[Kay King]

A neighbor reported his business is booming now. He has a security business that installs systems for homes and businesses and provides monitoring, too.


He has not advertised since January - says he can't handle more than he's doing now. Calls to add new systems, upgrade systems, convert to monitored systems, add cameras to entrances, etc.



Innovative sales approach I read about today:

The Rotunden market in Hellerup, Denmark, has instituted a creative pricing model for its hand sanitizer in an effort to discourage folks from hoarding the in-demand item during the coronavirus pandemic....the shop is charging 40 DKK per bottle (around $5.75), but 1000 DKK per bottle ($143) for anyone planning on buying more than one.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by savidge4

In my late night desire to know more...

3m has DOUBLED production across all of their plants world wide for masks. that new number is 1.1 Billion masks per year. So that means that 3M last year for all intensive purposes made 555 Million masks last year Keep in mind this is a WORLD production number.

Basically what is happening is Demand is out reaching supply, and the ability to meet demand. Throw in the interesting variable that it is estimated that 25% of the masks that were held in federal reserve maybe expired or close to expired ( they have a 5 to 6 yr shelf life before the material and elastic bands start to break down )

3.5 Billion masks seems to be the average inventory max that occurs here in the States. Seems to be about 25% N95 masks and 75% of the less form fitting "Surgical Masks"

This is the number that works every other year... So its not that the system Failed - I don't think by any stretch of the imagination.. I think the system was flat out over whelmed and there is not a dang thing any amount of fore warning could have done to make this better.

The Feds are saying they are going to increase the amount of items held in National reserve. the number of masks slated over the next 18 month to be purchased is 500 million.

Insert that number ( 500 Million reserve masks ) into the current scenario... and it still would have not been enough.

What has failed us is not so much the system... but the "required" tight pockets of publicly traded industry - that cant show the expense increase simply having more inventory on hand.

So who is to blame.. private industry... state then local govt.. and in the end the Feds will clean it all up.. but I think moving forward many a thing will change from here on out.

i have been in some kind of manufacturing or distribution most of my adult working life ..and 3m probably only has the equipment and the trained staff to double normal production ..the assemply lines and supply line to make the masks where built are built on normal demand ..so they can ramp up prudction but their suppliers have to ramp up production of the parts or materials that go into the masks ..

nothing has failed us at this point supply side wise but the fact it seems very few people grasp or undand the just in time nature of the supply chain ,,

3m also had or has deal to only sell the registered masks to distributors by contract ... who are then turning around and selling the maks for a 900 percent higher price than they where 3 weeks ago .

the economy is shut down so we can catch up and ramp up production of masks and other ppe .. convert or created the icu bed needed to treat those that get really sick ..and get medicine into production to help the fight as we figure out wich to use ,

in a week or two the economy will slowly start to be turned back on .. a hospital bed and ppe get into the hands of medical professionals on the front lines .. the medicine will be a little slower .. but the trials are going on around the world ..

the store shelves are recovering from a surge in demand ... and the supply lines are catching up .. and the people who where trying to profit from hoarding got shut down .

now as we catch up the production of the medical supplies steps also need to be taken to prevent further profiteering ..that will cost lives .. whit the medical supply part of this

[myob]

Originally Posted by Kay King

A neighbor reported his business is booming now. He has a security business that installs systems for homes and businesses and provides monitoring, too.

Home businesses, network marketing, and ecommerce are doing well in this rapidly changing work culture.

For investors, dominant tech companies (home entertainment, video conferencing, virtual offices, productivity apps, etc) are poised for unprecedented exponential growth in the remote work arena, and currently stock prices are a bargain. Some sectors already are showing signs of early recovery.

[kenmichaels]

As a parent this is horrifying.

A 12-year-old coronavirus patient 'fighting for her life' had no preexisting conditions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...cid=spartandhp


IMO, The below should have been put out louder - this is the first I'm hearing of it.


On March, 18, the World Health Organization cautioned parents to prepare to safeguard their children against the coronavirus. Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, cited the study that was released a day earlier.

"What we need to prepare for is the possibility that children can also experience severe disease," Kerkhove told reporters.

[paslore]

we need to calm down

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

As a parent this is horrifying.

A 12-year-old coronavirus patient 'fighting for her life' had no preexisting conditions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...cid=spartandhp


IMO, The below should have been put out louder - this is the first I'm hearing of it.


