Why Do We Hate RAPID Growth?

by GS12
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I've noticed a trend here that we aren't fans of rapid growth and keep getting this "Take it slow and steady like a turtle" approach.

Maybe I'm just young and come from a tech start up background where it's all about growth hacking and growing as fast as possible. Bull in a china shop kind of thing.

But over here, I feel like everyone has this mentality that it takes 10 years to become a multi-millionaire from the internet.

Do you hate rapid growth and think slow growth is the way?

PS: This isn't to demean anyone or the forum. I love it here and the content is AWESOME. I'm just genuinely feeling a disconnect when it comes to rapid growth VS slow growth. I don't expect to get rich over night, but I'll be damned if people think it takes a lifetime to get rich from the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

    but I'll be damned if people think it takes a lifetime to get rich from the internet.
    You seem cocksure that you'll become rich on the Internet. Do keep us posted on how that works out for you. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    I'd say GS it is that good old, 4 lettered F word: FEAR

    Most people are terrified that they will run out of time and desperately grab for growth hacking tips, techniques and hacks, being afraid of patience, of persistence, and the very idea that what they most want - long term growth - will take some time to come into form. Of course, most of these folks fail horribly because desperate people are impatient, greedy, and flat out cannot see straight or act intelligently. The few who succeed worldly-wise are never satisfied. Crappy way to live. Almost like you're in a prison of worldly success, stacking chips, then wondering why you're doing it, and wondering even more deeply why you're not happy doing it. If you never feel full, whole and complete, you ain't happy. But if you feel whole and complete, you will be as happy as can be, plus you'll have the patience and persistence to do miraculous things, vibing much higher than the growth hacking level of hurry-fear.

    Hey; nothing wrong with having worldly success quickly. But the split second you add a time element to goals, you fear running out of time. Big time Mind Eff here, because ego fights this truth, but thinking it through, you know it is so.

    Many experienced Warriors who have enjoyed the ride - ups and downs - know it takes years to build something:

    - sustainable
    - fun and incredibly fulfilling
    - meaningful
    - sound
    - rock solid

    and it cannot be rushed. We also know - not that any of us is aiming to be a billionaire - that the most successful people in history growth hacked nothing. The billionaires of the world know that good things take time, because you cannot create something meaningful and impacting from fear, and rapid growth is almost always fully based in fear.

    Just a 43 year old's take who's built up something of a blog (or so billionaires think) and pretty darn boring lifestyle over a decade

    Ryan

    PS...as an aside, always ask yourself...."What the frick is the rush?" Gets me on purpose again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    Partly because we've seen too many people come to this forum thinking they were going to get rich quickly.

    They don't.

    Then they get discouraged and quit. A lot of them could have built a business if they had kept going. Learning, adjusting, adapting.

    If you are one of the few that get rich quick then "Yay!" We'll applaud your success.

    But we're trying to keep from setting beginners up with unrealistic expectations.

    There's already a lot of hype in the internet world. I prefer not to add to it when I can give someone practical advice instead.

    Our intent is not to slow anyone down, but encourage them to carry on if things don't happen for them overnight.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Owsley
    Hi GS12,

    There's nothing wrong with rapid growth in business as far as I'm concerned.
    The problem comes in when someone has wild expectations of overnight success or crazy promises from so-called internet Gurus that give people unrealistic hopes without putting in the work to achieve success.
    Perhaps you can share some of the rapid growth tech start-up growth hacks with us. It would be a great opportunity to add value to the forum and ultimately put some money in your pocket.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Enjoy your outcome!
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  • Profile picture of the author nickyz1
    no one hates rapid growth. it is just that most times if you take things so fast you tend to do a lot of mistakes that you regrate later
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

    Do you hate rapid growth and think slow growth is the way?
    Growth expectations - in fact, often growth requirements - differ from business to business. In the tech industry, if your company doesn't expand quickly, you risk being overtaken by tech developments. Similarly, if your business relies on exploiting a trend, hanging around wouldn't be a good idea. You'll want to strike while the iron's hot.

    But if you're entering an evergreen market and you intend to be there awhile, it makes sense to take some time to learn the ropes and build a solid foundation.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
    It's a reflection of who's left here posting. It has nothing to do with what's possible.

    Mike Geary ain't posting here. Chris Haddad ain't posting. The folks behind Grand JV ain't posting.

    But ...

    A 70 yr old guy who created a crotchety forum persona is. As is a 43 yr old guy who still believes in fairy tale level magic.

    Make sense now?

    P.S. This was a common gripe even 7-8 years ago. If you notice, there's this belief that fast = bad. If a person never shakes that belief? Meh. It can happen fast. It does for a lot of people. They just don't post on WaFo. I don't know where that belief ... fast = bad ... comes from. Maybe one of the pseudo-psychologists can explain it. Lol. It may be because it is too much of a "shock" or something, I don't know. But you can "attack" that belief pretty easily.
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    • Profile picture of the author GS12
      Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

      It's a reflection of who's left here posting. It has nothing to do with what's possible.

      Mike Geary ain't posting here. Chris Haddad ain't posting. The folks behind Grand JV ain't posting.

      But ...

      A 70 yr old guy who created a crotchety forum persona is. As is a 43 yr old guy who still believes in fairy tale level magic.

      Make sense now?

      P.S. This was a common gripe even 7-8 years ago. If you notice, there's this belief that fast = bad. If a person never shakes that belief? Meh. It can happen fast. It does for a lot of people. They just don't post on WaFo. I don't know where that belief ... fast = bad ... comes from. Maybe one of the pseudo-psychologists can explain it. Lol. It may be because it is too much of a "shock" or something, I don't know. But you can "attack" that belief pretty easily.
      I'll tell you what it is. Tall poppy syndrome. You're right that the evil "speed demons" aren't posting here, because they're surrounding themselves with like-minded rapid growth thinkers.

      To all the people saying fast is bad or impossible or unlikely, I say what makes the speed demon millionaires DIFFERENT from us? What are THEY DOING that we AREN'T?

      Tony Robbins says to model others success. Why don't we do the same?

      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Growth expectations - in fact, often growth requirements - differ from business to business. In the tech industry, if your company doesn't expand quickly, you risk being overtaken by tech developments. Similarly, if your business relies on exploiting a trend, hanging around wouldn't be a good idea. You'll want to strike while the iron's hot.

      But if you're entering an evergreen market and you intend to be there awhile, it makes sense to take some time to learn the ropes and build a solid foundation.
      What makes an evergreen market different to a tech start up market when it comes to wanting to grow fast? You know you would have to "learn the ropes and build a foundation" in the tech world too, right? Just because this is an "evergreen market", it doesn't excuse being a "monk marketer" and being "content" with growing slow because it's always going to be there.

      I encourage us all to read Fastlane Millionaire by MJ DeMarco or the summary of it at the very least.

      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      I'd say GS it is that good old, 4 lettered F word: FEAR

      Most people are terrified that they will run out of time and desperately grab for growth hacking tips, techniques and hacks, being afraid of patience, of persistence, and the very idea that what they most want - long term growth - will take some time to come into form. Of course, most of these folks fail horribly because desperate people are impatient, greedy, and flat out cannot see straight or act intelligently. The few who succeed worldly-wise are never satisfied. Crappy way to live. Almost like you're in a prison of worldly success, stacking chips, then wondering why you're doing it, and wondering even more deeply why you're not happy doing it. If you never feel full, whole and complete, you ain't happy. But if you feel whole and complete, you will be as happy as can be, plus you'll have the patience and persistence to do miraculous things, vibing much higher than the growth hacking level of hurry-fear.

