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Unread 30th Jul 2020, 08:56 AM   #1151
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That's a scare tactic to me. 1485 deaths in US yesterday are what NY was seeing a few months ago in that one state. The news reported like that is sensationalized - makes it sound like 'it's out of control'.
Is it a "Scare tactic" Sure. It's also true. All media sensationalizes news. And most media editorializes to bend the story to make it more contentious.

And a pandemic that is spreading at the same rate it was months ago, is out of control.

New York was hit particularly hard because it was the beginning of the pandemic, people were not wearing masks, and New York is a high population density state.

There are now two versions of the pandemic;

1) It's over. Let's talk about something else.
2) We are all going to die.

As always, our sources of "information" are dividing us into two opposing camps. It's not enough that we see things differently, we must see the other side as evil.

Fouci has advocated wearing masks (as has nearly every other medical professional in the world) for months. He said, at the very beginning, that there was no need to wear a mask, when there were only 50 cases in the whole country. That changed as the virus spread. The idea of wearing eye covering is because the virus can still enter through our eyes, although it's not likely.

and...the virus went from non-existent...to the #1 cause of death in the US...back down a few rungs...and now is back up to #1 in half the states. That's a fact. And that makes it out of control.

How will we know when it's "under control"? When the numbers for the whole country steadily go down for several weeks.

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Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

Covid has been carried by Bats for decades.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-53584936
Bats have likely been consumed as a food source since prehistoric times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_as_food


Years ago I visited an island in the S. China Sea and spent a few months with the local nationals. They ate fruit bats. They also shrunk human heads. Hence my short hair cut.

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Bats have likely been consumed as a food source since prehistoric times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_as_food


Years ago I visited an island in the S. China Sea and spent a few months with the local nationals. They ate fruit bats. They also shrunk human heads. Hence my short hair cut.
That's a myth. They shrunk heads to make them easier to ship. When you received your head, you just added water, and it swelled up to its normal size.

I see you added too much water.

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That's a myth. They shrunk heads to make them easier to ship. When you received your head, you just added water, and it swelled up to its normal size.

I see you added too much water.
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BTW, that stuff glows in the dark. Those were the days.

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Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

Yesterday, Dr Fauci threw another wrench into the works. During his daily 'comments' he mentioned.....'it may be that eye protection is necessary to avoid covid-19'.....and not a single media person picked up on it or asked a question about it.


Three plus months into a pandemic before it was decided 'masks are necessary' - five months into a pandemic and we may need goggles, too? And not a single media outlet thought - 'wow, that's new'.


Reminds me of a few years when I lived 'within' the research and academic community. Very smart physicists and chemists tripping over their M.D.'s and Ph.D.'s - as they discussed the ins and the outs - the ups and the downs - the potentials and the risks...of one major 'problem' after another.


I remember a discussion where I said in a major catastrophe I'd choose to follow the rambos over the intellectuals. My reasoning was that 'go there, do that now, avoid that at all costs' was better advice in an crisis than 'let's talk this through and see what our options are and examine each of those options point by point'.



An effective response to any emergency is a combination of rational thought and decisive action. Hard to achieve the balance at times.

I've heard that on the news several times. Long before now.

I'm pretty sure it was even mentioned here in this thread...one of the first few pages.
[/B]- 'wow, that's new'.[/B]

Selective hearing and selective reporting. The VP clearly said in the very beginning on TV in front of a room full of reporters during a covid response address, that the only people who had anything to worry about were the elderly and those with underlying conditions, which most Americans have.

Not a single reporter asked about it, I was like wtf!, HOW is no one asking about that.

btw: Things ARE out of control.

- below is not directed at you Kay.


This is not complicated to follow.

1) this is new - multiple things are learned and confirmed daily. Across multiple countries.
So what you know and how you handle it changes as you learn, sometimes hourly.

- for any of you conspiracy peeps, that alone makes it impossible for covid to be fake.

2) From day one Brix and Fauci were hamstrung with what they are allowed to say.

- why? For many reasons, one of them is detailed in that CDC report from 2017 I posted, again in the first few pages. The short gist is, in part (a large part) mass panic.

3) He said the original call not to wear masks was based on hospitals not having enough PPE
and extrapolating previously known information about viruses. He then said - (I'm para-phrasing)
Hey, we were wrong the new info shows that masks do work. Both in helping people from transmitting it
...and catching it.


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A new wrinkle...

Infected children have at least as much of the coronavirus in their noses and throats as infected adults, according to the research. Indeed, children younger than age 5 may host up to 100 times as much of the virus in the upper respiratory tract as adults, the authors found.

