Wooooow, I just earned 37k today alone...My Goodness!

14 years ago

I looked because I wanted to see the latest pile of BS someone was spreading.

Originally Posted by ktlasm

Hmmmm, you see...I got ya didn't I...? Yup, admit it...lol. My point being is that it seems as though that kind of crap(headline) is what most people buy into thinking it's the holy grail to IM. I know, I know..."Kevin, you've got to have a compelling headline"...Yes, I concur 100% with that. The killer is, is that in recent months I've seen such silly headlines that come across even cheesier than the one that got you to click on this thread....It's utterly ridiculous. Anyway, my caveat or 2 cents for that matter in writing this thread is this. If at anytime you feel being drawn into thinking that a headline alone is "the answer" you've been searching for...Chances are it's not, and to be quite frank with you team. I'm actually not indignant at all with the latest changes coming from the FTC. All in all we're here to do our best as ethical marketers(at least I hope so) and carve our piece of the American(or where ever you're from) dream for ourselves. So, with that said just be careful where you place your value meter because you just may be setting yourself up for let down. I surely hope not though.

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ktlasm

14 years ago

Ron,

I feel ya my man...lol. It's funny isn't it, but I've learned to simply shift my thinking from all the "BS" that exist to just "they will do anything" type of thinking...It's to energy draining for me to keep up with so much foolery when the capacity for me, us, you to do good. Keep rockin'

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Ron.

14 years ago

I can dig it. IM is almost making me sick to my stomach due in part to all of the sleezy sales pages.

IM is a great business but I cannot stand all of the hype. It's insane.

I have too much integrity to sell people false dreams. That's why I stick to selling retail products. I stay away from IM products and lord knows I don't touch CPA at all.

How many times have you read a thread and noticed someone is asking a basic SEO question but you look in their signature file and their promoting "How To MMO" crap? I see it everytime I visit the Warrior Forum. I like money just like everyone else but I do not want to earn my money at the expense of exploiting others.

It's amazing what people will do/say to make money. I'm talking to about the marketers not the buyers.

Originally Posted by ktlasm

Ron,

I feel ya my man...lol. It's funny isn't it, but I've learned to simply shift my thinking from all the "BS" that exist to just "they will do anything" type of thinking...It's to energy draining for me to keep up with so much foolery when the capacity for me, us, you to do good. Keep rockin'

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Amitywill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron.

I can dig it. IM is almost making me sick to my stomach due in part to all of the sleezy sales pages.

IM is a great business but I cannot stand all of the hype. It's insane.

I have too much integrity to sell people false dreams. That's why I stick to selling retail products. I stay away from IM products and lord knows I don't touch CPA at all.

How many times have you read a thread and noticed someone is asking a basic SEO question but you look in their signature file and their promoting "How To MMO" crap? I see it everytime I visit the Warrior Forum. I like money just like everyone else but I do not want to earn my money at the expense of exploiting others.

It's amazing what people will do/say to make money. I'm talking to about the marketers not the buyers.

You and me both. I made it a rule for myself a few months ago to steer
clear of the IM niche. No longer do I promote anything in this overcrowded
market or even bother to check out the latest sales pages.

I'd much rather feel happy with myself promoting a good product in
a market that's not so overcrowded than preying on peoples dreams
and promoting the latest s**t that comes out from the IM crowd.

I don't think people realise that the IM niche is is relatively small
compared to other markets and there's 10 times more money to
be made elsewhere.

In regards to sig links and promoting stuff I personally think it would
be awesome if sig links were banned on this forum. People can sell
in the WSO section if they want to come here to sell.

I'm not saying everyone here with a sig link is a scammer because
a lot of the products are good. But I think if sig links were banned then
all of the unethical sellers who only joined to sell to us would be gone
and we'd be left with a great group of ethical marketers that are here
to just learn and share other good info.

Does anyone else agree or am I alone on this one?

Will

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alpacabob

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron.

I can dig it. IM is almost making me sick to my stomach due in part to all of the sleezy sales pages.

IM is a great business but I cannot stand all of the hype. It's insane.

I have too much integrity to sell people false dreams. That's why I stick to selling retail products. I stay away from IM products and lord knows I don't touch CPA at all.

Wow this is a refreshing thread. Self-marketers truly bother me. I receive at least 15 emails from some self-styled guru who claims to have the answer that will make you a millionaire living out your dreams on your private island in the Seychelles. They've spun their data to make themselves seem awesome and brilliant without breaking any laws. The secret is that they each have one primary product- themselves- their teaching is their means of monetizing themselves- so if you can winnow the chaff and learn something, great. If not, ignore those gurus.

Sorry- I don't want to just complain, but I think the title and the discussion it created is a great point. We all clicked on the thread, didn't we? I was curious if someone was making that claim and if there could possibly be some merit in what was being said. It's powerful, and even with the 98% chance it's crap, we'll still click on it- just in case.

In a similar case, I got an email telling me that somebody's students had made some stupidly large amount. But I did the math and it worked out to $374 per student over a year. Even assuming an uneven distribution and some students not even implementing the strategy, your island in the Seychelles is still pretty far off.

There- my two cents. And no- I didn't make 37k today- and I just tossed away two cents- probably more. Stupid, stupid...

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Sirago 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron.

I looked because I wanted to see the latest pile of BS someone was spreading.

But it still got your attention.
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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron.

I looked because I wanted to see the latest pile of BS someone was spreading.