      Hey; nothing wrong with having worldly success quickly. But the split second you add a time element to goals, you fear running out of time. Big time Mind Eff here, because ego fights this truth, but thinking it through, you know it is so.

      Many experienced Warriors who have enjoyed the ride - ups and downs - know it takes years to build something:

      - sustainable
      - fun and incredibly fulfilling
      - meaningful
      - sound
      - rock solid

      and it cannot be rushed. We also know - not that any of us is aiming to be a billionaire - that the most successful people in history growth hacked nothing. The billionaires of the world know that good things take time, because you cannot create something meaningful and impacting from fear, and rapid growth is almost always fully based in fear.

      Just a 43 year old's take who's built up something of a blog (or so billionaires think) and pretty darn boring lifestyle over a decade

      Ryan

      PS...as an aside, always ask yourself...."What the frick is the rush?" Gets me on purpose again.
      Nothing wrong with getting success fast. Seems like you're saying people who get success fast end up being miserable which seems to be more of your own opinion as opposed to general fact. It depends from person to person. Nonetheless, putting a time limit on something is what achieves KPIs and targets. It's why buyers buy and it's why sellers meet their targets.

      It's part of the foundation of goal setting.

      This whole "slow and steady" approach to growth won't change the world. Facebook, Google, Bitcoin, and every major company out there grew rapidly. And before you say, "those are start ups with lots of funding or whatever", there are tons of success examples plastered over that show regular companies (ESPECIALLY INTERNET COMPANIES) growing rapidly.

      ALL I'm saying is if there's people out there that have done rapid growth success.. why don't we DO what THEY'RE doing in terms of their methods? Instead of relying on the same old fashioned Warrior Forum approach of being conservative, slow, and pessimistic because of our "hate for online gurus that promise the world"

      YES gurus have stupid promises, BUT don't let that BLIND you from the fact that you can rapidly grow like these other guys that have and are doing everyday!
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        Tony Robbins says to model others success.
        Now, there's some deep thinking if I've ever heard it. I'm sure he's the first to think of it, too.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        Nothing wrong with getting success fast.
        I would agree, and my guess is, most everyone else here would concur.

        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        ALL I'm saying is if there's people out there that have done rapid growth success.. why don't we DO what THEY'RE doing in terms of their methods?
        This is where you run into trouble with your logic. You assume that following some elses methods will produce exactly the same results. But that is never true. Here's why . . .

        Each of us brings a different set of skills, knowledge, talents, abilities, ambition, persistence, motivation and other personal and business traits to the table which affect our capability of "cloning" the methods (and results) of someone else.


        In addition, we bring varying amounts of capital to the table. We come to business when markets are changing and consumer sentiment is different. The opportunities in every niche differs because the timing has changed. All these things affect business success and they are different for every entrepreneur - even those trying the exact same strategies and methods.




        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        . . . you can rapidly grow like these other guys that have and are doing everyday!
        What you're effectively saying is that anyone can create a Facebook, Google, or Amazon. Yes, technically anyone can be the one in 100 million exception. Just like anyone can win the $500 million dollar lottery.

        But what most of the posters here are trying to tell you is that such advice does more harm than good for the everyday people that come to this forum looking for a simple way to make some money. Most of us have found that the average guy here at the WF is more likely to create a profitable business by not trying to be Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates.

        It's fine to study growth principles and try to model success. But for most people that come here with no business background or savvy to speak of, it is best that they are encouraged to learn to walk before they dive into running after fast profits and specialized methods of the exceptional few that managed to beat the odds.

        One-size-never-fits-all in online business. Your results will vary - that's 100% guaranteed. Following another person's methods doesn't entitle you yo that person's success path or results.

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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        What makes an evergreen market different to a tech start up market when it comes to wanting to grow fast? You know you would have to "learn the ropes and build a foundation" in the tech world too, right? Just because this is an "evergreen market", it doesn't excuse being a "monk marketer" and being "content" with growing slow because it's always going to be there.
        I've never heard the term "monk marketer" so wouldn't know what it means. Nor was I saying that everyone should be content with slow growth. The reality for most businesses is that rapid expansion is a risk. It puts pressure on resources such as staff and on the infrastructure. And it impacts on cash flow. Nevertheless, there are instances when going for rapid growth is the better tactic.

        The key issue is being able to separate the truth from the myth. Don't ignore the irony that high-profile figures such as Tony Robbins were able to grow their businesses rapidly because thousands of followers bought into their narrative of fast riches.

        The founders of Google, Amazon etc. didn't do so by attending get-rich-quick seminars or from the latest guru's best-selling book. But come up with an idea whose time has come and yes, with the right implementation, complete dedication, and a large dose of luck, you too can become rich in rapid time.

        We're just saying that for the vast majority of entrepreneurs - online or offline - it's more realistic to focus on a longer-term strategy.
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          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          The founders of Google, Amazon etc. didn't do so by attending get-rich-quick seminars or from the latest guru's best-selling book. But come up with an idea whose time has come and yes, with the right implementation, complete dedication, and a large dose of luck, you too can become rich in rapid time.

          You forgot to include a healthy infusion of venture capital, Frank.
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            Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

            You forgot to include a healthy infusion of venture capital, Frank.
            "Healthy." Isn't that an Internet Marketing term for 'incredibly, freakin' massive?'
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            • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              "Healthy." Isn't that an Internet Marketing term for 'incredibly, freakin' massive?'
              Yup...

              and it probably applies to much more than just Internet Marketing
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                Yup... and it probably applies to much more than just Internet Marketing
                Hmmmm. Yes, I do remember my mum always saying that I had a really, "healthy" appetite. :-(
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            • Profile picture of the author PPG19
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              "Healthy." Isn't that an Internet Marketing term for 'incredibly, freakin' massive?'
              Well, Google first round of funding wasn't too big. I think 100k or so.
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              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by PPG19 View Post

                Well, Google first round of funding wasn't too big. I think 100k or so.
                The first round of funding was NOT venture capital.

                The second round which was all VC was $25M. Facts is facts.
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                • Profile picture of the author PPG19
                  Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                  The first round of funding was NOT venture capital.

                  The second round which was all VC was $25M. Facts is facts.
                  I think the 100k wasn't neither a seed funding or an angel investment. It was an institutional Series A round. The 25 million was the second round. But i am not sure, you might be right.
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                    Originally Posted by PPG19 View Post

                    I think the 100k wasn't neither a seed funding or an angel investment. It was an institutional Series A round. The 25 million was the second round. But i am not sure, you might be right.
                    August 1, 1998 • Angel (Individual) • $0.1M • Completed • Startup • Total Raised to Date - $0.1M
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                      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                      August 1, 1998 • Angel (Individual) • $0.1M • Completed • Startup • Total Raised to Date - $0.1M
                      Ok i have to correct myself. The first 100k for Google was an angel investment but the point i wanted to make is that there are a lot of big companies that started with 50/100k of funding.
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      Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

      A 70 yr old guy who created a crotchety forum persona is..
      I'm touched that you're so fascinated with me that you can't get me out of your mind. What can I teach you, today??? :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
      Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

      A 70 yr old guy who created a crotchety forum persona
      A persona?