That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said.

“The school situation is so complicated — there are many nuances beyond just the scientific one,” said Dr. Taylor Heald-Sargent, a pediatric infectious diseases expert at the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago, who led the study, published in JAMA Pediatrics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ch...ds/ar-BB17ni0e


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A very real danger about the coronavirus besides its uncontrolled infectious spread is a pandemic of misinformation in very high places capitalizing on the widespread ignorance and distrust of science.

When our own leaders take on a self-serving and cavalier attitude about this extremely transmissble and deadly virus, the professionals who are very deeply worried regarding record-breaking cases and deaths worldwide do seem to be considered "alarmists" in contrast.

At this point, everyone is vulnerable, either as a victim of this horrific contagion, or as an asymptomatic transmitter to others. Our only defense right now is containment, like a wildfire out of control. Wearing a mask and social distancing is like protecting your home with a garden hose as the fire is raging closeby.

Until a vaccine is available and distributed, all we can do right now is buy more time with our individual garden hoses. When fires burn in the distance, it's "sensational". But when your own home is burning, then it becomes real, as many have already experienced: Coronavirus Cases Worldwide

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I for one stopped socializing at honky-tonks. Instead I practice social distancing via home delivery.

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I think Ohio's governor might shut down bars and restaurants in a few minutes. At the very least, I expect him to shorten bar hours and put some restrictions in place. We'll see. It's just a hunch.


Added later: He's requesting that bars stop selling hooch at 10 and consumption ends at 11. That's a token gesture if I ever saw one.

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

I think Ohio's governor might shut down bars and restaurants in a few minutes. At the very least, I expect him to shorten bar hours and put some restrictions in place. We'll see. It's just a hunch.

Added later: He's requesting that bars stop selling hooch at 10 and consumption ends at 11. That's a token gesture if I ever saw one.
Well, if I buy at 10 and have to stop at 11 that is just one more reason to never visit Ohio.

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Well, if I buy at 10 and have to stop at 11 that is just one more reason to never visit Ohio.
Hey, we still allow alcohol delivery, though. That kept me sane during the lockdown.
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Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

I remember a discussion where I said in a major catastrophe I'd choose to follow the rambos over the intellectuals. My reasoning was that 'go there, do that now, avoid that at all costs' was better advice in an crisis than 'let's talk this through and see what our options are and examine each of those options point by point'.
I'm with you on this one, Kay. "Stay home, wear a mask, avoid crowded indoor gatherings at all costs" has been the rambo message I've been hearing since March.

Seems like half the country thinks rambo is just being a pussy.

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Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

- makes it sound like 'it's out of control'.
Do you think it's under control?

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Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

Well, if I buy at 10 and have to stop at 11 that is just one more reason to never visit Ohio.
Another reason is that Dan Riffle lives here.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

That's a myth. They shrunk heads to make them easier to ship. When you received your head, you just added water, and it swelled up to its normal size.

I see you added too much water.
Yours must have had an Olympic sized swimming pools worth added.

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I thought it was just feline pets who were at risk. It looks like dogs and more then two dozen other animals are too.

Buddy, the first dog to test positive for COVID-19 in the US, has died


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bu...ed/ar-BB17ncOY


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29/50 States (58%) - out of control.
10/50 States (20%) - trending poorly
6/50 States (12%) - Caution Warranted
5/50 States (10%) - Trending Better



Media reporting about it being out of control, is pretty damn accurate. Denialism of this will ensure that it never gets under control.

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The Karma Bus just keeps on rolling over anyone and everyone who gets in its way.

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

Hey, we still allow alcohol delivery, though. That kept me sane during the lockdown.

Probably saved lives and endangered a few.


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Buddy had lymphoma, lab results confirmed the day of his death. That could have explained some of his symptoms. It also could have made him more vulnerable to contracting the coronavirus, though that may never be known for sure.

Posting the info above so people don't start dumping their pets out of fear of covid-19 transmission (yes, people do things like that). A dog with cancer has little immunity - and dogs seldom survive lymphoma.


One thing I've noticed is that many 'recovering' patients leaving hospitals after weeks in ICU or on ventilators appear to be overweight. If that is the case after weeks of illness - was that a factor in the illness initially?


A friend and her husband decided to 'fight back' - both were obese to some extent. In the past 3 months they have lost a combined weight of over 90 lbs - diet combined with exercise meant to increase their strength, improve their health, boost immune systems. I'm impressed with what they have accomplished.

