Market Samuri and Google

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Hi - hope someone can explain this to me as I am completely confused.

I am using Market Samurai and am confused by what it tells me.

When I check for my blogs,articles etc using Google I can find some of my stuff on page 2. But then when I go to MS and check for the same things in the SEO competition module I find them on page 1. When I click the 'see results in Google' button it takes me to a list of Google results which show the same as MS.

So what is the difference between the two? I had both of the Google pages up at the same time and there is a lot of difference.

I would like to believe the MS results as they place me on page 1 (which would be a first for me and a great excuse for a bottle of bubbly this weekend) but I know I need to be realistic and not get too excited!

I am aware that I may be asking a dumb question but hope that some kind person will set me straight.

Pauline
#google #market #samuri
  • Profile picture of the author stream2
    I would look into the forums at MS and ask that question there. I have had similar problems. I dont think its anything to worry about-- there is so much data being thrown around that it s probobly no always going to be the same
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Do you want the truth....almost 90% of what was on Market Sumuri I already knew, so I didn't sign up.
    I am already ranking about 98% of my websites, not a bad average.
    And I have a lot of them.
    Most of what they offer is candy coated frosting, and graphs and charts, looks great, but not going to get the job done.
    I have heard a lot of positive talk about it, from many people claiming to be SEO experts, but most of these people, couldn't rank a flea online.
    Enough said......look you can go online, and find codes and scripts already designed to give you most of the info....you don't have to pay for it...also learn SEO skills and very advanced SEO skills.........I have seen things created but not shared by many, the the real Internet experts use...not the so called gurus.....and they are light years ahead because they invent new idea's............I myself am creative and coming up with new SEO skills over the past 2 years never seen before. I may write an ebook about this one day.
    But it could take 100 pages and I am semi retired from selling online.....I just keep my hand in it, but don;t need the money.

    Anyways do some research.......it will take a few 100 hours.....but it's worth it !!
    Only 1 percent of 1 percent ever make any real money online.
    Because they do something original,and find new ways to advertise and sell.
    They stay not just a step ahead of you...but light years ahead of you.
    For most of you.....5 years from now you'll finally learn how people today are really making money online......and many who claim to be the best of you...it still will take 18 months toi 2 years to play catch up.
    The real business SEO experts never share......the only way to learn what they know is by spying online.....but you better know every trick in the book.....then create a better system to beat there's
    Also I am not bragging....only pointing out the fact....that maybe 2 or 3 people in all Warriors forum even knows what I am really talking about here.
    There are secret codes being used to greatly increase web traffic from all angles of the Internet.....and I am not talking baclinks here......but cron codes that secretly create accounts online in many countries that aim links back at websites.
    This causes google to rank you higher......imagine creating 5,000 websites a day aim with links at your site world wide every day for 2 months......then imagine posting your website up on google a month later...after you already have massive backlinks......then all you have to do is ad...a few backlinks each day....and google won't ban you.....I know you people think you'll get busted......but not if it was already created before you get ranked on google....infact...it would be worth waiting even 3 months before you post the site....so the smoke really clears first.

    Yes There are many ways to beat google....I know most will not believe me.....but we did this on ebay, a few years back !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    It doesn't matter that it was long, but you provided absolutely no information that is helpful to the question she asked.

    Pauline, it might be because Google tracks sites you visit. If you visit competitors sites a lot they might be ranked higher than your own when you look at Google through a browser.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Kevin you're wrong...I did give info....!!
    The truth is you can learn this online for free.....
    I studied this for years.....a little research and you'll find the answers on google....just ask google....I am not going to tell where to get the info...I don't want people thinking I am selling anything.

    Also Don't let software companies confuse you.....if you think these companies rank everyone think again....If everyone wanted to rank a website called - "How To Make Money Online" do you think 5 million websites will be ranked on googles front page.....please reason this...it takes more than software that makes you dream....you have to find real ways to acomplish the JOB right....