      I bet he's a crotchety in real life as he is on here. Nothing fake about it

      As a crotchety old 59 year old woman, I appreciate his honesty.

      If you guys can become millionaires in a few months then more power to you. No one is trying to slow you down.

      We're just giving our thoughts due to our experiences and what we've seen.

      If you personally experience something different I'll be thrilled beyond words to hear your story. I know you'll be a big help to many people here.

      Rose
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    If you look at entrepreneurship with the mindset of making the most money possible in the shortest amount of time, you're going to be disappointed, confused, and unhappy with the results regardless of your niche, business model, or personal effort.


    But when you look at business creation as a journey and a "ride" that can open up new vistas, life bettering experiences, new people and exciting places . . . you don't have the urge to reach the destination in the shortest time possible. The destination is actually the journey itself.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Not sure where you got the idea for this 'rapid growth' thread - I think most of the advice to 'go slow and steady' is given to those who start posting big plans for huge income - with no plans for how to earn it.

    Your questions have been basic, such as....

    What are some great suggestions on an Online Course that gives you a step-by-step blueprint on creating a revenue-generating online business for a noob?
    And you often reference well known guru names in your posts - which is a common trait of new marketers. To me, that's a sign of reading too many sales pages but you can learn from those, too.

    To all the people saying fast is bad or impossible or unlikely, I say what makes the speed demon millionaires DIFFERENT from us? What are THEY DOING that we AREN'T?
    There is no collective 'we' - you'll find much advice here on studying what others do - on using proven tactics rather than trying to create a new wheel - and you are wrong to assume 'we' don't do this or that.

    John Reese, Mike Humphrey, Russell Brunson and many other well known marketers used to post on this forum regularly. Today the WF is mainly a forum for new marketers - and many of the profitable marketers who post here do so because new marketers are their target market.

    Making assumptions of what other marketers do or think or believe - doesn't move your business forward. Identify the knowledgeable members here IN THE IM METHOD YOU WANT TO WORK IN - and read what they've posted. There are SEO experts and dropship experts here, high paid freelancers and published authors here - but they aren't the folks who give you one line answers to simplistic questions.

    Fast profit is possible - I've done it more than once. There's a difference between having a plan for a business and implementing it - and in talking about internet dreams and lifestyle.
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    • Profile picture of the author GS12
      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      For which he paid cash. Thank you, Apple! :-)

      And don't forget my back yard. lol



      Do you think that someone could actually be as miserable as I choose to act, living without obligation or responsibility, to anything other than my dog and 3 clients that have threatened to kill me if I desert them? Seriously?

      I spent years as a union character actor in Manhattan. I'm just reprising my favorite roles, here.

      I really appreciate it when folks who know me best stick-up for my online persona. It's basically harmless, although certainly irritating. That's the point. I'm certainly opinionated, but not malicious. Just don't open any packages with a New Jersey return address.

      Please, continue the lovefest. :-)
      Dude, I have zero idea what you're talking about or who this 70 year old man is. But it's not related to the thread topic at all. Plus the way you talk creates a brain tornado for me even more!

      Moving on.

      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      I would agree, and my guess is, most everyone else here would concur.



      This is where you run into trouble with your logic. You assume that following some elses methods will produce exactly the same results. But that is never true. Here's why . . .

      Each of us brings a different set of skills, knowledge, talents, abilities, ambition, persistence, motivation and other personal and business traits to the table which affect our capability of "cloning" the methods (and results) of someone else.


      In addition, we bring varying amounts of capital to the table. We come to business when markets are changing and consumer sentiment is different. The opportunities in every niche differs because the timing has changed. All these things affect business success and they are different for every entrepreneur - even those trying the exact same strategies and methods.






      What you're effectively saying is that anyone can create a Facebook, Google, or Amazon. Yes, technically anyone can be the one in 100 million exception. Just like anyone can win the $500 million dollar lottery.

      But what most of the posters here are trying to tell you is that such advice does more harm than good for the everyday people that come to this forum looking for a simple way to make some money. Most of us have found that the average guy here at the WF is more likely to create a profitable business by not trying to be Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates.

      It's fine to study growth principles and try to model success. But for most people that come here with no business background or savvy to speak of, it is best that they are encouraged to learn to walk before they dive into running after fast profits and specialized methods of the exceptional few that managed to beat the odds.

      One-size-never-fits-all in online business. Your results will vary - that's 100% guaranteed. Following another person's methods doesn't entitle you yo that person's success path or results.

      Steve
      Look man, then lets not blanket generalise everyone to be slow movers if some of us have biz experience. I have tech start up experience and Im willing to learn but giving me noob advice like "Crawl before you ball shawty" (Kanye West lyric) isn't going to help me.

      I'm saying let's encourage more rapid growth for the intermediate guys and a less forum-blanketed culture of being turtles. This is why forums like Fastlane Millionaire have more millionaires then us.

      Let's think more like Americans, less like the British. More like Silicon Valley and Wall Street, less like the Deep South.


      Let's think good old American ambition.


      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Not sure where you got the idea for this 'rapid growth' thread - I think most of the advice to 'go slow and steady' is given to those who start posting big plans for huge income - with no plans for how to earn it.

      Your questions have been basic, such as....


      And you often reference well known guru names in your posts - which is a common trait of new marketers. To me, that's a sign of reading too many sales pages but you can learn from those, too.


      There is no collective 'we' - you'll find much advice here on studying what others do - on using proven tactics rather than trying to create a new wheel - and you are wrong to assume 'we' don't do this or that.

      John Reese, Mike Humphrey, Russell Brunson and many other well known marketers used to post on this forum regularly. Today the WF is mainly a forum for new marketers - and many of the profitable marketers who post here do so because new marketers are their target market.

      Making assumptions of what other marketers do or think or believe - doesn't move your business forward. Identify the knowledgeable members here IN THE IM METHOD YOU WANT TO WORK IN - and read what they've posted. There are SEO experts and dropship experts here, high paid freelancers and published authors here - but they aren't the folks who give you one line answers to simplistic questions.

      Fast profit is possible - I've done it more than once. There's a difference between having a plan for a business and implementing it - and in talking about internet dreams and lifestyle.
      Bro, I asked that question because I wanted to know a course that I could get inspired from to create myself and sell to noobs with my new young entrepreneur-media authority site that I'm building.

      Also, if you've had fast profit let me know an example as I'd love to hear it. (It would be a first for me on this awesome forum, so I'm genuinely interested).

      Good to know my man Russel was posting here. Dude is an inspiration. "You're only one funnel away" was one of the most powerful slogans I've ever seen in B2B Marketing.

      Anyways, I'm just a Manhattan kid with big dreams wanting to make it big and fast. Maybe it's a culture thing.
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        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        Dude, I have zero idea what you're talking about or who this 70 year old man is. But it's not related to the thread topic at all. Plus the way you talk creates a brain tornado for me even more!
        Dude, I was mentioned, snidely. I responded, honestly.