On March, 18, the World Health Organization cautioned parents to prepare to safeguard their children against the coronavirus. Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, cited the study that was released a day earlier.

"What we need to prepare for is the possibility that children can also experience severe disease," Kerkhove told reporters.

It depends on the health of the individual, had they had flu before for example and developed antibodies to fight it. It could be they had never had anything before other than a cold perhaps, so had a weaker disposition than many other kids. There is going to be a few like that.

Some more stats that would be interesting to see. Is the chronicling of the amount of infections the same percentage as if you chronicled flu infections in the flu season, IE, is it about the same in it's virulence/spread or more so. The figures I gave earlier on the flu included taking into account that there was a vaccine in place. It showed the amount of people who had got it, vaccine or no vaccine,

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

It depends on the health of the individual, had they had flu before for example and developed antibodies to fight it. It could be they had never had anything before other than a cold perhaps, so had a weaker disposition than many other kids. There is going to be a few like that.

Some more stats that would be interesting to see. Is the chronicling of the amount of infections the same percentage as if you chronicled flu infections in the flu season, IE, is it about the same in it's virulence/spread or more so. The figures I gave earlier on the flu included taking into account that there was a vaccine in place. It showed the amount of people who had got it, vaccine or no vaccine,

Who cares why at this point.

I dunno what you consider a few, but just so you know...I think
6% becoming critical of 1.7 million (The CDC's USA mortality prediction) is a lot of children.

The CDC says its more. I'm sure you can find links if you want to.

When all of this first started, there were articles on - dark web - that said children and young people where dying in Wuhan from a mysterious disease. When those articles started disappearing as fast as they went up, that's when I started paying attention. When Italy wasn't screaming that all the kids were dying I breathed a sigh of relief. Now, I'm wondering if that was premature.


"There are several projections on how many patients might flood U.S. hospitals. In a report on a moderate flu pandemic, the U.S. projected 200,000 Americans would need the most extreme level of care: a bed in a hospital intensive care unit. If the pandemic worsens to levels of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, 2.9 million would need ICU care, according to a CDC report.

The CDC's worst-case-scenario envisions up to 210 million Americans infected by December. An estimated 21 million people would need hospital care and 200,000 to 1.7 million could die by the end of the year. "

And that's before the hospitals run out of supplies while getting inundated and start triaging anyone over 60 to a death sentence.

AND the reports suggest that this will take 18 months. Two weeks?
Ha - maybe IF they did things when they should have.


Hey lanfear63, chew on this a bit, it might answer some questions for you.

U.S Department of Health and Human Services 2017 Pandemic Influenza Plan

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ort-2017v2.pdf

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I concur. Strong, decisive action is needed today. Compassion is needed tomorrow. I'd rather have fall out than failure.

The ankle biter is driving everyone CRAZY. He's soooooo cooped up. We try to get him outside, but he's used to going to preschool, the library, the park, etc. He's going nucking futs...and it's contagious.

Four? Yeah man, that's a fun age.

I take my kid everywhere out in nature that I can, as often as I can.


Since you take him for walks... Get a nice sized cardboard box with a real top that he can easily take on and off. (Not a flap box) and then help him decorate it.

Make sure you put his name and "Treasure Box" on it.

Now when he finds pretty shells, rocks or whatever strikes his fancy he has a place to store those treasures AND you both get some great memories.

My kid is close to eleven now and he still puts stuff in it. At four he was putting things like pine cones, feathers, shells, and scraps. Last year a Valentine day card from a girl he likes wound up in the box.

[Dan Riffle]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Four? Yeah man, that's a fun age.

I take my kid everywhere out in nature that I can, as often as I can.


Since you take him for walks... Get a nice sized cardboard box with a real top that he can easily take on and off. (Not a flap box) and then help him decorate it.

Make sure you put his name and "Treasure Box" on it.

Now when he finds pretty shells, rocks or whatever strikes his fancy he has a place to store those treasures AND you both get some great memories.

My kid is close to eleven now and he still puts stuff in it. At four he was putting things like pine cones, feathers, shells, and scraps. Last year a Valentine day card from a girl he likes wound up in the box.

We already do a version of this. Some of our walks are designated treasure hunts. He gets to collect a pine cone, a rock, a stick, and a leaf, but only one of each. He puts those in a box in the garage.