    Also....I guess people do not realize you can just ask google anything....including posting html codes and java scripts on the google browser , that you do not understand....and most times google will explain what it is.........Think of google is an online - College Of Knowlege...for anyone willing to work hard and earn it !!
    I do give out info and have been thanked many times online.
    Check my record....but many times like this, I feel some one need to learn how to fish, to catch more fish !!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
      Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post

      Kevin you're wrong...I did give info....!!
      The truth is you can learn this online for free.....
      I studied this for years.....a little research and you'll find the answers on google....just ask google....I am not going to tell where to get the info...I don't want people thinking I am selling anything.

      Also Don't let software companies confuse you.....if you think these companies rank everyone think again....If everyone wanted to rank a website called - "How To Make Money Online" do you think 5 million websites will be ranked on googles front page.....please reason this...it takes more than software that makes you dream....you have to find real ways to acomplish the JOB right....

      Also....I guess people do not realize you can just ask google anything....including posting html codes and java scripts on the google browser , that you do not understand....and most times google will explain what it is.........Think of google is an online - College Of Knowlege...for anyone willing to work hard and earn it !!
      I do give out info and have been thanked many times online.
      Check my record....but many times like this, I feel some one need to learn how to fish, to catch more fish !!
      You, sound like a skipping record, in every single one of your posts. You always say " I'm, not going to give you the answers, it took me years to master them...etc". Forget, the answers. Try to provide a benefit to a post sometime, I agree with Kevin... You provided no value at all to this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
        Originally Posted by Magic Mel View Post

        You, sound like a skipping record, in every single one of your posts. You always say " I'm, not going to give you the answers, it took me years to master them...etc". Forget, the answers. Try to provide a benefit to a post sometime, I agree with Kevin... You provided no value at all to this thread.

        Ok...without starting a online fued....Kevin and Magic Mel have attacked me online many times.....hope the mods check into this.....end of story

        Also I have many people thanking me for my help....that wouldn;t happen if all I say was of no use....think about you 2.....if you guys are as smart as you claim.....spill the real truth....because I did
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        • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
          Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post

          Ok...without starting a online fued....Kevin and Magic Mel have attacked me online many times.....hope the mods check into this.....end of story

          Also I have many people thanking me for my help....that wouldn;t happen if all I say was of no use....think about you 2.....if you guys are as smart as you claim.....spill the real truth....because I did
          Get Real! Your posts are never helpful, If you think people... should spend "100s of hours doing research" is beneficial to their business, then I will rest my case. I am not attacking anyone, but when I see the... same lame posts that you bring on, then I have a right as a senior warrior to speak my mind.

          Allen, Mods know me well dood. If I was attacking people, then I'd be gone long-time ago!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    You gave lots of info. I just said that you didn't give any helpful info. And you didn't. She asked why her search results were differing and you gave her paragraphs about why she shouldn't use Market Samurai and random stuff about how cool Google is.

    Then you went off on a tangent that still doesn't make sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    Yeah I don't care to continue to dispute with you over this. I hope a mod looks into your posts. Anyways, Pauline (if you're still around lol) you should go to the bottom of your Google search results and see if there is anything about Google ranking them by preference or about them keeping track of your searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Ok Kevin and Magic Mel....you want the truth ?

    I can't see paying for software....if it can be found online.
    Simple things like...going on Yahoo and posting this code ( Linkdomain:yourwebsite.com ) without using the ( http://www ) .... like ( Linkdomain:microsoft.com ) for example ..... but you must use yahoo's browser to do this...not googles....This will tell you how many people are linked to sites.....tell you how many pages a website has, and you'll know what catalogs and businesses many companies do business with ( that was a simple code baby stuff ) next..... or you can use Google Page Rank to check PR of a site ...Or Keyword Density Checkers that are free online, to see which are the most used and powerful keywords........but the best way is by learning html skills,SEO skills, and knowing real life ways of building a website from the ground up so you can get ranked on google every time. Keyword Phrases are more powerful than ...plain keywords and keyword Desity checkers are no use here !!

