Does Article Spinning Work?

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Does anyone of you use article spinning?

I've been thinking about using article spinning, but don't know if it works?

Does for example EZA allow articles that has been "spinned"?

Do you have any recommendations of article spinning softwares that work?
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  • Profile picture of the author UBotBuddy
    No EZA would probably drive to your house and well you get the point.

    Yes, spinning does work. Provided you do it right and not the lazy way.

    The right way is using enough paragraph and sentence replacements and throughly test to make sure the para/sentence transitions stay smooth.

    The lazy way is just adding word replacements with a bunch of synonyms and pressing the button.

    The idea is that you do not want the reader to pick up on the article being a spun version.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
      Originally Posted by SiteBlaster View Post

      No EZA would probably drive to your house and well you get the point.

      Yes, spinning does work. Provided you do it right and not the lazy way.

      The right way is using enough paragraph and sentence replacements and throughly test to make sure the para/sentence transitions stay smooth.

      The lazy way is just adding word replacements with a bunch of synonyms and pressing the button.

      The idea is that you do not want the reader to pick up on the article being a spun version.
      Yes, that's completely correct. In fact, once you really get into spinning you'll stop using single word synonyms.

      The real power is in randomly assigned and interchanged sentence/phrase blocks (with data merge) , but there are very few services that support the output of the few advanced spinners that use them.

      When I use spun content for article/3rd party website submission I have each sentence of a unique article rewritten 2-3 times, nothing else. There is a significant impact in link juice / rankings compared to submitting the same article to multiple locations, and the articles are excellent quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    It depends on what you mean when you say, "does it work?" It works for getting the desired keywords in, which may or may not help your ranking depending on the saturation in the niche. It certainly works for getting links.

    Where it falls way short is in readability. In my opinion a spun article can be spotted a mile away. There is a sacrifice of the flow and meter of a spun article in most cases. For the most part, when you spin an article you're creating copy for software rather than people. If you actually want people to understand your products and services you're not doing yourself any favors publishing spun articles.

    Scott above says that he has each sentence re-written two to three times for each spun article. To me that's way more work than just writing a new one. I've never used article spinning software but I've read plenty of accounts of people here who have and most say that after they spin an article they need to go through and edit it for clarity. So again, you're talking up more time.

    I think spinning articles appeals to people who don't trust their own ability to write. And let's face it, spinning also appeals to people who are just plain lazy and looking for the easy out. I'm not saying either is true in your case, but it would be hard to deny that it is true in some cases.

    As for EZA, I received their newsletter a couple of days ago and Chris flat out said that they would be rejecting 'derivative' articles. That's a nice word for spun stuff. He also said that the majority of 'problem' and rejected articles were of the lower word count variety and that they'll be looking more favorably at longer articles. These new policies should greatly improve the quality of what they'll be accepting in the future. They should have done it long ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Scott above says that he has each sentence re-written two to three times for each spun article. To me that's way more work than just writing a new one. I've never used article spinning software but I've read plenty of accounts of people here who have and most say that after they spin an article they need to go through and edit it for clarity. So again, you're talking up more time.
      I'm not talking about spinning the same article for one directory... I'm talking about submitting a seed article to 100s to 1000s of article sites and blogs.

      Let me give an example of how this works.

      The lazy way to spin:

      The {dog|cat|pet} crossed the {road|street}. {He|The animal} then ate {some|a little bit of} food. {Now|Currently} he's over there.

      The right way to spin (there's a better way - you can split up sentences into phrases which is more work, but more uniqueness):

      {The dog crossed the road|Yesterday, I saw a dog cross the street|It was interesting to see my dog Ruff on the other side of the street}. {He then at some food|I think he was hungry because he was eating something|He had a big appetite with some food in his mouth}. {Now he's over there|He's on the other side of the street now|Whoa, I think he just moved across the street}.

      The above will generate 3x3x3 = 27 unique paragraphs... that's just three sentences. Add another paragraph of 3 sentences and you're at 3x3x3x3x3x3 = 729

      A 350 word article will have around 6-8 paragraphs... we're talking 100,000s of unique versions.

      The sentences all mean relatively the same thing, so they are interchangeable and the article doesn't suffer loss of quality.

      More work? Not really...not even close to writing 100s of unique articles yourself. You're really writing 3-4 unique articles in one, which will generate 100s to 1000s of unique versions that will get indexed, ranked, and link juice attributed.