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Posting the info above so people don't start dumping their pets out of fear of covid-19 transmission (yes, people do things like that). A dog with cancer has little immunity - and dogs seldom survive lymphoma.


One thing I've noticed is that many 'recovering' patients leaving hospitals after weeks in ICU or on ventilators appear to be overweight. If that is the case after weeks of illness - was that a factor in the illness initially?


A friend and her husband decided to 'fight back' - both were obese to some extent. In the past 3 months they have lost a combined weight of over 90 lbs - diet combined with exercise meant to increase their strength, improve their health, boost immune systems. I'm impressed with what they have accomplished.
Hey...thanks for that!
I never even considered that as a possibility because in my family animals are equal to children.


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earlier i was frustated about this pandemic, It was the first month of my startup. I started my cloth store. I was really felt like its all over, Then I heard about selling online. It was hard to process all with less it knowledge. However with the help of some friends I build a good shopify store with all my items. Its been 3 months now I am up and running with an avaerahe 500$ income per month.

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earlier i was frustated about this pandemic, It was the first month of my startup. I started my cloth store. I was really felt like its all over, Then I heard about selling online. It was hard to process all with less it knowledge. However with the help of some friends I build a good shopify store with all my items. Its been 3 months now I am up and running with an avaerahe 500$ income per month.
Good on you. Mean that in a good way.

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One thing I've noticed is that many 'recovering' patients leaving hospitals after weeks in ICU or on ventilators appear to be overweight. If that is the case after weeks of illness - was that a factor in the illness initially?
Obesity is a real problem for Covid patients. Mostly because obesity usually means other problems as well...poor circulation, poor endurance, a laboring heart, labored breathing, and poor health because of poor diet.

And old people can be fat without being obese. If they don't exercise at all, even if they don't gain weight, their muscles atrophy, fat gets infused in their muscles and heart, and they have many of the same problems as the obese.

So exercise, even going for long walks, helps quite a lot.

My brother-in-law...still hanging on by a thread....has been very sedentary for the last year. Overweight and a heart and lungs not used to exertion....a bad combination.

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Originally Posted by hsvdm View Post

earlier i was frustated about this pandemic, It was the first month of my startup. I started my cloth store. I was really felt like its all over, Then I heard about selling online. It was hard to process all with less it knowledge. However with the help of some friends I build a good shopify store with all my items. Its been 3 months now I am up and running with an avaerahe 500$ income per month.

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Manila hopped on the Re-Open Train and now back on Full Lock Down

One plus one equals 2 has somehow been lost in this era.
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This is really starting to change the whole perspective of our lifes.
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This is really starting to change the whole perspective of our lifes.
Starting? That horse has already bolted.

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[QUOTE=whateverpedia;11614418]Starting? That horse has already bolted.[/QUOTE
It is true the horse is already bolted but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. Oxford university are already in the final stage trying the vaccine that promises to restore the world to normalcy
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This is really starting to change the whole perspective of our lifes.
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Starting? That horse has already bolted.
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It is true the horse is already bolted but there is some light at the end of the tunnel. Oxford university are already in the final stage trying the vaccine that promises to restore the world to normalcy
Regardless if a vaccine is developed or not "That horse has already bolted" is entirely true. A vaccine will not cure the virus as Dr. Fauci and many other authorities recently pointed out because the virus and its mutations will spread, i.e. there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I tend to follow the U.S. authority.

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there is no light at the end of the tunnel

That's a defeatist answer. This will pass - eventually. Meanwhile, we can be glad the death rate is far less than the "10% or more" predicted by 'experts' in April/May. At this time it appears to be about 1.6%.


The Gov of Ohio tested positive - then tested negative. I've yet to see percentages of false positives and false negatives for the various tests.


Just talked to a riding friend. She drives a school bus part time and will return to work next week. Kids/parents have the option of using the internet school or in person classes. Whichever choice they make will BE the school they attend for this full semester. This allows families to make decisions based on the parents work as well as needs of the kids.


One thing I've not seen mentioned is that for too many children, being at school is safer than being at home. Whether it's a bad neighborhood, abuse or neglect...or not enough to eat...often it's teachers in school that notice when a child needs help.

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That's a defeatist answer. This will pass - eventually. Meanwhile, we can be glad the death rate is far less than the "10% or more" predicted by 'experts' in April/May. At this time it appears to be about 1.6%.