No joke thats why I looked too.
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askloz 14 years ago

LMFAO, same here

Originally Posted by Ron.

I looked because I wanted to see the latest pile of BS someone was spreading.
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George Wright

14 years ago

I jumped in because I zap spammers at night. It's my job.

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ktlasm 14 years ago

George... C'mon man...You had to laugh a bit though...lol. Thanks for not zapping me, boss. : )
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  I did laugh. Didn't you see my and I didn't ZAP you I just jumped in the thread to ZAP a Spammer and when I saw it was you and what you were doing I Laughed. It's like sneaking downstairs to catch a burglar in the Kitchen only to find it's your kid getting a drink of water.
  
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  George... C'mon man...You had to laugh a bit though...lol. Thanks for not zapping me, boss. : )
  
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TheAtHomeCouple

14 years ago

lol... the funny thing is, I actually clicked on the headline because I'm methodical, and always click the first link when I log into WF each day. This so happened to be it.

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Michael Lewis

14 years ago

Wow! 37k is that even possible. What is up with all these gurus saying they make 100,000 a day. (some say that) And some are saying I make 10,000 a day. What do most IM make a day?

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Chris- 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jesseray

Wow! 37k is that even possible.

I've heard of people making 6 million a month from IM . . . I haven't seen the facts for myself firsthand, but it looked a lot more legitimate to me than most of the IM marketing I see . . . these people had video of themselves teaching at conferences where each person had paid 25k to attend . . . certainly looked legitimate to me, but who can tell? I see all these IM marketers with their "bank statement" images on their sales page and photos of big houses, fast cars etc., and realise that I could mock up all of that in a few minutes using photoshop, so who can really tell if ANY claim made by anyone is ever genuine, other than doing it yourself?

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JaniG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jesseray

Wow! 37k is that even possible. What is up with all these gurus saying they make 100,000 a day. (some say that) And some are saying I make 10,000 a day. What do most IM make a day?

Of course it is possible

if you did a simple product launch you could even make 10 or 20 times more then that

My friend George Brown just did over $100k in sales in one day

I also know people who made over $50k every day with CPA

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14 years ago

Hahahaha George you made my night

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milan

14 years ago

Kevin, so you haven't earned 37k today, now, that's crap (sorry to use your word in another context).

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Gavin Abeyratne

14 years ago

I remember reading once that "Rich Jerk" earned around 30k a day consistently after he ranked #1 in google for "credit repair" with a crappy little ebook.

I do get your point that headlines work

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Imran Naseem

Banned 14 years ago

As long as you focus on your own business model then I am sure you will love what you are making.

Too many people are focused on other "marketers" to see what they are making and then become really envious, then bitch on forums when they do not see results.

Every honest, ethical businessman is a hard worker and this is how you get results. YOU WORK, work and work until you see results.

There are many ways to make money - not just from Internet Marketing products.
You have the OFFLINE niche (which is growing at a rapid rate).

Then theres CPA (which is LUCRATIVE RIGHT NOW) people are actually making $10,000 a DAY!

Stick to one business model - and follow it.

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Emily Meeks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Imran Naseem

As long as you focus on your own business model then I am sure you will love what you are making.

Too many people are focused on other "marketers" to see what they are making and then become really envious, then bitch on forums when they do not see results.

Every honest, ethical businessman is a hard worker and this is how you get results. YOU WORK, work and work until you see results.

There are many ways to make money - not just from Internet Marketing products.
You have the OFFLINE niche (which is growing at a rapid rate).

Then theres CPA (which is LUCRATIVE RIGHT NOW) people are actually making $10,000 a DAY!

Stick to one business model - and follow it.

I second what Imran said. He's a really successful marketer who always has something useful to say, not to mention some great goodies in the War Room >

IM tends to go from being the hardest job in the world to the easiest. After awhile it just becomes a pattern of lather, rinse, repeat. In the beginning, the best advice I can give is to learn from your mistakes.

I know I have my share of failed attempts, but I came out with invaluable lessons from each one of them.

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Ron.

14 years ago

Big deal if someone is making $10,000 a day with CPA. Most of those products are ethically challenged.

I know guys that make 4 times that amount a day selling HEROIN. Does that mean I should go sell dope?

To me, selling online is about have integrity.

Whatever makes your boat float.

Ron

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As long as you focus on your own business model then I am sure you will love what you are making.

Too many people are focused on other "marketers" to see what they are making and then become really envious, then bitch on forums when they do not see results.

Every honest, ethical businessman is a hard worker and this is how you get results. YOU WORK, work and work until you see results.

There are many ways to make money - not just from Internet Marketing products.
You have the OFFLINE niche (which is growing at a rapid rate).

Then theres CPA (which is LUCRATIVE RIGHT NOW) people are actually making $10,000 a DAY!

Stick to one business model - and follow it.

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Steve Peters Benn

14 years ago

Imran speaks the truth. Dude are you in Manchester now - weren't you in London - have I missed something major??

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Imran Naseem Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn

Imran speaks the truth. Dude are you in Manchester now - weren't you in London - have I missed something major??

Who said I was in London?

Im in Lancashire - which is based near Manchester.

LOL@ London..

I stick to North West.
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TristanPerry

14 years ago

Only $37k?

Unlucky man.

I've earned $52,748 so far today.

Keep up at the back.

:p

</Sarcasm>

Anywhoo... I quite agree, a good thread.