Yesterday, he was playing with one of my poker table chairs (the kind that spin) while my wife was cleaning. He spun it as hard as he could and took the chair arm to the side of the head and split his head open. We had to go to STAT Care for staples. And that's probably how the Riffle family will end up with the virus...

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

We already do a version of this. Some of our walks are designated treasure hunts. He gets to collect a pine cone, a rock, a stick, and a leaf, but only one of each. He puts those in a box in the garage.

Yesterday, he was playing with one of my poker table chairs (the kind that spin) while my wife was cleaning. He spun it as hard as he could and took the chair arm to the side of the head and split his head open. We had to go to STAT Care for staples. And that's probably how the Riffle family will end up with the virus...

This will sound like BS, but I promise it's the truth.

My mother and two neighbor ladies used to make sure they
were dressed and ready to take turns driving to the hospital every weekend.

My mom, the mother of 4 boys took the brunt of that.

You are only getting started. Twice now I thought my kid broke something.
Both times involved falling out of a tree.

He thinks he climbs like a monkey. In real life (so far) hes a clutz.

[whateverpedia]

I can't remember who it was, but earlier in the thread someone repeated the claim by a "very famous person" that the virus would fade away as the Northern Hemisphere summer kicks in.

If anyone, including the "very famous person", claims this again you must shout out loud and clear to them a scientific term. That term is "BOLLOCKS!"

Here in Australia it's still a lot warmer than a lot of places in the Northern Hemisphere will get even in high summer. The virus is spreading exponentially just as it is in the Northern Hemisphere.

Warm weather will not, I repeat not(!), make the virus fade away.

[whateverpedia]

In breaking news that will come as a surprise to no-one, the Tokyo Olympics have been postponed until 2021.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...virus-pandemic

[pcalvert]

Originally Posted by trevordd

Do you think that some supplements and vitamins can help you be stronger against corona? I think it is good for your immunity...

Yes, but it's not just about strengthening one's immune system. Some supplements -- especially some herbs -- are known to possess antiviral properties.

[myob]

Originally Posted by pcalvert

Yes, but it's not just about strengthening one's immune system. Some supplements -- especially some herbs -- are known to possess antiviral properties.

Feds have warned there is no known herbal remedy to protect against the coronovirus. Several companies have been cited by the FDA for making such fraudulent claims.

[Claude Whitacre]

Well, here we are, folks...

So far (03/24/2020) there are 401,804 total cases worldwide. Meaning that many tested positive.

We are starting to see the back end of this, the results of this virus. We are seeing what is happening to these cases.

For example, 103,756 have recovered.

And 17,501 have died.

I keep reading about 3% fatality rates. But if 103,756 are better and 17,501 died, that's not 3%.

If we know the results of 121,256 infections (103,756 and 17,501)...the math shows a nearly 16% of the people who have gone through this have died.

Good Lord, I hope this isn't true. If anyone can tell me how this is wrong, I would love to know. What am I missing?

Here's where I got the figures.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[myob]

According to my math with the given numbers I got 4%. (Deaths divided by total infections worldwide).

[Frank Donovan]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

What am I missing?

All I'd point out is that any percentage deaths figure is based on the number of reported cases. There must be countless more unreported - either because the symptoms have been milder or not yet materialised.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Well, here we are, folks...

So far (03/24/2020) there are 401,804 total cases worldwide. Meaning that many tested positive.

We are starting to see the back end of this, the results of this virus. We are seeing what is happening to these cases.

For example, 103,756 have recovered.

And 17,501 have died.

I keep reading about 3% fatality rates. But if 103,756 are better and 17,501 died, that's not 3%.

If we know the results of 121,256 infections (103,756 and 17,501)...the math shows a nearly 16% of the people who have gone through this have died.

Good Lord, I hope this isn't true. If anyone can tell me how this is wrong, I would love to know. What am I missing?

Here's where I got the figures.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If your wrong - then I'm wrong ...and have been the entire time.

For once I have been hoping I'm wrong.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

All I'd point out is that any percentage deaths figure is based on the number of reported cases. There must be countless more unreported - either because the symptoms have been milder or not yet materialised.

and ill point out that there is also a report saying 10k + dead in the middle east and
that Russia is and probably a lot of governments including the USA is purposely
mislabeling death certificates. So we might never really know.

absolute craziness.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Well, here we are, folks...