    Common sense of learning real skills....that's what makes experts, not online software that can't rank the masses.
    It confuses people...and they get no-where fast.
    People want to make money online now.,...and want to make money fast.
    They need to head in the right direction....and that's to learn....Learn to Earn
    Then they can do it over and over again
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Ok guys...anyone with a little salt should know that stuff.....
    It's baby walking online, but it is much of what is being used.
    There's so much more I could go into.,...but I will not.

    The reason is simple I spent years learning to earn, and it's good for others to learn also....I don't believe in giving a free ride to everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
    Hi Mr. Money Maker, I am fairly sure that most people are quite familiar with all that you have posted above.
    If you want to start a thread to show us all how much you know, then please feel free too. I am sure that a lot of people will read it.

    As for the thread that you are posting on, your responses are completely off topic and inappropriate. They are not helping anyone.

    So off you go and do a few more 100s of hours of research rather than posting your unhelpful responses here.
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    • Profile picture of the author dwinland
      Pauline,

      There are a couple of things you can check that might explain the discrepancy.

      Kevin mentioned one related to Google watching your surfing habits. When you are checking your rankings on Google through your browser, make sure you are completely logged out of any Google pages or apps (including gmail, google toolbar, etc.). You might even try checking once when logged in and then checking again to see if there is any difference.

      The other thing is MS connection to the Google servers. Here in the US the default is the US Google server. I don't know if this is the default for MS regardless of where you live. So, if you are doing your regular searches with the UK Google server and your MS searches with the US Google server, there could very well be a difference.

      Then again, it could be something completely different (it's Monty Python's 40th anniversary, by the way ).

      Just wanting to provide targeted and helpful information.

      Darren Winland
      BamaMarketer
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  • Profile picture of the author Pauline60
    Oh dear I seem to have started an argument, sorry..anyway thanks to everyone for their replies.
    I use MS to save me time which for me is limited with four children and a number of comittments and also I lack the skills at present to do more of my own research.

    I can't see any reference to Google tracking what I am looking at etc so I think it probably is as Darren mentioned it might be - that I am seeing Uk search results when I Google and US results when I look at MS.

    Whatever it is at least I am seeing my sites, such as they are, getting near to the first page instead of tens of pages back! And I have to say that its been as a result of applying some of the tips I have picked up since joining this forum.

    Darren - I didn't realise Python was 40 this year -I must be getting very old cos I watched it when it first aired!

    Pauline
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  • Profile picture of the author bahnsurf
    Originally Posted by Pauline60 View Post

    Hi - hope someone can explain this to me as I am completely confused.

    I am using Market Samurai and am confused by what it tells me.

    When I check for my blogs,articles etc using Google I can find some of my stuff on page 2. But then when I go to MS and check for the same things in the SEO competition module I find them on page 1. When I click the 'see results in Google' button it takes me to a list of Google results which show the same as MS.

    So what is the difference between the two? I had both of the Google pages up at the same time and there is a lot of difference.

    I would like to believe the MS results as they place me on page 1 (which would be a first for me and a great excuse for a bottle of bubbly this weekend) but I know I need to be realistic and not get too excited!

    I am aware that I may be asking a dumb question but hope that some kind person will set me straight.

    Pauline
    Hi Pauline,

    Don't get upset for what you find. They are fetching from different database as what we are seeing. Sometime you may get the same, sometime not. But is all the same.

    If you want, try comparing the url you get from your browser and from within MS. You will notice a slight different somewhere in the middle of the url. It suppose to say country region or something like that.

    It happens to me too. I not too worried about as 9 out of 10 times i search in google.com, it appears where it suppose should be.

    The only problem comes when it give you the wrong result when searching for SEOT and SEOC. Be very careful with that. Always double check if you see suspicions numbers.

    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Whosyou
    Hi Pauline

    In Market samurai under project setting check the Language/Region setting.