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Kenster

14 years ago

Beat you Tristan....89k so far today and its only 9:20am where I am

Oh poop, its early and I read the numbers wrong...i've made 8.9k

haha just playin

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Susan Hope 14 years ago

Not sure that headline works the way you think it does, in this forum that is...

For instance, take me, I initially ignored it then I decided out of curiosity to come in and see what the other warriors had to say to challenge you or just plain boot your **** - so really I was having a break and I thought it would be amusing to view this thread.

Glad you were not serious and didn't get your **** kicked!

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  Whether you visited out of curiosity or not...You still visited, period. I appreciate all the feedback, and definitely the humor that's been shared within this thread. Some are waaaaaaay to serious on minor things, but I pay it no mind. Anyway, I'm glad majority of you got a some type of good from it.
  
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monitorit

14 years ago

you had me for a minute! I agree i always get sucked into headlines like that especially if they say easy.

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greff

14 years ago

"American(or where ever you're from) dream "

Like that line. I wonder what the Afghanistan Dream is?

Good post, Kevin.

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Imran Naseem Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by greff

"American(or where ever you're from) dream "

Like that line. I wonder what the Afghanistan Dream is?

Good post, Kevin.

Not sure what you meant there.

You might want to rephrase your post..
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SteveJohnson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by greff

"American(or where ever you're from) dream "

Like that line. I wonder what the Afghanistan Dream is?

Good post, Kevin.

Poppies...
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Star Riley

14 years ago

So exactely how do you make 37k?

If u could coach me I would be willing to pay you $37k today as well since i would make my money back tomorrow could I write you a post dated check for tomorrow?

please respond I'm in desperate need to pay my mortgage I took out to invest in IM courses this year.

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misterwrecker

14 years ago

I clicked in because I figured you closed a big business deal. Maybe a 3 or 5 year contract for web design and ongoing SEO for a large corporation.

It is not impossible to make that amount of money and much more in the business world. I don't feel like a sucker for clicking this link......lol

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Christophe Young

14 years ago

Damn it, I fell for the subject line and now I've been duped!

It's at the point now where I skip threads with subject lines like: "How I lost 20 lbs, got three massages and made $120k in three seconds."

That's the problem with the internet.... NO ACCOUNTABILITY. Anyone can say whatever they want. Although, hopefully the FTC is about to change that.

Now I'm curious to see if my "Damn" will be virtually beeped.

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carltonriddick

14 years ago

This post proves a point that your headline/email subject should grab the attention of the viewer. That is why you see headlines like this all the time. You can do this with legit offers. Just emphasize the big benefit of the product or offer.

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brchap

14 years ago

Granted, I may not know as much as many of you... but, I certainly believe that 37k (or more) is possible in a single day. Although... making it every day is probably a lot tougher.

I've heard stories from Internet Marketers (in my offline mastermind group) who have made this much in a day. Basically, they use the "product launch" angle.

Here's what they told me:

Step 1: They create an over-the-top-great product (imagine an amazing PLR package, complete with keywords, video coaching, autoreponders, adword templates, etc).
Step 2: They leverage their pre-built list, and the lists of other JV partners to get everyone frothing at the mouth for the product release date.
Step 3: They tell everyone that to limit competition, the product is limited to only 37.
Step 4: Then, they build up excitement a bit more... get them really going (you know that you've hit it when people start trying to preorder, sending their credit card numbers via e-mail, without asking you how much it costs)
Step 5: Then, you finally announce that the product is available, for the low price of only $999

Okay, so I'm only paraphrasing what I've heard. Although I haven't tried it myself, I took it as the truth since I wasn't being asked to buy anything. The offline group that I meet with every 3 months is just there to share ideas and provide each other with encouragement and support... so, I don't have any reason not to believe that a few of my fellow members have made large sums of money this way.

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14 years ago

I feel like I opened a email in my inbox....spam headline ...

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Texas_Guns

14 years ago

I clicked because I've had a few $37K+
days and I wanted to see if you were
using any of the methods I've used to
do it.

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14 years ago

I clicked thinking "oh no, this guy figured out my master plan and is now spreading it"

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ktlasm

14 years ago

Hey folks...I see a lot of post referring to whether or not you believe it's possible to earn that kind of dough in a day....That's soooooo not the point...Sure you can earn that in a day...that's not the question. This thread was strictly for the purpose what was written...entertainment. : )

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tschlotter

14 years ago

That was such a cool strategy to use on this forum especially.

I clicked on your link just to see what kind of BS someone was trying to sell and to see how many people were making fun of it, as I'm sure many others did as well.

Did you end up getting twitter followers? I'm betting you did!

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Daniel E Taylor

14 years ago

For everyone saying "I wanted to see this BS and lies" only shows
your mentality for whats possible and is a big reason why many of
you fail to make any real money with your business.

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ktlasm 14 years ago

Daniel,

Interesting, boss...Do say more on that...Probably one of the most interesting points raised. I like it. : )
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ktlasm 14 years ago

My friend, heck I don't know if I got any twitter followers from this...I didn't even check...I just realized why you would say that, but realized what's in my sig line...lol. I've always come here to simply vibe, and learn from good folks...and be entertained per se. I do wonder sometimes as to how in the world people stay glued to forums and still earn dough...lol. Just my curiosity though. Peace and thanks again.
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

For everyone saying "I wanted to see this BS and lies" only shows
your mentality for whats possible and is a big reason why many of
you fail to make any real money with your business.

Think about that.

