Here is an idea. Maybe a Warrior can achieve financial freedom while helping others.

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Yes, we have linkedIn, and meetup, and the many sites where COACHES offer their services.

But here is an idea. Let me tell you why. In the last two weeks, I've communicated with over a dozen people, and they ALL need some sort of coaching, or mentoring, or guidance or partnerships.

Someone should start a site like the old GURUDAQ, where all the known gurus of IM were listed and had a rating (it was cheesy, self serving and quite funny actually)...but what it did was shine some light on who was doing what.

A site where COACHES of all kinds could have a page about their services, where people could go and search for someone compatible with their needs and budgets, to meet and hookup.

YOU could charge a small fee from both sides, to get listed, or to search the listings. And I think YOU could find a ton of COACHES right here at the WF. There are TONS of people here who need it.

Anyhow, it is just an idea, maybe worthless. But it seems to be a NEED which hasn't been successfully filled.

Your thoughts?

GordonJ
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  • Gotta wonder that WF allows IM cavalry of all kinds to charge out yonder on real multitaskin' kinda horses.

    Anywan startin' out can come tap all kindsa wisdom an' commune with experts in their fields.

    Meantime, all them experts can schlop the fruits of their smarts into the arena as products gonna take evrywan forward.

    So ... we got Meetin' of Minds stuffs ... plus more specific KER-CHINGs of exchange.

    What other meet points wanna happen rn?

    Prolly what GordonJ figures here is more procreatively catalytic.

    I see sumthin' poolin' the best qualities of interactive forum an' ultimate product -- kinda like a WSO that keeps on givin'.

    Wisdom as product.

    Sharin' as spark.

    Kickstart Twined Warriors.

    Go make your mark.

    kinda thing
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Gotta wonder that WF allows IM cavalry of all kinds to charge out yonder on real multitaskin' kinda horses.

      Anywan startin' out can come tap all kindsa wisdom an' commune with experts in their fields.

      Meantime, all them experts can schlop the fruits of their smarts into the arena as products gonna take evrywan forward.

      So ... we got Meetin' of Minds stuffs ... plus more specific KER-CHINGs of exchange.

      What other meet points wanna happen rn?

      Prolly what GordonJ figures here is more procreatively catalytic.

      I see sumthin' poolin' the best qualities of interactive forum an' ultimate product -- kinda like a WSO that keeps on givin'.

      Wisdom as product.

      Sharin' as spark.

      Kickstart Twined Warriors.

      Go make your mark.

      kinda thing
      Out yonder, the mother ship lurks, FL is one of the sites where a coach can be found. Although Upwork seems to be better suited to coaches.

      Some math. OK? At Upwork, just as an exercise, I used Life Coach as my search term.

      Today, I found one, to use as an example although I don't know her or have nothing to do with her. She was on the first page with over 80K in total earnings and at 175.00 per hour.

      She charges 900 for a fixed price business coach. Seems and sounds reasonable. By her hourly rate, one would get barely just over 5 hours, but she apparently coaches over a longer period of time, as per her reviews.

      Now the math. 900 fixed rate. Fees of 20% on first 500=100 and 10% on 400=40, so she pays 140 plus small connect fees and maybe 3% on transaction fees.

      So, she bills the 900 (her taxes at roughly 30% = 270) Upwork gets 140 plus fees, maybe as much as 27 for transaction fees, so her costs to get the job run approx. 170.

      She makes 900, pays 170, and then taxes of 270, and her net is around 460.

      Nothing we can do about taxes, they is what they be... but it seems to me that a COACH like this should be able to find a 900 dollar client for less than 170, or even the 140 charge.

      What that buys her is TRAFFIC, albeit, shotgun, scattered traffic.

      I think for half that amount, she should be able to find a client, IF, there was a place where people could specifically look for COACHES, and communicate with them, and find one directly with a lot less hassle than Upwork, Freelancer, LinkedIn, etc., would be.

      Maybe one could compare COACHES like products at Amazon, and this person might be a bit too New Agey for some who need a business coach.

