Who are really the gurus?

by Isedo
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Hi folks,

It's around 14 years since I red the first Tony Robbins book and from then I discovered Carnegie and Hill. Now, well, it feels like most of the Gurus out there just say, in different way, the same concepts told 100 years ago by Hill.

Of course it's ok, nothing bad about that.

The question is, there are still few "innovators" who really have the vision of strategy and online marketing-promotion and sales.

For example the creator of click funnels is quite a smart guy, gives great advices, his speeches are great. Same for Dan Kennedy and many others. Dan Look brought the concept of high selling tickets but still, if you read Hill or Carnegie, it's the same staff but brought to 2019 (and it's great).

The point is that these days, you see out there so many self proclamed gurus who really not do anything new but say the same things Hill and Carnegie told years ago...

Who is today "the guy" who really is killing it with the vision and strategy online? From whom is worth to really learn?

Which in your opinion is the top 5 people to learn from today in order to kill it and stay ahead in digital marketing?

Thanks for your opinions.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    The people who are really killing it will probably never be heard of here or anywhere else.

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    • Profile picture of the author Isedo
      I agree but still, which is your tought about who is worth to follow and learn from?
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Isedo View Post

        I agree but still, which is your tought about who is worth to follow and learn from?
        What do you want to learn? Killing it as in making money, who is banking big bux, is that your question?

        I don't understand what you are asking, since you named a few people, and you think they all have Hill or other old wisdom to use, why not just follow Hill if that is what you believe?

        Or are you one of those people who is looking for a PLAN or a blueprint to follow from some GURU who says, "just do what I did and you will get what I got" type of followers?

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        • Profile picture of the author Isedo
          QUOTE: Or are you one of those people who is looking for a PLAN or a blueprint to follow from some GURU who says, "just do what I did and you will get what I got" type of followers?


          Nope brother, as I told, I like to study and I'm in the marketing world 10 years now. I'm constantly looking to learn new things and learn from people who know more than me.
          So I was just wandering which is your guys opinion on who is the people who has that extra smart point of view on strategy, selling online etc.

          There is always someone innovating before someone else and it's nice to learn from these people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Lewis
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      The people who are really killing it will probably never be heard of here or anywhere else.

      al
      I tend to agree. People who are massively successful will probably keep their methods to themselves rather than encouraging others to compete directly against them.
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  • Profile picture of the author RuskinF
    I wouldn't be able to tell you the top 5 people.
    But, Rand Fishkin would show you the way to learn all the necessary skills in digital marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Reddevil007
      Originally Posted by RuskinF View Post

      I wouldn't be able to tell you the top 5 people.
      But, Rand Fishkin would show you the way to learn all the necessary skills in digital marketing.

      And Neil Patel too
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      • Profile picture of the author Isedo
        Originally Posted by Reddevil007 View Post

        And Neil Patel too
        Well Neil is a great guy but I not see him as a real mentor right now. He lives a lot thanks to what he build in the past. He was smart/lucky to start when he started and thanks to his knowledge he did well but I'm not sure he is putting out there some really great content these days.

        I'm telling this from a point of view from someone who is in the digital marketing 10 years and works in the advertising world over 20.

        Don't get me wrong, Neil is still the number one in his field but he went very mainstream in my opinion with all of the ups and downs whcih goes with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
        Originally Posted by Reddevil007 View Post

        And Neil Patel too
        Neil Patel? HAH, no.
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  • Profile picture of the author surfer30
    Don'' t try to find something invisible if you didn't reach high levels in your life. Find what already in the market and put it in your business an your own life. Russell Branson once said people who stay in business are those who are prolific. They create something new and unique.

    To reach that level you need to invest in your mind. How read several books in your topic. Buy courses. Products. Expect to fail and fail. Learn from top marketers and smart Gurus. Please if you know someone you think has always unbelievable ideas, put his name here. We all want to listen to him
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    • Profile picture of the author Isedo
      Originally Posted by surfer30 View Post

      Don'' t try to find something invisible if you didn't reach high levels in your life. Find what already in the market and put it in your business an your own life. Russell Branson once said people who stay in business are those who are prolific. They create something new and unique.

      To reach that level you need to invest in your mind. How read several books in your topic. Buy courses. Products. Expect to fail and fail. Learn from top marketers and smart Gurus. Please if you know someone you think has always unbelievable ideas, put his name here. We all want to listen to him
      Agree with you brother. I'm in this business 20 years, I totally agree with you. I'm not a newbie here, even if I'm new to this forum. I just thought I can find some deeper insights here, a friend of mine told me this is the place to be.