Malarkey. $37,000 in a day is not where most people live. Statistically it SHOULD provoke healthy skepticism. Its $13.5 million dollars a year and by the time you are making that in IM you are already known pretty well.

Even though I am relatively new to these boards my first product/application is closing at about 8% from my sales page So I am making money with a great product and no hype copy. That and the application has a few glitches and will only get better. Good thing is my no hype copy fits in perfectly with the new FTC rules as well. Go figure.

The problem I see with this style copy is that people concentrate so much on getting this border line lying sizzle into their copy that they don't work hard enough to create a great product. They race through a product or choosing an affiliate product and figure they will gloss over its weakness with a flashy headline and sales copy.

I think there ought to be a little bit more restraint in copy and by copywriters. Maybe there should be a new career position in IM. Product critique/copywriter. If a product is no good I can't be bothered promoting it or writing good copy for it. If its all hype its like drinking out of a Pepsi bottle (that we had more of back in the day) after the Pepsi's done.

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Daniel E Taylor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Malarkey. $37,000 in a day is not where most people live. Statistically it SHOULD provoke healthy skepticism. Its $13.5 million dollars a year and by the time you are making that in IM you are already known pretty well.

He didn't say $37k per day. He said $37k in a day. Which is not much
for a nice product launch.

Funny cuz that's where my mind went.

And no if you make $13mil a year doesn't mean you're "well known".

Most marketers who make the real money online you've never
even heard of.

Internet marketing goes far beyond John Reese, Frank Kern, and
how to make money online.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Fine he didn't say per day but he said today alone implying a continuance not just a one day aberration. Its still statistically not within the average or even slightly above average. Its still considered a nice haul . The mathematics on that are clear and indisputable so theres no reason whatsoever to cast a judgment on anyone with healthy skepticism. Doesn't make sense.

No one was claiming that is is impossible in a day to create that (and more) but again you will read such things more often than not and they are hype. Whats more the whole point of this post was exactly that so in this case those with some skepticism were right.

Nothing wrong with skepticism. It can protect you as long as you are willing to throw it aside when the facts and the opportunity are right.

Most marketers who make the real money online you've never
even heard of.

Granted as long as they are not selling here. Another reason for my skepticism. I'd be finding all kinds of other things to do to celebrate than posting it on a forum but thats just me perhaps.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

He didn't say $37k per day. He said $37k in a day. Which is not much
for a nice product launch.

Funny cuz that's where my mind went.

And no if you make $13mil a year doesn't mean you're "well known".

Most marketers who make the real money online you've never
even heard of.

Internet marketing goes far beyond John Reese, Frank Kern, and
how to make money online.

Daniel

10-4! I agree and well said Daniel. When I first read the headline, I thought, maybe some b-lister (no offense) I never heard of had a great day. John Reese had a million-dollar day a couple years back so $37k in a day really isn't that huge in the big picture.

Shaq makes over $200k every time he steps on the basketball court (which is absolutely ridiculous in it's own right) and he plays at least 82 games a year. Do the math.

Jim Carrey and Tom Cruise make at least $20 million per motion picture. Ridiculous. Their on location for a couple months filming a movie, then maybe a month of promo work hitting all the talk shows hyping the movie. I don't care how you slice it, $20 mil for 3 mos of work for a movie is paranormal.

But I digress...

Granted none of these people are in IM, but nonetheless, it's the number that got my attention in the headline. The curiosity factor I suppose from a "no-name" (again, no offense).

Am I guilty, sure.

But if I learned something new, even a smidgen, from some no name (no offense) who figured out the IM Rubik's Cube, I'll high-five myself.

Cheers \_/
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IMBT

14 years ago

At least you didn't say ...you did it in your underwear at the kitchen table..lol

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Raydal

14 years ago

This is not so big to be unbelievable. People have made
over $1 million in a day online so why should I think this is a
lie?

Ever read the story of the boy who called wolf?

-Ray Edwards

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

This is not so big to be unbelievable. People have made
over $1 million in a day online so why should I think this is a
lie?

Ever read the story of the boy who called wolf?

-Ray Edwards

Hey Ray,

I don't know if anyone thinks its unbelievable that it can happen but like the poster stated a lot of the time you get these kinds of headlines and they are written by people who are just putting out hype. So yeah there is skepticism - and there should be until theres something that says its not hype.

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Red Dragon

14 years ago

I cannot even count the money that I have lost in the last few minutes reading this thread.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Red Dragon

I cannot even count the money that I have lost in the last few minutes reading this thread.

Because you can't actually count to zero if you think about it
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- ktlasm 14 years ago
  
  Hmmmm, lots and lots of interesting points made by you guys... My friend who referred to me as a "no name"...lol. That's funny, and I totally understand what you meant. But like many marketers out there who've earned very well yet aren't in the spotlight. I'll just say I joined that crowd a few years back. I'm not a million dollar launch dude or anything like that, but it's definitely beyond what most will ever reach in the IM sector. In fact, the more "behind the scenes" type of projects I engage in I find out about guys who's numbers make my head spin, and actually despise being a poster boy for the IM world. I truly dig that approach, but also have enormous respect for those well known marketers who crush it and reeeeeally help folks. So, I hope this thread helped you whether trivial or profound.
  
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wordwizard 14 years ago

Well, my thoughts were, like someone said above, maybe you got a big contract or something. Good for you. Or who knows, maybe a product launch.

Since this wasn't a WSO, and so it was unlikely that there'd be something to buy, I figured I'll check it out.