        It's an open forum. Anyone can post at will. Starting a thread doesn't mean you own or control it. Deal with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ryan Thames
        There are a few reasons most people on here don't talk about "fast profit examples"

        1. Most people coming to this forum don't have the time available that is necessary to dedicate to growing extremely fast.

        2. Many more people don't have the capital required to grow extremely fast. In my experience, most scenarios that involve rapid growth also involve massive spending or massive time investment.

        3. A lot of "Rapid Profit" growth tactics are limited in their effectiveness. In other words, the pool is only so big. Too many swimmers and no one gets to swim. IF a rapid growth method is working for someone they are most likely either too busy milking their profits to get on here and post, or they specifically don't want to share because they don't want to create more competition for themselves.

        The only example I can give you of rapid growth was my personal jump off into making fast money with internet marketing.

        I took this campaign from nothing to averaging 1k profit a day in around a month and a half's time.

        I did this by running paid advertising on Native Ad networks to affiliate products.

        Here is a chart from my tracking system that shows the growth over a month and a half:



        (The grey line is daily visits measured in thousands on the left, and the orange line is daily revenue measured in thousands of $$ on the right. Each dot is a day and marks how much revenue/visits I had on THAT individual day.)

        If you are interested in rapid growth and you don't mind the risks associated with potentially losing all of your money then take my advice and go into paid advertising.
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        • Profile picture of the author GS12
          Originally Posted by Reddevil007 View Post

          Once you develop the skill sets to succeed at something then surely one can think of rapid growth but the thing is why would you be in such a hurry because there is stuff that you might miss when in hurry.

          You need patience in business and unfortunately many people lack that!
          Patience is over rated. Do you think our founding fathers were "patient" when they grew America from an early stage start up into the biggest power on earth in such a short time span?

          Do you think Google or Facebook were patient?

          Do you think Tony Robbins was patient with his growth?

          Do you think CLICKFUNNELS was patient with going from $0 to $100M in 3 years?

          Come on man. We live in the rapidly growing age of 2018, patience is so 1930s.

          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          If you read most of the boards here at WF you will see the #1 complaint / hurdle is TRAFFIC. and the canned answer is simply keep at it and keep writing... kinda like build it and they will come.

          Go over to the SEO section and read how people identify traffic sourses IE keywords.. they focus more on volume than anything else.. Forget the actual ability to get those people to A click on a link or B get in front of people that will actually buy something.

          Growth in Internet Marketing is understanding the nature of the Net, and those that use it... where they go what the do, how they look for things. Identifying these things gives you the ability to target those that will benefit your endevours. GROWTH HACKING is just that - kinda on mathmatical steroids at that.

          Put a post on the main board about probabilities and significance.. and you will get crickets. What you do read is some poor guy posting "im getting 10 visitors a day and no sales" Someone will inevitably say "Oh, you need to A/B test that." It IS a very logical answer ( if you have 100X the traffic )

          The science behind growth just is not a skill set you can pick up and read about and understand... OK, I take that back.. you CAN.. but most choose not to. I mean seriously ever search " CRO " on Google? its not til recently that something that pertained to " Conversion Rate Optimization " was actually listed on the first page of listings let alone the 3 or 4th

          The bottom line why growth is shyed away from. is most people here simply do not understand traffic. And there are guys like me that DO... but its really not something you can place in a nice little box and wrap up... it kinda changes with every instance How I get traffic for boxer shorts is totally different from how I get traffic for a wordpress plugin.

          (im about to say a dirty word ) the TRUTH is understanding most of this falls back on the foundation principles of SEO. How to identify sources of traffic and what terms to use to obtain them. And the same exact principles apply if you are actually creating content to draw them from Search Engines, Paid Advertising, Social media, or e-mail marketing. BUT, SEO is a dirty word. The whole just write crap... oh my goodness.. may what ever higher power be by your side. You NEED to understand and TARGET your ideal market. KEYWORDS is how that is done.

          If people would just start looking at SEO from the discovery stage aspects.. they would better understand what it is they are doing and why.

          *** Edit / added

          So an example of growth... A few years back, I had a friend with a forum.. and he was asking me about traffic... I did some research, and we ended up striking a partnership. The research? At the time there were but a few woocommerce themes. Mystile happened to be one of them. 1,000,000 downloads at the time and little to no content. In the course of a year... I sent the traffic through the roof. here we are 5 years later and the forum has changed hands a time or 2.. type in " Mystile Theme tutorials " and look at the " uploadwp " listings on the main page.. its not even about a #1 serp listing.. it is straight up serp domination - that after 5 years its still holding ( a testimate that SEO is A effective, and B timeless if done correctly )
          At the end of the day, what matters Is what works for YOUR company as the proven rapid growth marketing channel.

          Originally Posted by Ryan Thames View Post

          There are a few reasons most people on here don't talk about "fast profit examples"

          1. Most people coming to this forum don't have the time available that is necessary to dedicate to growing extremely fast.

          2. Many more people don't have the capital required to grow extremely fast. In my experience, most scenarios that involve rapid growth also involve massive spending or massive time investment.

          3. A lot of "Rapid Profit" growth tactics are limited in their effectiveness. In other words, the pool is only so big. Too many swimmers and no one gets to swim. IF a rapid growth method is working for someone they are most likely either too busy milking their profits to get on here and post, or they specifically don't want to share because they don't want to create more competition for themselves.

          The only example I can give you of rapid growth was my personal jump off into making fast money with internet marketing.

          I took this campaign from nothing to averaging 1k profit a day in around a month and a half's time.

          I did this by running paid advertising on Native Ad networks to affiliate products.

          Here is a chart from my tracking system that shows the growth over a month and a half:



          (The grey line is daily visits measured in thousands on the left, and the orange line is daily revenue measured in thousands of $$ on the right. Each dot is a day and marks how much revenue/visits I had on THAT individual day.)

          If you are interested in rapid growth and you don't mind the risks associated with potentially losing all of your money then take my advice and go into paid advertising.
          Agreed. Most people think too small or average and I just hate that they try to push their conservativeness on other people.

          I think BIG. It's how I scaled a multi-million dollar start up after raising big $. I just think big man. So its cringe worthy to see these "20 year experienced internet marketers" on here that try to tell me to slow down.


          Fast growth = High risk? GOOD. Nothing in life is worth it without risk. Whether it's approaching that hot girl at the bar or protecting your life in a random physical assault. Or in this case.. getting rich.

          The internet is where the internet playboys exist, not mom and pop stores.

          There is a difference between an ENTREPRENEUR and a small business owner....


          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I've never heard the term "monk marketer" so wouldn't know what it means. Nor was I saying that everyone should be content with slow growth. The reality for most businesses is that rapid expansion is a risk. It puts pressure on resources such as staff and on the infrastructure. And it impacts on cash flow. Nevertheless, there are instances when going for rapid growth is the better tactic.

          The key issue is being able to separate the truth from the myth. Don't ignore the irony that high-profile figures such as Tony Robbins were able to grow their businesses rapidly because thousands of followers bought into their narrative of fast riches.

          The founders of Google, Amazon etc. didn't do so by attending get-rich-quick seminars or from the latest guru's best-selling book. But come up with an idea whose time has come and yes, with the right implementation, complete dedication, and a large dose of luck, you too can become rich in rapid time.

