Let Others Complain. Here's How I got 41,000 Views On Just One Article At EZA. Video Inside.

15 years ago

lol...

If you are paying $30-$50 for a certain number of visitors...aren't you still paying for traffic?

If you want to do it legitimately - Boost views that is, why not just use link bait from Hot Trends etc?

Kind of goofy to try to point out a "white hat" way to do something that isn't "white hat", right?

More importantly...why would you out your article?

I smell an email from EZA coming...

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markfoo76

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

lol...

If you are paying $30-$50 for a certain number of visitors...aren't you still paying for traffic?

If you want to do it legitimately - Boost views that is, why not just use link bait from Hot Trends etc?

Kind of goofy to try to point out a "white hat" way to do something that isn't "white hat", right?

More importantly...why would you out your article?

I smell an email from EZA coming...

Yeah, I agree with Jeremy that this is kind of goofy.

Cheers~

Mark

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Hey Jeremy,

I didn't mean to say that the traffic is free. What I am trying to say is that you do it once and then your article sits there, so even if you paid 50 but are getting 5 sign ups a day, it's still worth it, isn't it?

as per the white hat, black hat stuff. I really don't think there is anything wrong in paying someone to drive legit traffic to your article.

As I mentioned, you're paying for legit traffic. What I was trying to say is that you can't really verify if it's legit or not, just because it's impossible (or at least I don't know how to do it), but even if it's not legit, it does not really matter to me as the article author.

I hope this makes more sense now

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

lol...

If you are paying $30-$50 for a certain number of visitors...aren't you still paying for traffic?

If you want to do it legitimately - Boost views that is, why not just use link bait from Hot Trends etc?

Kind of goofy to try to point out a "white hat" way to do something that isn't "white hat", right?

More importantly...why would you out your article?

I smell an email from EZA coming...

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Morgan, I'm with you dude

EZA pushes money into my various accounts every single day and trust me when I tell you - I know all the tricks.

I guess what I was trying to say is - You posted an example of an article that is in the most viewed section. The way you got it there, more than likely violates the TOS for EZA as you are paying for traffic/visitors...

So, I wouldn't be surprised if your article disappeared along with some others if you are using your forum name in EZA as well.

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Hey Jeremy,

I didn't mean to say that the traffic is free. What I am trying to say is that you do it once and then your article sits there, so even if you paid 50 but are getting 5 sign ups a day, it's still worth it, isn't it?

as per the white hat, black hat stuff. I really don't think there is anything wrong in paying someone to drive legit traffic to your article.

As I mentioned, you're paying for legit traffic. What I was trying to say is that you can't really verify if it's legit or not, just because it's impossible (or at least I don't know how to do it), but even if it's not legit, it does not really matter to me as the article author.

I hope this makes more sense now

MorganRichman

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Oh... Now I see what you meant

Yeah, good point, but I really don't think there is anything wrong with having a "traffic generation manager". What's your take on that?

If EZA does not like it, I really kind of don't care. I'll just get another one up there

Fun life.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Morgan, I'm with you dude

EZA pushes money into my various accounts every single day and trust me when I tell you - I know all the tricks.

I guess what I was trying to say is - You posted an example of an article that is in the most viewed section. The way you got it there, more than likely violates the TOS for EZA as you are paying for traffic/visitors...

So, I wouldn't be surprised if your article disappeared along with some others if you are using your forum name in EZA as well.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Morgan, I'm with you dude

EZA pushes money into my various accounts every single day and trust me when I tell you - I know all the tricks.

I guess what I was trying to say is - You posted an example of an article that is in the most viewed section. The way you got it there, more than likely violates the TOS for EZA as you are paying for traffic/visitors...

So, I wouldn't be surprised if your article disappeared along with some others if you are using your forum name in EZA as well.

I totally agree. This is a big no no and EZA will probably suspend you for this ... lesson learned (I hope).

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Why would you just not build the traffic to your own site, come on man.. you going to pay for traffic to build up someone elses site ??????

Not a smart marketing move....

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Why would you just not build the traffic to your own site, come on man.. you going to pay for traffic to build up someone elses site ??????

Not a smart marketing move....

James

James, you have some knowledge, I'll give you that...

but, your views and opinions are very narrow.

Why build traffic to someone elses site?

Because it can generate $100, $200, $300 a day without touching it after the fact...good enough reason?

The best part? It takes a couple minutes to implement...

build your own site

Build your own site

build your own site

Have the guys that do nothing but preach this ever considered owning more than one spot on the front page of Google or other search engines?

have the guys that do nothing but preach this ever considered having multiple streams of income for the same niche?

Just sayin..

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Jeremy,

I think James has got a point, althoug I agree with you as well. Although James has a site that can actually outrank EZA easily (I think he mentioned it somewhere on this forum) having more than one stream of income is a great idea.

I think as it brings you money and builds your assets, it does not matter which site you build althoug you should keep working on your site. That's true.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

James, you have some knowledge, I'll give you that...

but, your views and opinions are very narrow.

Why build traffic to someone elses site?

Because it can generate $100, $200, $300 a day without touching it after the fact...good enough reason?

build your own site

Build your own site

build your own site

Have the guys that do nothing but preach this ever considered owning more than one spot on the front page of Google or other search engines?

have the guys that do nothing but preach this ever considered having multiple streams of income for the same niche?

Just sayin..

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!

If you value your integrity as well as your EZA account...

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

OMG...What a load of horse crap.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Steven,

I really like your strong stand on this. I always apprecite it. Thanks for the advice, but "load of horse crap"? Come on... You know you want to do it too

MorganRichman
ps. I love your youtube channel. Awesome work!

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!

If you value your integrity as well as your EZA account...

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

OMG...What a load of horse crap.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Come on... You know you want to do it too

Want to do it????

I wouldn't be caught DEAD doing this.

Look, I have nothing against you personally but this is just BAD advice
and a written invitation to have people's accounts banned.

Besides, I don't know when you submitted that article, but Chris is cracking
down on stuff like this. Articles now have to be a minimum of 400 words
so in most likelihood, this article today won't even be accepted.

I suggest you read Chris Knight's blog and find out what's going on.

Not only are free accounts being terminated but Premium subscribers
shelling out $97 a month are being let go.

I am dead serious here. This tactic will lead to nothing but trouble.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Razer Rage

So let me get this straight. You wouldn't be caught dead doing this (whatever "this" is), and at the same time you're "dead" serious.

Am I missing something here? Are you saying you WOULD do this while you're alive?

Lol, couldn't resist.

Frankly, I don't see the point of driving extra traffic to your EZA articles, especially paid traffic, when you can send it straight to your landing page.

In my opinion, this whole thread should be dead...as in killed.

This is giving newbie article marketers a very, very, very bad idea that
is going to leave them bitterly disappointed when they find that their
articles are either not accepted OR if they are, eventually get taken down
along with their whole account and then all that work is for nothing.

As bad an idea as I have ever seen in almost 7 years of marketing online.

And that is saying something.

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mr2monster

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

In my opinion, this whole thread should be dead...as in killed.

This is giving newbie article marketers a very, very, very bad idea that
is going to leave them bitterly disappointed when they find that their
articles are either not accepted OR if they are, eventually get taken down
along with their whole account and then all that work is for nothing.

As bad an idea as I have ever seen in almost 7 years of marketing online.

And that is saying something.

I disagree entirely. If a newbie took the time to read this thread, he would see that it is a frowned upon method and could have bad consequences for his article account.

If it's deleted, then he just wonders what all the hooplah is about and gets sold into buying traffic from someone on digital point or any number of other places.

If this place is about learning, it should be about learning the good and the bad. What TO do and what NOT to do.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Steven,

I was just joking with you want to do it part. I think I know you enough to know that you DON'T want to do it. I did not mean to offend you

I really honestly don't think that the strategy I outlined violates their TOS. Now, I understand that it's their site and they can do anything they want with it, but IMHO I am not violating their TOS.

Having said that, If they ban, they ban. As I said, it's their directory.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Want to do it????

I wouldn't be caught DEAD doing this.

Look, I have nothing against you personally but this is just BAD advice
and a written invitation to have people's accounts banned.

Besides, I don't know when you submitted that article, but Chris is cracking
down on stuff like this. Articles now have to be a minimum of 400 words
so in most likelihood, this article today won't even be accepted.

I suggest you read Chris Knight's blog and find out what's going on.

Not only are free accounts being terminated but Premium subscribers
shelling out $97 a month are being let go.

I am dead serious here. This tactic will lead to nothing but trouble.

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mr2monster

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Razer Rage

So let me get this straight. You wouldn't be caught dead doing this (whatever "this" is), and at the same time you're "dead" serious.

Am I missing something here? Are you saying you WOULD do this while you're alive?

Lol, couldn't resist.

Frankly, I don't see the point of driving extra traffic to your EZA articles, especially paid traffic, when you can send it straight to your landing page.

Since your like the 5th person that has said this, I'll try and explain it different than him.

The "paid traffic" he's sending is essentially just clicks... they're not targeted, they're not even necessarily interested... they probably get paid .001 for every link they click and that's how they make money...

What it DOES for him, though, is raises his article view count. That, in turn, puts his article in the 'most viewed' category which leads to more REAL people viewing it and more REAL people going to his landing page via the link in the bottom.

Sending all of that traffic to his own site would do almost no good because my bet is that they're on the page for less than 1 second and not even looking at what content is on there.

Essentially he's leveraging the power of being a "most viewed" article in order to get more views from REAL people. In order to do that he has to be "most viewed"... hence, buying the crap traffic.

Hope that explains it.