      Anyway, spinning is not for everyone, but it works if done correctly.
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

        I'm not talking about spinning the same article for one directory... I'm talking about submitting a seed article to 100s to 1000s of article sites and blogs.

        Let me give an example of how this works.

        The lazy way to spin:

        The {dog|cat|pet} crossed the {road|street}. {He|The animal} then ate {some|a little bit of} food. {Now|Currently} he's over there.

        The right way to spin (there's a better way - you can split up sentences into phrases which is more work, but more uniqueness):

        {The dog crossed the road|Yesterday, I saw a dog cross the street|It was interesting to see my dog Ruff on the other side of the street}. {He then at some food|I think he was hungry because he was eating something|He had a big appetite with some food in his mouth}. {Now he's over there|He's on the other side of the street now|Whoa, I think he just moved across the street}.

        The above will generate 3x3x3 = 27 unique paragraphs... that's just three sentences. Add another paragraph of 3 sentences and you're at 3x3x3x3x3x3 = 729

        A 350 word article will have around 6-8 paragraphs... we're talking 100,000s of unique versions.

        The sentences all mean relatively the same thing, so they are interchangeable and the article doesn't suffer loss of quality.

        More work? Not really...not even close to writing 100s of unique articles yourself. You're really writing 3-4 unique articles in one, which will generate 100s to 1000s of unique versions that will get indexed, ranked, and link juice attributed.

        Anyway, spinning is not for everyone, but it works if done correctly.
        Completely agree, this is how article spinning should be done, though for an extra effect, you can do SOME synonym spinning as well. Makes each copy almost unique.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post


      Where it falls way short is in readability. In my opinion a spun article can be spotted a mile away. There is a sacrifice of the flow and meter of a spun article in most cases. For the most part, when you spin an article you're creating copy for software rather than people. If you actually want people to understand your products and services you're not doing yourself any favors publishing spun articles.
      You just have no idea how wrong you really are.. Sorry I have already proved on this very forum you could not tell the difference between a spun article and the original. Now sure if you use a junk tool and use it wrong then you will get junk.

      Also spun articles have way more uses than just submitting them to article directories.. I have posted many times on here about the uses. It's called repurpose your articles for other formats.

      Spinning has been going on for years and way before the internet even came along. Even major publications spin their content.

      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I think spinning articles appeals to people who don't trust their own ability to write. And let's face it, spinning also appeals to people who are just plain lazy and looking for the easy out. I'm not saying either is true in your case, but it would be hard to deny that it is true in some cases.
      Again, wrong.. Has nothing to do with that, It has to do with working smart... Obviously you just have no idea how to spin an article or the many uses it has.

      Use the proper tools and spin it properly you will never know it was spun.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        You just have no idea how wrong you really are.. Sorry I have already proved on this very forum you could not tell the difference between a spun article and the original. Now sure if you use a junk tool and use it wrong then you will get junk.

        James
        Hi James-
        First I want to say that I respect your opinion and actually enjoy reading many of your posts. With that said, there is no right or wrong with this issue. I'm aware of the many uses for spun material. I'm also aware that there is software that will produce a decent result. I'm coming from a different place though.

        I love to write. Most often the words just flow. With that in mind, I wouldn't even want to spin my own stuff manually because I can get a better result just writing something fresh, and I can do it faster than having to rework something. Even so, I'm all for working smart. And I do realize that spinners can help people do that.

        Where I have the issue is with drive-by fast-buck artists hyping spinners to be the answer to everyone's article marketing and backlinking problems. You're probably right when you say there are spinners that produce content that appears very authentic. You also say that, "if you use a junk tool and use it wrong then you will get junk."

        I'll ask you for your straight-up opinion. Of all the marketers out there, what is the percentage of people who will go to the expense and take the time to use a decent tool and use it properly? I don't have the answer to that but would be willing to bet it's small.

        Many people in the 'how to make money online selling info products' niche of Internet Marketing tend to buy into the crap that IM is a piece of cake and that everything can be put on autopilot and that they can use dirty little secrets and ninja assassin, laser-targeted cash-sucking techniques and on and on and on. It gets really old after a while.

        You and I both know that there is a lot of work involved in earning money online, at least if you want to maintain any kind of reputation for decency. Yet people believe the endless hype. It's these people who are likely to use a cheap tool and not even use that to its highest use.

        And if that's not enough, there are people who would gladly take your original work or mine and do a half-assed job of spinning it and call it their own. I've seen marketers of spinning software even suggest that it's okay to take any article at all and spin it, regardless of its origin.