          We're just saying that for the vast majority of entrepreneurs - online or offline - it's more realistic to focus on a longer-term strategy.
          There's a difference between entrepreneurs and small business owners.

          Rapid growth and risk taking Is an entrepreneur. HELL, entrepreneur means risk-taker in French!

          You guys are crazy for not LOVING risk

          It's in our blood as Americans.

          Move to the UK if you like to be comfortable without risk (Kidding, stay).

          But don't blanket your pessimistic culture over an entire forum where there are also optimistic people that want to change the world.

          Rapid growth is possible via VIRALITY + PAID ADS + PR + etc.

          Don't just give blanket generalised statements like "Going fast means you might crash". Tell that to Usain Bolt or NASCAR Drivers.

          Anything then being average.

          Rapid success.

          This is the Gen Y Entrepreneur mindset.

          And it's why you see today's billionaires and millionaires getting there so much faster then slow talking Cryptocurrency haters like Warren Buffet.
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            I'm not stalking your thread, really. I thought I would point out a few facts and add some perspective,In fact this will be my last post on the matter unless you address me directly...


            Patience is over rated. Do you think our founding fathers were "patient" when they grew America from an early stage start up into the biggest power on earth in such a short time span?

            Do you think Google or Facebook were patient?

            Do you think Tony Robbins was patient with his growth?

            Do you think CLICKFUNNELS was patient with going from $0 to $100M in 3 years?

            Come on man. We live in the rapidly growing age of 2018, patience is so 1930s.



            Out founders were more worried about harsh winters and the gallows then they were about 'growing' our future.

            Larry Page and Sergey Brin started working on Google in 1996 - but three years later in 1999, few people had even heard of it yet. But add another five years, and Google had made it, going public in 2004 with a market capitalization of $23B.

            Mark Zuckerberg, while attending Harvard as a sophomore, concocted "Facemash" in 2003 to get a lost girlfriend off his mind. He later changed the name to Facebook. In 2005, Facebook still showed a yearly net loss of $3.63 million. But within five years it became an overnight success, and now has about 400 million users worldwide.

            Tony Robbins was in sales and sweating the mortgage every month until he became an overnight success, Brunson worked long and hard before he made it, too.

            Source:https://www.businessinsider.com/gues...y-takes-2011-3


            At the end of the day, what matters Is what works for YOUR company as the proven rapid growth marketing channel.


            Agreed, whats right for you isn't necessarily a good fit for everybody.


            Agreed. Most people think too small or average and I just hate that they try to push their conservativeness on other people.

            I think BIG. It's how I scaled a multi-million dollar start up after raising big $. I just think big man. So its cringe worthy to see these "20 year experienced internet marketers" on here that try to tell me to slow down.


            Fast growth = High risk? GOOD. Nothing in life is worth it without risk. Whether it's approaching that hot girl at the bar or protecting your life in a random physical assault. Or in this case.. getting rich.

            The internet is where the internet playboys exist, not mom and pop stores.

            There is a difference between an ENTREPRENEUR and a small business owner....



            Theres a fine line between thinking big and dreaming...


            'you' scaled a multi-million dollar start up after raising big $, congrats.

            give us a ring when you find that angel investor to fund your current venture. It's easy to push the chips ALL IN when it's not your scratch on the felt..


            There's a difference between entrepreneurs and small business owners.

            Rapid growth and risk taking Is an entrepreneur. HELL, entrepreneur means risk-taker in French!

            You guys are crazy for not LOVING risk

            It's in our blood as Americans.

            Move to the UK if you like to be comfortable without risk (Kidding, stay).

            But don't blanket your pessimistic culture over an entire forum where there are also optimistic people that want to change the world.

            Rapid growth is possible via VIRALITY + PAID ADS + PR + etc.

            Don't just give blanket generalised statements like "Going fast means you might crash". Tell that to Usain Bolt or NASCAR Drivers.

            Anything then being average.

            Rapid success.

            This is the Gen Y Entrepreneur mindset.

            And it's why you see today's billionaires and millionaires getting there so much faster then slow talking Cryptocurrency haters like Warren Buffet.



            I don't understand why you are so defensive, You asked for opinions on an open forum, people answered honestly. You didn't like the answers so now you want to change the culture here?

            Dude! How long have you really been on the Internet? I promise I won't tell anybody.

            As far as i can tell, everyone on this thread has said go for it, so what is stopping you?

            Bob
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        Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

        "You're only one funnel away" was one of the most powerful slogans I've ever seen in B2B Marketing.
        Just what would one expect someone who makes his living hawking funnels, to say?

        I can't imagine why such a trite expression would seem so powerful to you. If you think about it, logically, it's kind of a "duh" statement that anyone with anything to sell would have just as much validity in espousing, by replacing the word, 'funnel' with the word describing their product. Unless, of course, one believes that funnels, alone, are the one, true secret to success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    A 70 yr old guy who created a crotchety forum persona is..

    ....driving a BMW convertible....are you? Sometimes generalizations don't work.



    I agree, though, a lot of fairy tale stuff here, too. It's a forum - really does take all kinds....
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      ....driving a BMW convertible....are you?
      For which he paid cash. Thank you, Apple! :-)

      And don't forget my back yard. lol



      Do you think that someone could actually be as miserable as I choose to act, living without obligation or responsibility, to anything other than my dog and 3 clients that have threatened to kill me if I desert them? Seriously?

      I spent years as a union character actor in Manhattan. I'm just reprising my favorite roles, here.

      I really appreciate it when folks who know me best stick-up for my online persona. It's basically harmless, although certainly irritating. That's the point. I'm certainly opinionated, but not malicious. Just don't open any packages with a New Jersey return address.

      Please, continue the lovefest. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    rapid expansion is a risk.
    That's a key to it. Faster speed - greater risk. Higher yield - greater risk. It's a basic business concept.

    But it's a life concept, too. Doing anything 'too fast' is risking loss of control and that can bring failure when success might have been the outcome. That may be why you see marketers advised 'slow and steady' - because loss of control can mean loss of potential.

    I went to a horse show this week - my niece WON 6 of the 8 events - barrel racing, weave poles...etc etc. Her main competitor (second in most of those same events) has a faster horse and all the events are 'timed'.

    My niece's top competitor is impatient - the clock is ticking in her head so she rides her horse faster than others and as a result often loses control. That girl was thrown twice - wasted time having to redo mistakes made due to speed...etc. Meanwhile, my niece keeps a steady pace, is in control of her horse and rides a clean course.

    It's the same concept - go as fast as you can while also maintaining CONTROL. Works on a horse, in a car, in a business.

    Some people have the mental acuity to be able to go at top speed without missing details or making mistakes - others don't. Knowing which method suits YOU can be the difference between long term success and failure.






    And don't forget my back yard. lol

    I ignored your back yard because I'm jealous - we have several acres here but it's all grass and woods and I can't float on it!
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I ignored your back yard because I'm jealous - we have several acres here but it's all grass and woods and I can't float on it!
      Everything has its pros and cons. Not many people living on a lake in NJ have acres. I do miss my farm, where I had 10 acres. Not even in the Pine Barrens.