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TiffanyLambert

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Articles now have to be a minimum of 400 words so in most likelihood, this article today won't even be accepted.

Where is this Steven? I can't find it and I'm submitting articles less than 400 words right now and they're getting approved. Want to read the new rules if I'm missing something...

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NickArnold 15 years ago

Not something i would implement myself but an interesting video nonetheless.

Obviously you could direct the traffic to your own site, but the good thing about doing it to EZA is that you then leverage more traffic from being in the most viewed listings.

Just a matter of time before you get banned from EZA, but could be alright for a short term fix.
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Hamida Harland

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TiffanyDow

Where is this Steven? I can't find it and I'm submitting articles less than 400 words right now and they're getting approved. Want to read the new rules if I'm missing something...

It's not a new rule (yet), however they have mentioned in a few recent blog posts that what they really want is 400-600+ words. This one for instance mentions it: From My Desk to Yours - 3rd Edition and this one: http://blog.ezinearticles.com/2009/1...html#more-2972

From what I've heard many people have already been contacted by Ezinearticles asking them to submit articles of 450+ words.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by NathanFalkner

Yes, this is 100% accurate. Any article that is
less than 400 words in length will result in an
article being rejected automatically. If you attempt
to re-submit an article that is less than 400 words
in length a second time, ones account is now being
suspended. If you're a premium member, you are
given one final warning regarding word count before
your account is suspended. Anyone try to submit
an article that was less than 400 words today? You
can't -- right? Steven hit the nail on the head. No
more sub-400 word articles. You heard it here first!

And that is an awesome thing. God, I hope what they are doing will at least make a dent in the quality of the overall content creation (and syndication) on the Internet.

Allen

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edmltw

15 years ago

Does this apply only to platinum members?

I just created a new account for one of my clients and all my articles were below 400 words. All were accepted with my 10th article approved and made live today. here's the link to the latest article approved:
Click Here

So that mean I will have to start churning out articles above 400 words if I gotten to the platinum level?

Ed

Originally Posted by NathanFalkner

Yes, this is 100% accurate. Any article that is
less than 400 words in length will result in an
article being rejected automatically. If you attempt
to re-submit an article that is less than 400 words
in length a second time, ones account is now being
suspended. If you're a premium member, you are
given one final warning regarding word count before
your account is suspended. Anyone try to submit
an article that was less than 400 words today? You
can't -- right? Steven hit the nail on the head. No
more sub-400 word articles. You heard it here first!

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Tristan Lee

15 years ago

This this has been an such an awesome thread guys! Thanks for this!

I took me about an hour reading from the OP to now and finally I can add my input!

To RichJerksNet, I've never had really read anything from you and at first glance from your name, I might have had assumed you were a rich, snobby, jerk who does black hat and tries to game the internet marketing system. I am sorry for that.

I admire your ability to voice your opinion in supporting more ethical ways of getting traffic to a website, despite people who are advocates of this video and people who are trying to pull you down.

At first I thought this video was wrong. I've been an Ezine Article member for a long time, and I've always admired the people who got there articles on the most viewed section because I thought that they had written something worth reading.

I've actually had one of my articles get to the number one spot of the most view articles listing a while back. It felt good getting there, but more important, I hope the article message that I sent out actually helped the people who clicked on it.

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It was until reading this, I had never knew that it was this easy to get to the top most viewed article list of perhaps maybe any niche you want if you have something as simple as as 50 dollar bill.

Imagine if everyone started to do what Morgan showed us in the video. The most viewed section would be filled with articles not because most people actually wanted to read them, but because they were all filled with artificial clicks.

Yes, what Morgan had done was 100% legal. He paid for thousands of views to get legit traffic. Did he ever come across a point in his mind that perhaps one of the people from the service he paid might do something not legit? Maybe he did, but it would be unfair to accuse him of this as he is the only one that knows the answer.

But, for him, that's probably not the first idea that comes across his mind as his intentions are aimed more at getting the best return for his paid investments.

To get to the point, I think this is what happens when we become totally obsessed with money. We do everything we can to try the game the system legally, and by legally, every word counts. If you notice the Ezine Articles TOS provided in this thread, the absolute clear message its trying to tell the world is do not pay for traffic for the sole purpose of bumping up an article.

"You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats."

However, what Morgan is doing is okay because he's paying for legit traffic and it slides through the words of the TOS.

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

How does artificial and inflated stats affect the future of the EzineArticle directory?

You tell me, or nevermind... maybe that doesn't matter to you.

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JohnMcCabe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Yes I do. I pay for legit and I expect to get legit. If the provider wants to rip me off and give me fake traffic, that's his problem not mine.

Although they do mostly rip off. Unfortunately.

MorganRichman

Morgan, you can protest all you want that you are only paying for legitimate traffic. This statement shows you know exactly what is going on.

You know that, mostly, your "traffic managers" are sending bogus traffic, which, by association, makes you guilty of violating the TOS. Yet you continue to do it.

You know that, in most cases, you are doing by proxy exactly what the TOS disallows.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Of course I do. I am not an idiot, but if I ask for legit traffic and I want legit traffic, then if the provider of the traffic sends bogus traffic, it's not my fault.

I am just utilizing people's dishonesty (if such dishonesty occurs)

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Morgan, you can protest all you want that you are only paying for legitimate traffic. This statement shows you know exactly what is going on.

You know that, mostly, your "traffic managers" are sending bogus traffic, which, by association, makes you guilty of violating the TOS. Yet you continue to do it.

You know that, in most cases, you are doing by proxy exactly what the TOS disallows.

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JohnMcCabe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Of course I do. I am not an idiot, but if I ask for legit traffic and I want legit traffic, then if the provider of the traffic sends bogus traffic, it's not my fault.

I am just utilizing people's dishonesty (if such dishonesty occurs)

MorganRichman

Morgan, you are wasting your talents on this marketing thing. With your ability to rationalize and your embrace of 'plausible deniability' you really should be in politics...

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

I once ran for the head of my high school student board, but I lost...

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Morgan, you are wasting your talents on this marketing thing. With your ability to rationalize and your embrace of 'plausible deniability' you really should be in politics...

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Of course I do. I am not an idiot, but if I ask for legit traffic and I want legit traffic, then if the provider of the traffic sends bogus traffic, it's not my fault.

It all comes back to you. It is your fault, your problem, your responsibility. If you don't see that, then there's really not much more to say.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

I respect what you said but I don't agree with this.

I pay for good traffic and hope to get good traffic. If I get good traffic, I get even more optins/sales, but I am not letting people screw me over by telling me they'll send real traffic and really sending crap.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

It all comes back to you. It is your fault, your problem, your responsibility. If you don't see that, then there's really not much more to say.

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I pay for good traffic and hope to get good traffic. If I get good traffic, I get even more optins/sales, but I am not letting people screw me over by telling me they'll send real traffic and really sending crap.

If you contract with someone to do a service for you, the results of their actions and how those actions reflect on you are your responsibility.

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Morgan Richman 15 years ago

Right. In a way.

If I have a site and pay someone to send traffic to it and someone uses spam to do it, then my site will be shut down. The provider will bear no consequences other than I can sue him or something but it is not my fault that someone lied to me and used unethical methods to generate traffic.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

If you contract with someone to do a service for you, the results of their actions and how those actions reflect on you are your responsibility.
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I respect what you said but I don't agree with this.

I pay for good traffic and hope to get good traffic. If I get good traffic, I get even more optins/sales, but I am not letting people screw me over by telling me they'll send real traffic and really sending crap.

MorganRichman

You also said ....

What I was trying to say is that you can't really verify if it's legit or not, just because it's impossible (or at least I don't know how to do it), but even if it's not legit, it does not really matter to me as the article author.

So which is it ??? You really do not care or you are not going to let someone screw you over ???

Just a little confused by your contradicting yourself...

James

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

The reason I said it does not matter is that I DO HAVE BACKUP. I don't want to get screwed in a sense that I pay for traffic and get nothing because some freelancer decides to lie to me. Granted, it would be much better if I could be 100% sure that the traffic is real, but that's impossible, so even if the provider lies, I at least know that it will help my stats.

Hope this clarifies it a bit

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You also said ....

So which is it ??? You really do not care or you are not going to let someone screw you over ???

Just a little confused by your contradicting yourself...

James

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

The reason I said it does not matter is that I DO HAVE BACKUP. I don't want to get screwed in a sense that I pay for traffic and get nothing because some freelancer decides to lie to me. Granted, it would be much better if I could be 100% sure that the traffic is real, but that's impossible, so even if the provider lies, I at least know that it will help my stats.

Hope this clarifies it a bit

MorganRichman

Sure it reinforces what Tristan said ....

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

Another reason I do not want my name associated with the title "Internet Marketer" ..

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You also said ....

So which is it ??? You really do not care or you are not going to let someone screw you over ???

Just a little confused by your contradicting yourself...

James

I don't know this Morgan guy, but your just playing semantics now.

It's obvious that you have strong opinions about many things James and of course you ALWAYS have to be right to the point that you run around the forum in various thread raising the issues.

I have news for you though dude - Your way isn't always the right way or the BEST way - Your not always right and from my experience you aren't always even in the ball park.

Drop the know-it-all routine and get real.

BTW - How many accounts do you have with the various social bookmarking networks? Isn't having more than 1 against their TOS? Or are you doing hundreds of bookmarks a day from the same accounts? I'm sure some people would consider that spamming...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I don't know this Morgan guy, but your just playing semantics now.

It's obvious that you have strong opinions about many things James and of course you ALWAYS have to be right to the point that you run around the forum in various thread raising the issues.

