them just to make maximum profits quickly and easily.

    Without considering their feelings as friends or even fellow human beings.
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  • The bad press has definitely hit hard this model but not all of them are scam. Actually the biggest ones are legit, hence why they are still around 20+ years after.

    In the end, if your MLM product is legit, it's like any other affiliate business and the same tactics can be applied.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared White
    being a "salesperson", putting themselves out there, rejection, the crap products often sold higher than what another store would have them as, being uncomfortable etc
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    one thing MLM people do: sell their stuff on ebay n marketplaces.... lol.. that's no point
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Hunsons
    it's outdated unfortunately.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Rob Hunsons View Post

      it's outdated unfortunately.
      Not even close. But perhaps so for the haters.

      The MLM industry has been booming, especially in the last 10 years. Nearly all of the top MLM companies are seeing record sales. And the number of potential prospects is also expanding exponentially, with the movement of people migrating from corporate jobs towards achieving leveraged income through MLM.

      The continued growth in the network marketing industry compounds year after year
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      • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Not even close. But perhaps so for the haters.

        The MLM industry has been booming, especially in the last 10 years. Nearly all of the top MLM companies are seeing record sales. And the number of potential prospects is also expanding exponentially, with the movement of people migrating from corporate jobs towards achieving leveraged income through MLM.

        The continued growth in the network marketing industry compounds year after year
        It's definitely alive and well, especially internationally, where people are really HUNGRY for an opportunity.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

          Sadly, many people have had bad experience in a MLM. Many of these folks vow to never do it again. I think that's a bit crazy. It would be like going to a restaurant, having bad service or food, and then saying you will never go out to eat again.
          Everyone has "heard" of MLM, and either knows someone who had a bad experience or been through it themselves because of some knucklehead. The challenge for the pros in this industry is to overome these negative preconceptions and show the real potential of this marketing model.

          Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

          It's definitely alive and well, especially internationally, where people are really HUNGRY for an opportunity.
          The MLM growth rate in the US has been phenomenal especially over the last 10 years or so, and explosive in India, Asia, Central/South Americas, South Africa, and parts of Europe.

          This year, changes in the US income tax deductions have been more favorable to MLM and other home-based businesses than ever before.
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  • Profile picture of the author denisehilton
    The reason I don't like MLM is because everything is so uncertain. And when everything is going right suddenly you come to know that the company has been closed and all your funds are seized. It's not a reliable industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author bwh1
      Originally Posted by denisehilton View Post

      The reason I don't like MLM is because everything is so uncertain. And when everything is going right suddenly you come to know that the company has been closed and all your funds are seized. It's not a reliable industry.
      That's why you have to look deep at the plan they offer, and if it's too good to be the truth then it certainly is not a great oportunity.

      Personally I never entered into MLM cuz the products are overpriced and not really as good as they should be...till now when I found one in my country worth joining

      Your chances to do great only by selling THE product and a low barrier to enter was the decision point. Meaning that the MLM part is NOT the main part of the oportunity if you ain't want to go after leads
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  • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
    My experience with MLM has been:

    Company starts with something Revolutionary
    Something you have never heard of that will change the world
    This MLM company is already past all competition and they are only source of the product
    Your getting in at ground floor
    We have 1000 people making 6 figures that were broke before joining our company
    We have many videos of them to prove it
    We are the only LEGIT MLM and we will be here for next 1000 years
    You can easily get in for kinda uncomfortable cost. High, Higher, Highest
    Prospect all of your friends and family
    Come to every single meeting
    Buy product every single month from autoship keeps you active
    Weird pay structure that sounds like your gonna kill it...
    Go to the big meetings where you can network and worship your leaders and get pumped
    Buy hella expensive stuff at these big meetings on CC
    Still getting charged every month
    Read and study a boatload of material
    Try to sell the product
    cant understand why everyone is not buying the product its revolutionary
    Sell the opportunity to every single person you ever come in to contact with
    Tell them they will be rich even though your not and then show them what happens if they get 5
    Wonder why people are not signing or staying in
    Call your upline which never is around to help
    When you do get them they tell you to let them close them 3way
    Tell you to get them to a meeting and they will sign up
    You get a couple of people in they do nothing
    They are not motivated so you cuss them out
    You keep going to meetings you still not driving the Tesla
    You went all in and paid 10k and nothing is happening
    You complain online about rip off
    You quit and have 10k on your CC

    Or

    You keep going and spending
    You see people are winning cars and prizes
    You want more so you invest more
    All your fam and friends hate you
    Your 50 buck checks are not increasing
    then company starts losing money
    service gets bad
    then the company goes out of business
    and your upline shows you this better opportunity
    and the good news is this next opportunity is even newer and better...

    (That is my observation and some experience in the multiple MLM's I have tried)

    Not saying all of them are this way or you cant make money with them but I have seen great ones crash and burn and many people out of money and cars and prizes.
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  • Profile picture of the author luciesmazanska
    exactly as Rose Anderson said its creepy! and annoying...

    you have to do it via other channels or use more polite and less aggresive style than approaching random people
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  • Profile picture of the author succeedonline789
    I think people hate MLM for many reasons. It involves a TON of work, which many people aren't willing to do. A lot of people want to come online to make money, not build teams and spend hours a day training these teams. Also there are a lot of scammy companies involved with MLM and people generally don't want to get involved in these companies. In my opinion affiliate marketing or having your own products to sell is the better route to go. Just be sure to build an audience of some sort so you can sell to that audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndreiMorariu
    One of the main reasons people hate MLM is that they see it as a scam. This is because people sell the idea of MLM as a get rich quick scheme whilst it is very hard to have success with it ( there were some nice statistics I encountered, one being that only 1% of a MLM made some sort of income from it ).

    Also it's sad because one of the first things that the MLM guys tell you is to firstly recruit your friends/family/ close people that trust you. Basically it can change your dear friend from a friend to a salesman and that is not cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author electricguitar
    Most of the users are not using MLM service now. They have moved to other method which works for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3936296
    Most of the mlm are scams.
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