      I remember when I would work on the farm all day and then drive the 7 miles to be able to cool-off in the lake - I felt like a Rockefeller. lol

      Our animal sanctuary has 60 acres, but I don't spend much time there. Too hard on me, physically, while I deal with these heart issues. I will in the fall, though. Looking forward to that.

      You have an open invite for long, slow float on the lake. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    I've never heard the term "monk marketer" so wouldn't know what it means.
    I've sold a few monks but they are a pain in the ass to house if they don't sell quickly. Lot's of chanting and all my wine gone...
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      Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

      I've sold a few monks but they are a pain in the ass to house if they don't sell quickly. Lot's of chanting and all my wine gone...
      Although I hear that once you get started, it can be habit-forming.
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  • Profile picture of the author boblev
    I don't see what's stopping you, go ahead and live fast and play hard...

    just try to remember to leave enough lead for a hard right before you hit that brick wall....

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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    I'd love to have rapid growth. I wish I knew the secret. Until I figure that out, I'm just gonna keep hackin away at what I'm doing now.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

    I've noticed a trend here that we aren't fans of rapid growth and keep getting this "Take it slow and steady like a turtle" approach.
    If you read most of the boards here at WF you will see the #1 complaint / hurdle is TRAFFIC. and the canned answer is simply keep at it and keep writing... kinda like build it and they will come.

    Go over to the SEO section and read how people identify traffic sourses IE keywords.. they focus more on volume than anything else.. Forget the actual ability to get those people to A click on a link or B get in front of people that will actually buy something.

    Growth in Internet Marketing is understanding the nature of the Net, and those that use it... where they go what the do, how they look for things. Identifying these things gives you the ability to target those that will benefit your endevours. GROWTH HACKING is just that - kinda on mathmatical steroids at that.

    Put a post on the main board about probabilities and significance.. and you will get crickets. What you do read is some poor guy posting "im getting 10 visitors a day and no sales" Someone will inevitably say "Oh, you need to A/B test that." It IS a very logical answer ( if you have 100X the traffic )

    The science behind growth just is not a skill set you can pick up and read about and understand... OK, I take that back.. you CAN.. but most choose not to. I mean seriously ever search " CRO " on Google? its not til recently that something that pertained to " Conversion Rate Optimization " was actually listed on the first page of listings let alone the 3 or 4th

    The bottom line why growth is shyed away from. is most people here simply do not understand traffic. And there are guys like me that DO... but its really not something you can place in a nice little box and wrap up... it kinda changes with every instance How I get traffic for boxer shorts is totally different from how I get traffic for a wordpress plugin.

    (im about to say a dirty word ) the TRUTH is understanding most of this falls back on the foundation principles of SEO. How to identify sources of traffic and what terms to use to obtain them. And the same exact principles apply if you are actually creating content to draw them from Search Engines, Paid Advertising, Social media, or e-mail marketing. BUT, SEO is a dirty word. The whole just write crap... oh my goodness.. may what ever higher power be by your side. You NEED to understand and TARGET your ideal market. KEYWORDS is how that is done.

    If people would just start looking at SEO from the discovery stage aspects.. they would better understand what it is they are doing and why.

    *** Edit / added

    So an example of growth... A few years back, I had a friend with a forum.. and he was asking me about traffic... I did some research, and we ended up striking a partnership. The research? At the time there were but a few woocommerce themes. Mystile happened to be one of them. 1,000,000 downloads at the time and little to no content. In the course of a year... I sent the traffic through the roof. here we are 5 years later and the forum has changed hands a time or 2.. type in " Mystile Theme tutorials " and look at the " uploadwp " listings on the main page.. its not even about a #1 serp listing.. it is straight up serp domination - that after 5 years its still holding ( a testimate that SEO is A effective, and B timeless if done correctly )
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  • Profile picture of the author boblev
    "Go over to the SEO section and read how people identify traffic sourses IE keywords.. they focus more on volume than anything else.. Forget the actual ability to get those people to A click on a link or B get in front of people that will actually buy something"

    Exactly, volume sheds very little light on motivation and intent. I would rather be in front of 10 people who are ready to buy, than a million that walk right past me.

    This belief in the need to scale rapidly is one of the reasons so many get caught up in the tools and automation game:They think (or have been lead to believe) that if they just spam enough people somebody is bound to buy eventually. And sometimes it works, even a broken clock is right twice a day...

    Numbers are fickle things, but the nature of man's needs hasn't changed since the dawn of time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Reddevil007
    Once you develop the skill sets to succeed at something then surely one can think of rapid growth but the thing is why would you be in such a hurry because there is stuff that you might miss when in hurry.

    You need patience in business and unfortunately many people lack that!
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    Because we are scared of change , and we are taught from our childhood that we can not resent the ideas of our elders
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    Okay so let me answer why

    People hate the concept of RAPID Growth because it's bloody difficult and in many cases we blame those that achieve it with "luck", "DNA" , conditional situation.

    Let me give you an example: i made a fortune in the App store. It was fast. I started in the industry and after just 11 months I was mainly an authority.

    I spoke in London, China, Singapore, I became Udemy best seller, Podcast guest and I CRUSHED IT..... made tons of money, got featured everywhere.... I was the fastest rising star in the App industry.

    RAPID Growth?

    Hell yeah. RAPID x 11...

    But.... it destroyed me.

    Literally.

    the Speed of the growth created weak structures in my business model and even in my personality as an entrepreneur.
    In other words, it was so fast, it was weak...

    Is RAPID growth possible?
    Yes

    But there is a measure of DEPTH.... and the DEPTH is how strong is that building you are constructing while you are growing.



    I hope this makes some sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author GS12
      Originally Posted by boblev View Post

      I'm not stalking your thread, really. I thought I would point out a few facts and add some perspective,In fact this will be my last post on the matter unless you address me directly...


      Patience is over rated. Do you think our founding fathers were "patient" when they grew America from an early stage start up into the biggest power on earth in such a short time span?

      Do you think Google or Facebook were patient?

      Do you think Tony Robbins was patient with his growth?

      Do you think CLICKFUNNELS was patient with going from $0 to $100M in 3 years?

      Come on man. We live in the rapidly growing age of 2018, patience is so 1930s.



      Out founders were more worried about harsh winters and the gallows then they were about 'growing' our future.

      Larry Page and Sergey Brin started working on Google in 1996 - but three years later in 1999, few people had even heard of it yet. But add another five years, and Google had made it, going public in 2004 with a market capitalization of $23B.

      Mark Zuckerberg, while attending Harvard as a sophomore, concocted "Facemash" in 2003 to get a lost girlfriend off his mind. He later changed the name to Facebook. In 2005, Facebook still showed a yearly net loss of $3.63 million. But within five years it became an overnight success, and now has about 400 million users worldwide.

      Tony Robbins was in sales and sweating the mortgage every month until he became an overnight success, Brunson worked long and hard before he made it, too.

      Source:https://www.businessinsider.com/gues...y-takes-2011-3


      At the end of the day, what matters Is what works for YOUR company as the proven rapid growth marketing channel.


      Agreed, whats right for you isn't necessarily a good fit for everybody.


      Agreed. Most people think too small or average and I just hate that they try to push their conservativeness on other people.