I have news for you though dude - Your way isn't always the right way or the BEST way - Your not always right and from my experience you aren't always even in the ball park.

Drop the know-it-all routine and get real.

BTW - How many accounts do you have with the various social bookmarking networks? Isn't having more than 1 against their TOS? Or are you doing hundreds of bookmarks a day from the same accounts? I'm sure some people would consider that spamming...

Your funny!! and totally wrong ... Hey Morgan can do as he wishes but sure should not try to mislead newbies into doing unethical things and then contradicting himself while he is doing it.

The only reason why you attack me seems because you must agree with much of the blackhat stuff but then again we could pull up a thread where you endoresed the methods also..

Time to make my ignore list bigger...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Your funny!! and totally wrong ... Hey Morgan can do as he wishes but sure should not try to mislead newbies into doing unethical things and then contradicting himself while he is doing it.

The only reason why you attack me seems because you must agree with much of the BlueFart stuff but then again we could pull up a thread where you endoresed the methods also..

Time to make my ignore list bigger...

James

I'm not attacking you...

I'm calling you out because I don't think you know what your talking about and I believe a good percentage of the time you are a hypocrite.

In my opinion, manipulating the numbers is no different than you rolling around with multiple accounts on Social Bookmarking sites when it violates their TOS.

OR

What about the numerous times you have violated the TOS of this site and been banned for a couple of days or weeks at a clip - Does that all the sudden make you some type of criminal?

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture every once in a while before you try to take someone to task.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I'm not attacking you...

I'm calling you out because I don't think you know what your talking about and I believe a good percentage of the time you are a hypocrite.

In my opinion, manipulating the numbers is no different than you rolling around with multiple accounts on Social Bookmarking sites when it violates their TOS.

OR

What about the numerous times you have violated the TOS of this site and been banned for a couple of days or weeks at a clip - Does that all the sudden make you some type of criminal?

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture every once in a while before you try to take someone to task.

Jeremy, first off, I really enjoyed our chat today. You really crack me up
with your philosophy on marketing. I don't agree with everything you do
and mostly because as I said, I'm concerned that some of it might come
back to bite you, but you seem to know what you're doing and so far
it's worked out.

As far as the social bookmarking stuff you're talking about, and for that
matter, a lot of things when it comes to what we as marketers do, there
is a very fine line, as far as how the sites we use see things, between
what's ethical in their eyes and our eyes.

One thing I have learned from my years online is that it is almost
impossible to look at what we do objectively because our livelihoods are
at stake. While I like to consider myself "ethical" JayXtreme has pointed
out things that I, and many other article marketers, do that Google would
consider unethical.

But then as another very smart marketer, Kurt, pointed out, and I'll never
forget this, Google is not the law. They are just a site and have things
that they prefer us to do and not do. That doesn't mean if we do them
we are suddenly unethical. Google has a right to do whatever they want
as far as the rankings of our sites, and we have the right to do whatever
we want to do in order to get those sites further up the ranks. And as Kurt
pointed out, if that means we want to spam link farm sites if we can get
away with it, then there is nothing wrong with it.

Again, Google is not a law agency. They are just a site like any other site.

For example, on my blog, I can block any comments I see as spam. That
doesn't make the person posting the spam unethical. They have the right
to do whatever they want to try to get their links out there just as I have
the right not to allow them on my site.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the Internet is self policing. We
don't need people to tell other people that this is right or wrong. We are
not judge and jury. My only concern in making the comments that I made
in this thread was for Morgan's safety as a marketer in protecting his
business. I don't want to see it go down because he did something that
would make another site take action against him. And while it's not legal
action, deleting his account (within the rights of EZA) would certainly
hurt him.

Ultimately, we are all adults. We are responsible for our own actions. The
only activities I will absolutely speak out against are those that rip people
off from their money, such as fraudulent transactions, continuity that
is in no way disclosed and things of that nature. These things are all illegal
and taken care of (hopefully) by a higher authority. The ethical stuff?

That's between each person and his conscience.

And I'm no Jiminy Cricket.

Last word of advice to anyone reading this.

Whatever you do...be careful.

All our actions do have consequences.

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adamv

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Really it does not matter to me ... But I tell you this...

If I was Chris I would block it 100% and this is how I would do it.

1. I would remove the most viewed section 100% and leave it as such for 60 days and see what difference it really makes.

2. I would change how the most viewed section functions, maybe only count 1 unique ip per 24 hours.

James

They already do that but there are some obvious ways around it.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by adamv

They already do that but there are some obvious ways around it.

Of course there is .. That could be a simple ip changer script...

Personally I would choose option #1 and see how things went. I must admit it would be interesting to see that.

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adamv

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tristan Lee

To get to the point, I think this is what happens when we become totally obsessed with money. We do everything we can to try the game the system legally, and by legally, every word counts. If you notice the Ezine Articles TOS provided in this thread, the absolute clear message its trying to tell the world is do not pay for traffic for the sole purpose of bumping up an article.

"You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats."

However, what Morgan is doing is okay because he's paying for legit traffic and it slides through the words of the TOS.

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

How does artificial and inflated stats affect the future of the EzineArticle directory?

You tell me, or nevermind... maybe that doesn't matter to you.

I'm not hear to tell anyone what to do or to get into a pissing match about what's right and wrong but be careful. Although what the OP is doing appears to slip through on a technicality, it's clear that EZA wouldn't approve, even if they failed to name any particular traffic method specifically.

They can change the TOS whenever they feel like it and older articles will not be grandfathered in. They can go through their directory and delete whatever they want.

I'm not sure I would've posted a video about this technique, drawing extra attention to something that is borderline within the TOS at best.

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Morgan Richman 15 years ago

Originally Posted by adamv

I'm not sure I would've posted a video about this technique, drawing extra attention to something that is borderline within the TOS at best.

That's the fun part

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tristan Lee

This this has been an such an awesome thread guys! Thanks for this!

I took me about an hour reading from the OP to now and finally I can add my input!

To RichJerksNet, I've never had really read anything from you and at first glance from your name, I might have had assumed you were a rich, snobby, jerk who does black hat and tries to game the internet marketing system. I am sorry for that.

I admire your ability to voice your opinion in supporting more ethical ways of getting traffic to a website, despite people who are advocates of this video and people who are trying to pull you down.

At first I thought this video was wrong. I've been an Ezine Article member for a long time, and I've always admired the people who got there articles on the most viewed section because I thought that they had written something worth reading.

I've actually had one of my articles get to the number one spot of the most view articles listing a while back. It felt good getting there, but more important, I hope the article message that I sent out actually helped the people who clicked on it.

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It was until reading this, I had never knew that it was this easy to get to the top most viewed article list of perhaps maybe any niche you want if you have something as simple as as 50 dollar bill.

Imagine if everyone started to do what Morgan showed us in the video. The most viewed section would be filled with articles not because most people actually wanted to read them, but because they were all filled with artificial clicks.

Yes, what Morgan had done was 100% legal. He paid for thousands of views to get legit traffic. Did he ever come across a point in his mind that perhaps one of the people from the service he paid might do something not legit? Maybe he did, but it would be unfair to accuse him of this as he is the only one that knows the answer.

But, for him, that's probably not the first idea that comes across his mind as his intentions are aimed more at getting the best return for his paid investments.

To get to the point, I think this is what happens when we become totally obsessed with money. We do everything we can to try the game the system legally, and by legally, every word counts. If you notice the Ezine Articles TOS provided in this thread, the absolute clear message its trying to tell the world is do not pay for traffic for the sole purpose of bumping up an article.

"You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats."

However, what Morgan is doing is okay because he's paying for legit traffic and it slides through the words of the TOS.

For me, I'm just kind of sick of these games. It gives a bad name to internet marketers and it's a wonder why many people don't trust internet marketers. Because, from this example, what they're most concerned about, rather than spending time and effort (I know this is painful to hear) in providing genuine value to other people, is what can I do today to game the system legally without getting caught while making as much money as I can doing so.

How does artificial and inflated stats affect the future of the EzineArticle directory?

You tell me, or nevermind... maybe that doesn't matter to you.

Really it does not matter to me ... But I tell you this...

If I was Chris I would block it 100% and this is how I would do it.

1. I would remove the most viewed section 100% and leave it as such for 60 days and see what difference it really makes.

2. I would change how the most viewed section functions, maybe only count 1 unique ip per 24 hours.

This is what testing is all about.. If it is a problem and by this thread alone you can see that it is, then it is time to change how it works. For me I would test both the above and see what happens.

Imagine how many marketers would create a thread here complaining that EZA got rid of the most viewed section... LOL

James

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redrossero

15 years ago

I don't think how EZA bans for this type of traffic because I see articles in most vieed with ridiculous amount of views all the time. It is so obvious! Some are so stupid that they buy the traffic for some long tail keywords that in n way they can get naturally 20000 views in 7 days. Actually, this is one of the reason why I have stopped long time to submit my articles to EZA.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by redrossero

I don't think how EZA bans for this type of traffic because I see articles in most vieed with ridiculous amount of views all the time. It is so obvious! Some are so stupid that they buy the traffic for some long tail keywords that in n way they can get naturally 20000 views in 7 days. Actually, this is one of the reason why I have stopped long time to submit my articles to EZA.

They are not banning the "practice" well - because they can't...

How the hell do they know who is doing what to get views?

They are banning patterns....So, if your a moron and you are running traffic to 20 articles a day, chances are good you will feel the hammer.

If you are a moron and you spin 50 articles out of one and submit them all the same day, chances are good you will feel the hammer.

