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We are on the cusp of a new year, and that means one thing for most people; self examination.

While there is no logical reason to choose this time of year over any other, western culture demands it, so here it is.

I had a glance at my warrior friends list, and it was grim reading.

Many of the people who were 'movers and shakers' when I first joined the warrior forum have long gone.

Be it failure, lost interest or even the ultimate book-end, death itself, they have moved on.

I myself am a natural lurker. I don't like to be out front, I prefer the shadows.

I could make $10000 dollars in a day, or zero $ in a year. Either way, you won't hear about it on this forum.

Why this post?

I'd like to encourage newbies.

I was once, like everyone else, as green as can be.

Over the years I tried every conceivable way of making money online, and I leant a few things along the way.

Now, everyone loves a list, so, hang tight, here it is.

Some things I have learnt since joining the warrior forum;

MLM. If you are a natural sales person yes. Otherwise, no.

Warrior Special Offers. No.

Any other special offers. No.

Massive product launches. No.

Mentoring. No.

Coaching. No.

Specialist Coaching. No.

Once in a lifetime I don't normally do coaching but on this occasion it's only $xxx. No

Warrior special offers. Again, no.

Online guru who will help you to make it over the line. No.

Amazing best selling blah warrior special blah, nobody sold more of this type of thing etc. No.

Mind blowing software/coach/forum/other that you MUST HAVE. No.


In short, if you are a buyer you are a customer.

If you are a producer, a creator or you are selling something, you win.

Thank you for reading this, have a great 2019.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by Richard A.Cox View Post

    We are on the cusp of a new year, and that means one thing for most people; self examination.

    While there is no logical reason to choose this time of year over any other, western culture demands it, so here it is.

    I had a glance at my warrior friends list, and it was grim reading.

    Many of the people who were 'movers and shakers' when I first joined the warrior forum have long gone.

    Be it failure, lost interest or even the ultimate book-end, death itself, they have moved on.

    I myself am a natural lurker. I don't like to be out front, I prefer the shadows.

    I could make $10000 dollars in a day, or zero $ in a year. Either way, you won't hear about it on this forum.

    Why this post?

    I'd like to encourage newbies.

    I was once, like everyone else, as green as can be.

    Over the years I tried every conceivable way of making money online, and I leant a few things along the way.

    Now, everyone loves a list, so, hang tight, here it is.

    Some things I have learnt since joining the warrior forum;

    MLM. If you are a natural sales person yes. Otherwise, no.

    Warrior Special Offers. No.

    Any other special offers. No.

    Massive product launches. No.

    Mentoring. No.

    Coaching. No.

    Specialist Coaching. No.

    Once in a lifetime I don't normally do coaching but on this occasion it's only . No

    Warrior special offers. Again, no.

    Online guru who will help you to make it over the line. No.

    Amazing best selling blah warrior special blah, nobody sold more of this type of thing etc. No.

    Mind blowing software/coach/forum/other that you MUST HAVE. No.


    In short, if you are a buyer you are a customer.

    If you are a producer, a creator or you are selling something, you win.

    Thank you for reading this, have a great 2019.
    YOU like to encourage newbies, every once in awhile, on average 18 posts a year for the last 10 years. Hope they all were more than lists of opinions on what not to do.

    Some opposite experience, if I may:

    Best MLM people I know/knew were introverts, but as often as not strong couples who were sociable, liked to be around people. Maybe the natural guy can make it in MLM, but I think we could find proof to the otherwise.

    NO WSO? I paid 7 dollars for a WSO (I think it was Jonathon Leger, but I could be wrong) and made 1000x what I paid, which isn't much, but by being a buyer, I profited from something I wouldn't have.

    Mentoring? NO? I may agree with no coaching, but even then would not render an absolute. I've had several mentors, (whom, by the way, never charged or rec'd a dime from me), who were invaluable and even priceless with their wisdom, experience and knowledge.

    Everyone loves a LIST? I DON'T. Mostly cringe when I see one headed my way.

    But, your help for the newbie, from the shadows, is...

    If you are a producer, a creator or you are selling something, you win.

    I can't argue with that. It is, however, a little short on the HOW TO part of the help, wouldn't you agree?

    So thanks, and you're welcome, I read it. See you next year?

    GordonJ
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      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      I paid 7 dollars for a WSO (I think it was Jonathon Leger, but I could be wrong) and made 1000x what I paid, which isn't much, but by being a buyer, I profited from something I wouldn't have.
      GordonJ
      That's an impressive return and as a newbie, I'd be more than happy with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Manu
    So, your review for the year is that the only way to make money is to spend none?

    How is that working for you?

    As far as I know, if you are a producer, a creator or you are selling something (online), you need:
    - A professionally made website
    - Professional design
    - Words that sell
    - Specialized knowledge that requires courses, books etc.
    - Maybe even some kind of software.