One thing I've not seen mentioned is that for too many children, being at school is safer than being at home. Whether it's a bad neighborhood, abuse or neglect...or not enough to eat...often it's teachers in school that notice when a child needs help.
well it is a realistic answer verse a defeatist one ..we should accept that we can be wrestling with this for years .. the virus and the economic fall out .... the 1.6 percent is not a nice number when we get into the 50 million 100 million or more range of infections ..that could easily happen over the next year .. but it could go down to 1 percent as we get faster testing more widely available ..

as for the school system 20 percent of school age children are obese ..many are alread pre diabetic or have type 2 diabetes ..we will get to see if this little beast of a virus doesn't manage to mutate again so it finds some way to effect children ..

the virus is here it will continue to spread ..we need to start figuring out an economy that doesn't count non coruna virus suddenly becomeing a non problem and getting a v shaped recovery from it. .
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That's a defeatist answer. This will pass - eventually.
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As much as I hope you are right Kay I respectfully disagree as I tend to follow Dr. Fauci's expert analysis. He is privy to leading vaccine expert's research that were close to a vaccine only to be thwarted owed to mutations (plural) resulting in vaccines that prove to be ineffective.

A big part of COOVID 19 is applying a vaccine to humans (treatment) only to have the COVID 19 virus mutate and a specific vaccine for it is not available.

False positives? Still too early at this stage for definitive analysis are some treatments that first appeared to be successful and eventually found that the virus mutated and is dormant (as in a deep sleep) until such time the body weakens and the mutation becomes active. At that stage a new vaccine is required and back to the drawing board.

Have you heard of cases that mammals were found frozen in ice and scientists hoped to clone them? One argument against the idea is.. we may very well introduce an unknown ancient virus to the modern world and there is no vaccine immediately available. That is why some countries prohibit the cloning. Also why some countries do not prohibit the cloning.

Like I said.. I hope you are right.

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This is really starting to change the whole perspective of our lifes.

i agree .
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Have you heard of cases that mammals were found frozen in ice and scientists hoped to clone them? One argument against the idea is.. we may very well introduce an unknown ancient virus to the modern world and there is no vaccine immediately available.
Who knows what nasties will be unleashed upon the world as the permafrost melts.

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The Gov of Ohio tested positive - then tested negative. I've yet to see percentages of false positives and false negatives for the various tests.
One doctor being asked about this said that the tests give a false negative far more often than a false positive. Another doctor said they are about even.

Anyway, he should get tested again, to be sure.

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That's a defeatist answer. This will pass - eventually. Meanwhile, we can be glad the death rate is far less than the "10% or more" predicted by 'experts' in April/May. At this time it appears to be about 1.6%.
There are no experts on what will happen months from now. And I remember hearing, from the CDC a death rate of about 2% back then. I think it was 2% even back in March,when we had very few cases.

And my guess is that the death rate will eventually get below 1% because people are getting tested that don't require hospitalization. And at first, the only people being tested were the very sick and people in very high risk groups (like doctors and nurses)

I do remember hearing estimates that eventually maybe 60% of the entire population would get the virus. But who knows?

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I believe this pandemic would prove that the human race could survive with their heart to help others, and not selfishness.

Share and help others that needed in your neighborhood and also keep dig for insight on the opportunity to sell products or services that people most demanding at this time at a reasonable price.

In that way, we could see in the future that this Covid19 would be just another common disease in the future.

My pray for those in there that affected, hope all could be recovered soon.

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I believe this pandemic would prove that the human race could survive with their heart to help others, and not selfishness.
Gotta say, this makes sense.

It's pretty clear at this point that we don't need a vaccine to beat this.

All it would literally take is for humans to come together by staying apart for a little while and wear a mask. This thing would quickly become manageable and daily life would largely return to normal (as normal as things are right now without the virus).

The virus isn't hurting us. We are.

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All it would literally take is for humans to come together by staying apart for a little while and wear a mask. This thing would quickly become manageable and daily life would largely return to normal (as normal as things are right now without the virus).
I believe that this is completely true.
I believe that the vast majority of people are loving, giving, fair minded adults that want to help each other.

We don't need to change that. We already have that.

But my experience is also that the vast majority of people cannot hold a rational thought in their head. Their tribal identity gets in the way of every solution.

It's why we have highly educated, highly intelligent people...that firmly believe that masks are either worthless, or part of a terrorist plot. These are loving, kind, giving people.

But if we are depending on people to think rationally about solving this pandemic. we are in for a long...long wait.

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All it would literally take is for humans to come together by staying apart for a little while and wear a mask. This thing would quickly become manageable and daily life would largely return to normal (as normal as things are right now without the virus).