So it was a joke. Better than trying to get us to believe we could duplicate this and then not delivering in the product ;-)
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winebuddy

14 years ago

I made $1200 yesterday doing a seminar and then selling PLR content at the end.

Now if I can just figure out how to do it 37 times in one day!

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Jason_V 14 years ago

Originally Posted by winebuddy

I made $1200 yesterday doing a seminar and then selling PLR content at the end.

Now if I can just figure out how to do it 37 times in one day!

That's easy, you hire 36 sales people to work on commission in major cities. You give them the sales material and the presentation.

You get the sales, they get the commission. Everyone's happy.

Voila,

Problem solved.
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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ktlasm

Hmmmm, you see...I got ya didn't I...?

Mostly because I recognised the name and found it unlikely you'd had this kind of success this quickly. Which meant one of two things:

1. You found something really great.
2. You're lying.

And sure enough, it was (2).

For those who say you can't do 37K in a day, I have to say: depends on what you bring to the table. I ran a software development company for several years. I walked into a guy's office one morning with a team of twelve developers. I sat them down around his conference table, threw a diagram of the project he wanted done onto the projector, and told him to ask whatever questions he wanted. Then I left.

When I came back an hour later, he gave me a big fat check. I put a lot more than $37k in my pocket that day, and the project ran for two years with several more big fat checks passed in my direction. Sure, most of those checks ended up being spent on payroll, but what difference does that make? You spend $20 on PPC and get a $17 commission, you don't come running in and say "I just lost $3!" do you?

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CDarkLock,

Sure enough my man...That's a lie...If I were projecting it as truth, but as you read that the furthest thing from what I was doing. Anyway, I definitely appreciate the post, boss...As far as "this quickly"...You're wrong on that one, bro. It's been a little over 5 years, but I get what you meant. Ciao!
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  Originally Posted by ktlasm
  
  As far as "this quickly"...You're wrong on that one, bro. It's been a little over 5 years, but I get what you meant.
  
  That's still quickly. It takes an average of ten years and five major failures.
  
  I've got more than twice the ten years, but haven't had the whole five failures yet. I keep trying though! Sooner or later, I'll screw something up real good!
  
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Greg guitar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Sure, most of those checks ended up being spent on payroll, but what difference does that make? You spend $20 on PPC and get a $17 commission, you don't come running in and say "I just lost $3!" do you?

It makes a huge difference! It's the difference between living the life of a bank's employees who handle a ton of money, and the bank's big stockholders who rake in actual profits from those loans. What matters is how much money you get to keep, not how much you got to handle before paying the costs of doing business.

This is a pet peeve of mine actually. A million headlines scream: "I made [blank amout] in a [day, week, or...]!" to sell suckers on their business model, when they mean "I grossed..." which is entirely different, in my book.

It could be argued that technically they aren't lying, since they "made" it in gross sales, but it's highly misleading. It's less so when they say "I made a mil in sales", but still lacking in integrity if their copy emphasises the big number, and never divulges the cost of getting it.

So yes, if I spent $20 to make $17, I would say, "I lost $3". I might not "come running in" to say it, but if the subject came up, it's exactly what I'd say. It's the truth.

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MichelledGrace

14 years ago

Why does people deny the fact that they were attracted by the headline?

"I was just curious..."

"I just wanted to see what BS you were spreading..."

"I knew you were a spammer, so I came to send you an infraction..."

"Headlines don't work..."

Oh yeah? Think again.

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Ron.

14 years ago

Maybe some of us actually knew it was BS.

MOST people would not boast about having done those numbers.

Originally Posted by MichelledGrace

Why does people deny the fact that they were attracted by the headline?

"I was just curious..."

"I just wanted to see what BS you were spreading..."

"I knew you were a spammer, so I came to send you an infraction..."

"Headlines don't work..."

Oh yeah? Think again.

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MichelledGrace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron.

Maybe some of us actually knew it was BS.

MOST people would not boast about having done those numbers.

Well maybe that's just you.

Out of so many threads and titles, you chose to view this one.

Oh yeah, and what did you expect from a supposed-BS thread? Nothing, but you were nonetheless attracted to CLICK on it.

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Ron.

14 years ago

I am not trying to convince you as to why I clicked on the thread. Whether or not you believe me is none of my concern.

Originally Posted by MichelledGrace

Well maybe that's just you.

Out of so many threads and titles, you chose to view this one.

Oh yeah, and what did you expect from a supposed-BS thread? Nothing, but you were nonetheless attracted to CLICK on it.

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14 years ago

Michelle,

Finally, right...!...lol. People are people though, so I let it be...lol.

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Vadym

14 years ago

Ask any copywriter what the point of a headline is.

And close this stupid thread.

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MichelledGrace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Vadym

Ask any copywriter what the point of a headline is.

And close this stupid thread.

I'm not a copywriter, but I believe the point of the headline is to catch attention.

Didn't the headline caught your attention?

And how is this stupid? I don't see how a thread proving the effectiveness of a headline is stupid.

Originally Posted by Ron.

I am not trying to convince you as to why I clicked on the thread. Whether or not you believe me is none of my concern.

Yes, of course.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichelledGrace

I'm not a copywriter, but I believe the point of the headline is to catch attention.

Didn't the headline caught your attention?

Actually the point of this thread if I read right was to show how ridiculous those kinds of headlines are. Its a common error I see trumpeted by even some copywriters here. The purpose of a good headline is NOT to catch attention its to set the stage for a sale. In other words yes you hold attention but you do it by peaking the interest in your product.