        The issue I have with spinning is that, for the most part, it makes many people believe there is a shortcut when there really isn't because even if you're using a good piece of spin software properly it still takes real effort to use it right. I don't know if you'd agree but in my experience lots of people simply don't want to put out the effort.

        And when you have tens of thousands of people out there turning out junk because they are looking for the shortcut or don't even care what they're doing, it cheapens your efforts and mine as well. I hope I've clarified my position. Best wishes to you and the rest who actually strive to produce value.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Hi James-
          First I want to say that I respect your opinion and actually enjoy reading many of your posts. With that said, there is no right or wrong with this issue. I'm aware of the many uses for spun material. I'm also aware that there is software that will produce a decent result. I'm coming from a different place though.

          I love to write. Most often the words just flow. With that in mind, I wouldn't even want to spin my own stuff manually because I can get a better result just writing something fresh, and I can do it faster than having to rework something. Even so, I'm all for working smart. And I do realize that spinners can help people do that.

          Where I have the issue is with drive-by fast-buck artists hyping spinners to be the answer to everyone's article marketing and backlinking problems. You're probably right when you say there are spinners that produce content that appears very authentic. You also say that, "if you use a junk tool and use it wrong then you will get junk."

          I'll ask you for your straight-up opinion. Of all the marketers out there, what is the percentage of people who will go to the expense and take the time to use a decent tool and use it properly? I don't have the answer to that but would be willing to bet it's small.

          Many people in the 'how to make money online selling info products' niche of Internet Marketing tend to buy into the crap that IM is a piece of cake and that everything can be put on autopilot and that they can use dirty little secrets and ninja assassin, laser-targeted cash-sucking techniques and on and on and on. It gets really old after a while.

          You and I both know that there is a lot of work involved in earning money online, at least if you want to maintain any kind of reputation for decency. Yet people believe the endless hype. It's these people who are likely to use a cheap tool and not even use that to its highest use.

          And if that's not enough, there are people who would gladly take your original work or mine and do a half-assed job of spinning it and call it their own. I've seen marketers of spinning software even suggest that it's okay to take any article at all and spin it, regardless of its origin.

          The issue I have with spinning is that, for the most part, it makes many people believe there is a shortcut when there really isn't because even if you're using a good piece of spin software properly it still takes real effort to use it right. I don't know if you'd agree but in my experience lots of people simply don't want to put out the effort.

          And when you have tens of thousands of people out there turning out junk because they are looking for the shortcut or don't even care what they're doing it cheapens your efforts and mine as well. I hope I've clarified my position. Best wishes to you and the rest who actually strive to produce value.
          Very well written, I can agree with much of this... There are lazy wannabe marketers that just want a push button for everything. If they could push a button to force customers money in their bank account, they would.

          Personally I use my own human spinner, which does not have that junk {|} stuff and pre-set database of words. In other words my spun content come from my own mind and not some database.

          The problem with a great deal of this is those that use the false "duplicate content penalty" to sell their crappy spinner software. This is where much of the problem comes from and those wannabe marketers that do this will not get very far in this business. Sooner or later they will be out of business while those of us that actually tell the truth will remain standing high.

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author McManigal
            Getting all your articles clustered and having only one show up in the serps sounds like a penalty to me! Even if it's not an actual dock of your rankings, it's still isn't good for traffic!
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      • Profile picture of the author DogScout
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        You just have no idea how wrong you really are.. Sorry I have already proved on this very forum you could not tell the difference between a spun article and the original. Now sure if you use a junk tool and use it wrong then you will get junk.

        Also spun articles have way more uses than just submitting them to article directories.. I have posted many times on here about the uses. It's called repurpose your articles for other formats.

        Spinning has been going on for years and way before the internet even came along. Even major publications spin their content.



        Again, wrong.. Has nothing to do with that, It has to do with working smart... Obviously you just have no idea how to spin an article or the many uses it has.

        Use the proper tools and spin it properly you will never know it was spun.

        James
        Your spinner software in the article marketing area, that is the 'good' kind that gives you control like Scott was talking about?
        That is probably the last hurdle to joining.
        Thanks,
        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    It works if it is done properly and you use the tool properly. The less control you have over your spinning the worse it will turn out so do not look for some push button system, because it does not exist and never will.