      But, yea, I THINK, you are right on Princess.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelQuinn
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Yes, we have linkedIn, and meetup, and the many sites where COACHES offer their services.

    But here is an idea. Let me tell you why. In the last two weeks, I've communicated with over a dozen people, and they ALL need some sort of coaching, or mentoring, or guidance or partnerships.

    Someone should start a site like the old GURUDAQ, where all the known gurus of IM were listed and had a rating (it was cheesy, self serving and quite funny actually)...but what it did was shine some light on who was doing what.

    A site where COACHES of all kinds could have a page about their services, where people could go and search for someone compatible with their needs and budgets, to meet and hookup.

    YOU could charge a small fee from both sides, to get listed, or to search the listings. And I think YOU could find a ton of COACHES right here at the WF. There are TONS of people here who need it.

    Anyhow, it is just an idea, maybe worthless. But it seems to be a NEED which hasn't been successfully filled.

    Your thoughts?

    GordonJ
    I think it's a pretty good idea and not worthless at all. A lot of people want to offer coaching services as you've said and there are even more people that would benefit and need to be involved with one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    It's an OK idea, but how do you ensure the "reviews" are from actual clients, and fair?

    Most people do nothing with what they get, and this has no relationship with the amount invested. I wish it did but I've seen it often enough.

    Read this (also one of the best-illustrated articles I've ever seen): https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/19/18140799/amazon-marketplace-scams-seller-court-appeal-reinstatement


    People get up to dirty tricks and it's not even with people who are their competitors or upset customers. They want to draw traffic using a popular person's or brand's name and write whatever they want.

    If Amazon can't protect its sellers, I don't see how any internet marketer can.
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelQuinn
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      but how do you ensure the "reviews" are from actual clients, and fair?

      Most people do nothing with what they get, and this has no relationship with the amount invested. I wish it did but I've seen it often enough.
      This is a pretty valid point, a lot of times people will receive a lot of guidance and help and do nothing with it, then turn around and blame the service provider. I see it on a regular basis at my job as well, and that can be a difficult thing to work with.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      It's an OK idea, but how do you ensure the "reviews" are from actual clients, and fair?

      Most people do nothing with what they get, and this has no relationship with the amount invested. I wish it did but I've seen it often enough.

      Read this (also one of the best-illustrated articles I've ever seen): https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/19/18140799/amazon-marketplace-scams-seller-court-appeal-reinstatement


      People get up to dirty tricks and it's not even with people who are their competitors or upset customers. They want to draw traffic using a popular person's or brand's name and write whatever they want.

      If Amazon can't protect its sellers, I don't see how any internet marketer can.
      I think you are right. But sellers have never been protected, since the early 20th century anti-snake oil salesman, it was about protecting BUYERS.

      One way which Upwork seems to get right is the escrow part and having both vendors and consumers in agreement, via a contract.

      Now, what would Upwork (FL, fiverr, et al) do if there were the dirty tricks in play that allows Amazon sellers to get taken? I don't know. But I don't think Amazon really cares about their sellers. Just one opinion. I'm not sure if Amazon cares about anyone or anything other than the bottom line.

      Contract law has been used for centuries to safeguard both parties in a transaction, and that is why our courts are filled to capacity. So, if Apple can't protect its IP, or buyer data, who can?

      I agree with you. IF I were setting it up, and I am NOT, I'd want every testimonial vetted, at least proof of purchase, a VERIFIED buyer of the service with the significant amount of time to have used the service. We see the whole affiliate thing GREAT STUFF, TESTIMONIAL the day after the guy buys a 30 day coaching program.

      Also, if me, I wouldn't allow one coach to have too many niches, would seek specialists, and now that you bring it up, might be a real PIA to get it set up properly...but anything decent takes time.

      Maybe there isn't a demand for experienced, vetted, verified COACHES who offer a coaching service. As a coach, I've used markers along the way.

      It is interactive, not just me telling them what to do.