There are no less than 5 articles on the front page of EZA right now with less than 300 words lol - Its about people and patterns...THAT'S IT.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

They are not banning the "practice" well - because they can't...

How the hell do they know who is doing what to get views?

Simple, it's called server logs and yes 90% of it can be tracked and banned. Nothing is 100% for sure but Chris sure could put a stop to a great deal of it "if" people are doing it ...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Simple, it's called server logs and yes 90% of it can be tracked and banned. Nothing is 100% for sure but Chris sure could put a stop to a great deal of it "if" people are doing it ...

James

lol...

Then why isn't he stopping it?

If a hit comes from a website who is to say if it is fake or real?

Is he just going to guess - pick and choose, like they seem to be doing now?

Because I'm almost certain that the "popping your pimples" article posted yesterday with 45billion views was manipulated, yet it is still there

Just like I'm almost certain that some of the "top authors" publish recycled rubbish day in and day out that looks like it was written by a 2nd grader who has never been introduced to hooked on phonics - Yet the articles are still published.

I can send visitors to your site and blank a referrer so you have no idea where they came from.

I can send 200 visitors to your site in the next 24 hours from a blogger blog clicking on a link for the "hottest trend"

I can pligg the crap out of an article I put on YOUR directory and get hundreds or thousands of views in the next 24 hours.

I can syndicate article links through auto-blogs and get hundreds or thousands of "views" in the next 24 hours...

Are they real or fake?

Are they any different than me paying someone $5 for every 1000 subscribers to blast my articles to their list?

Bottom line is....who cares?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

lol...

Then why isn't he stopping it?

If a hit comes from a website who is to say if it is fake or real?

Is he just going to guess - pick and choose, like they seem to be doing now?

Because I'm almost certain that the "popping your pimples" article posted yesterday with 45billion views was manipulated, yet it is still there

Just like I'm almost certain that some of the "top authors" publish recycled rubbish day in and day out that looks like it was written by a 2nd grader who has never been introduced to hooked on phonics - Yet the articles are still published.

I can send visitors to your site and blank a referrer so you have no idea where they came from.

I can send 200 visitors to your site in the next 24 hours from a blogger blog clicking on a link for the "hottest trend"

I can pligg the crap out of an article I put on YOUR directory and get hundreds or thousands of views in the next 24 hours.

I can syndicate article links through auto-blogs and get hundreds or thousands of "views" in the next 24 hours...

Are they real or fake?

Are they any different than me paying someone $5 for every 1000 subscribers to blast my articles to their list?

Bottom line is....who cares?

Has nothing to do with pick and choose... It has to do with tracking. Sure you could "pligg" or whatever that on mine but I also could block it too .. Would not be the first time I started blocking stuff my my server.

I have one website that blocks 90% of the internet just about it.. Because it is built only for a specific reason.

It would not be hard at all for Chris to start blocking, he has the money and he has the staff.. For that matter he could hire a coder to build a script to auto translate the server logs ... Even on trying to blank the referral it can still be tracked.

Patterns are a great deal easier to notice then what you think if you are paying attention to the actual server logs.

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Has nothing to do with pick and choose... It has to do with tracking. Sure you could "pligg" or whatever that on mine but I also could block it too .. Would not be the first time I started blocking stuff my my server.

Did you read anything I wrote?

Visitors CAN and DO come from all over the web, email links, free traffic, as well as paid traffic.

Would you block all bookmarking sites? Social media sites? email traffic? Random websites?

That would be a hell of a way to run a directory. NOBODY ALLOWED IN.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I have one website that blocks 90% of the internet just about it.. Because it is built only for a specific reason.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you would say that because - well, you always have an answer. Congrats on your site that 90% of internet users can't see

What is it's purpose...to sell an ebook on how not to market?

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It would not be hard at all for Chris to start blocking, he has the money and he has the staff.. For that matter he could hire a coder to build a script to auto translate the server logs ... Even on trying to blank the referral it can still be tracked.

Again, is he supposed to block 90% of the internet like you have done?

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Patterns are a great deal easier to notice then what you think if you are paying attention to the actual server logs.

James

That is what I've been saying

Patterns is all they have to go by. I'm not saying I advocate anything that has been written in this thread, but what I will say is - I'm pretty good at not leaving patterns

The other thing I will say is that EZA is making themselves look like clown shoes right now.

If your name is one thing you can still submit 250 word articles.

If your name is one thing you can still feasibly get 10,000 views a day

If your name is one thing your content can be garbage

Good thing I have people working for me whose name is "one thing" I guess

EZA is doing nothing but reacting to the "cry babies" of the world.

So and so submits too many articles

There is no way so and so had that many views

So and so didn't use the proper punctuation

blah
blah
blah

EZA should have a standard email that they can send..

SHUT UP CRY BABY AND WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Jeremy,

I think James has got a point, althoug I agree with you as well. Although James has a site that can actually outrank EZA easily (I think he mentioned it somewhere on this forum) having more than one stream of income is a great idea.

I think as it brings you money and builds your assets, it does not matter which site you build althoug you should keep working on your site. That's true.

MorganRichman

Morgan,
Has nothing to do with rankings.. My question was about "PAYING FOR TRAFFIC" to someone elses website.

If you want to build links to an EZA article then I see no problem with it. I do it for customers all the time, but to actually pay for traffic :confused:

:confused:

If I was going to pay for traffic it would be to my own site.

That is all I am saying ....

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Right. I got your point. (I am slow today...

but the problem is that you can't verify if the traffic is good... If it's not, it does your site no good, whereas it does help your eza article a bit.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Morgan,
Has nothing to do with rankings.. My question was about "PAYING FOR TRAFFIC" to someone elses website.

If you want to build links to an EZA article then I see no problem with it. I do it for customers all the time, but to actually pay for traffic :confused:

:confused:

If I was going to pay for traffic it would be to my own site.

That is all I am saying ....

James

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Kay King 15 years ago

If EZA does not like it, I really kind of don't care. I'll just get another one up there

But that assumes that EZA would only remove the article. They might remove you which would mean no more articles for those sites on EZA.
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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

I dare you to keep that video up there. LOL

Bets anyone on how long before this EZA account gets slapped?

OMG, what kahunas.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

that's hillarious

Morgan Richman

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I dare you to keep that video up there. LOL

Bets anyone on how long before this EZA account gets slapped?

OMG, what kahunas.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Their BIGGEST authors are the ones that started the recent trends...

Sure, their might have been a couple of nudges from others, but if you look at patterns, etc...from people that EZA looks at as successful you will see that they started all of the recent trends long ago.

Same content
Artificial view counts
publishing info manipulation

I guess it is only bad when others get let in on the joke?

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Their BIGGEST authors are the ones that started the recent trends...

Sure, their might have been a couple of nudges from others, but if you look at patterns, etc...from people that EZA looks at as successful you will see that they started all of the recent trends long ago.

Same content
Artificial view counts
publishing info manipulation

I guess it is only bad when others get let in on the joke?

Jeremy, are you saying that you condone this marketing tactic?

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Jeremy, are you saying that you condone this marketing tactic?

Do I condone what he laid out above? No

Do I condone doing what some of the "golden boy" authors at EZA have done for years? absofrickenlutely.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Do I condone what he laid out above? No

Do I condone doing what some of the "golden boy" authors at EZA have done for years? absofrickenlutely.

If those golden boy authors were to continue doing what they do after
EZA finishes making their policy changes, will they still have their EZA
accounts?

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If those golden boy authors were to continue doing what they do after
EZA finishes making their policy changes, will they still have their EZA
accounts?

As long as they are not morons - Yes

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

As long as they are not morons - Yes

Okay, so then we are talking about ethical practices and in no way a
violation of EZA's TOS.

For example, I send emails to my list about articles I post. That will
certainly raise views though not in any way paying for traffic and the
traffic is in fact targeted because these are people interested in the
topic itself.

Just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as you.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Okay, so then we are talking about ethical practices and in no way a
violation of EZA's TOS.

For example, I send emails to my list about articles I post. That will
certainly raise views though not in any way paying for traffic and the
traffic is in fact targeted because these are people interested in the
topic itself.

Just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as you.

Cool.

I guess that depends on how EZA defines "paying for" traffic...

Did you offer then something to be a subscriber? lol

I don't care what anyone says...Alot of what is going on right now and whether or not you are affected by it has more to do with your submission patterns and practices than what you are actually publishing and how you are actually promoting your content.

EZA'S TOS also states that your content should be unique...how unique? Because I see ALOT of authors with ALOT of articles that all say the same thing with nothing more than different words between the keywords.

Me discussing this subject won't turn out good because as Jack Nicholson says many people "CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" - That isn't a reference to you Steve, just a general reference of what I've seen in some of the other discussions.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

I guess that depends on how EZA defines "paying for" traffic...

Did you offer then something to be a subscriber? lol

I don't care what anyone says...Alot of what is going on right now and whether or not you are affected by it has more to do with your submission patterns and practices than what you are actually publishing and how you are actually promoting your content.

EZA'S TOS also states that your content should be unique...how unique? Because I see ALOT of authors with ALOT of articles that all say the same thing with nothing more than different words between the keywords.

Me discussing this subject won't turn out good because as Jack Nicholson says many people "CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" - That isn't a reference to you Steve, just a general reference of what I've seen in some of the other discussions.

I understand what you're saying Jeremy and I think you're right. It's best
we leave it at that.

As a friend, and I do consider you my friend, I just hope that you're
careful and that whatever you do continues to work for you.

Me? I like to play it very safe and so far that's worked for me so there is
no point in me trying to push the envelop.