    There are some that claim to have a push button system and some fall for that hype until they use it. A human writer can not be replaced no matter how much technology has advanced. As long as you have full control over the words and the article and you use the tools properly, you can produce some very well spun articles.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Well Stott, I might be ignorant in your eyes, and if you see me that way that's fine. But maybe it boils down to personal integrity. I read one of your posts recently in another thread where the OP asked if was okay to use stories in copy if they were't true. Almost everyone agreed that is wasn't. Everyone but you. Here's an excerpt from your post:

    "For example, if I wanted to sell a weight gain product I would 'pose' as a male in his 20-30's who was ripped, used to be puny and made fun of, but now gets all the girls.

    This would be reflected in a story and how "X product" made the difference ("X product" links right to the vendor page with the aff. link.)

    Do I do this type of marketing? Yes."

    So what you're saying is that you would cook up a phony live testimonial to market a product. Very interesting. And people wonder why the FTC is breathing down our necks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Well Stott, I might be ignorant in your eyes, and if you see me that way that's fine. But maybe it boils down to personal integrity. I read one of your posts recently in another thread where the OP asked if was okay to use stories in copy if they were't true. Almost everyone agreed that is wasn't. Everyone but you. Here's an excerpt from your post:

      "For example, if I wanted to sell a weight gain product I would 'pose' as a male in his 20-30's who was ripped, used to be puny and made fun of, but now gets all the girls.

      This would be reflected in a story and how "X product" made the difference ("X product" links right to the vendor page with the aff. link.)

      Do I do this type of marketing? Yes."

      So what you're saying is that you would cook up a phony live testimonial to market a product. Very interesting. And people wonder why the FTC is breathing down our necks.
      These are completely unrelated.

      Yes, you are ignorant to the proper use, benefits, and purpose of seed articles provided by the assumptions you made from your post.

      In your opinion, character marketing is not ethical. You are entitled to that opinion, and can rate my integrity based on your beliefs. I've never used false testimonials on any of my own products, but yes, I do write from the perspective of the searcher on my affiliate sites. If you read the rest of my post, you'd see my argument for it. It's everyday on TV.

      Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author HenrikC
    Thanks for all the tips!

    I will have a look at the links you provided Scott.

    From my own experiences I think it's often faster to write your own articles from scratch if you have good knowledge in the area.

    It doesn't have to take more then 15 minutes to create a new article then.

    The problem can sometimes be if you focus on the same niche, and the subject could become reused over and over again.

    That's why I thought about article spinners.

    But since EZA are quite hard with what articles they approve, I guess it's best to continue research different areas, and provide new content yourself.

    Great forum by the way
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
      Originally Posted by HenrikC View Post

      Thanks for all the tips!

      I will have a look at the links you provided Scott.

      From my own experiences I think it's often faster to write your own articles from scratch if you have good knowledge in the area.

      It doesn't have to take more then 15 minutes to create a new article then.

      The problem can sometimes be if you focus on the same niche, and the subject could become reused over and over again.

      That's why I thought about article spinners.

      But since EZA are quite hard with what articles they approve, I guess it's best to continue research different areas, and provide new content yourself.

      Great forum by the way
      I always write a unique article first before spinning. I think you're looking for a way to take someone else's content and make it unique for your use with the press of a button. That's not what spinning is really for, but some go that route.
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  • Profile picture of the author HenrikC
    Yes, I guess it's best to create one of your own articles, even if you want to spin it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author ejfern22
    I think article spinning is great for article marketing. It's great because if you use article spinning tools correctly you can see some great benefits from using these methods. I don't use article spinning in my business, but I can see how if used correctly can be a great way to boost your website into the top of the search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Bradford
    I use spinning occasionally, more for posting on remote blogs etc for building backlinks. It definitely has its uses. But as many have already said...garbage in, garbage out.
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  • Profile picture of the author vhargis
    Okay, though I might join in on this conversation. The question was asked if spinning content works, yes.

    Does it work for everybody, no.

    The reason it works for some and the reason it does not work for others is simple, it's all in the technique and the purpose for spinning.

    I see there is some debate on whether or not you can publish spun content in ezinearticles or not. You can...we do it on a regular basis. Here is one of our articles.

    Xbox 360 Errors Are Fixable

    This is not one of the better ones but it is a niche I'm willing to share in public. As you can see it was approved. We submitted this article to 14 other sites at the saame time.

    When using spun content the question I would ask is...What is the content being used for?

    1) Is it strictly for building backlinks

    2) Is it to generate traffic

    The answer to those questions will help determine how you spin the content you want to publish.