    And all of these costs money.

    I don't believe in "BUY THIS GUIDE AND BE A MILLIONAIRE" type of things either, and they are foolish, but to put everything you pay for in that category is delusional, to put it mildly.

    Have a great 2019 too!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Some things I have learnt since joining the warrior forum;

    MLM. If you are a natural sales person yes. Otherwise, no.

    Warrior Special Offers. No.

    Any other special offers. No.

    Massive product launches. No.

    Mentoring. No.

    Coaching. No.

    Specialist Coaching. No.

    Once in a lifetime I don't normally do coaching but on this occasion it's only . No

    Warrior special offers. Again, no.

    Online guru who will help you to make it over the line. No.

    Amazing best selling blah warrior special blah, nobody sold more of this type of thing etc. No.

    Mind blowing software/coach/forum/other that you MUST HAVE. No.
    So you failed at everything you "tried." 98% do.

    Exactly where is the "encouragement" for newbies?

    Brent
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    I think there was a missed point here... you could be consuming content until your blue in the face.. OR you could be creating content and on the path to success.

    Yes you could buy a WSO and make 1000X But you actually did something with it... you could have a mentor you pay.. but you did something with it. you could have spent money on this that and the other.. but you actually did something with it...

    The point as I read it.. ACTION dictates SUCCESS - Stop mining for the Gold Nugget and start CREATING.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      I think there was a missed point here... you could be consuming content until your blue in the face.. OR you could be creating content and on the path to success.

      Yes you could buy a WSO and make 1000X But you actually did something with it... you could have a mentor you pay.. but you did something with it. you could have spent money on this that and the other.. but you actually did something with it...

      The point as I read it.. ACTION dictates SUCCESS - Stop mining for the Gold Nugget and start CREATING.
      Yes. But...

      He didn't say that. You inferred it. He may have implied it. But he didn't say that.

      He made a list of NO, no, no AND MORE no.

      WHO, without naming names, consumes blue face turning content ad infinitum? Even the dumbest and stupidest among us will either run out of money, or give up...

      YOUR point, of actually DOING something with the stuff one consumes, is valid and I agree and maybe most of us do.

      But, you read something between the lines of what he wrote. Most of us are not that gifted, we have to take things as they are presented to us.

      GordonJ

      PS. I don't get the reason for the post, if it was meant to HELP newbies, or enlighten them somehow, it was hard for many of us to see that.
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    While everything you say, "No," to might be a no for you, they are obviously a "Yes," for others or they wouldn't exist. I'm not rating their effectiveness, only that for some, based on their desires and skill set, they are viable options.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Many of the people who were 'movers and shakers' when I first joined the warrior forum have long gone.

    Be it failure, lost interest or even the ultimate book-end, death itself, they have moved on.
    You don't mention 'success' - in fact, don't mention it much at all.

    Some of the top marketers online were once active members on this forum. For many, this forum was a stepping stone to success - a platforum for a certain level of their own online businesses.

    How did you miss that part?

    Filsaime, John Reese, Mike Humphrey, and many other 'names' in IM used to post here regularly. Many other marketers with well known businesses STARTED on this forum. Many marketers move on when their business grows beyond this forum - and many others have retired.

    In ten years on the forum - you should have figured that out. Nothing online is static.

    It is true if you are a buyer, you are part of another marketer's 'target market'....and that can be a bad habit. But - you may need to spend money to learn how to sell online....you may need to pay for help to learn how to do something that WILL make money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      It is true if you are a buyer, you are part of another marketer's 'target market'..
      But, without buyers, there would be NO successful marketers. At some level it's a symbiotic relationship. It works best when good products are sold to people that will actually put them to use. Therein, lies the rub.

      If people stopped buying, I'm wondering who the first person would be to complain the loudest?
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    How does this help?
    Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

    So you failed at everything you "tried." 98% do.
    THIS LIST.. apparently might help the 98% - and its not my words!

    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    While everything you say, "No," to might be a no for you, they are obviously a "Yes," for others or they wouldn't exist.
    YOU know better than this.. again using Brents Data ( that HAS to be accurate ) the exact opposite of what you are saying is true. The actual end user value means nothing after the sale.. its the value placed on the product prior to the sale that matters.

    Its not my fault the guy didnt come out and say in 2019 STOP following shiny objects and just do. Its no wonder I got the concept.. look at my sig line.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fiskal
    For me who's a noob to this forum, thx. Helps me weed out a lot of posts to not go to.

    I know what ya mean too.

    Happy new year
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    I wouldn't say it's a no - unless you're just consuming information and doing nothing with it.

    Thanks for the reminder but I wouldn't be an extreme as that in the sense that there are items that are great and would actually help in having success.

    Kevin
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