      I personally recommend reading all books from:

      Napoleon Hill
      Dale Carnegie

      From these two came gurus like:

      Tony Robbins

      In the past i loved a great marketing man called Eben Pagan, very smart guy. Look for his old courses about Marketing.

      All of the other guys just come from this wave of icons.

      Russell Branson is a very smart guy, love his way of be active and smart. Has some great ideas.

      Gary Vaynerchuk is a great speaker with a deep insight of social media. Know him since he started his wine business.

      Dan Kennedy, great sales man and expert in sales letters.

      I used to follow Frank Kern but ... he is not really bringing something new now...

      Ryan Deiss, very very smart guy.

      Dan Lok, very intelligent guy who took the Tony Robbins concepts and made them feel new. Worth to listen to and wrap your own idea.

      John Carlton, great copywriter

      Jay Abraham, worth to listen to and make your own ideas from what he says, specialy from who is doing business in EU and not only in USA.

      There are really to many to mention...

      I'm sure also here in this forum we have a lot of great people.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrcato2
    It really depends on what you want to learn. If it is product creation My number one pick would be Marlon Sanders. If it is ranking websites for seo purposes my #1 pick would be Matt Woodword, List Building would be Lee Murray, Brian Tracy is really good for sales manship and goal setting. And for that true Guru I would buy and read anything and everything from Allen Says.
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    • Profile picture of the author Isedo
      Originally Posted by wrcato2 View Post

      It really depends on what you want to learn. If it is product creation My number one pick would be Marlon Sanders. If it is ranking websites for seo purposes my #1 pick would be Matt Woodword, List Building would be Lee Murray, Brian Tracy is really good for sales manship and goal setting. And for that true Guru I would buy and read anything and everything from Allen Says.
      Thanks for buddy for your insights. I was missing few guys from your list, thanks for sharing.
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    Google can help you based on simple keywords searches related to IM, but if you find a Warrior who:

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    Most of the big dawgs will say: create, connect, be generous, trust in yourself and in the process, and ride out those uncomfortable, scary periods, and you will succeed.

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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    As far as I am concerned, the only REAL guru is one who can actually teach you to REALLY MAKE MONEY.

    In other words, they deliver RESULTS because their materials work with how YOU process info and how YOU get motivated.

    In other words, you might have to go through tons of materials until you find something that actually works because the materials worked with how YOU make things happen
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      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      As far as I am concerned, the only REAL guru is one who can actually teach you to REALLY MAKE MONEY.

      In other words, they deliver RESULTS because their materials work with how YOU process info and how YOU get motivated.

      In other words, you might have to go through tons of materials until you find something that actually works because the materials worked with how YOU make things happen
      Second this... Real Guru is the real one who can make you to do it to make it whatever your goal is, even if he/she is not the famous one or the richest one...!!! That's true!
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    The interesting part about the gurus you mentioned even Tony Robbins the guru side if their busines is the funnel for far more lucrative and profitable services.

    Look at Gary vee it is almost as if he is using his guru status to get clients to his marketing agency.
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  • Profile picture of the author fakeshoes
    Take any online marketer that's doing good and opt-in on their funnels.

    Break down everything they do (Ads -> Landing Page -> TY Page -> Emails -> Upsells ...)

    Once I started doing this, I realized what's working and what makes them unique.

    Also, I'd be careful with courses as most of them are just part 1 of the upsells the guy has
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  • Profile picture of the author kyokyo
    Yes, i would love to know who are the gurus : )
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Two of my personal favorites are Paul Myers and Willie Crawford. Both of them keep it real and you might be surprised to learn that they do not call themselves gurus. However, many of the real gurus subscribe to their newsletters and more. Much more!
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      Two of my personal favorites are Paul Myers and Willie Crawford.
      They were once both very active on this forum only. Except for a rare visit last week by Willie they no longer visit here.

      Speaking of Gurus if you want to call them that their are still a few who post in the offline section and Mind Forum the past 2 weeks. Only sections of the forum that seems to be worth reading lately. IMHO
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

        They were once both very active on this forum only. Except for a rare visit last week by Willie they no longer visit here.