So far (03/24/2020) there are 401,804 total cases worldwide. Meaning that many tested positive.

We are starting to see the back end of this, the results of this virus. We are seeing what is happening to these cases.

For example, 103,756 have recovered.

And 17,501 have died.

I keep reading about 3% fatality rates. But if 103,756 are better and 17,501 died, that's not 3%.

If we know the results of 121,256 infections (103,756 and 17,501)...the math shows a nearly 16% of the people who have gone through this have died.

Good Lord, I hope this isn't true. If anyone can tell me how this is wrong, I would love to know. What am I missing?

Here's where I got the figures.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

From a link from the same source, here is is the mortality rate risk based on age from the Chinese authorities. The info is from Feb 11th. No reason to think it is not a representative statistic as to how the rest of the world will go. It is predominantly the elderly here in terms of risk of dying

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

All I'd point out is that any percentage deaths figure is based on the number of reported cases. There must be countless more unreported - either because the symptoms have been milder or not yet materialised.

Of course.

But even if these were the stats just of people that were hospitalized (which it isn't) a 16% fatality rate is some serious virus.

Today I closed my store.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Of course.

But even if these were the stats just of people that were hospitalized (which it isn't) a 16% fatality rate is some serious virus.

Today I closed my store.

Is that killing you or are you considering it a vaca?

If you like stats ...this link shows tests >
positive, negative, pending, hospitalizations and deaths per STATE.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

[Frank Donovan]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Of course.

But even if these were the stats just of people that were hospitalized (which it isn't) a 16% fatality rate is some serious virus.

Sure it is. I've just seen a report from the BBC that said 14% of the deaths in Spain were of health workers. Seems the spread caught many unprepared or under equipped.

Today I closed my store.

I don't blame you. In the UK most stores other than food and pharmacies are now closed or are about to.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Is that killing you or are you considering it a vaca?

If you like stats ...this link shows tests >
positive, negative, pending, hospitalizations and deaths per STATE.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

Ohio and Texas have some of the lowest figures.

[Odahh]

claude ..assume the numbers from china are wrong and just go with the numbers from the rest of the world..

the 3 percent comes from the figure from china but that is closer to 4 percent .

itally is running at about 10 percent death rate so far .and china is trying to say the virus must have started in itally .. iran is easily running 8 or nine percent death rate ,, with 2300 confirmed cases and 1900 dead


but south korea had 9000 cases and only 120 deaths .

[Kay King]

One concerning bit of info being spread in news today is that coronavirus is still found on the cruise ship that had so many cases early on. That is 17 DAYS after passengers left the ship. If true, not good news.


In my area the stores that are open - groceries, pharmacies, etc are allowing ONLY those over 60 to shop during the first hour of each day. Stores are being disinfected overnight so older customers not as likely to be exposed. We whine and complain but a lot of thought and effort is going into keep people as safe as possible.

[1Bryan]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Well, here we are, folks...

So far (03/24/2020) there are 401,804 total cases worldwide. Meaning that many tested positive.

We are starting to see the back end of this, the results of this virus. We are seeing what is happening to these cases.

For example, 103,756 have recovered.

And 17,501 have died.

I keep reading about 3% fatality rates. But if 103,756 are better and 17,501 died, that's not 3%.

If we know the results of 121,256 infections (103,756 and 17,501)...the math shows a nearly 16% of the people who have gone through this have died.

Good Lord, I hope this isn't true. If anyone can tell me how this is wrong, I would love to know. What am I missing?

Here's where I got the figures.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Look up selection bias. That's what's happening now. They are testing people that most likely have it. Which skews results. The data won't be accurate until it's over.

[savidge4]

So lets throw anyones ideas of these numbers off the deep end shall we?

The numbers from China are in every respect just false and in no way should be used in the measure of this disease. I will get into why here in a minute.

So the numbers we need to be looking at is Italy 64,000 with 6077 deaths and France with 22,304 and 1100 deaths. Even with these numbers that are far more accurate than the numbers from China. it is expected that the total number of known cases in Italy ( 64,000 ) is PROBABLY ( read here ) shy by an order of magnitude or 10X. So 640,000 and 6077 deaths.