If you know what I mean.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Good point. If it an't broke, don't fix it. Good stuff.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I understand what you're saying Jeremy and I think you're right. It's best
we leave it at that.

As a friend, and I do consider you my friend, I just hope that you're
careful and that whatever you do continues to work for you.

Me? I like to play it very safe and so far that's worked for me so there is
no point in me trying to push the envelop.

If you know what I mean.

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JohnMcCabe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I really honestly don't think that the strategy I outlined violates their TOS. Now, I understand that it's their site and they can do anything they want with it, but IMHO I am not violating their TOS.

Having said that, If they ban, they ban. As I said, it's their directory.

MorganRichman

Personally, I think you are skating on some mighty thin ice with this one. But that's not what I want to talk about...

James, and others, are asking why anyone would want to pay to drive traffic to someone else's site. Better to drive the traffic to one's own site.

I say it doesn't have to be an either/or thing. If you know your numbers, driving traffic to an article on another site could be profitable. If your profit per subscriber - from EZA, let's say - is greater than the cost of generating that subscriber, you have a positive ROI.

If you have limited resources, and you can generate a higher ROI from driving the traffic to your own site, then that's the way to go.

If you can, you do both, unless you can prove that the one with the lower ROI is cannibalizing the higher-return activity.

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Holland

15 years ago

Hi All

Wouw, talking about a hot debate here. My take on all this is you live and you learn. We all have our methods, good or bad, but trying them is the way to find out.

Yours sincerely
Angelina

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

You know, I can't believe this is still going on.

For what it's worth, if I'm going to pay for traffic, it's not going to be to get
my article to the top of the most viewed list.

It's going to be for targeted PPC traffic using keywords where people are
looking to buy sending them to a page that converts at 3 or 4%.

This whole thing is just nuts.

Oh well, it's good entertainment for a Friday morning.

Anybody got any popcorn?

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Your popcorn comment cracked me up!

Thanks Steven.

Again... it all depends on the ROI.

It you get what you want to get and it's profitable to you, then go do it. That's my take on this.

I mean, let's say I spend 50 bucks on a person that will make sure they get legit traffic to my article and then because of that I get 200 new subscribers or whatever, then for me it's worth it.

After all, it's the same with ppc.

if you're paying 50 bucks for a ppc campaign and it gets you 200 subs and you're happy with that result, there is NOTHING wrong with any of it.

Right?

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You know, I can't believe this is still going on.

For what it's worth, if I'm going to pay for traffic, it's not going to be to get
my article to the top of the most viewed list.

It's going to be for targeted PPC traffic using keywords where people are
looking to buy sending them to a page that converts at 3 or 4%.

This whole thing is just nuts.

Oh well, it's good entertainment for a Friday morning.

Anybody got any popcorn?

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

Your popcorn comment cracked me up!

Thanks Steven.

Again... it all depends on the ROI.

It you get what you want to get and it's profitable to you, then go do it. That's my take on this.

I mean, let's say I spend 50 bucks on a person that will make sure they get legit traffic to my article and then because of that I get 200 new subscribers or whatever, then for me it's worth it.

After all, it's the same with ppc.

if you're paying 50 bucks for a ppc campaign and it gets you 200 subs and you're happy with that result, there is NOTHING wrong with any of it.

Right?

MorganRichman

Well, here's the difference the way I see it.

You're right, as far as ROI, no difference. If both serve the same function
and get the same results at the same price, toss up.

But...

1. Testing would need to be done to see if one performs better than the
other. So the jury is out on that as of now since nobody, neither you or
I know. Agreed?

2. Given both tactics, let's examine chance of shutdown.

With PPC, I can be shut down if I am sending people to a landing page
that, in the eyes of Google, is not good. Well, not shut down, but my
QS goes in the toilet and my CPC goes through the roof and essentially
my PPC campaign is toast. Agreed? But, I still keep my account and can
try another campaign. Plus, if I have any smarts at all, I know what kind
of a landing page to send people to so the chances of this happening are
very slim.

With your tactic, given that "technically" it is against EZA's TOS (even
though you're doing an end run around it) what can happen is far more
devastating. You lose your EZA account and with it, every article you
have up there (not just the one campaign) gets yanked.

Somebody like me who has thousands of articles posted through EZA, that
is just too much of a risk.

Sure, somebody who just has 1 article has almost nothing to lose. You
toss it up there, do your thing, get your 40,000 views, get a couple
hundred subscribers and then, if you get yanked, so what? What have
you really lost. Hell, you can just open up a new account with a new
name and email and do it again.

IMO, it's a lousy way to live and run a business. It's kind of like the
black hatters always having to find the new thing because the old thing
got shut down by a new Google slap.

Ultimately, it comes down to how you want to run your business. And I'm
not even going to get into ethics because this really isn't about ethics.
Just because EZA says they don't accept traffic that is paid for doesn't
mean paying for traffic is unethical because lots of other sites DO allow
you to pay for traffic. EZA just isn't one of them.

No, I'm not talking about ethics. I'm talking about how sound the structure
of your business is. If you're doing things that constantly get shot down
then you are not running an efficient business.

I have thousands of articles out there today getting me traffic each and
every day on autopilot. I have almost no fear that those articles will
ever disappear from the Internet.

With YOUR system, can you honestly say the same thing?

And if not, and you don't care, that's fine.

But there may be people here who will look at what you do, think to
themselves, "Wow, that's really cool. I'm gonna try that" in the hopes that
they'll hit it big, put all their heart and soul into it and end up waking up
one morning to a non existent EZA account.

For those people, this kind of advice is just bad. There is no other way to
put it, which is why I strongly wish that this thread would be killed and
all traces of it tossed into the deepest darkest vaults of all of England.

This is just flat out dangerous advice.

Anybody who can't see that is seriously kidding themselves.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Steven,

You're absolutely right.

This advice is dangerous, because even though I personally don't think it's against any TOS right now (the way I put it with a traffic manager and not just with paying for clicks), by the time someone reads this thread and decides to take action on this, it CAN be against the TOS.

That's why you have to be careful.

Now, just to make everything clear I do NOT recommend any newbies going crazy with this technique. They will slip, get burnt and discouraged if they are not careful (especially because as you said, they can put their whole heart and soul into this and lose everything when their EZA gets banned) but that's why you do other stuff. Other than article marketing.

I am not a noob and I am willing to take the risk of doing what I showed in the video just for the fun of it because I do NOT put my entire business on this.

I mean, again, I don't think I am breaking the EZA TOS, but it's not my site after all and I understand that Chris can wake up one morning and kick me out. I understand that can happen because he might decide that even though it's not against their TOS, he might just decide that he simply doesn't like what I do.

Frankly...

I don't care very much. I am willing to take that risk just for the fun of it.

You don't even know how fun this thread has been to me. It's worth it for that reason.

Now, I understand that you like to play it safe and I respect that.

I like to have the more risky type of fun.

Again, for a noob, doing something like this might ruin their entire business, for me... does not really matter.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Well, here's the difference the way I see it.

You're right, as far as ROI, no difference. If both serve the same function
and get the same results at the same price, toss up.

But...

1. Testing would need to be done to see if one performs better than the
other. So the jury is out on that as of now since nobody, neither you or
I know. Agreed?

2. Given both tactics, let's examine chance of shutdown.

With PPC, I can be shut down if I am sending people to a landing page
that, in the eyes of Google, is not good. Well, not shut down, but my
QS goes in the toilet and my CPC goes through the roof and essentially
my PPC campaign is toast. Agreed? But, I still keep my account and can
try another campaign. Plus, if I have any smarts at all, I know what kind
of a landing page to send people to so the chances of this happening are
very slim.

With your tactic, given that "technically" it is against EZA's TOS (even
though you're doing an end run around it) what can happen is far more
devastating. You lose your EZA account and with it, every article you
have up there (not just the one campaign) gets yanked.

Somebody like me who has thousands of articles posted through EZA, that
is just too much of a risk.

Sure, somebody who just has 1 article has almost nothing to lose. You
toss it up there, do your thing, get your 40,000 views, get a couple
hundred subscribers and then, if you get yanked, so what? What have
you really lost. Hell, you can just open up a new account with a new
name and email and do it again.

IMO, it's a lousy way to live and run a business. It's kind of like the
black hatters always having to find the new thing because the old thing
got shut down by a new Google slap.

Ultimately, it comes down to how you want to run your business. And I'm
not even going to get into ethics because this really isn't about ethics.
Just because EZA says they don't accept traffic that is paid for doesn't
mean paying for traffic is unethical because lots of other sites DO allow
you to pay for traffic. EZA just isn't one of them.

No, I'm not talking about ethics. I'm talking about how sound the structure
of your business is. If you're doing things that constantly get shot down
then you are not running an efficient business.

I have thousands of articles out there today getting me traffic each and
every day on autopilot. I have almost no fear that those articles will
ever disappear from the Internet.

With YOUR system, can you honestly say the same thing?

And if not, and you don't care, that's fine.

But there may be people here who will look at what you do, think to
themselves, "Wow, that's really cool. I'm gonna try that" in the hopes that
they'll hit it big, put all their heart and soul into it and end up waking up
one morning to a non existent EZA account.

For those people, this kind of advice is just bad. There is no other way to
put it, which is why I strongly wish that this thread would be killed and
all traces of it tossed into the deepest darkest vaults of all of England.

This is just flat out dangerous advice.

Anybody who can't see that is seriously kidding themselves.

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David McAnulty

15 years ago

I am taking bets if you want to PM me. There are 100 to 1 odds that EZA is going to take action against this account. So if you even shell out a dollar there "might" be a chance to win big here.