Take this Headline

If You Keep Reading this Nude Pictures Will Appear.

Sure it will hold attention but if you can't deliver or if it has nothing to do with your product then its not good at all. Copy isnt judged by how many people read through but by how many people buy.

When you make these Hokie "I made $12000 in 2 hours and you can do that this week" you get the greed and laziness in all of us but if your copy after the headline doesn't mesh with your headline and convince people you can deliver then theres no point.

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MichelledGrace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Actually the point of this thread if I read right was to show how ridiculous those kinds of headlines are. Its a common error I see trumpeted by even some copywriters here. The purpose of a good headline is NOT to catch attention its to set the stage for a sale. In other words yes you hold attention but you do it by peaking the interest in your product.

Take this Headline

If You Keep Reading this Nude Pictures Will Appear.

Sure it will hold attention but if you can't deliver or if it has nothing to do with your product then its not good at all. Copy isnt judged by how many people read through but by how many people buy.

When you make these Hokie "I made $12000 in 2 hours and you can do that this week" you get the greed and laziness in all of us but if your copy after the headline doesn't mesh with your headline and convince people you can deliver then theres no point.

Now this is a much better reply, as you really do make a point(refer "bold").

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

If You Keep Reading this Nude Pictures Will Appear.

Sure it will hold attention but if you can't deliver or if it has nothing to do with your product then its not good at all. Copy isnt judged by how many people read through but by how many people buy.

When you make these Hokie "I made $12000 in 2 hours and you can do that this week" you get the greed and laziness in all of us but if your copy after the headline doesn't mesh with your headline and convince people you can deliver then theres no point.

Hey how long do you have to stare before the pictures appear? My vision is getting blurry, and still no pictures. I don't want to give up though. Maybe you could write a $7 report on how to develop the ability to see the pictures?

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg guitar

Hey how long do you have to stare before the pictures appear? My vision is getting blurry, and still no pictures.

My Son,

If you seek true enlightment you must look beyond the obvious and find true meaning. Read the headline again

Did you take and keep off your clothes?

Then I am not responsible.
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Vadym

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MichelledGrace

I'm not a copywriter, but I believe the point of the headline is to catch attention.

Didn't the headline caught your attention?

And how is this stupid? I don't see how a thread proving the effectiveness of a headline is stupid.

Yes, of course.

Exactly. The point of a head line IS to catch attention.

And from what I saw in the first 8-10 posts (I didn't bother reading any further) is whining about unethical marketing, how Bambi's mother spent their welfare check on a "get rich quick" home course, and how bad and sad all of this is. Oh, and how much people dislike hype. Boo hoo.

Moral marketing is applauded, sure, but if you're here to do good for the world, go teach the 4th grade. You've got no business in being a marketer.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Vadym

Moral marketing is applauded, sure, but if you're here to do good for the world, go teach the 4th grade. You've got no business in being a marketer.

Once again

Pure Malarkey.

You read alot of this tough guy, allegedly worldy wise,, show me the money cry in IM. People who are out to help people and be real make better products, build better reputations, stay on the right side of the law and do just fine in IM.

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Vadym

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Once again

Pure Malarkey.

You read alot of this tough guy, allegedly worldy wise,, show me the money cry in IM. People who are out to help people and be real make better products, build better reputations, stay on the right side of the law and do just fine in IM.

"Magic tricks don't work if everyone knows the secrets so how can your backlinks be powerful when everyone and his dog is using and abusing them??"

This is an example of a headline which does suck, and will make a person leave without a second thought.

Now, if Mike Anthony decided to "hype up" his headline a little bit, it could, potentially, increase his conversions ALONE, just because it'll actually interest people to continue reading past it.

Yes, boo hoo, it's very hypey and immoral, but it works, and for good reason.

Go find me a single guru who does earn a lot of money, and show me his sales letter which doesn't hype the crap out of any of his products.

PS - I'm not saying I don't believe in moral marketing, like I said, it's applauded, and for your reference, one of my sites [helpingaffiliate.com] gives away for information for free than you've probably sold yet, but I do believe people should be realistic. And realistically, "immoral, hypey headlines" are what's going to earn the bread.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Vadym

"Magic tricks don't work if everyone knows the secrets so how can your backlinks be powerful when everyone and his dog is using and abusing them??"

This is an example of a headline which does suck, and will make a person leave without a second thought.

Perfect example of amatuer copywriting observations. This copy is converting in my target market at 8% (most experienced copywriters will tell you thats pretty good). In fact I considered changing it but in tests it converted too well.

Why? Because it speaks directly to the number one problem people have had with backlink lists. The links get overused, abused and removed. The unique selling point of this product is that it caps the amount of people using those backlinks and has built in tracking protection to identify and remove spammers from the program. Whenever possible you should consider getting your USP into the headline. Not a hard and fast rule but something to consider.

Now of course this product itself also defies your idea of IM because it IS a product that caps its profit margin for the good of the customer. That concept blows your mind and of course you would consider foolish. Much of IM marketing is all about maximizing the profit margin regardless of what it does to the effectiveness of the product itself. I'll only take a maximum 299 people into the program and they are the only ones that will access those backlinks through my system. Why? Shocker....because thats of benefit to my customers who I want to help.

So you see thats the NUMBER ONE key in copywriting. Know your market. Know your target. Know your product. Don't assume some cookie cutter mentality approach.