    You are in the UK, MS defaults to "All countries and territories" (i think)

    If you change this to United kingdom your results should match, because you are in the UK google is showing you results more relevent to the UK, However MS is showing you the top results for your keyword World wide!. Hope this makes sense and helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pauline60
    I will check the MS settings, hadn't thought of that so thanks for that suggestion.
    Going back to the point Kevin made about Google tracking my preferences -I have just looked at Google again and noticed that in small print it said 'personalized based on your web history' so it is tracking what I search. I clicked on the option to see what the results are without including my preferences and to my delight I found that I really am on the first page and not only that I have 5 of the ten spots.
    To say I was surprised would be an understatement as I have been getting nowhere up to now but I am certainly happy!

    Thanks again to everyone for your help and advice it is very much appreciated.

    Pauline
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    • Profile picture of the author dotslash
      Hi Pauline,

      The search results are becoming increasingly customised, depending on numerous factors. The best yardstick is the traffic you receive, use the rankings as a guide - the proof is in the traffic you receive.

      You'll have hundreds of different rankings based on location, IP address, history - these will also fluctuate over time - the only proof you'll really have is the traffic from your rankings.

      Neil
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Yeah, it is due to personalisation settings and other cookies that Google collects about your search habits. Google also has numerous servers which also offers different results. Personalisation can be disabled by adding "&pws=0" to the end of search query - sign out of Google Accounts too. Market Samurai I think uses the default server with it disabled by default. There are scripts around that lets you search the various Google servers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    I still say everyone wants to rank high online....no software is going to rank 2 million people all aiming to get ranked in the " How To Make Money Online", Category on googles main front page....only about 10 will ever get on there !!

    All things being the same no software can provide this.....so why bother?
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    • Profile picture of the author verbose
      Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post

      I still say everyone wants to rank high online....no software is going to rank 2 million people all aiming to get ranked in the " How To Make Money Online", Category on googles main front page....only about 10 will ever get on there !!

      All things being the same no software can provide this.....so why bother?
      Dude what you are suppose to do in forum is not Hijack thread. The OP wished to know why there was a difference between 2 results. You never ed answered the question and spent the whole time trying to show what a big shot you are and how smart you are compared to rest of us all I can say to Kiss My A...
      Learn some forum Etiquette Do not Hi Jack threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Hey Mr Money Maker,

    No pun intended but it seems to me that you have a grudge for kw tools or more particular, for MS in this thread.

    Don't worry though, cause it's other people's own money that they are spending and you can't tell others what to or not to do. People make their own choices right like you did when you said these tools are a waste of time. So we can't really make you change your mind when you've already made your mind up. It's the same with others

    So anyways, i like MS as it helps me save time with my research. I really don't want to look for kw's one by one in google just to check the competing pages or to check the backlinks, or the pr, domain age, optimization of pages, backlinks etc etc...and you're right when you say no software will help you get rankings, but lots of software will definitely help you analyze competition. What gets you rankings is your own effort.

    Sure there might be free tools to do this but again, it's the people's choice whether to use MS or KE2 or MNF or whatever tools there are right. I still wish you luck in your online ventures and i'm sure that you wish that for everyone as well...

    Cheers mate! and hopefully my post did not sound offensive to you
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    • Profile picture of the author Mattress
      I have been using Market Samurai for 2 years and it gets better all the time. While there are other methods for the beginner it is terrific. I am on page 1 for twenty two keywords on my main website by using Market Samurai I do no pay advertising I just use the things taught on 30dc first and then I read every guru's free stuff and use what I learn from them. If Market Samirai has done nothing it has helped me in link building and ad creation.
      I believe your problem is simple but I may be wrong.
      While MS gives you keywords in broad match(no qoutes) its results are in phrase match(with qoutes) this will give you different results. For help in getting information on the websights in both use firefox and the seo plugin it is free and I have found it useful.
      MS is starting a new video series you should watch them
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