        Speaking of Gurus if you want to call them that their are still a few who post in the offline section and Mind Forum the past 2 weeks. Only sections of the forum that seems to be worth reading lately. IMHO

        True Don, but every once in a while we talk and even though they are not very active they still are good people and Warriors at heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    I think 80 percent its about mindset ,you can folow all great leaders if you are programed to fail you will fail .I will work on.my mindset first and the money will come
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  • Profile picture of the author Ibrahim Sumon
    The exacting interpretation of the master is somebody who is a "dispeller of obscurity." The haziness here is numbness.

    In spite of the fact that any ace instructor is now and again alluded to as a master (these days the word master is utilized in English freely), generally master alludes to a strict or profound educator who not just has profound information that can prompt moksha (freedom or illumination) yet in addition has direct understanding of Divine vision of effortlessness, which has been acclimatized into their method for being.

    In spite of the fact that far less regular today than it used to be, generally understudies lived with their master, at any rate for quite a while, with the master basically assuming the job of a parent.
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  • Profile picture of the author lovefightwrite
    Miles Beckler is the marketer who has probably individually taught me the most via his YouTube channel and to a lesser extent, his blog. I'm testing out a few other "gurus" right now but he's my go to recommendation for anyone who wants to learn digital marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrlovernich
    There are way too many gurus out there it seems.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by RuskinF View Post

    I wouldn't be able to tell you the top 5 people.
    But, Rand Fishkin would show you the way to learn all the necessary skills in digital marketing.
    You do know that Moz never made a profit before changing leadership, right?

    Originally Posted by Reddevil007 View Post

    And Neil Patel too
    You should read this... https://the-disrupt.com/neil-patel-a...ailure-part-1/
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    • Profile picture of the author Reddevil007
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You do know that Moz never made a profit before changing leadership, right?



      You should read this... https://the-disrupt.com/neil-patel-a...ailure-part-1/

      wow but honestly it was sarcastic because we all know the kind of rehash stuff he writes. But, you gotta give credit to his copywriting skills because I love going through his emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian
    Most of the so called "gurus" that sold millions on W+, JVzoo - just don't care about their customers... they're not the real ones... but I've learn a lot from Jimmy D Brown, John Thornhill and PromoteLabs guys.

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  • Profile picture of the author luciesmazanska
    Originally Posted by Isedo View Post

    Hi folks,

    It's around 14 years since I red the first Tony Robbins book and from then I discovered Carnegie and Hill. Now, well, it feels like most of the Gurus out there just say, in different way, the same concepts told 100 years ago by Hill.

    Of course it's ok, nothing bad about that.

    The question is, there are still few "innovators" who really have the vision of strategy and online marketing-promotion and sales.

    For example the creator of click funnels is quite a smart guy, gives great advices, his speeches are great. Same for Dan Kennedy and many others. Dan Look brought the concept of high selling tickets but still, if you read Hill or Carnegie, it's the same staff but brought to 2019 (and it's great).

    The point is that these days, you see out there so many self proclamed gurus who really not do anything new but say the same things Hill and Carnegie told years ago...

    Who is today "the guy" who really is killing it with the vision and strategy online? From whom is worth to really learn?

    Which in your opinion is the top 5 people to learn from today in order to kill it and stay ahead in digital marketing?

    Thanks for your opinions.
    I.
    listen, lets say WE (our business) doesn't need any traffic anymore because we have other sources to get them from, but we are here to build our reputation, as some people said, real gurus are not here (which I DONT agree with) you don't need to be a guru, but building reputation is a thing what everyone can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    IMO guru is someone who is successful and made good money in his core business area
    The core business area should not be in teaching/courses ...

    Im afraid of all the gurus who made money only by selling courses... if its the only method then he/she is NOT a guru....
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  • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
    Does anyone here have experience with Eric Louviere? If yes, please elaborate.

    (Thank you all for this valuable thread.)
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  • Profile picture of the author enessy8007
    My new favorite quote is " I shoot gurus because there too many to fight"

    What do you think of the POD opportunities here?

    A quick million by leveraging a course being sold by a guy with a large platform and a jet?
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    • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
      Originally Posted by enessy8007 View Post

      What do you think of the POD opportunities here?
      One of the most frustrating aspects of this (and many other discussion forums of all types) is the use of acronyms without first defining them--as if everyone in the world knows what "POD opportunities" are.

      I need a glossary of frequently used digital marketing terms. Perhaps Warrior Forum could assemble one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by LibelFreeZone View Post

        One of the most frustrating aspects of this (and many other discussion forums of all types) is the use of acronyms without first defining them--as if everyone in the world knows what "POD opportunities" are.