Then you go and WRITE COPY THAT CONVERTS YOUR TARGET MARKET. I've actually received emails PRAISING the copy from my customers. So you see what is of no interest to you is of interest to others. You are not my target market. My target market are people who have seen their backlinks removed or who don't like their backlink sites being abused. Thats all there is to it.

Go find me a single guru who does earn a lot of money, and show me his sales letter which doesn't hype the crap out of any of his products.

There you go . Thats the the mentality. News flash. Copy has been written for years in Direct marketing and some of the greatest campaigns that have made million of dollars were fresh, witty, to the point and low on hype. You like alot of people are just guru copy cats. Frank Kern does something you run to copy it without Kern's style, personality and background - and then you wonder why it doesn't work. Worse some people don't even realize that you can't possibly succeed since the market only wants so many Kern copycats.

And realistically, "immoral, hypey headlines" are what's going to earn the bread.

Obviously right? Thats why so many people fail at IM. Because rather than develop a system that works for their product or service they are too busy trying to copy someone elses path to success. Look around. Trillions of dollars of product and services that fuel our economy are not based on "You can make $24,000 in the next 72 hours." The point is a weak one and since its not real in that it doesn't look at the wider real world it isn't realistic at all..

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Vadym

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Perfect example of amatuer copywriting observations. This copy is converting in my target market at 8% (most experienced copywriters will tell you thats pretty good). In fact I considered changing it but in tests it converted too well.

Why? Because it speaks directly to the number one problem people have had with backlink lists. The links get overused, abused and removed. The unique selling point of this product is that it caps the amount of people using those backlinks and has built in tracking protection to identify and remove spammers from the program. Whenever possible you should consider getting your USP into the headline. Not a hard and fast rule but something to consider.

Now of course this product itself also defies your idea of IM because it IS a product that caps its profit margin for the good of the customer. That concept blows your mind and of course you would consider foolish. Much of IM marketing is all about maximizing the profit margin regardless of what it does to the effectiveness of the product itself. I'll only take a maximum 299 people into the program and they are the only ones that will access those backlinks through my system. Why? Shocker....because thats of benefit to my customers who I want to help.

So you see thats the NUMBER ONE key in copywriting. Know your market. Know your target. Know your product. Don't assume some cookie cutter mentality approach.

Then you go and WRITE COPY THAT CONVERTS YOUR TARGET MARKET. I've actually received emails PRAISING the copy from my customers. So you see what is of no interest to you is of interest to others. You are not my target market. My target market are people who have seen their backlinks removed or who don't like their backlink sites being abused. Thats all there is to it.

There you go . Thats the the mentality. News flash. Copy has been written for years in Direct marketing and some of the greatest campaigns that have made million of dollars were fresh, witty, to the point and low on hype. You like alot of people are just guru copy cats. Frank Kern does something you run to copy it without Kern's style, personality and background - and then you wonder why it doesn't work. Worse some people don't even realize that you can't possibly succeed since the market only wants so many Kern copycats.

Obviously right? Thats why so many people fail at IM. Because rather than develop a system that works for their product or service they are too busy trying to copy someone elses path to success. Look around. Trillions of dollars of product and services that fuel our economy are not based on "You can make $24,000 in the next 72 hours." The point is a weak one and since its not real in that it doesn't look at the wider real world it isn't realistic at all..

I highly, highly doubt that converts at 8%. But hey, it's not like you can show me stats, so that point's dead.

And it sounds like you haven't found me a single product to prove your point. Oh, and every single seasoned copywriter does preach the "don't fix if it ain't broke", which is why we do keep swipe files for headlines, bullets, etc, etc, etc. No, copying copy that worked won't necessarily convert just as well, but if you study the structure of the copy, it'll work. I don't actually know anyone who just copies copy, since it seems like a stupid thing to do, but I guess you do know 'em.

Oh, and no, Internet marketing is not a "trillions per year" industry. I don't know where you found that fact, but it's not. And 95% of the newest "Google Sniper" [No offense to that product directly, it's the most recent magic money product I remember] products do prey on people who want big money quickly.

Which brings me back to the first immoral point. Immoral marketers are everywhere, and make a majority of the money.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Vadym

I highly, highly doubt that converts at 8%. But hey, it's not like you can show me stats, so that point's dead.

Don't care what you believe or don't. If you are skeptical and don't know what or who is my target market it proves conclusively you don't know what you are talking about anyway. You can't possibly assess viable closing rates with a given piece of copy unless you know the target.

Which brings me back to the first immoral point. Immoral marketers are everywhere, and make a majority of the money.

To ignore that is to shoot yourself in the foot.

Well go sell drugs. bogus cancer cures, or become a pimp all of which make money too. With that way of thinking then you are shooting yourself in the foot by not pursuing those options.

And while you are at it go look up the new FTC rules for copy before you advise people about putting immoral hype into their copy. The days of the flim flam borderline scam copy are done unless you want to always be looking over your shoulder for the guys with jackets to show up at your office.

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Vadym

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Well go sell drugs. bogus cancer cures, or become a pimp all of which make money too. With that way of thinking then you are shooting yourself in the foot by not pursuing those options.

And while you are at it go look up the new FTC rules for copy before you advise people about putting immoral hype into their copy. The days of the flim flam borderline scam copy are done unless you want to always be looking over your shoulder for the guys with jackets to show up at your office.