PM me if you want to jump in on the action.

LOL

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by David McAnulty

I am taking bets if you want to PM me. There are 100 to 1 odds that EZA is going to take action against this account. So if you even shell out a dollar there "might" be a chance to win big here.

PM me if you want to jump in on the action.

LOL

I only gamble on sure things....Here's my buck. ($)

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15 years ago

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by edmltw

^

Whatever is above is the latest episode of...

"The Squabble of Professional Article Marketers"

Stay tuned for more exciting stories...

Subscribe to this thread today!

That is about right .... I seriously think newbies should pay more attention before doing something like this.

James

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

I think I got this finally... man... I am slow today (I think I got to sleep more)

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Their BIGGEST authors are the ones that started the recent trends...

Sure, their might have been a couple of nudges from others, but if you look at patterns, etc...from people that EZA looks at as successful you will see that they started all of the recent trends long ago.

Same content
Artificial view counts
publishing info manipulation

I guess it is only bad when others get let in on the joke?

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Zach Booker

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Has nothing to do with rankings.. My question was about "PAYING FOR TRAFFIC" to someone elses website.

If you want to build links to an EZA article then I see no problem with it. I do it for customers all the time, but to actually pay for traffic :confused:

:confused:

If I was going to pay for traffic it would be to my own site.

That is all I am saying ....

James

Was using Adwords, back in the day, to direct link to a sales page also a terrible move? That's like a double wammy.

:confused:

I see your points...

But when you look at it in terms of.

1) Outsource the article
2) Spend a few minutes putting in on EZA
3) Outsource a few backlinks to be made to it
4) Link to your site for a little link juice
5) ???
6) Profit

Total time for you? A few minutes...

And you get an article that, if done right, will get you tons of visitors to your original site along with a powerful backlink or two to your site.

I don't see it as stupid to do. I see it as leveraging an incredibly popular, and highly regarded site, for your benefit.

Not saying you should spend all your time putting thousands of articles on EZA - but you should take advantage of the resource just the same as we, as marketers, take advantage of Web 2.0 properties and do-follow blogs to boost our rankings.

Zach

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

James, you have some knowledge, I'll give you that...

but, your views and opinions are very narrow.

Why build traffic to someone elses site?

Because it can generate $100, $200, $300 a day without touching it after the fact...good enough reason?

The best part? It takes a couple minutes to implement...

build your own site

Build your own site

build your own site

Have the guys that do nothing but preach this ever considered owning more than one spot on the front page of Google or other search engines?

have the guys that do nothing but preach this ever considered having multiple streams of income for the same niche?

Just sayin..

Jeremy,
I have about 20 streams of income and all from MY OWN sites. I have multiple top listings in google and again all from MY OWN sites. Why build up another site when you can do the exact same thing on your own ..

Building up someone esles site and especially paying for traffic to do so is not a smart marketing move. You could have been building your own site up and not have to follow anyone elses rules or tos. You can edit the content anytime you wish and if you even choose to use direct affiliate links you can.

My thinking is not narrow, I prefer to work smart and working smart means building up my own website and not some glorified ad sense farm. To even go to the point to pay for traffic to a ad sense farm... OMG!!

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Jeremy,
I have about 20 streams of income and all from MY OWN sites. I have multiple top listings in google and again all from MY OWN sites. Why build up another site when you can do the exact same thing on your own ..

Building up someone esles site and especially paying for traffic to do so is not a smart marketing move. You could have been building your own site up and not have to follow anyone elses rules or tos. You can edit the content anytime you wish and if you even choose to use direct affiliate links you can.

My thinking is not narrow, I prefer to work smart and working smart means building up my own website and not some glorified ad sense farm. To even go to the point to pay for traffic to a ad sense farm... OMG!!

James

1. I can edit my content on EZA
2. I can use redirects to use affiliate links
3. What isn't a smart marketing move to you, puts a crap load of money in my pocket.

I'm all for the "long term" and we have several projects that show that - But, every once in a while my wallet wants to know "what have you done for me lately" so, I will gladly take the money that EZA siphons off to me through CPA networks, clickbank, and paypal.

I get what you are saying...or maybe I don't?

Sometimes it sounds like you are saying article directories are a waste of time...

other times you say - Look at my article directory...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

1. I can edit my content on EZA
2. I can use redirects to use affiliate links
3. What isn't a smart marketing move to you, puts a crap load of money in my pocket.

I'm all for the "long term" and we have several projects that show that - But, every once in a while my wallet wants to know "what have you done for me lately" so, I will gladly take the money that EZA siphons off to me through CPA networks, clickbank, and paypal.

I get what you are saying...or maybe I don't?

Sometimes it sounds like you are saying article directories are a waste of time...

other times you say - Look at my article directory...

You did not understand my post ... Read the above ...

James

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waken

15 years ago

Well ... well... this is an additional term added by Chris not too long ago following a thread that was started here ...
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...L6hGenXZGkB7qG

You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats. Doing so may result in your account being terminated.

So, in other words Morgan, if you were driving traffic to your articles with any of the above methods prior to May 27, '09, then it's ok. But it's violation now since May 27 2009.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

I am not doing any of the quote things. I am paying someone to drive real traffic to my website. Not paying for the traffic itself.

I don't think Reese is sitting there copying and pasting links and stuff. He's paying people to do it. That's all I do.

Or... am I misunderstanding you?

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Originally Posted by waken

Well ... well... this is an additional term added by Chris not too long ago following a thread that was started here ...
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...L6hGenXZGkB7qG

So, in other words Morgan, if you were driving traffic to your articles with any of the above methods prior to May 27, '09, then it's ok. But it's violation now since May 27 2009.

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Jill Carpenter 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I am not doing any of the quote things. I am paying someone to drive real traffic to my website. Not paying for the traffic itself.

ROFLMBO -

Oh, I see. It is not ok to kill someone yourself, but is quite alright to hire a hit man to do it for you.
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  Jill,
  
  with all due respect, I think you're missing the point. I am paying for LEGITIMATE traffic. All I am saying is that I can't verify that, but I am asking and paying for legit traffic.
  
  MorganRichman
  
  Originally Posted by avenuegirl
  
  ROFLMBO -
  
  Oh, I see. It is not ok to kill someone yourself, but is quite alright to hire a hit man to do it for you.
  
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waken

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I am not doing any of the quote things. I am paying someone to drive real traffic to my website. Not paying for the traffic itself.

I don't think Reese is sitting there copying and pasting links and stuff. He's paying people to do it. That's all I do.

Or... am I misunderstanding you?

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Well, I didn't watch your video (coz my line is a bit slow today) but got a rough idea from what others are posting and made an assumption of what you did .. sorry if I was wrong.

BTW, don't feel offended. Warriors are great people and we are just concern about your account being banned and worst.. newbie that might got their account ban following advises that are no longer valid.

Nothing personal dude..

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

No offence taken. Thanks though.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by waken

Well, I didn't watch your video (coz my line is a bit slow today) but got a rough idea from what others are posting and made an assumption of what you did .. sorry if I was wrong.

BTW, don't feel offended. Warriors are great people and we are just concern about your account being banned and worst.. newbie that might got their account ban following advises that are no longer valid.

Nothing personal dude..

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by waken

Well, I didn't watch your video (coz my line is a bit slow today) but got a rough idea from what others are posting and made an assumption of what you did .. sorry if I was wrong.

BTW, don't feel offended. Warriors are great people and we are just concern about your account being banned and worst.. newbie that might got their account ban following advises that are no longer valid.

Nothing personal dude..

The video does not advocate buying traffic directly and he even points out EZA's TOS showing that is not currently an acceptable thing to do.

What he does say is you can hire someone to drive traffic to your site. You hand them some money and what ever methods they use is not your concern.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Now, one thing he should probably be concerned about is calling the page with the article on it "his site." Unless he owns EZA, that is his article but it is not his site.

I'm sure EZA would not be upset if someone was driving traffic to the main part of the article directory - the front page. And it does seem that they even have plans for an affiliate program in the future (I saw it somewhere). But what is being done here is in my opinion is a bit of a dirty tactic to get his article noticed by increasing the amount of times it has been viewed - thereby pushing it into the most viewed articles. While he is "outsourcing" things, his outsourcers are technically the ones doing the dirty work. He is just paying for "the hit."

He is walking a very fine line here. He may not even get banned, but if EZA is made aware of this they may make additional adjustments to their TOS ie: No hiring of third party services to direct traffic to your article.

Does what he is showing work? Yes (appears to be). Is it legal within EZA's TOS? Sticky. Would I do it? No. It just pushes me harder to want to write something people really want to read and create something that can cause its own natural perpetual traffic. Which by the way will start to get easier as EZA continues to remove old articles and authors that are not truly contributing their best works.

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SellItLikeItIs

15 years ago

If a newbie took the time to read this thread, he would see that it is a frowned upon method and could have bad consequences for his article account.

If it's deleted, then he just wonders what all the hooplah is about and gets sold into buying traffic from someone on digital point or any number of other places.

If this place is about learning, it should be about learning the good and the bad. What TO do and what NOT to do.

<p>

Interesting thread. I am a noob, only been IM for a year and still have a very long way to go. I think Mr2Monster has a great point.

I am thinking maybe we could turn this thread around a bit and have everyone share some less controversial ways to get your article noticed?

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Scott Million

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Why would you just not build the traffic to your own site, come on man.. you going to pay for traffic to build up someone elses site ??????

Not a smart marketing move....

James

The reason why you would pay for traffic to an EZA is to build up your stats to tap into all the traffic within that network, which you could never do with a million of your own sites.