        I need a glossary of frequently used digital marketing terms. Perhaps Warrior Forum could assemble one.
        In this particular instance, POD is likely to mean "Print on Demand".

        The forum actually did put together a list of digital marketing terms a year or two back:

        https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...need-know.html

        IMO, that list ought to be made a sticky and updated periodically.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Hal
    As you said, Russell Brunson is a great person to learn from. I don't think Dan Lok is good, he has more of a cult and has mislead many. Same goes for a lot of the big names like Neil Patel. These people are making "valuable" content for their own benefit. They would never give the methods that they really use for the most part.
    As per comments, the people really doing well aren't going to share their method. If they're selling their method in a course it's because they think they can make more with the course than the actual method itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Why not just google it - there are many glossaries online that list internet terminology.

    POD can mean several things - payable on death, payment on demand, payment on delivery, proof of delivery....






    Does anyone here have experience with Eric Louviere? If yes, please elaborate.

    Use search or just look up Eric's acct here and read his 3000+ posts..... He started out online on the WF WAY back when.....
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    • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Use search or just look up Eric's acct here and read his 3000+ posts..... He started out online on the WF WAY back when.....
      I meant actually purchased his coaching.

      I put his name in the search box and the results were seven pages of posts wherein he's mentioned, including many where he's not mentioned. How do I find his "account?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Use 'advanced search' put in his name and then click on 'find THREADS by'...


    The 'search box' - without using advanced search - gives general results.
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    My opt-ins, subscriptions, sales and benefits are the truth.

    Or why do people still pulse them out, show up, and do all my work for me?

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    Gotta figure in 2173, long after Zuckerberg had his syllables shortened to 2 to quit loadin' the burgeonin' cyberspace storagehole with crapola, an' all them religious maniacs persuaded enthoosiastic innocents to take their own lives ducked out first bcs fyootyure juicy terrified the frick outta their ass ...

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    That is mebbe why I so hate this self-convulsualizin' Regurgitatosphere sumtimes.

    Where standin' on a platform of eternal consequence gets whooshied up real stoopid with seekin' applause from lickin' your own ass.

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  • Profile picture of the author josephgny
    The only person who I could think of off the top who might qualify is *OBVIOUSLY* Neil Patel. lol.



    Or you could listen to ME (even NOW), a false GURU type, but, I haven't made Cash since I was BORN. And that's the only FACT I know, lolololol. Somebody PLEASE, verbally TORMENT me. Just 100% joking, I'm VERY successful.
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    • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
      Originally Posted by josephgny View Post

      Or you could listen to ME (even NOW), a false GURU type, but, I haven't made Cash since I was BORN. And that's the only FACT I know, lolololol. Somebody PLEASE, verbally TORMENT me. Just 100% joking, I'm VERY successful.
      What is your niche, Joseph?
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  • The real gurus are those people who inspire their following and provide them with an actionable, step by step blueprint (that actually works- with no obstacles) to make money online and create economic independence. There is a lot of theory out there and the blind leading the blind. When it comes down to it, results are what matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
      It seems like nearly all the "products" are "how to make money online" until the whole thing turns into a convoluted incestuous nothing-burger.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It seems like nearly all the "products" are "how to make money online" until the whole thing turns into a convoluted incestuous nothing-burger.

    If you are visiting marketing forums and looking at internet marketing 'gurus' of course you see MMO....that what people are looking for. In some cases, that's what the guru has been selling all along. Actually, it's a pretty small market segment though if that's all you look at it seems more prevalent.



    There are 'gurus' in every field - gardening, cooking, decorating, dog training....on and on. They may be selling something - but it's not MMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      If you are visiting marketing forums and looking at internet marketing 'gurus' of course you see MMO....that's what people are looking for. In some cases, that's what the guru has been selling all along. Actually, it's a pretty small market segment though if that's all you look at it seems more prevalent. There are 'gurus' in every field - gardening, cooking, decorating, dog training....on and on. They may be selling something - but it's not MMO.
      Really? My mailbox is flooded with gurus offering a "product" that allegedly teaches people how to teach other people how to make money online. (I set up a separate email account just to keep my personal account from being overwhelmed by these offers.) IOW, the person offering the product hasn't necessarily made money online him/herself, but s/he's offering how to teach other people how to make money online; hence, the incest. Apparently, such information disseminations are called "launches." I've never yet received an offer of how to teach people how to "relieve pain naturally," or "master organic gardening" or "indoor hydroponics made simple."