      But I'm sure there would be many obstacles to set up a well operated site where COACHES of all kinds could intersect with their target markets. The demand, I have no idea.

      As I said, thinking out loud, due to the number of communications I've had the last few weeks. My standard reply is, What do you want?

      And so far, few, very few have been able to clearly articulate exactly it is they want, or what they want from a coach. I, now, can't and won't work with lost people, those who don't know where they want to go.

      Even those that do, most lack the basic business skills I feel necessitate their success, or my guidance.

      Just thought, maybe ONE site specializing in COACHES, might be a worthwhile endeavor for SOMEONE, other than me and other established marketers.

      You raise some great concerns. Perhaps others might have better answers or solutions.

      GordonJ

      PS I long, long ago quit concerning myself with people who buy and do nothing with it. The advice of Joe Karbo and Dean DuVall, taught me all about those kind of people. Get rid of them quickly, they are TW, time wasters, and we have several of them here too.
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  • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
    There is nothing stopping someone from contacting a guru directly and offering them your budget for specific coaching services.

    Additionally, there are quite a number of apps and websites with experts by the minute available - then there is fiverr.

    So all in all, between this forum and the other platforms, you have all you need to be a success. The only missing element is a coachable action taker - maybe someone can create that.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by professorrosado View Post

      There is nothing stopping someone from contacting a guru directly and offering them your budget for specific coaching services.

      Additionally, there are quite a number of apps and websites with experts by the minute available - then there is fiverr.

      So all in all, between this forum and the other platforms, you have all you need to be a success. The only missing element is a coachable action taker - maybe someone can create that.
      Quite a number as you say...of apps, websites, gurus, coaches, experts, forums, blogs...

      by the minute, hour, day...month, or once in awhile, providing Coaching/How To services.

      Let alone fiverr.

      And there is NOTHING stopping anyone from contacting any of these...other than the time it takes to find a coach whom has the expertise sought, the skills to teach, the willingness and affordability a given budget allows...

      How about an example? I'm looking for a coach who has expertise in Intellectual Property Acquisitions, with foreign distribution experience.

      Standard start: Google. Get a lot of legal sites, lawyers, articles. But those come later. I need someone who has experience in offering IP rights, to countries outside USA, and preferably someone with specific experience.

      Now, this example, for the WF, is probably too sophisticated. Most Warriors I suspect don't want or need this type of coaching.

      But, judging from the many posts over the years asking about Mentors, Coaches, Consultants, etc. It appears there is a demand for COACHES. Especially IM types.

      So, sure, start the search. And there are the usual suspect sites; Upwork, Fiverr, FreeLancer, LinkedIn, Facebook...so on.

      But if there was a site, which had nothing but Coaches, all somehow vetted, verified to have the expertise they claim, with a simple directory service, would or could it be a viable business for someone?

      Or, perhaps you are right, it may be a redundant and unnecessary service. Maybe those that ARE coachable action takers, don't need them?

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        How about an example? I'm looking for a coach who has expertise in Intellectual Property Acquisitions, with foreign distribution experience.

        Standard start: Google. Get a lot of legal sites, lawyers, articles. But those come later. I need someone who has experience in offering IP rights, to countries outside USA, and preferably someone with specific experience.

        Now, this example, for the WF, is probably too sophisticated. Most Warriors I suspect don't want or need this type of coaching.

        Or, perhaps you are right, it may be a redundant and unnecessary service. Maybe those that ARE coachable action takers, don't need them?

        GordonJ
        I would just ask you or someone like you. LOL. Power of relationships and your network. I would trust that kind of recommendation a whole lot more than some website.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

          I would just ask you or someone like you. LOL. Power of relationships and your network. I would trust that kind of recommendation a whole lot more than some website.
          One of the reasons I posted, was in the hope of getting one of the 37 Warriors who can actually help, to do so.

          I've been lucky, and appreciate you and the other responses. I absolutely agree, that is what I would do, and am doing for my search for expertise...