While this particular method of doing so may tick off article marketers who work hard to get the most views in the way they consider 'white hat', this is clever.

Bring it on! I say leverage what can be leveraged...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Scott Million

The reason why you would pay for traffic to an EZA is to build up your stats to tap into all the traffic within that network, which you could never do with a million of your own sites.

While this particular method of doing so may tick off article marketers who work hard to get the most views in the way they consider 'white hat', this is clever.

Bring it on! I say leverage what can be leveraged...

Here goes an idea - Use social media properly and you build that traffic to your article properly... Of course this method also requires a high quality article to be written too... Doing it properly you could easily have hundreds to your articles within hours and that is only using 1 social media site.

Sorry but no way would I pay for traffic to someone elses site. You can justify it until the cows come home but many of your are misleading newbies into thinking they can just go use a bunch of black hat methods to have their article show.

This is why steven wanted this thread removed and I agree 100% ...

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

I see your point James, and as I follow you quite closely and know what you do to the people on this forum, I respect it greatly, but I think that some people prefer to just pay for stuff rather than do the work. Nothing wrong about it.

I mean, I am not going to spend half a day doing tideous stuff if I can pay for it 50 bucks and not worry about it.

The above example is in no way connected to yours. What I am trying to say is that to some people a $50 really isn't much.

MorganRichman

EDIT: Just to make you happy James, because I like you: Newbies DON'T Try This At Home!

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Here goes an idea - Use social media properly and you build that traffic to your article properly... Of course this method also requires a high quality article to be written too... Doing it properly you could easily have hundreds to your articles within hours and that is only using 1 social media site.

Sorry but no way would I pay for traffic to someone elses site. You can justify it until the cows come home but many of your are misleading newbies into thinking they can just go use a bunch of black hat methods to have their article show.

This is why steven wanted this thread removed and I agree 100% ...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

I see your point James, and as I follow you quite closely and know what you do to the people on this forum, I respect it greatly, but I think that some people prefer to just pay for stuff rather than do the work. Nothing wrong about it.

I mean, I am not going to spend half a day doing tideous stuff if I can pay for it 50 bucks and not worry about it.

The above example is in no way connected to yours. What I am trying to say is that to some people a $50 really isn't much.

MorganRichman

Nothing wrong with paying someone for a service but paying for direct clicks to that article for the purpose to put it in the most viewed is unethical in my opinion and I sure would not want to see any newbies getting no bad ideas.

Now if you paid a buddy to go use social media sites such as digg, stumbleupon, clipmarks, and etc.. To generate that traffic then that is a different story. You are paying for social bookmarking. The thing is though many do not realize how powerful something like stumbleupon can really be.

I written an article not long ago for one of my sites and I posted that article on that site. I then went to stumbleupon and stumbled it, now because I have taken the time to build up my account and I have friends then when I stumbled the article, so did they.

Within a few hours I had 600 visits and 12 sales, so there goes $600 in a few hours just for writting an article and using social media which only took a "few minutes".. I have had more traffic and sales but I am not going to release those numbers.

Point being is I did it 100% ethically...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Don't pay for PTC then...

Bookmark your site on Scuttle sites and let the trackbacks increase your views

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Don't pay for PTC then...

Bookmark your site on Scuttle sites and let the trackbacks increase your views

Will not get you very far as not many do it .. At least the few I deal with don't ..

This is the reason you build up your social profiles..

James

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Look, you want to get a ton of visitors to your articles?

Build up a loyal HUGE following on Twitter (people who really care about
what you have to say) and then use EZA's automatic Tweet service to
broadcast whenever a new article of yours is published.

Since using Twitter, traffic to my blog and other articles has increased
by 4 times.

And it's legit.

Hell, even EZA approves of it.

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

then use EZA's automatic Tweet service to
broadcast whenever a new article of yours is published.

You mean EZA's attempt at twitter spam?
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Look, you want to get a ton of visitors to your articles?

Build up a loyal HUGE following on Twitter (people who really care about
what you have to say) and then use EZA's automatic Tweet service to
broadcast whenever a new article of yours is published.

Since using Twitter, traffic to my blog and other articles has increased
by 4 times.

And it's legit.

Hell, even EZA approves of it.

This I will agree with ...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Will not get you very far as not many do it .. At least the few I deal with don't ..

This is the reason you build up your social profiles..

James

lol...ever hear of autopligg?
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- TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall
  
  lol...ever hear of autopligg?
  
  Nope dont use it ... As far as twitter on EZA, nothing wrong with that at all.. But they lacking in auto syndication a great deal ...lol
  
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- Francois du_Toit 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall
  
  lol...ever hear of autopligg?
  
  Yeah, the word "spam" as in spamming other sites for backlinks comes to mind...
  
  Are you using autopligg Jeremy? :confused:
  
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  Jeremy Kelsall 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Francois du_Toit
  
  Yeah, the word "spam" as in spamming other sites for backlinks comes to mind...
  
  Are you using autopligg Jeremy? :confused:
  
  Francois, Pretty much every backlink strategy talked about is "spamming" when it comes down to it.
  
  Autopligg is really no different than any other automated bookmarking tool.
  
  As for autopligg - I stopped using it when the rest of the masses started to use it...on to bigger and better things.
  
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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I written an article not long ago for one of my sites and I posted that article on that site. I then went to stumbleupon and stumbled it, now because I have taken the time to build up my account and I have friends then when I stumbled the article, so did they.

Within a few hours I had 600 visits and 12 sales, so there goes $600 in a few hours just for writting an article and using social media which only took a "few minutes"..

Are you kidding me? StumbleUpon traffic is terrible for just about every niche. I find your stats very hard to fathom - I'd love to know what niche this was for.

You do get killer traffic to your article, but click-through rates are atrocious, and conversions are so rare that its not worth it for most people, no matter how long it takes.

Very poor example for most people...

I call that a Stumble Surge and I see it happen a few times a day with our articles. I can't reveal the stats either, but CTRs barely even reach 12 click-throughs with 600 views, much less 12 sales.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Are you kidding me? StumbleUpon traffic is terrible for just about every niche. I find your stats very hard to fathom - I'd love to know what niche this was for.

You do get killer traffic to your article, but click-through rates are atrocious, and conversions are so rare that its not worth it for most people, no matter how long it takes.

Very poor example for most people...

I call that a Stumble Surge and I see it happen a few times a day with our articles. I can't reveal the stats either, but CTRs barely even reach 12 click-throughs with 600 views, much less 12 sales.

Allen

There are some very powerful people on stumbleupon, use it to it's ability and it will give back to you in return.. It may be terrible for you but not for me. Not a poor example at all because the it works.. Just like EZA works for those that like it, does not mean it works for everyone...

I will keep my social media and my sales and keep on improving upon it also.. I spend a great deal of time testing and figuring out things, thus why I work 16 - 18 hours a day 7 days a week...

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Morgan Richman 15 years ago

There goes your 4 hour work week Just teasing. I am a figuring out type of person as well, but I wouldn't call it work. It's way too much fun for me.

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

thus why I work 16 - 18 hours a day 7 days a week...

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It may be terrible for you but not for me. Not a poor example at all because the it works..

Not me, bro - hundreds of people marketing their articles online covering hundreds of niches. It just doesn't work well for most niches...at least the ones that I have the privelege of watching.

I will say that there are other Social Marketing scenes that provide some good traffic and CTs, but SU ain't one of them.

Then again, as we both plead with people to do - test it for yourself!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Not me, bro - hundreds of people marketing their articles online covering hundreds of niches. It just doesn't work well for most niches...at least the ones that I have the privelege of watching.

I will say that there are other Social Marketing scenes that provide some good traffic and CTs, but SU ain't one of them.

Then again, as we both plead with people to do - test it for yourself!

Allen

Matter of opinion.. Me I test ... If it works then I tweak it and try a few other things. As I said if it does not work for others then that is on them, works for me.

I have said it over and over and some people are actually following it and seeing results. Participate in the communities, do not just plop your link and move on.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I will keep my social media and my sales and keep on improving upon it also.. I spend a great deal of time testing and figuring out things, thus why I work 16 - 18 hours a day 7 days a week...

James

Yeah....about that....

If your doing it right and it takes you 16-18 hours - I'LL KEEP DOING IT WRONG...SERIOUSLY...

I guess the question is, how much do you get for working 16-18 hours a day? lol

Take this however you want, but the more you "share" the less I'm believing you these days...This has very little to do with this thread and more to do with your overall attitude and the information you give.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Yeah....about that....

If your doing it right and it takes you 16-18 hours - I'LL KEEP DOING IT WRONG...SERIOUSLY...

I guess the question is, how much do you get for working 16-18 hours a day? lol

Take this however you want, but the more you "share" the less I'm believing you these days...This has very little to do with this thread and more to do with your overall attitude and the information you give.

LOL .. I work on many websites Jeremy and I supply support for more websites than you know. I work because I love what I do. Does not take me 16 - 18 hours a day, I work those hours because I choose to do so not because I have to.

Upto you dude, I realize many do not like the fact that I do not defend eza and I am not one of the group but that is perfectly ok with me because I rather not be one of the group.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Yeah....about that....

If your doing it right and it takes you 16-18 hours - I'LL KEEP DOING IT WRONG...SERIOUSLY...

I guess the question is, how much do you get for working 16-18 hours a day? lol

Take this however you want, but the more you "share" the less I'm believing you these days...This has very little to do with this thread and more to do with your overall attitude and the information you give.

Yeah, about that...

And this is not directed at any one person, but to everyone.