      So these gurus charge $1,000 to $15,000 to teach you how to then charge $1,000 to $15,000, too, until, apparently, the entire world knows how to get paid $1,000 to $15,000 for a "launch."

      Recently, I listened to an hour-long "free masterclass" that was nothing but an hour-long advertisement for the guru to teach me something. S/he went on and on about how much money s/he's made ("millions!"), how much s/he's spent on learning how to make those millions, and how you, too, can make millions, until the "masterclass" was over. Not one snippet of insight was offered as to how to achieve such riches EXCEPT to hire him/her; then ALL will be revealed!

      I swear, I must be missing something because you all seem like honorable people who wouldn't dream of being part of a scam. Does anyone know of a study or survey that shows the popularity of various niches because I think the internet marketing field is dominated by "how to make money online."

      Still searching patiently for the missing link...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    My mailbox is flooded with gurus offering a "product" that allegedly teaches people how to teach other people how to make money online.
    Where did they get your email? Chances are you signed up - and you can unsubscribe. Names are sometimes shared or added to lists you didn't' sign up for.

    I've never yet received an offer of how to teach people how to "relieve pain naturally," or "master organic gardening" or "indoor hydroponics made simple."
    Have you visited gardening or hydroponic sites? Have you signed up for their email lists or their 'free reports', etc?

    I listened to an hour-long "free masterclass" that was nothing but an hour-long advertisement for the guru to teach me something.
    Why would anyone with knowledge about IM - give it away to just anyone who wants it? Why be surprised there is a product to be sold? Time is money in business whether offline or online.

    I think the internet marketing field is dominated by "how to make money online."
    Yes, - it's 'internet marketing' and though technically it would refer to anyone who 'sells online' it's usually confined to the MMO and marketing folks. There is online business, and ecommerce. It's not one size fits all.

    One thing new marketers spend far too much time on is....sales pages. Unless you are in the market for a specific piece of information or software - or are just looking for 'something' to buy - there's nothing to gain by reading one sales page (usually about 20 pages long in reality) after another. Yet people do it - and sign up for one email list after another.


    It usually takes new marketers some time to accept that 'get rich free and fast and easy" isn't reality. If it sounds too good to be true - it's not true. Simple as that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Link removed - read the forum rules.



      An example of an old style site where a negative title was used to promote a product....and the person 'reviewed' has one of the few email lists worth subscribing to.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Link removed - read the forum rules.
        There are links in this thread. What, then, are the rules regarding links (I ask rhetorically)?
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    • Profile picture of the author LibelFreeZone
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Why would anyone with knowledge about IM - give it away to just anyone who wants it? Why be surprised there is a product to be sold? Time is money in business whether offline or online.
      Good point, but at least be honest about what it is you're asking me to spend an hour listening to. Don't call it a "masterclass"--emphasis on "class"--unless you're willing to impart SOMETHING about internet marketing itself. I didn't sign up for an hour-long advertisement of this person's services. An advertisement at the end is acceptable, but not from minute one.

      Googling for "how to make money online" is guaranteed to generate tons of crap. That's been my experience so far.

      What's your niche, Kay?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      One of the most useful things you can learn is to research a site...that particular blog was launched in 2003-4, has not been updated any time recently and is composite of old reviews of mlm's and other 'opportunities'.



      The page you linked was a 'negative headline' review of someone who was the leading moderator on this forum for 15 yrs or so - until it was sold to Freelancer.. Paul Myers has one of the few email list worth staying on. Yes, he sells 'stuff' but he also provides a wealth of information to his list and he's interesting to read.


      The 'links' rules are enforced and not strictly specified as mods often make the decisions. That's how it is.

      I don't have a niche any more - I'm pretty much retired which is why I have time to moderate here. Have been in affiliate marketing, sold my own stuff, ran several larger membership sites, was admin on several forums - built over 200 websites and did very well for several years as a freelance writer.



      Googling for "how to make money online" is guaranteed to generate tons of crap.

      Of course - because that's what you are asking for. It's too general. But - if you are picky about the results you'll find some good info....such as

      https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/299728


      Those things are mentioned because, done right - they work. There is no one size fits all - you have to put together your own process by learning a little her and a little there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Dan lok does it for me

      I'll bite - what has he done? How much are you earning? What area of IM are you working in?


      No, I don't need a recommendation for Dan Lok - he's sold here before - need to know what about his program leads you to recommend him.
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