          And, I would not be a part of the market which would use a COACHES only website, but I think, and perhaps wrongly, but I think, the WF represents a small % of those hoping to find gold with IM. And they are the millions of users of FL, Upwork, etc. and could use a COACH, but maybe there is enough out there already.

          Today, most newbies who come here, get right to the WSO section and hook up with an expert or two, or a dozen depending on how much they can afford to spend...

          but, we all too often see these folks, one, two, seven even eleven years down the road still struggling and striving. I can't help but think, if they would have found a coach early on, maybe it would have made a difference.

          This has been very good feedback. I'm not going to do anything, never was, and now, maybe it isn't a very good idea at all. I don't know, I'll have to confer with my coach, HA!

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Today, most newbies who come here, get right to the WSO section and hook up with an expert or two, or a dozen depending on how much they can afford to spend...

            but, we all too often see these folks, one, two, seven even eleven years down the road still struggling and striving. I can't help but think, if they would have found a coach early on, maybe it would have made a difference.
            Newbies who think he's exaggerating with the 7, 11 years... he ain't.

            There are people who I saw when I joined in 2011 who are still walking around in the same circles, looking for that magic bullet.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

              Newbies who think he's exaggerating with the 7, 11 years... he ain't.

              There are people who I saw when I joined in 2011 who are still walking around in the same circles, looking for that magic bullet.
              It is more of a magic wand than a magic bullet but I split hairs

              How long should someone who has never sold anything . Offline never tried running any type of business. Doesn't really talk to people and only had skill thatakeinimum wage or 10 - 15 dollars an hour .

              So why do these people struggle as much or more online as they do offline .

              Honest coaching we be to focus these people on building an online business to replace their current income .

              But they are looking for the magic wand to wave and have a six figures business in a month and 7 figure business in a year
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                It is more of a magic wand than a magic bullet but I split hairs

                How long should someone who has never sold anything . Offline never tried running any type of business. Doesn't really talk to people and only had skill thatakeinimum wage or 10 - 15 dollars an hour .

                So why do these people struggle as much or more online as they do offline .

                Honest coaching we be to focus these people on building an online business to replace their current income .

                But they are looking for the magic wand to wave and have a six figures business in a month and 7 figure business in a year
                One can find several VISIBLE wands for sale, in WSO section, wouldn't DONE FOR YOU (DFY) classify as one? Some of these wands are not very expensive either.

                See, at any given day, right here in the WSO section there are scores of opportunities to get coached to IM success. It is also the reason why the "cookie cutter", one-size-fits-all, do what I did, get what I got...systems and methods fall so short.

                They DON'T FIT everyone. And it takes time for a newbie to find that out, but there is no shortage of magic being sold right here, 24/7 365.

                And in the WSO and the Paid ads section, one can find lots of GURUS or coaches, albeit not very well vetted in my opinion.

                GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    If you want to learn or get better at tennis, it's a straightforward matter finding a competent tennis coach. You, and the coach, will generally understand at the outset what you want to achieve and what any kind of success would look like.

    Internet marketing - let alone the nebulous term "make money online" - is such a broad church that most newcomers don't start with any clear idea about what they want or need to learn. They don't know what they don't know. In those cases, expecting a coach to provide tailor-made training is an act of either desperation or laziness.

    Nobody should be thinking of taking on a coach until they can clearly identify the areas in which they need coaching and know with some precision what they want to achieve. Only then can they choose a coach with the appropriate credentials and experience - in other words, a good fit.

    The issue from the other side can be summed up by Mike Lombardi's quote: "Not everyone that's a coach is really a coach. Some of them are just play stealers."

    And it's a much bigger problem in internet marketing than in the NFL.

    There are people calling themselves coaches who barely understand the basics of marketing, never mind the psychology involved in effective instruction. All too often, a coaching program is seen as just the next step in a marketing funnel, rather than the specialist role it should be.

    So, where does this leave Gordon's idea?

    Yes, let the coaches be clear about their field of expertise. Discourage any generalists. And let there be a feedback system that would prompt the coaches to be selective about the clients they take on in the first place.