France, I can say the numbers are represented the best that they can.. once you step outside of more populous areas, I am sure the count is skewed by I would suggest a order of Magnitude ( 10X ).

Now lets look at the United States... I can only speak for My home State.. West Virginia. At this point with very minimal exceptions the only people tested are those over the age of 60 OR those that are KNOWN to have been in contact. This is why my states numbers in terms of testing are so low.

Im not saying this is the case in all States.. but this is meeting CDC guidelines and I will assume more than half the States are following the same logic behind who is tested and who is not.

Then enter a State like NY that has pretty much mandated that you have to show symptoms and have been submitted in a hospital before you will get tested.. its very clear at this point the numbers are just straight up skewed.

So back to China. It is KNOWN that people that tested positive but showed no signs of sickness were not counted. People that have tested positive once ( and showed no signs ), and then were re-tested due to symptoms were not counted.

Now lets throw in the BIGGY... the big 3 in Chinas Tele Comm Co's have reported that there are 21 MILLION less cell Phone users compared to same time last month. From what I have read it is fairly easy to walk 5 Million out of that number - Death due to age etc. BUT, there is still 16 MILLION that are basically un explained.

Now let me ask you a question... In the rest of the world minus China there is this whole discussion of possible drugs to help contain this prior to a Vaccine. As in here in the States I believe there is a ramping up of a combo of meds placed into a pill that could be released in say a months time or so. WHY have we not heard of anything similar coming from China?

Dragonian Govt or not, China does NOT have the scientific ability to construct a drug. They can produce them all day long - scientifically research and develop one - apparently NOT A CHANCE

China is playing a very dangerous game and already putting in place an outlet for blame. AND they are playing this out under the "watchful" eyes of WHO ( that in my eyes are apparently as worthless as most other "World" organizations.

China is already setting the seed that the 2nd wave is coming from outside sources entering their country - THIS is the story they will tell their people - THAT story will not fly anywhere else in the world. I believe that China's Govt, is laying the planks and nails for the coffin it will be buried in.

The barriers have been lifted in the Hubai ( Wuhan ) region of China. In order for anyone to leave the area at this point they must self contain for 14 days once they reach their destination. In order to open the region to travel freely with the guidance of WHO ( World Health Organization ) there must be 0 ZERO reported cases for 14 days.

News leaks are suggesting the authorities are turning away the sick from hospitals - I can only imagine under Dragonian Authority there may be an amount of "cleansing".

As of WEDNESDAY the 14 days are up, the "60 Million" ( I am going to assume there are only 45 million now ) people of the Hubai Region will be free to travel. China's 2nd wave - which is modelled and projected to be worse than the first, is about to play out before us.

60 million were placed on lockdown to protect the world and the 1.4 BILLION Chinese Citizens - As I am writing this... it is now 6am In China - the dawn of probably the deadliest series of decisions in HUMAN history.

[myob]

Russia and Iran are at high risk, but there are no reliable stats either. Iran is not releasing true numbers, and Russia doesn't have a clue. The volume of testing is very low. The number of people infected with the virus is likely to be much higher than official figures, and there is some concern that Iran and Russia may be headed for the Italian scenario of a spike in heavy cases and fatalities.

[1Bryan]

Originally Posted by savidge4

Then enter a State like NY that has pretty much mandated that you have to show symptoms and have been submitted in a hospital before you will get tested.. its very clear at this point the numbers are just straight up skewed.

In NY, you have to have called your doctor and be exhibiting some symptoms. And the doctor has to want you to get tested.

Not hospitalization.

Edit: That's for my county, at least.

[savidge4]

Originally Posted by myob

Russia and Iran are at high risk, but there are no reliable stats either. Iran is not releasing true numbers, and Russia doesn't have a clue. The low volume of testing is very low. The number of people infected with the virus is much higher than official figures, and there is some concern that Iran and Russia may be headed for the Italian scenario of a spike in heavy cases and fatalities.

We are talking about Govt's with Maximum Dragonian Authority. I think Russia and Iran are already there - without question. Its been awful quiet in North Korea as of late, I wonder if there is anyone left?

Lets be honest in all 3 cases above they will shoot someone they suspect may have the disease before they would test them. Sad but true.

[IGotMine]

Its been awful quiet in North Korea as of late, I wonder if there is anyone left?