    There are levels of uniqueness when it comes to spinning content. I think I read here where people are spinning at the word level, its been our experience that is ineffective.

    We spin at the sentence level and we use either 2 or 3 versions depending on what we are trying to accomplish.

    The amount of success you will have depends on the effort you put into it.

    just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author McManigal
    If you want to save yourself time, linkacquisitions.com does exactly what you want. They rewrite your article three times and then randomly switch paragraphs, sentences, and words around and make them sound perfect.
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    • Profile picture of the author vhargis
      Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

      If you want to save yourself time, linkacquisitions.com does exactly what you want. They rewrite your article three times and then randomly switch paragraphs, sentences, and words around and make them sound perfect.
      Though I think their service has value and will certainly get you backlinks. The price is a bit steep. The cost of one submission is more than we pay 2 of our outsource workers.

      But you will save time and (headaches...lol) if you are willing to spend the money.
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      • Profile picture of the author McManigal
        Originally Posted by vhargis View Post

        Though I think their service has value and will certainly get you backlinks. The price is a bit steep. The cost of one submission is more than we pay 2 of our outsource workers.

        But you will save time and (headaches...lol) if you are willing to spend the money.
        I guess you're paying for quality and experience. You can outsource to someone that might screw something up as what often happens when doing something for the first time.
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  • Profile picture of the author McManigal
    You are saying that the duplicate content penalty is false? How do you know for sure?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

      You are saying that the duplicate content penalty is false? How do you know for sure?
      OMG! - Honestly dude no offense but I refuse to answer that ...

      The forum has a search function - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-content.html

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      • Profile picture of the author digidoodles
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        OMG! - Honestly dude no offense but I refuse to answer that ...

        The forum has a search function - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-content.html

        James
        lolololol.

        I'm not laughing at the person who asked this question. It's just that they asked the wrong person. Ha

        James is very passionate about the duplicate content myth (yes it's a myth) and routinely attempts to set misinformed people straight.

        James is a good guy. A very straight shooter. He tells it like it is and is truthful. I guess that's why I like him so much. No sugar-coating. Kinda like me

        We need more James' in marketing

        Warmly,

        Brandi
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by digidoodles View Post

          lolololol.

          I'm not laughing at the person who asked this question. It's just that they asked the wrong person. Ha

          James is very passionate about the duplicate content myth (yes it's a myth) and routinely attempts to set misinformed people straight.

          James is a good guy. A very straight shooter. He tells it like it is and is truthful. I guess that's why I like him so much. No sugar-coating. Kinda like me

          We need more James' in marketing

          Warmly,

          Brandi
          Thanks sweetheart.. You're a doll Brandi ...

          It does kind of get old repeating ones self over and over...

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  • Profile picture of the author McManigal
    There is no penalty, but if all your articles are the same, then they all get clustered and only one of the articles will show up in the serps. If your articles are rewritten then you will have more of them ranking well since they can't be clustered together.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

      but if all your articles are the same, then they all get clustered and only one of the articles will show up in the serps.
      This is another incorrect statement ... If I was you I would spend some time reading this forum, it would do you some good. Since you seem to know some things about articles then start here... It's a great educational thread.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

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      • Profile picture of the author McManigal
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        This is another incorrect statement ... If I was you I would spend some time reading this forum, it would do you some good. Since you seem to know some things about articles then start here... It's a great educational thread.

        James
        We're pretty much arguing the same point, it's better to rewrite your articles! I keep hearing that Google doesn't filter duplicate content from different domains but I don't see how this is possible. Again, cluster is the more appropriate word as they mention it on googlewebmastercentral.

        For example, say you wrote a perfect article and it ranks #1 in Google for "Dolls with long blonde hair". And you submitted this same identical article to many other directories. If there was no filter in place, then wouldn't that same article show up ranked #2-#10 if on other high page rank article directories?

        Google has to cluster identical articles on different domains and only show the most prominent one or face some serious redundancy issues.

        When rewritten, you can hit other key phrases and not compete with the original article. Or am I still off base?
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          Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

          We're pretty much arguing the same point, it's better to rewrite your articles! I keep hearing that Google doesn't filter duplicate content from different domains but I don't see how this is possible. Again, cluster is the more appropriate word as they mention it on googlewebmastercentral.

          For example, say you wrote a perfect article and it ranks #1 in Google for "Dolls with long blonde hair". And you submitted this same identical article to many other directories. If there was no filter in place, then wouldn't that same article show up ranked #2-#10 if on other high page rank article directories?