Been nice talking to you. Don't think I need anymore back and forth.

Lol, what are you talking about? When did we go to selling drugs?

And FTC is for US marketers only. Before you tell people what to read, and why, you should learn a little about CPA marketing. It'll teach you an awful lot as to why the FTC has done what they have.

And CPA marketing, you're right, was way over the line. I mean, the kind of **** some of these companies were pulling were actually scamming people.

I personally don't think immoral marketing is the same as scamming people, but hey, I have different definitions for the two myself.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

I won't comment on your other stuff because like I said I don't need anymore back and forth and you don't really read well (case in point I never said trilions of dollars were in IM. I said the exact opposite.)

However you make such erroneous posts that if people followed you they would be negatively impacted so I have to comment. Like this

Originally Posted by Vadym

And FTC is for US marketers only.

Completely and absolutely the kind of nonsense that alot of people who don't think have been trumpeting here on WF. Paypal (and a whole lot of US based payment processors) is US based and can shut your account down for violating US Law. Clickbank I think is also US based and the FTC can shut them off from selling items that violate US law. Add to that a number of affiliate networks and even Google adwords etc.

So go ahead and think that you can operate on the fringe of the law by being outside of the US. Its not likely you would be arrested true but theres every reason to believe your ability to do business online in any meaningful way would be yanked at any time.

FTC rules do not just impact US marketers. Wrong again.
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14 years ago

I like that you got me a beauty--

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jimmyab

14 years ago

Hey Kevin
Yes you got me, just had to click - and like the point. Pretty big claim you were making so had to have a peek! It's good though when you do find something that does what it was claimed to do though huh!

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Christian Fox

14 years ago

Ha you got me I admit....

Some make that, and much more....

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Shane Hale

14 years ago

Very nice post KTslam! Keeping it real as always bro!

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2very

14 years ago

Your headline did drag a lot of people in though,
and generated a lot of comments as well, and that was just the headline.
Imagine if you had a real story and a product to sell,
how much money you could have made.

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kirbymurphy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ktlasm

Hmmmm, you see...I got ya didn't I...? Yup, admit it...lol. My point being is that it seems as though that kind of crap(headline) is what most people buy into thinking it's the holy grail to IM. I know, I know..."Kevin, you've got to have a compelling headline"...Yes, I concur 100% with that. The killer is, is that in recent months I've seen such silly headlines that come across even cheesier than the one that got you to click on this thread....

I knew it was joke bait when I read the Judy Garlandesque "My Goodness" in the subject.

Yet I too am amazed at the ridiculous phrases I see all around the biz. I seem to have the need to write in an opposite fashion. When I write copy I avoid the glorious and flowery terms and probably a few of the less glamorous ones I should include more often.

I suppose I've been over-sensitized by the senseless copy we get exposed to on a daily basis.

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ktlasm 14 years ago

Kirby,

You had me laughing with the "Judy Garlandesque" ....lol...That's a good one...!
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Willie Crawford

14 years ago

Well, I clicked the link because I wanted to see how you did
it Unlike many others who've responded, I not only believe
that that level of income is possible... but I know people who
have those type of day.

An example is the young lady the I inteviewed in this pdf
transcript:
http://theinternetmarketinginnercirc...Consulting.pdf

She made $50,000 from her first consulting client. Of course
she is not typical. She's a real go-getter, and she had
experience in the industry that her client was from.

My point though is that while I encourage skepticism, don't
let it rule out the possibilities.

Yes, many of the headlines that we read are BS, but there
are people who have those type of days. They usually spent
a lot of time building it to them, but it DOES happen.

Willie

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Christian Fox

14 years ago

Make More Money Than Paris Hilton

On A submarine Tour

Make More Money Than A Crack
Dealer In Compton

I have seen these used before, kinda funny but I suppose they could work..

Find a super catchy headline but then actually over deliver on it...
That is the hard part if you use headlines like that because of the yeah right factor... People will call your bluff and then you look like a clown.

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ktlasm 14 years ago

Ummm Bryan, as the saying goes...Don't shoot a cannon at a rabbit, my friend. To much cynicism for a mere point brought up in at "IM forum"...But, to each his own...lol. Ciao!
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- Wealthyclark 14 years ago
  
  As far As I see this problem goes a lot further than the internet. I see infomercials and even day time commercials claim all sorts of things everyday. I thought false advertisements were illegal but I guess there are loopholes for everything or at least everyone that has big money or a big money name backing them up.
  
  I also dislike this sort of thing but why aren't we complaining about the supposedly legit companies that use these type of advertisement methods everyday and have been for years.
  
  I have paid for many offline products that didn't live up to it's claims and I'm sure most of you have too. So why are we picking on the little guy that may or may not even be making a dime when their are very very big fish in the world you can attempt to fry.
  
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ktlasm 14 years ago

I'm following you in a few secs dude...lol. Let's rock!
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David Brown

14 years ago

37K in a day....no problem!

Pick an high end product for $2000+ paying 50% commissions or more and sell 37.

EASY..............right? :-)

Seriously though....look how many views and replies this thread has generated.
I am sure if there was an opt in form offering a free report how it was possible, then Ktlasm would have quite a few new subscribers..........thanks Ktlasm, I am off setting up my new opt in campaign..............LOL

All in all you made a very good point, and the most of us clicked through because we where curious (for whatever reason).

nice one

Dave

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AdenWhite

12 years ago

Does go to show that headlines really are the hook that reals em in though, don't it?

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