They're waiting for all you "experts" to hoard all the toilet paper on the planet before they nuke the remaining ignorant cowards.

Fear and ignorance, made up numbers, more fear and ignorance, build a new room to hold all your toilet paper and you'll be just fine!

FFS!

[myob]

Originally Posted by savidge4

Its been awful quiet in North Korea as of late, I wonder if there is anyone left?

North Korea has not publicly confirmed a single case of the COVID-19, but they blasted off two missile tests a couple days ago.

Not sure what impact that would have on the virus in the region, but experts say an epidemic in North Korea could have dire consequences due to the country’s poor health system and shortage of medical supplies.

[Kay King]

What we should be looking at is Japan - they have successfully prevented the virus from the rapid spread so many other countries are seeing.


We can't trust the numbers from Russia or Iran or many other countries - and it doesn't matter.

[savidge4]

Originally Posted by Kay King

What we should be looking at is Japan - they have successfully prevented the virus from the rapid spread so many other countries are seeing.

You have to pay attention to what they ( Japan ) are reporting: Cases by Prefecture

3 days ago they ( Japan ) were placed on the Lvl 3 or Non-Essencial travel advisory by the CDC.

Japan is ONLY reporting "Cases" and leaving out "Tested" this is the only article I could find with any kind of "Testing Data": ( https://japantoday.com/category/nati...on-of-capacity ) and that suggests 32,000 tests in the last 30 days or roughly 1200 a day. In an environment that could be doing 7500 a day - or at least has the capacity to.

Population numbers 126 million vs South Koreas 52 million suggests that South Korea is well into the 1% of population area and Japan appears to be at .0002% ( wow ) in terms of percentage of population tested. Japan and its prideful culture are very much relying on if they are not tested they are not counted - For a sense of National Pride ( this would be my personal understanding of the culture of Japan )

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Is that killing you or are you considering it a vaca?

Fear. This is the first time I have been afraid (more for my wife than myself) in my adult life, except for a few hours the day 9/11 happened.

We are staying at home, until this is under control enough in my state that I feel safer re-opening.

This virus is insidious. Long incubation periods before any symptoms....a very long length of illness, and attacking the respiratory system. In the US, I am convinced that we are at the beginning of this wave of serious infection.

Added later; I'm still working..wringing, editing...just not working the retail end of it. In a few weeks...or months...it will be open again.

Originally Posted by 1Bryan

Look up selection bias. That's what's happening now. They are testing people that most likely have it. Which skews results. The data won't be accurate until it's over.

That's why I was concentrating on the numbers of people that had already gone through it.

[Jeffery]

Gravitas: After coronavirus, a new disease kills one in China.. Hantavirus 9 hours ago

Gravitas: After coronavirus, a new disease kills...

Man dies from hantavirus in China; Resident holds Chinese regime accountable for CCP virus outbreak 1 hour ago

Man dies from hantavirus in China; Resident holds...

[MURADHOSSEN]

This viruses are very hampare our economical society

[savidge4]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Man dies from hantavirus in China; Resident holds Chinese regime accountable for CCP virus outbreak

Hantavirus is not new. It is commonly transmitted from rat or mouse urine and fecies The down side of "hey this is nothing new" - is in the States there is a 30% death rate.

An aspect of my business is buying bomb worthy properties and rehabbing. This requires Masks and Rubber gloves.. washing your hands and all of that stuff. Right now all of my gloves and masks have gone to my local fire and police dept.

At this point old people should not be out in public, and no one that is in construction should be working in the rehab aspect of construction without Gloves and Masks.

I have for the immediate future closed the construction / rehab efforts of my business.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by savidge4

Hantavirus is not new. It is commonly transmitted from rat or mouse urine and fecies The down side of "hey this is nothing new" - is in the States there is a 30% death rate.

An aspect of my business is buying bomb worthy properties and rehabbing. This requires Masks and Rubber gloves.. washing your hands and all of that stuff. Right now all of my gloves and masks have gone to my local fire and police dept.

At this point old people should not be out in public, and no one that is in construction should be working in the rehab aspect of construction without Gloves and Masks.

I have for the immediate future closed the construction / rehab efforts of my business.

In the video it also says that some people that tested positive for the Coronavirus, successfully treated and released are later testing positive all over again.