          Google has to cluster identical articles on different domains and only show the most prominent one or face some serious redundancy issues.

          When rewritten, you can hit other key phrases and not compete with the original article. Or am I still off base?
          I have the exact same article .... title and all in the first 7 spots on Google one in a certain niche. The vehicle for delivering the article is different but it is the exact same content .
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

          We're pretty much arguing the same point, it's better to rewrite your articles! I keep hearing that Google doesn't filter duplicate content from different domains but I don't see how this is possible. Again, cluster is the more appropriate word as they mention it on googlewebmastercentral.

          For example, say you wrote a perfect article and it ranks #1 in Google for "Dolls with long blonde hair". And you submitted this same identical article to many other directories. If there was no filter in place, then wouldn't that same article show up ranked #2-#10 if on other high page rank article directories?

          Google has to cluster identical articles on different domains and only show the most prominent one or face some serious redundancy issues.

          When rewritten, you can hit other key phrases and not compete with the original article. Or am I still off base?
          You are still off base... Many of us have dominated google' front page with the same exact article, it is not filtered..

          googlewebmastercentral - would not know a website if it bite them in the behind. When will people stop listening to others and start testing for themseleves ??? I do not care who they are, I will test it for myself instead of just taking their word for it.

          Do you honestly think google is going to tell you how to rank ????

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
            If you commit a crime, you MAY OR MAY NOT wind up in jail. Jail is bad, but whatever you do, let's not call it a "penalty", OK?

            If you submit duplicate content all over the web, most of it MAY OR MAY NOT wind up in the regular search results (depending not just on your backlinks, but ALSO on Google's "mood" from day to day). "Omitted results" are bad, but whatever you do, just don't call it a "penalty", OK? :rolleyes:

            All irony aside, the truth is that sometimes, in certain niches, you can easily dominate most of the first page search results in Google with the *same exact article* (at least temporarily).

            But in other niches, spreading duplicate content all over the web will not do you ANY good at all, even if you have LOTS of quality link juice going to all of the duplicated content.

            Bottom line... while it's certainly possible to get the same exact article ranked well in multiple top spots in Google, it's often easier to dominate niches by spreading multiple different variations of your articles across the web, thereby increasing your chances of ranking well for more desired keywords in your niche.

            So to answer the OP's question... done correctly, article spinning most certainly "works".
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            • Profile picture of the author Alminc
              After some testing I can also say that article spinning
              DONE CORRECTLY produces better results.

              The devil is however in doing it correctly. It takes half
              a day to spin 1 article of 500 words, and after doing
              a few articles myself I know I will gladly pay someone else
              who specialises in article spinning to do it for me.

              Article spinning is big PITA , but yes, you get more backlinks.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by Alminc View Post

                After some testing I can also say that article spinning
                DONE CORRECTLY produces better results.

                The devil is however in doing it correctly. It takes half
                a day to spin 1 article of 500 words, and after doing
                a few articles myself I know I will gladly pay someone else
                who specialises in article spinning to do it for me.

                Article spinning is big PITA , but yes, you get more backlinks.
                Alminc - your using the wrong tool dude... I can start from scratch and have an article written (800 words) and spun into 50 in 2 hours and all will be 70%+ unique..

                James
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    • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
      Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

      There is no penalty, but if all your articles are the same, then they all get clustered and only one of the articles will show up in the serps.
      Umm
      For a search term I targeted, the exact same article occupies 6 of the top 10 on Google.
      4 of them have the same snippet of the article in the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author McManigal
        Originally Posted by Craig McPherson View Post

        Umm
        For a search term I targeted, the exact same article occupies 6 of the top 10 on Google.
        4 of them have the same snippet of the article in the results.

        Here's my prediction, Google won't like that and will eventually come up with a way to stop it. Redundancy isn't a good thing for search engines.
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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

          Here's my prediction, Google won't like that and will eventually come up with a way to stop it. Redundancy isn't a good thing for search engines.
          That;s true and I've seen those type of results too.

          As long as its possible, though, may as well try to be the one with those 6 spots!

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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by McManigal View Post

          Here's my prediction, Google won't like that and will eventually come up with a way to stop it. Redundancy isn't a good thing for search engines.
          Here's my prediction . When Google says no more ...those of us who know to adjust ... will . Until that time we will keep dominating untapped niches with what others call duplicate content .