The virus isn't hurting us. We are.
I don't understand this. Didn't the majority of the US do this for a couple of months already?

So, did it for 2 months. Didn't work. Doesn't that mean the 14-day incubation/quarantine thing may be off?

Shutdown for how long? How will people get food without being around other people?

You cannot shut down everything. You got to have hospitals and food and electric and police, etc.

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I don't understand this. Didn't the majority of the US do this for a couple of months already?

So, did it for 2 months. Didn't work. Doesn't that mean the 14-day incubation/quarantine thing may be off?
No. The "Shutdown" in the US was about half the businesses. And less than half the people wore masks. That was during the shutdown.

That's why it didn't work in the US...and it did work in other countries. In other countries, if you were told to wear a mask, you wore a mask. Here, it's considered a tribal statement.

If everyone interacting with others wore a mask, even a lousy bandanna.....this whole pandemic would shrink to almost nothing...just like it did in most other countries.

It's not the "Shutdown" that works. It's wearing masks that works. Masks and washing hands often. There are lots of other countries that are handling this just fine (after the initial surges in cases). In our country, we just keep gathering in masses...without masks.

That's why this won't just go away.

You can shop and walk around as much as we want, and not spread the virus..if you just wear the damn mask....and avoid people who don't.

In the local paper today.....In a small town right next to ours, an idiot was tested positive...and went to church anyway. Now 71 people in the church have it. Like a bomb going off. I wonder how many will come to my store without a mask?

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I don't understand this. Didn't the majority of the US do this for a couple of months already?
No. The majority of the US did NOT do this. They still do NOT do this. Which is why the majority of the US is still a mess.

Some states did do this. Including NY, which was first and hardest to be hit. And we shut down, and social distanced, and almost everyone put on a mask, and now we're much, much better. I go to work in the office several times a week, and my youngest will be going back to high school 2 and 3 days a week (alternating weeks), and I'm OK with that. My best buddy went back to his bar tending job last week. Things are starting to look a little more normal (except for all the stores out of business).

The majority of the country however wants to skip the whole shutting down and wear a mask thing, and go straight back to roller coasters and motorcycle rallies.

It isn't going to work like that.


Added: Seriously Mark? You seriously believe the majority of the US properly shut down, wore masks and socially distanced for 2 months, at any point since Feb or March?

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No. The "Shutdown" in the US was about half the businesses. And less than half the people wore masks. That was during the shutdown.

That's why it didn't work in the US...and it did work in other countries. In other countries, if you were told to wear a mask, you wore a mask. Here, it's considered a tribal statement.

If everyone interacting with others wore a mask, even a lousy bandanna.....this whole pandemic would shrink to almost nothing...just like it did in most other countries.

It's not the "Shutdown" that works. It's wearing masks that works. Masks and washing hands often. There are lots of other countries that are handling this just fine (after the initial surges in cases). In our country, we just keep gathering in masses...without masks.
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That's why this won't just go away.
That's why this won't just go away eventually or in the near future.

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You can shop and walk around as much as we want, and not spread the virus..if you just wear the damn mask....and avoid people who don't.
True. Consider school kids. Kids will be kids. Many of them are returning to school in three stages. In my county they start the second stage tomorrow and will complete the third stage at the end of next week.

My sources tell me that a small percentage of the kids are hiding at break times and sharing cigarettes, drugs and even sex without masks.

Then they take it home.

Stage three.. end of next week.

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In the local paper today.....In a small town right next to ours, an idiot was tested positive...and went to church anyway. Now 71 people in the church have it. Like a bomb going off. I wonder how many will come to my store without a mask?
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Thousands of people from all around the country went to an annual motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota just this week for 10 days/nights of fun,food, riding, music, drinking, shopping, camping, concerts, bike shows, races, bikini contests, tattoo contests, etc. No social distancing nor mask in sight. A typical comment, is "If we get it, we chose to be here."

This may not end well for many, many people when they go home and reality sets in.

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Added: Seriously Mark? You seriously believe the majority of the US properly shut down, wore masks and socially distanced for 2 months, at any point since Feb or March?
Even though I'm an American, I live overseas and haven't been back the last few months due to our good friend. So, I'm basing my opinion on the news stories showing empty streets, my family's situation, what we did with our company, etc.