Also, people that survived the Coronavirus are now susceptible to other lesser viruses. It is not known and probably never will be known if the man that died of the Hantavirus was treated for the Coronavirus before he caught the Hantavirus.

Initially the Word Heath Organization (WHO) claimed there was no evidence that the Cronavirus was transmitted from human to human. We now know that is not true.

The White House Briefing announced that not enough data exists to be analyzed by the CDC to rule out that the original strain of the Coronavirus mutated to what is is today.

The same could be said of the Hintavirus if it mutates affecting people previously exposed and treated for the Cronavirus. The man that died of the Hintavirus was from Wuhan.

The second video also has more information about Japan. Apparently, people are committing suicide owed to the lock down and little to no response from medical authorities and little to no food. Some authorities are on T.V. saying that when they did visit the residences (apartments) of people that needed assistance they found entire families dead owed to the coronavirus. There is even a video of a woman standing on the outside edge of what appears to a bridge over the city street saying something to a camera crew like.. "What does it matter. I will die anyway." and then the shot goes off air.

The take away from all of this is bad.. People can catch the Cronavirus and survive it only to catch a "nothing new virus" and die owed to a weaker constitution caused by the Cronavirus.

[whateverpedia]

There are two things you can depend on happening in any crisis:

1) It brings out the worst in humanity (fist fights over toilet paper in supermarkets, etc.)
2) It brings the best in humanity, like this

Most of the major automakers and many other companies are stepping up to help produce more desperately-needed equipment like air purifiers and respirators, leading to some fascinating improvised quick engineering and design solutions.
...
Ford’s media arm sent out a press release detailing the efforts to design and build the PAPRs, a joint venture between Ford, 3M, GE Healthcare, and the UAW.

The job of a powered air-purifying respirator is to draw outside, possible virus—contaminated air into a filtration system before making it available for the person wearing it to breathe. Unlike passive filters like masks which rely on the wearer’s lungs to draw the air through a filter mesh, these powered respirators can enclose a person’s entire head in a hood and flood the hood with filtered air.

To do this means you need to have something that can actually draw the air in, which is why it’s powered, and that’s where the clever, car-part-related bits come in.
...
Ford is re-purposing seat-cooling squirrel-cage-type blower fans from F-150 trucks to pull in air through the filters and blow the air into the feeder hose for the hood. The 12V needed to drive the fan is provided by what looks to be a standard power tool battery pack, the kind you’d use in something like a power drill.

https://jalopnik.com/fords-quickly-d...tor-1842476673

[Kay King]

Whatty - that is so true


Also I've noticed some in the public will latch on to one fact and argue it to death when it has no relevance to begin with.


There is no need to FORCE large companies to help out - when so many of them quickly volunteered and stepped up to help out.

[Claude Whitacre]

I just talked to a local friendly competitor of mine. A nice family man.....and very right wing.

I told him I was closed, and asked if he was. He told me he closed because the Governor made it mandatory.

But then he asked "Do you know anyone who has the virus?" I said I didn't.

He asked "Do you know anyone who has tested positive?"

A chill went up my spine, because I knew where this was going.

He said "What's pretty suspicious, wouldn't you say?'

He went on to say that he thought it was all a hoax. A plot to bring down the Presidency.

I asked him if he thought all of New York was in on it, the CDC, the World Health Organisation, and every other country on Earth. It didn't matter. He is convinced it isn't real.

Even now. And our county just had it's first confirmed case, as a headline in the paper.

I'm afraid for these people. And I don't know who they are listening to. Very dangerous.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Fear. This is the first time I have been afraid (more for my wife than myself) in my adult life, except for a few hours the day 9/11 happened.

We are staying at home, until this is under control enough in my state that I feel safer re-opening.

This virus is insidious. Long incubation periods before any symptoms....a very long length of illness, and attacking the respiratory system. In the US, I am convinced that we are at the beginning of this wave of serious infection.

Added later; I'm still working..wringing, editing...just not working the retail end of it. In a few weeks...or months...it will be open again.



That's why I was concentrating on the numbers of people that had already gone through it.

Ok, Revised figures for the Flu in 2018/19 19 million got it, and 34,100 died from it.

Given that the Corona is no more Virulent than the flu, no evidence to suggest that as yet?