    However, when all said and done I tend to agree with Jason's point about word of mouth being the most reliable selection method. Come to think of it, that's how I chose my tennis coach.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    A site where COACHES of all kinds could have a page about their services, where people could go and search for someone compatible with their needs and budgets, to meet and hookup.
    Like fiverr for support and advice, It might be ok but has a possibilty to end up a dogs breakfast.

    ? Edit > What Could Work based on that Idea is ?

    A Membership Site per se, where (Said Experts) Created Guides / Learning Modules ? Courses etc and the Opposite is the customers could review coaches and Courses, then based on selection , purchase said courses that may or may not include some private tuition in that course.

    Not got my head around it but a flip on that thinking per se ? maybe I needs another Coffee

    Where it falls down is when you start to trade your time for money (as a coach in one on one per se) you would then restrict your income ability as there is only so much time in a day.?
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      Where it falls down is when you start to trade your time for money (as a coach in one on one per se) you would then restrict your income ability as there is only so much time in a day.?
      Coaching is (or should be) a one-on-one occupation. Otherwise it's just instruction.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      Like fiverr for support and advice, It might be ok but has a possibilty to end up a dogs breakfast.

      ? Edit > What Could Work based on that Idea is ?

      A Membership Site per se, where (Said Experts) Created Guides / Learning Modules ? Courses etc and the Opposite is the customers could review coaches and Courses, then based on selection , purchase said courses that may or may not include some private tuition in that course.

      Not got my head around it but a flip on that thinking per se ? maybe I needs another Coffee

      Where it falls down is when you start to trade your time for money (as a coach in one on one per se) you would then restrict your income ability as there is only so much time in a day.?
      I had one of the largest rosters of golf students in the USA at one time, and I would do clinics, for several people at a time. And I created PRODUCTS, including audio and video products, and even had a web site...BUT,

      none of that was Coaching. As was stated, coaching is One to one, or maybe a small team, a tennis team can get by with one coach, a football team, probably not.

      The idea, is to give those that WANT to coach, who want to spend their time, in whatever increments they deem fair, to have a place where they have been vetted and checked for their expertise, and offer their SPECIALTY to people who want/need the one to one.

      Otherwise, there would just be one more membership site added to the 10001 already out there. Which, and this from just the WF alone, is not working for scores of people.

      It may not be an idea worth pursuing. In fact, I posted it to get the feedback for one of those people, a lost IM soul, without an idea to pursue...to give him an idea to think about because there are tens of thousands of people in his sinking ship, and maybe it would be a lifeline in the iceberg covered waters of IM.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Stark
    It's called Facebook and Facebook groups. Warrior Forum also already facilitates what you are talking about. The same things are going on.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Jordan Stark View Post

      It's called Facebook and Facebook groups. Warrior Forum also already facilitates what you are talking about. The same things are going on.
      Anyone with a few bux in hand can run a WSO or an ad on the paid sections of WF, Facebook, etc.

      What I'm actually talking about, isn't a place where everyone and his sister, who calls themselves a COACH, can pay 20 bux and get listed. YES, Upwork and the others already mentioned are for that.

      NONE of those, including the facilitators you mention have any sort of a process to insure the Coach knows what she is talking about.

      So, NO< the same things are NOT going on here. Not at all.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Medon
    It is a noble idea if you ask me. The existing sites are not specializing in hooking up coaches to people who need them. They do a lot of other things and so coaching especially IM just gets mixed up with the other things they do. So Newbies have no help.
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    Well, this isn't exactly the same thing you're talking about, Gordon. But if someone wants to try your idea, this could provide a template for them to build their foundation upon.

    https://www.score.org/

    The main difference I see is that Score is non profit (so the mentors are primarily volunteers) but the organization has been around for 50 years, so maybe they know a thing or two about how to set up a platform like this?
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

      Well, this isn't exactly the same thing you're talking about, Gordon. But if someone wants to try your idea, this could provide a template for them to build their foundation upon.

      https://www.score.org/

      The main difference I see is that Score is non profit (so the mentors are primarily volunteers) but the organization has been around for 50 years, so maybe they know a thing or two about how to set up a platform like this?
      In fact, I've worked with some of these guys decades ago. One problem, today, with these Old Farts (and I count myself among them) is a lack of knowledge of IM, Mobile apps, social media. And of course that is a generalization, there are some 65 to 75 year old savvy marketers whose guidance would be very valuable.