          Hmmm is that a prediction or an opinion?
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          • Profile picture of the author McManigal
            That's a statement. Milk it while you have it!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I am not tooting James' horn here ...just stating some facts .

    I was totally against spinning up until very recently . You can look back at some of my replies and see where I stood .

    I actually thought that while James seemed to be a pretty good authority on article marketing, he was way off base when it cam to spinning .

    I finally decided to prove him wrong . I joined his directory with the full intention of proving this spinning thing a farce .

    His spinner gives me the ability to write each paragraph , let's say 3 times,( there is really no limit to this) . I make each paragraph flow into the next one . Make sure my paragraphs with the least amount of words add up to 500 or so. Hit spin and come up with at least 21 completely unique articles .

    Now if I input junk the output will be junk. If I take the time to , in essence , write three quality articles , I push a button and get 21 quality articles back out .

    Now I have not used the service a lot for the fact I have been building sites that are going to be the home of the new content I will have soon.

    I have been actually changing some niches so my portfolio will be friendlier to article marketing .

    In other words I was wrong about spinners . They are not all created equal.

    I am so pleased with this spinner that I have been paying for it and not using it . I have created sites just to house the content I will get from it .

    Lesson learned .... don't cull it until you have tried it .
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  • Profile picture of the author McManigal
    I rewrite my article 3 times by hand for a total of 4. And then I use bad ass spin software to rotate entire paragraphs, sentences, and the words within them. My articles are spun 75% afterwards and sound perfect.

    Basically I merge 4 into 1.
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  • Profile picture of the author NaturalStyle
    Well... so here's what I am doing.
    1) Write article for my blog. Original content, of course.
    2) Spin article on sentence level.
    3) Spin article on word level.
    4) Produce 100 or so spun versions.
    5) Be clear to where you submit. If it's for human eyes (clicks) or for backlinking (search engine spiders).
    5a) If for human eyes, article needs to be read and edited for quality control. There's no way around that and should not take longer than 3 minutes per spun version. Submit manually.
    5b) If for backlinking (spiders) submit automatically.

    Does this take time... sure. Does it get results? Yes.

    Is it possible to get away with less effort? Yes.

    But, since January I've build quite an online presence for my pen name.. As of today, a Google search with my pen name in quotes gets 25 800 results- and I've made sure before choosing that name that nobody else has an online presence with that name.

    I'm happy to read your ideas about my strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author vhargis
      Originally Posted by NaturalStyle View Post

      Well... so here's what I am doing.
      1) Write article for my blog. Original content, of course.
      2) Spin article on sentence level.
      3) Spin article on word level.
      4) Produce 100 or so spun versions.
      5) Be clear to where you submit. If it's for human eyes (clicks) or for backlinking (search engine spiders).
      5a) If for human eyes, article needs to be read and edited for quality control. There's no way around that and should not take longer than 3 minutes per spun version. Submit manually.
      5b) If for backlinking (spiders) submit automatically.

      Does this take time... sure. Does it get results? Yes.

      Is it possible to get away with less effort? Yes.

      But, since January I've build quite an online presence for my pen name.. As of today, a Google search with my pen name in quotes gets 25 800 results- and I've made sure before choosing that name that nobody else has an online presence with that name.

      I'm happy to read your ideas about my strategy.
      We did almost the exact same process as you did up until about 4 months ago. We found through testing that there was no difference in the results we got after omitting (3) Spin article on word level.) saved us time and money.

      The trick is to make sure each sentence is completely different and each paragraph stands alone and does not make reference to any other part of the article. Thats what works for us.

      Great post on this thread....
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  • Profile picture of the author UBotBuddy
    All good stuff here. Some like it and some don't. Some may think it is BS and some see it as a valuable effort at working smarter. For me, I like it and it is truely working smarter.

    Now for some facts:

    1. Word Replacement. I know I said much earlier that you should not use this BUT this has to be done in a VERY smart way. Like staying with only certain words.

    i.e. {Red|Black|Green|Blue|Yellow|Orange|Brown|White}

    Using this on other types of words are great too, like numbers, dates, gender, people's names.


    2. Phrase Replacement. I typically use these for phrases that I use repetitively.

    i.e. {Whatever|What ever the case may be|Yada yada|}


    3. Sentence Replacement. In my opinion, this is the hardest because this requires transitional thinking. To make this a more effective technique I would suggest that you work with one sentence transitions between paragraphs.

    i.e.
    Paragraph 1

    {The one thing I have noticed is Article Marketing is Hot when proper Backlinking is applied!|Article Marketing is equally as great as backlinking.|Article Marketing vs Backlinking: No fight they are both needed.|Article Marketing plus Backlinking equals pure success.}

    Paragraph 2

    You can see that it is easier to work with one sentence so all you would need to practice on here is the transitions from Paragraph 1 to your spinable sentences and then on to Paragraph 2.