      I think BIG. It's how I scaled a multi-million dollar start up after raising big $. I just think big man. So its cringe worthy to see these "20 year experienced internet marketers" on here that try to tell me to slow down.


      Fast growth = High risk? GOOD. Nothing in life is worth it without risk. Whether it's approaching that hot girl at the bar or protecting your life in a random physical assault. Or in this case.. getting rich.

      The internet is where the internet playboys exist, not mom and pop stores.

      There is a difference between an ENTREPRENEUR and a small business owner....



      Theres a fine line between thinking big and dreaming...


      'you' scaled a multi-million dollar start up after raising big $, congrats.

      give us a ring when you find that angel investor to fund your current venture. It's easy to push the chips ALL IN when it's not your scratch on the felt..


      There's a difference between entrepreneurs and small business owners.

      Rapid growth and risk taking Is an entrepreneur. HELL, entrepreneur means risk-taker in French!

      You guys are crazy for not LOVING risk

      It's in our blood as Americans.

      Move to the UK if you like to be comfortable without risk (Kidding, stay).

      But don't blanket your pessimistic culture over an entire forum where there are also optimistic people that want to change the world.

      Rapid growth is possible via VIRALITY + PAID ADS + PR + etc.

      Don't just give blanket generalised statements like "Going fast means you might crash". Tell that to Usain Bolt or NASCAR Drivers.

      Anything then being average.

      Rapid success.

      This is the Gen Y Entrepreneur mindset.

      And it's why you see today's billionaires and millionaires getting there so much faster then slow talking Cryptocurrency haters like Warren Buffet.



      I don't understand why you are so defensive, You asked for opinions on an open forum, people answered honestly. You didn't like the answers so now you want to change the culture here?

      Dude! How long have you really been on the Internet? I promise I won't tell anybody.

      As far as i can tell, everyone on this thread has said go for it, so what is stopping you?

      Bob
      Bob, regarding your words about "over night successes" with the above mainstream founder names.. I agree BUT here's the thing. They all became "successful" as millionaires fast. Zucks became a millionaire after his first seed round. Same with Google. Brunson always talks about how his first companies were rapid growth (e.g. the supplement one). Robbins makes sense as his business model (Again its specific) of being a major coaching sensation was akin to the roadmap of becoming a celebrity which takes ages.

      But its all about the SPECIFIC BUSINESS MODEL. Some business models get you there FASTER... and some get you there SLOWER..

      Tech Start Ups = FASTER.

      Coaching Sensation/Celebrity = SLOWER.

      In the age of the internet however, things have rapidy accelerated. So we can't use examples like Tony Robbins as I GUARANTEE you that Robbins would of gotten there faster IF the internet was in the stage it is today.. back then.

      We live in a day and age where you can become the most hated man in the world in one day or the most famous company. Virality is the name of the game.



      Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

      Okay so let me answer why

      People hate the concept of RAPID Growth because it's bloody difficult and in many cases we blame those that achieve it with "luck", "DNA" , conditional situation.

      Let me give you an example: i made a fortune in the App store. It was fast. I started in the industry and after just 11 months I was mainly an authority.

      I spoke in London, China, Singapore, I became Udemy best seller, Podcast guest and I CRUSHED IT..... made tons of money, got featured everywhere.... I was the fastest rising star in the App industry.

      RAPID Growth?

      Hell yeah. RAPID x 11...

      But.... it destroyed me.

      Literally.

      the Speed of the growth created weak structures in my business model and even in my personality as an entrepreneur.
      In other words, it was so fast, it was weak...

      Is RAPID growth possible?
      Yes

      But there is a measure of DEPTH.... and the DEPTH is how strong is that building you are constructing while you are growing.



      I hope this makes some sense.
      I am most akin to your opinion, not because you're the big daddy around here. But because you've given the most concrete first hand experience similar to my own of having an app that rapidly grew with big PR.

      Let me tell you something Gabriel, you killed it with rapid growth and showed that it's POSSIBLE. There's nothing in your DNA as these people say that makes you a rapid growth guy. It's the fact that you implemented a STRATEGY set for rapid growth I'm sure. You had PR + an app (fast growth biz model I assume it was) + you were profitable. That made you grow rapidly + BLOW UP your Personal brand + made you big money.

      You say it destroyed you as a person, thats an individual level and I can't comment on that as the topic of discussion here is strictly commercial focused (RE Rapidly growing a biz model).

      If the speed of growth created holes in your biz model, I'm sure you could fix them once you got to the top fast?

      Again, it's all specific to the situation: The person (are they rapid growth types or content with a lifestyle biz of $50k/year)... the business model (is it a lemonade stand or a business that can rapidly grow from ONE SALES FUNNEL with Paid Advertising? Is it a business that can rapidly grow from PR + CONTESTS + ORGANIC VIRALITY? Or is it just another shit-hole blog about saving the sharks owned by some hipster couple that named their kid India from a gentrified inner-city neighbourhood, that blog in their organic cafes?


      It's about situation. And my situation is that I'm young, ambitious, with a rapid growth mindset. Going for business models that are ONLY rapid growth focused with all or most of the following variables: Virality + PR-Worthy + Serve a hungry market + Incredible offer + Work with paid advertising extremely well + Fundable in the future when you want to scale to $100M.


      I always say that you Australians have the best tech entrepreneur mentality of being lean with your start up costs.. imagine if you combined that with a better funding environment. The ultimate entrepreneurial situation. Being good with costs with tons of $. Silicon Valley meets Surry Hills.

      I'll end this post with the following quote:

      Gordon Gekko: I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richa seth
    It Depends whether we are doing SMART WORK or HARD WORK.....According to me We should work SMARTLY to grow faster...Off-course Smart Work doesn't mean shortcuts....but making Wise Decisions and strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobreedd
    In order to get rich on the Internet, you do not need a whole life. In order to quickly get rich on the Internet, you need a cool idea for the project and its implementation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    It's a matter of lifestyle preference. You can either spend the next 5 years trying to make $10k/month from a straight pitch page sales letter (perfected by a "guru") with no backend marketing.... or ...you can make your foundation email marketing over the next 5 years and actually start earning around $1k-$2k per month following simple methods.

    $1k-$2k per month doesn't sound like alot of money, but for MOST people, it's enough to keep them from NEVER working a job again.

    But they hear the $10k/month talk within 30 days, and get blinded from the highest probability route... the slow one. How do you want to live your life 5 years from now? What is you're 30 years old now, and 5 years from now (35) you're making $1k/$2k a month?

    Then... what is by age 40, you compound that money from more knowledge and experience, and actually begin making $10k/month. What route would you really want to follow? Life isn't going anywhere. I like the slow route. More people should.
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  • People misconstrue rapid growth with the "get rich quick" thinking.
    In my opinion it has nothing to do with it.
    Rapid growth occurs when one is offering the greatest solution to the biggest problem people may have.
    Combine that with a great system and alot of hard work(emphasis on working consistently to achieve momentum and massive results), and rapid growth can occur.
    Rapid Growth is directly related to what you are offering and marketing efforts and should not be seen as a "dirty word".
    For the skeptics, we are not advocating "get rich quick" type scenarios.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author GS12
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      It's a matter of lifestyle preference. You can either spend the next 5 years trying to make $10k/month from a straight pitch page sales letter (perfected by a "guru") with no backend marketing.... or ...you can make your foundation email marketing over the next 5 years and actually start earning around $1k-$2k per month following simple methods.