      One problem with their model, TIME. One has to make an appointment, maybe go somewhere, have a meeting, it is a process. A good one. One which has helped untold thousands perhaps, but in today's world. Making an appointment two weeks out to discuss Internet Marketing business with some old guy who ran a tire making company for decades, just isn't modern enough.

      I think the whole of the SBA, S.C.O.R.E. and all the Fed. Agencies, which employ thousands of people, are a bit dated, full of bureaucrats. lifers waiting for retirement...and although at one time I was first in line to shout TRY THE SBA, etc.

      I wouldn't advise anyone to do it, only as a last resort. But, maybe for someone, somewhere, SCORE would be a good option. As a business model, for finding experts who can coach people, I think something more akin to eAlliance maker would be closer to the model for this COACHING thing.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Yes, we have linkedIn, and meetup, and the many sites where COACHES offer their services.

    But here is an idea. Let me tell you why. In the last two weeks, I've communicated with over a dozen people, and they ALL need some sort of coaching, or mentoring, or guidance or partnerships.

    Someone should start a site like the old GURUDAQ, where all the known gurus of IM were listed and had a rating (it was cheesy, self serving and quite funny actually)...but what it did was shine some light on who was doing what.

    A site where COACHES of all kinds could have a page about their services, where people could go and search for someone compatible with their needs and budgets, to meet and hookup.

    YOU could charge a small fee from both sides, to get listed, or to search the listings. And I think YOU could find a ton of COACHES right here at the WF. There are TONS of people here who need it.

    Anyhow, it is just an idea, maybe worthless. But it seems to be a NEED which hasn't been successfully filled.

    Your thoughts?

    GordonJ

    Hello Gordon

    I think it is a good idea, the need is certainly there and it wouldn't be that hard to set up a platform to run it.

    I'll tell you something that we did a few years ago re setting up a coaching/mentoring program. Others could copy this idea if they have the expertise. (or hire it)

    Fifteen years ago we started with Affiliate Marketing and built ourselves to what some call Super Affiliate status. Then three years later we started our Agency, offering website design, website leasing and hosting via reseller services. We soon decided there was a much better future in providing Agency services, so wanted to quickly expand by adding staff and setting up our own Hosting and Data Backup companies and so on. (Leading to a full service Agency)

    We wanted a US$1 Million war chest to fund the expansion so brain stormed how we could raise that money without having to put ourselves in debt to banks. We came up with the idea to leverage our Super Affiliate status and expertise.

    We set up a private mentoring (coaching) website and system. We wanted 400 members who would each pay US$250 a month. We made a guarantee that we would get them to US$50K within the year, or we would continue to mentor them until they reached that figure.

    We conducted 2 x 2 hour online conference sessions per week (with the 400 in attendance). We set up a private membership site with resources to help them. We provided Personal Assistants, 1 for each 40 members.

    The result, we were billing US$100,000 per month, giving us US$1,200,000 for the year. We had to continue working with a small number of them for a few months more till they reached target.

    We made additional income from services we offered them, such as website design and hosting, making squeeze pages, designing banners and so on, if they didn't want to do this themselves from templates we supplied in the membership site.

    At the end of the year a large number of the members wanted to continue with our mentoring but my Dad pulled the plug, saying it was too labour and time intensive, and that he wanted our staff back working in the Agency. I fully agreed with him as we had all worked like dogs to honour our guarantee, but it was also very rewarding seeing our members gain success. We still do Affiliate Marketing but it is a small part of our business now.

    Cheers
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