    In my opinion, then you can move on to two sentences in a paragraph and then top it out at three spinable sentences in a paragraph. Doing more than thrre becomes a nightmare. There really is not limit to the number of sentences in a paragraph but it just becomes a managing issue at that point. Remember, work smart.


    4. Paragraph Replacement. This one is the easiest. The only thing you need to practice is the transitions between all of the paragraphs between each other. But do not think you can just create 5 new articles with 5 paragraphs and then setup 5 sets of paragraph replacements. If you do then you will be setting yourself up for potential failure.

    Again, transitional thinking. All of the paragraphs that you will be using in the Para-1 Spins need to flow into all of the paragraphs in Para-2 Spins. And the same for the Paragraphs in Para-2 Spins into the paragraphs in the Para-3 Spins. Repeating until all paragraphs replacement sections are done.


    Finally, What if you combined all of these? Now that would be powerful. Depending on the software that you are using you may have that ability.

    But remember...Transition, Transition, and Transition. That is the REAL key. Make your Spins as fluid and smooth as possible.


    Bonus!
    Yes, words, phrases, sentences and even paragraphs can be spun. But there are a couple of other items that can be spun as well.

    1. HTML - I'm serious. I've done it. <table>, <div>, <image>, and shhhhh <title>

    2. BIO boxes - We worry about the content. But sometimes maybe we need to just focus on the BIO/Author box.

    3. BackLinks - If you had an article that converts well and was being picked up by many other sites then if you had text links that were changing then you COULD be picking up some extra fire power rather than just having one phrase associated in that backlink.


    This is my final thought.

    If you don't practice and I mean practice. Then you will not be very good at this.

    I started out using David Watson's Website Content Wizard (don't buy this - I can get on my HUGE WHITE HORSE about this product). It was good but required you to generate your own thesaurus for word replacement. Content Composer came out next and it was pretty good and I learned sentence and paragraph replacement. I finally landed on PAR - Power Article Rewriter. I used this to hone my transitions.

    The better you get at this the more uniqueness between articles you will acheive.

    Good Luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author vhargis
      Originally Posted by SiteBlaster View Post

      I finally landed on PAR - Power Article Rewriter. I used this to hone my transitions.
      Is a very good program...we have one very similar and a good job worksheet so that we can out source the work. When then take about 15 mins to edit a fix any glaring errors.


      works great and last a long time...lol

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  • Profile picture of the author -Jericho-
    It works as long as you get your uniqueness up. I shoot for at least 30%.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarah_may
    Originally Posted by HenrikC View Post

    Does anyone of you use article spinning?

    I've been thinking about using article spinning, but don't know if it works?

    Does for example EZA allow articles that has been "spinned"?

    Do you have any recommendations of article spinning softwares that work?
    It may work if your pupose is to get some link through posting articles as some article directories will allow it to submit (not sure about ezine it may hardly allow it) but original is always original and works better.
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  • Profile picture of the author amber1210
    I think one of the best ways to spin is to have a human do it. You can get them done the right way. It may take a bit longer, but its still worth the time. You just have to find the right person to do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Ya know, I spent an hour or more researching James' stuff. Seems to me, with a few IQ points, if you are interested in back-links, article marketing or IM in general... pretty good deal if the spinner is a quarter what he says it is!
    (though I do hate his videos. LOL. Guess that is part of the charm, huh?)
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Ya know, I spent an hour or more researching James' stuff. Seems to me, with a few IQ points, if you are interested in back-links, article marketing or IM in general... pretty good deal if the spinner is a quarter what he says it is!
      (though I do hate his videos. LOL. Guess that is part of the charm, huh?)
      Thanks.. I think ...lol I personally do not like vidoes myself but there is full text and a different and more detailed video in the members area..

      James
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Ya know, I spent an hour or more researching James' stuff. Seems to me, with a few IQ points, if you are interested in back-links, article marketing or IM in general... pretty good deal if the spinner is a quarter what he says it is!
      (though I do hate his videos. LOL. Guess that is part of the charm, huh?)
      The spinner is 100% better than he is saying . A lot of other great tools there also .
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