When you make a bunch of claims, but fail to show the proof, then your credibility begins to decline at an ever increasing rate. I've been seeing that a lot lately from a lot of different people here. And credibility is like trust - it takes a lot longer to get it back than it does to lose it.

"I can do this, I can do that. I've been there and done that. I can rule the Internet! Listen to me and buy my stuff."

Where's the beef? All I see is two buns.

The OP of this thread showed his proof. I commend him for that, although in this case he probably shouldn't have. LOL

Mini rant complete. Sorry.

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GuerrillaIM 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

many of your are misleading newbies into thinking they can just go use a bunch of black hat methods to have their article show.

That's not misleading, you can do it, and most of the people who make a decent income from EZA do it, whether they admit to it or not. It just comes with risks.
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GuerrillaIM

15 years ago

Your method basically boils down to "pay someone else to do it"(unless i completely missed the point somewhere). I think this is risky as you cannot verify their methods as you do not have access to EZA's logs.

Your article is in most viewed so it has been published within the last 90 days. You have had 41,000 views and get 2-7 subscribers per day. It looks to me like you have bought junk traffic and these subscribers are finding you through most viewed link and probably some seo traffic.

I can't see how this is different to buying a traffic package from a site. It seems you are just asking someone to buy it on your behalf. I probably have missed the point somewhere so I apologise if that is the case.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

That might be the case, but again, I paid for legit traffic. It's now up to the provider of the traffic to be honest with me. That's how I take it.

MorganRichman

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Your method basically boils down to "pay someone else to do it"(unless i completely missed the point somewhere). I think this is risky as you cannot verify their methods as you do not have access to EZA's logs.

Your article is in most viewed so it has been published within the last 90 days. You have had 41,000 views and get 2-7 subscribers per day. It looks to me like you have bought junk traffic and these subscribers are finding you through most viewed link and probably some seo traffic.

I can't see how this is different to buying a traffic package from a site. It seems you are just asking someone to buy it on your behalf. I probably have missed the point somewhere so I apologise if that is the case.

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GuerrillaIM

15 years ago

Is that so you can sleep at night? Only joking

Save yourself a few bucks and buy the fake traffic direct. If they ban you for it just spam all your competitors with loads of fake traffic and get them banned also. (not really suggesting you do this, just illustrating a point)

EZA is between a rock and a hard place. It is possible to filter some fake traffic but if you know what you are doing you can game any system they setup. How can they ban you for offpage factors?? It could be someone else doing it.

I don't buy traffic to my articles as it is easy enough to generate it legit, but even so I have created multiple accounts that I split my articles between to be safe incase one gets banned for some unkown reason.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

So you guys are saying that it's ok for me to outsource link building and social bookmarking and forum posting and blog commenting and all that good stuff, but it's not ok to just go to someone and say "get me legit traffic" and pay for the full package?

Other than the fact that you can't verify the quality of the traffic, whereas if you outsource everything in pieces, you can actually get reports and stuff of how things got done, I don't see a difference.

Honestly don't.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

So you guys are saying that it's ok for me to outsource link building and social bookmarking and forum posting and blog commenting and all that good stuff, but it's not ok to just go to someone and say "get me legit traffic" and pay for the full package?

Other than the fact that you can't verify the quality of the traffic, whereas if you outsource everything in pieces, you can actually get reports and stuff of how things got done, I don't see a difference.

Honestly don't.

MorganRichman

Morgan you do not see a difference between trying to generate clicks for the purpose of upping stats to get on the view page and actual social media ? Wow ...

First

You agree to not purchase or utilize PPC (PayPerClick), PPV (PayPerView) traffic, safelists, or traffic exchanges to artificially inflate your EzineArticles traffic stats. Doing so may result in your account being terminated.

Social meia is 100% different, these are people that you interact with and talk with and share things with. If you pay for a package for someone that has established accounts with social media then it is being done to get your article noticed and not for the sole purpose of just building hits up to be on the view page..

There is a huge difference...

Besides that social media other people tend to take your article and share it with their friends and their friends with their friends.. In other words if they like it, it can go viral easily. There are stumbles that have 50k, 60k, 100,00k 500,000k stumbles and higher...

The fact that you can tie facebook, twitter, and StumbleUpon together makes it even more powerful..

And this is just 3 places...

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theimdude

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

So you guys are saying that it's ok for me to outsource link building and social bookmarking and forum posting and blog commenting and all that good stuff, but it's not ok to just go to someone and say "get me legit traffic" and pay for the full package?

Other than the fact that you can't verify the quality of the traffic, whereas if you outsource everything in pieces, you can actually get reports and stuff of how things got done, I don't see a difference.

Honestly don't.

MorganRichman

Now come on do you honestly believe that as you put it "get me legit traffic" your way is "legit traffic" :rolleyes:

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Morgan Richman 15 years ago

Yes I do. I pay for legit and I expect to get legit. If the provider wants to rip me off and give me fake traffic, that's his problem not mine.

Although they do mostly rip off. Unfortunately.

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Now come on do you honestly believe that as you put it "get me legit traffic" your way is "legit traffic" :rolleyes:
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J Bold

15 years ago

Why should this be removed? We are not children. Also, it's funny how the article marketing WSO at the top of this forum right now just might suggest some things that violate the terms of service of Ezine as well (although that's a small part of the WSO), so why remove it?

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

The reason why removing this thread was brought up is that when you do stuff like this you got to be careful. People didn't want some new, excited person to use what we talk about here without thinking.

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Originally Posted by redicelander

Why should this be removed? We are not children. Also, it's funny how the article marketing WSO at the top of this forum right now just might suggest some things that violate the terms of service of Ezine as well (although that's a small part of the WSO), so why remove it?

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GuerrillaIM

15 years ago

Hehe jeremy let cat out of bag. Another twist is to distribute link over large autoblog network.

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Jeremy Kelsall 15 years ago

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Hehe jeremy let cat out of bag. Another twist is to distribute link over large autoblog network.

lol - was holding that back
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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Morgan you do not see a difference between trying to generate clicks for the purpose of upping stats to get on the view page and actual social media ? Wow ...

James,

Why are you using social media on your ezine articles? To present people with good content, drive traiffic to your site, AND to increase your view count, right?

Or amy I missing something here?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Morgan Richman

James,

Why are you using social media on your ezine articles? To present people with good content, drive traiffic to your site, AND to increase your view count, right?

Or amy I missing something here?

MorganRichman

Your missing the fact that I do not post to EZA at all .. No thanks! Got better things to do with my time then to sit there and build up a ad sense farm site.

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

Yeah, I mean...

I'm sorry. I kind of meant in general. I am sorry for the confusion.

I figured out a few hours back that you probably don't use EZA too much

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Your missing the fact that I do not post to EZA at all .. No thanks! Got better things to do with my time then to sit there and build up a ad sense farm site.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Morgan,
I build backlinks and traffic to my sites/blogs ... I do not build many backlinks to ad sense filled article directories.

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15 years ago

Jeremy Kelsall Rullllllllllllleeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz

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Morgan Richman 15 years ago

Waht the crap!?! Don't make me mad man...

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EDIT: I do think you rule Jeremy Just don't like spammers.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I was wrong to have disagreed and provided my viewpoint gathered from hundreds of article marketers every day. What was I thinking?!

I retract everything I have stated in this thread, because James said I was wrong.

My apologies.

Everyone listen closely to James and do exactly what he says.

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Slin

15 years ago

Who cares? If he is advertising a product that solve people's needs, does it matter that he boosts his stats?

Oh and interesting stuff about ezine..huh..

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Morgan Richman

15 years ago

It has been a great pleasure to talk to you all

I am going to bed. Good night.

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GrantFreeman

15 years ago

Morgan,

I like your tenacity of wanting to help others with article marketing. But before you do that, do yourself a huge favor and understand EZA's terms of service. Right now, I don't think you do.

Neglecting this means you'll lose all the work you've done. It's just a matter of time.

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GuerrillaIM

15 years ago

If they block one method people will just use another. There will always be a way to game the results.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

If they block one method people will just use another. There will always be a way to game the results.

You are right ... As I said 90% can be blocked though. Not like EZA does not have the money to create a complex system to handle it.

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  In the old days people used to generate spam traffic by downloading a few girly videos and making them into a page, then submitting that page to a free girly site network.
  
  Of course, on the page at the bottom are lots of small 1x1 pixel iframes containing the sites you want to build traffic to.
  
  Do it right and it gets thousands of views within a few hours and it doesn't cost anything. I suppose you could do it on a domain name that is ontopic and after a day change it to an optopic page so it all looks legit.
  
  Maybe I will do that for my next video LOL. I think EZA has javascript to detect if it is loaded in frame, but you could most likely block this with javascript on parent page.
  
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JesseT

15 years ago

I'd have to say. I understand where the OP is coming from. Simply put, he's paying for trash visitors to get more legit visitors. As many people have said before, paying for that traffic to go to his site won't do him any good. Having said that, I'm pretty sure it constitutes paying for traffic to your article and therefore violating TOS. What you are actually doing is turning a blind eye to how the traffic is coming. I can't help but to picture you being a mob boss saying, "I don't cares hows you get the traffic, just get the traffic and make sure it's "legit."' finger quotations and all! Building a twitter base and marketing to them definitely sounds like the winner though. They want to read what you have to say, will go the site and might actually opt-in/buy from you. It benefits you by them being potential buys WHILE making your article popular on EZA bringing you even more traffic. How can you beat that?

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SeanIM

15 years ago

There's a lot of discussions to be had in-between-the-lines here.

I'm sure this was helpful to quite a few people, although it ruffles the feathers of some...

Interesting post nonetheless.

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15 years ago

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