      $1k-$2k per month doesn't sound like alot of money, but for MOST people, it's enough to keep them from NEVER working a job again.

      But they hear the $10k/month talk within 30 days, and get blinded from the highest probability route... the slow one. How do you want to live your life 5 years from now? What is you're 30 years old now, and 5 years from now (35) you're making $1k/$2k a month?

      Then... what is by age 40, you compound that money from more knowledge and experience, and actually begin making $10k/month. What route would you really want to follow? Life isn't going anywhere. I like the slow route. More people should.
      "Life isn't going anywhere". WRONG.

      You can die tomorrow.

      Enjoying your six-figure salary in your 20s is FAR better then enjoying it in your 40s.

      Screw the slow route. If you want to be rich at 60 then go do a 9-5 and save every penny till you have a $1M net worth.

      Why would I not want to be rich young? It's not a pipe dream, many have achieved it.

      And it all lies in being rapid growth focused.

      $1k-$2k a month is dog sh*t if you want to live THE good life.

      We need to understand that there is in fact a portion of the IM Community that won't settle for $1K-$2K/mo which is poverty level in the US.

      $10K-$100K/mo? Now we're talking. Think bigger. Think American.



      Originally Posted by George Dionisopoulos View Post

      People misconstrue rapid growth with the "get rich quick" thinking.
      In my opinion it has nothing to do with it.
      Rapid growth occurs when one is offering the greatest solution to the biggest problem people may have.
      Combine that with a great system and alot of hard work(emphasis on working consistently to achieve momentum and massive results), and rapid growth can occur.
      Rapid Growth is directly related to what you are offering and marketing efforts and should not be seen as a "dirty word".
      For the skeptics, we are not advocating "get rich quick" type scenarios.
      Thanks
      Rapid growth is growing revenue fast, period.

      Let's not say the same old IM crap about "Providing the most value" etc as that's overly used and buzz word-ish.

      Bottom line, its all about growing your top line as fast as possible.

      Have the right offer to the right target market, with rapid growth marketing strategy... and ANYTHING is possible, my friends.
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      • Profile picture of the author boblev
        "Rapid growth is growing revenue fast, period.

        Let's not say the same old IM crap about "Providing the most value" etc as that's overly used and buzz word-ish.

        Bottom line, its all about growing your top line as fast as possible."


        Spammers everywhere agree

        If you are going to grow rapidly you had better provide Value, because your reputation is the only currency that really matters in this game.

        The better way is to use your own two eyes and pay close attention to what's working right now from both the slow growth perspective AND the spam machines.

        My point is, you had better incorporate processes that work and provide value if you expect longevity.

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

    I'd say GS it is that good old, 4 lettered F word: FEAR

    Hey; nothing wrong with having worldly success quickly. But the split second you add a time element to goals, you fear running out of time. Big time Mind Eff here, because ego fights this truth, but thinking it through, you know it is so.

    Many experienced Warriors who have enjoyed the ride - ups and downs - know it takes years to build something:

    PS...as an aside, always ask yourself...."What the frick is the rush?" Gets me on purpose again.
    True, l have been rushing for the last 10 years, and even now, (with the stockmarket) have to take it a bit more slower than l would prefer.

    Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

    Let's think good old American ambition.

    Bro, I asked that question because I wanted to know a course that I could get inspired from to create myself and sell to noobs with my new young entrepreneur-media authority site that I'm building.

    Also, if you've had fast profit let me know an example as I'd love to hear it. (It would be a first for me on this awesome forum, so I'm genuinely interested).

    Good to know my man Russel was posting here. Dude is an inspiration. "You're only one funnel away" was one of the most powerful slogans I've ever seen in B2B Marketing.

    Anyways, I'm just a Manhattan kid with big dreams wanting to make it big and fast. Maybe it's a culture thing.
    Yes, Frank Kern has had million dollar profit days, (l know l watched one of his videos once) but it took him more than 10 years to do it.

    But l do have the occasional apple pie.

    Originally Posted by GS12 View Post

    Patience is over rated. Do you think our founding fathers were "patient" when they grew America from an early stage start up into the biggest power on earth in such a short time span?

    Do you think Google or Facebook were patient?

    Do you think Tony Robbins was patient with his growth?

    Do you think CLICKFUNNELS was patient with going from $0 to $100M in 3 years?

    Come on man. We live in the rapidly growing age of 2018, patience is so 1930s.

    At the end of the day, what matters Is what works for YOUR company as the proven rapid growth marketing channel.

    Agreed. Most people think too small or average and I just hate that they try to push their conservativeness on other people.

    I think BIG. It's how I scaled a multi-million dollar start up after raising big $. I just think big man. So its cringe worthy to see these "20 year experienced internet marketers" on here that try to tell me to slow down.

    Fast growth = High risk? GOOD. Nothing in life is worth it without risk. Whether it's approaching that hot girl at the bar or protecting your life in a random physical assault. Or in this case.. getting rich.

    The internet is where the internet playboys exist, not mom and pop stores.

    There is a difference between an ENTREPRENEUR and a small business owner....




    There's a difference between entrepreneurs and small business owners.

    Rapid growth and risk taking Is an entrepreneur. HELL, entrepreneur means risk-taker in French!

    You guys are crazy for not LOVING risk

    It's in our blood as Americans.

    Move to the UK if you like to be comfortable without risk (Kidding, stay).

    But don't blanket your pessimistic culture over an entire forum where there are also optimistic people that want to change the world.

    Rapid growth is possible via VIRALITY + PAID ADS + PR + etc.

    Don't just give blanket generalised statements like "Going fast means you might crash". Tell that to Usain Bolt or NASCAR Drivers.

    Anything then being average.

    Rapid success.

    This is the Gen Y Entrepreneur mindset.

    And it's why you see today's billionaires and millionaires getting there so much faster then slow talking Cryptocurrency haters like Warren Buffet.
    I am fine with risk, but reality tends to put on the brakes.

    I certainly took a risk with my flyer business, put a year into that, did about 300 flyers in a year, and almost burned out. But the little money it brings in is nice, but the business model falling in a heap wasn't.

    Now l am doing stockmarket investing, no ceiling, but unless l have a good idea as to what l am doing, potentially high risk.




    PS Tony Robbins, phew, let's not go there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Yes, Frank Kern has had million dollar profit days, (l know l watched one of his videos once) but it took him more than 10 years to do it.
      Not to mention his date with the Federal Trade Commission during that first decade.

      Edit:
      I like Frank, and he's (obviously) much more savvy now, but his initial attempts at "Rapid Growth" landed him in serious legal trouble with the Feds.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

    Not to mention his date with the Federal Trade Commission during that first decade.

    Edit:
    I like Frank, and he's (obviously) much more savvy now, but his initial attempts at "Rapid Growth" landed him in serious legal trouble with the Feds.
    Yes, he comes home one day and is greeted by the Feds, and goes through hell trying to convince them that the a****e who is selling his products is the culprit.

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  • Profile picture of the author PaulLanders
    why do you think that it is almost impossible? I believe that everyone has his own way.
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