So, times that by 40 gives you 1,360.00 deaths. Divide that into the world population of 7.8 billion..

That means you have a one in 5,735,254 chance of getting Corona and dying from it.

Chances of dying in a car crash each year: one in 1.25 million

Hope that puts things into perspective and makes you feel better.

[myob]

There is a BIG difference between the coronavirus, the flu, and car crashes. This virus pandemic is rapidly spreading globally and nowhere near peaking. Testing is sporadic, so true infection figures potentially are far more than we know. It has already overwhelmed medical capacities in Italy, Spain, and potentially a catastrophe in major cities like New York. Minimizing this threat is not at all helpful.

[Kay King]

That means you have a one in 5,735,254 chance of getting Corona and dying from it.

You can't take one disease and extrapolate results of another and have any level of accuracy. Sort of like saying 'I sent out 10000 emails; if 10% open and read and if 5% click and 2% of those buy....I'll earn...something"

Current statistics show 2 deaths per one million people (US) currently from coronavus. Also in the US, only 181 cases/million occurring. Most of the cases (30,000+) are in New York. I'm not in New York - for which I am thankful.

In Italy, 1144 cases/million citizens -and 113 deaths per million.

We can quote numbers but it changes nothing as the spread of the virus is still accelerating. The numbers don't affect us personally - until they do.


I'd like to hear from WF members in INdia - the shut down there seems to be inducing some real panic...I've read that doctors and health care workers are being ostracized out of fear they may spread the virus. Is that true?

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Ok, Revised figures for the Flu in 2018/19 19 million got it, and 34,100 died from it.

Given that the Corona is no more Virulent than the flu, no evidence to suggest that as yet?

So, times that by 40 gives you 1,360.00 deaths. Divide that into the world population of 7.8 billion..

That means you have a one in 5,735,254 chance of getting Corona and dying from it.

Chances of dying in a car crash each year: one in 1.25 million

Hope that puts things into perspective and makes you feel better.

https://www.sciencealert.com/infecti...orst-in-us/amp

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Ok, Revised figures for the Flu in 2018/19 19 million got it, and 34,100 died from it.

Given that the Corona is no more Virulent than the flu, no evidence to suggest that as yet?

So, times that by 40 gives you 1,360.00 deaths. Divide that into the world population of 7.8 billion..

That means you have a one in 5,735,254 chance of getting Corona and dying from it.

Chances of dying in a car crash each year: one in 1.25 million

Hope that puts things into perspective and makes you feel better.

You changed the 1,360,000 to 1, 360.

So, assuming everything else on your post is right, means I have a one in 5,735 chance of getting it and dying. And that's assuming I am typical in age and health. But I'm not. I'm 65 years old, and my wife is 73. So we have a far higher chance of dying if we get it. But the same chance of getting it as anyone else.

But I don't know about whether the rest of your post is accurate or not.

If you had a gun with 100 chambers, and only one bullet...would you want to play Russian Roulette? That's why I'm concerned for my wife and myself.

The CDC is saying that, before this ends, maybe 40-60% of the country will get this.

As an average, my wife and I have about a 10% chance of this killing us. Or a 20% chance of it killing at least one of us.

That's serious. Today, I had two people call me saying their vacuum cleaner needs repaired. I felt bad saying that they needed to wait until this is over.

But dirt from someone else's vacuum cleaner is a breeding ground for all kinds of terrible things. So....Nope.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by myob

There is a BIG difference between the coronavirus, the flu, and car crashes. This virus pandemic is rapidly spreading globally and nowhere near peaking. It has already overwhelmed medical capacities in Italy, Spain, and potentially a catastrophe in major cities like New York. Minimizing this threat is not at all helpful.

Well let me know when it gets up to 19 million (flu figures). If it supasses that then we will have a much bigger problem.

And Whatty. If the flu was on a cruise ship it would probably be the same as to infections count.

The only fear is the 4 percent chance of dying as opposed to 0.01 percent with the flu.

You have a 96 percent chance of not dying, only a one in 5,735.254 of dying from it.

You are far more likely to get killed in a car crash.

I find that sobering.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

You have a 96 percent chance of not dying, only a one in 5,735.254 of dying from it.

You are far more likely to get killed in a car crash.

.

No. You do not have a 4% chance of dying in a car crash..in the next few months. And this virus is killing people for the next few months.