I guess you are saying all the empty street stories were all a lie. All the businesses everywhere have been opened as normal. Schools have been opened as normal. Churches have been in session. Restaurants and bars have had no limitations or closings. Sports have continued as normal. No one extra has been working from home since everything is normal. True? The point is just how hard do you want to lock things down more than what's been done? 14 days should do it according to the scientists.

What I do know, though, is that where I live there was NO social distancing and while many wore masks, many more did not. That combination = one of the lowest number of cases and death (7 dead total) in the world.

How is that explained?

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Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

Even though I'm an American, I live overseas and haven't been back the last few months due to our good friend. So, I'm basing my opinion on the news stories showing empty streets, my family's situation, what we did with our company, etc.

I guess you are saying all the empty street stories were all a lie. All the businesses everywhere have been opened as normal. Schools have been opened as normal. Churches have been in session. Restaurants and bars have had no limitations or closings. Sports have continued as normal. No one extra has been working from home since everything is normal. True? The point is just how hard do you want to lock things down more than what's been done? 14 days should do it according to the scientists.

What I do know, though, is that where I live there was NO social distancing and while many wore masks, many more did not. That combination = one of the lowest number of cases and death (7 dead total) in the world.

How is that explained?

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We closed businesses and schools. But that didn't stop people from having parties, shopping in what stores were open, meeting with friends, etc. And, in the beginning, we were explicitly told not to wear masks -- not so we could save them for first responders and frontline workers -- but because they didn't do anything.

Then they opened things up and took an aboutface on the masks. Now, some of us knew all along that masks were the right choice. However, you can't pull that kind of switcheroo on a populace and expect the people to believe you. So, now have dunderschmidts who think it's all conspiracy.

So, in summation, we shut down the economy, yes, but we didn't truly shutdown the populace. So, we destroyed the economy and still got overrun by the virus.

If the government told everyone, "look, go to the grocery and buy what food, medications, and toilet paper you need for 3 weeks because come Friday you aren't allowed out of your house," we'd see a materially significant reduction in COVID.

But we know that will never happen. And it wouldn't end COVID anyway. New reports are that it's very like that numerous animal species are likely asymptomatic carriers. We're never getting rid of COVID. All we can do is hope for a vaccine and manage the virus down to manageable outbreaks.

Can I explain why Taiwan or wherever you live only has 7 deaths. No. My guess is very limited testing or the government is misreporting the numbers.
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Even though I'm an American, I live overseas and haven't been back the last few months due to our good friend. So, I'm basing my opinion on the news stories showing empty streets, my family's situation, what we did with our company, etc.
Not sure what news you're watching, but maybe they've got the Internets available where ever you're staying?

Have they told you Disney World is open? Seen the pictures of the Georgia schools that are back in session? Any word make it to you of this motorcycle rally that's taking place in South Dakota (not that state's only recent rally).

Does this sound like a country that's trying to avoid coronavirus like... the plague?

Yeah, apparently we need to revise that silly old saying.

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Thousands of people from all around the country went to an annual motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota just this week for 10 days/nights of fun,food, riding, music, drinking, shopping, camping, concerts, bike shows, races, bikini contests, tattoo contests, etc. No social distancing nor mask in sight. A typical comment, is "If we get it, we chose to be here."

This may not end well for many, many people when they go home and reality sets in.
I missed this post before I posted. They're expecting 250,000 attendees (half of last year's attendance numbers).

Quarter of a million mask-less party-goers packed into a small town (population 7,000) for over a week.

Good times.

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Business 101 says "Follow the Money"
COVID-19 says "Follow the Breathing"

In the minute it took me to write this post.. someone died of Covid 19. RIP.
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Not sure what news you're watching, but maybe they've got the Internets available where ever you're staying?
The Internets? What's that? We use our high speed 56K dial up modems just fine. The news I watch must be much different than that available in the states: ABC, CNN, Fox, etc.

Have they told you Disney World is open?
Yes the carrier pigeon finally got us news. By my abacus counting, they were closed for 116 days. Is that not long enough for you?

Seen the pictures of the Georgia schools that are back in session?
Yes, the smoke signals came in yesterday. But weren't they closed for 2-3 months? Is that not long enough for you?

Any word make it to you of this motorcycle rally that's taking place in South Dakota (not that state's only recent rally).
Yes, I heard about that but I've been focusing on all the other "rallies" and gatherings that all seem to be justified. If one mass gathering is bad, they all are.

Does this sound like a country that's trying to avoid coronavirus like... the plague?
It sounds like a country that mostly locked down for 2-3 months. It also sounds like a country where many people don't have food to eat if they don't work. Got to balance these two things.

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