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I think it's the 'human' spirit.

Thanks to comments by claude (who went to the grocery) and ken (who said why did you do that?).....I placed my first ever order for groceries to be delivered.

I read their posts in this thread - then had two phone calls. Grandson in Vegas (Air Force) called to say he had symptoms so was just tested for covid-19. Second call to tell us an ex-brother-in-law (beloved uncle and good friend) is in ICU on ventilator - his first symptoms were 2 days ago.

Cancelled my planned trip to the grocery. I've been resistant to having groceries delivered ...but - local Kroger's has hired dozens of laid off workers as temp pick up and delivery employees. The fee helps a business - and a good tip helps someone trying to help themselves. win win


Edit: World cases are now over 1,000,000
I'm starting to get those calls myself. If you remember my family is in NY & NJ - in the actual hot spots.
Every night I watch Gov. Cuomo & Murphy and my heart sinks a little further. I'm the eternal optimist however I went to school, church and celebrated with some of those numbers on tv. (not knowing who yet is killing me) ...And the most screwed up part of it, when half of them called... they sounded more scared for me than for themselves ...and they tested positive.


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Gotta figure nuthin' ain't GOWIN' VIRAL no more aftah this.

Gonna be more like SHARED STUFF WE LOVE.

Don't take no frickin' psychic to figure we got a masterclass in BEFORE & AFTAH transformationals gowin' on rn

so we gotta get sweetah on all kindsa stuffs we passin' around between usselves.

rn we all commoonin' FROM AFAR where once we SO SWAMPED ON OUT WE DRANK ONE ANOTHER'S PEE.

Corona wants to kill us all out in its ignorance of athropomorphic supremacy (allied to its IRL viral credentials beyond WANTIN').

Which means virality as a metaphor for transmission stuff gonna help nowan prolly ovah.

Cos we gotta start up again aftah, right?

Same as always, but also different like we figured?

So ... we wastin' our time on crap ridin' so many asses it can't count straight.

Like all them way passionate social distancers back in JaneAustenLand said, "if I am to hug you close to my bosom, be assured that I would wish to share my passion with you, and you alone; it is no brazen lust cast into life's eternal beyond, here to ravage my soul ... aw, but c'mon can we plz jus' hold hands an' quit talkin' crap?"

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Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

I think it's the 'human' spirit.

Thanks to comments by claude (who went to the grocery) and ken (who said why did you do that?).....I placed my first ever order for groceries to be delivered.

I read their posts in this thread - then had two phone calls. Grandson in Vegas (Air Force) called to say he had symptoms so was just tested for covid-19. Second call to tell us an ex-brother-in-law (beloved uncle and good friend) is in ICU on ventilator - his first symptoms were 2 days ago.

Cancelled my planned trip to the grocery. I've been resistant to having groceries delivered ...but - local Kroger's has hired dozens of laid off workers as temp pick up and delivery employees. The fee helps a business - and a good tip helps someone trying to help themselves. win win

Edit: World cases are now over 1,000,000
For your personal security please consider this if you are alone when Kroger delivers.. in times like this the delivery person may maliciously target people alone at home.

In the minute it took me to write this post.. someone died of Covid 19. RIP.
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Honestly, I think that's less likely right now as so many people are at home. In my case, the lady who delivered is someone I recognized from the Kroger store - and we were never closer than 20 ft from each other. It was efficient and arrived right on time.



Looking at numbers today - we may have reached the 100k a day point....going to be a rough week for a lot of people.

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This is mandatory viewing for Volusia County Police & First Responders

It's also the best non geeky description of whats happening with Covid
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A little perspective...maybe.

As of now about 8,000 deaths in the US...

For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html
Time to get back to work and stop being scared...IMO.

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Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

A little perspective...maybe.

As of now about 8,000 deaths in the US...



For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention


Time to get back to work and stop being scared...IMO.

Influenza is always here. Every year, all year.

The differences are;

This is only the third month (or so) of a worldwide spread. It's at the beginning of an upward curve. We are just starting to see the deaths. Wait a few months.

With the flu, many are vaccinated, immune, or already had it. None of that is true with this virus. There are no immune people to stop the spread.

It spreads far faster than the flu. Not because it's easier to catch, but because instead of waiting a day to show symptoms, it takes about two weeks. Two weeks of spreading this virus, before you are too sick to go out.

Because there is no immunity, it affects the body far harder than the normal flu.

Use the figures you gave. About one in a thousand people that have the flu need to go to the hospital. Most of us never even call a doctor, it's so mild. And a few days later, we are better.

With this virus, it takes a couple of weeks to get sick, and another week to get really sick. And the average length of time it takes from going to the hospital and dying? Three weeks. This is a killer.

The death tolls are lagging several weeks, maybe a month behind the onset of symptoms. That's why the deaths are low compared to the number of people sick.

And based on the figures you gave, with the flu, if you are sick enough to be hospitalized, you have about a 7% chance of dying.

On this planet, so far this year...of the people that have been hospitalized....79% got better and 21% have died. That's the difference.

That's why states are shutting down businesses, events, and gatherings. That's why we are wearing masks if we have them. That's why we are staying at home.

In Ohio today there are 3,700 confirmed cases. But that means that these are the people that got tested. Most people with the virus haven't been tested. Most people don't know they have it yet.

Why am I concerned?

If my wife gets the flu, there is about a .1% chance of her dying. Every year she gets it. So do I. And a few days later we are better. And it's never frightened me.

If she gets this virus, there is about a 15% chance that she will die...slowly...agonizingly.

That's why it isn't business as usual with me.

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Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

A little perspective...maybe.

As of now about 8,000 deaths in the US...

For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html
Time to get back to work and stop being scared...IMO.
This looks real good on paper... I have to admit early on this was my line of thinking. HOWEVER... You have to keep in mind "Flu Season" this year started the 2nd week of October So basically the 23,000 deaths are across a 6 month period, and the 6,000 are only across a 2 month period.

IF the estimations are any where near correct and lets say only 1/2 way correct, I would suggest in the next week if not a bit more the Covid count will be greater than the Influenza count in 1/2 the time.

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This looks real good on paper... I have to admit early on this was my line of thinking. HOWEVER... You have to keep in mind "Flu Season" this year started the 2nd week of October So basically the 23,000 deaths are across a 6 month period, and the 6,000 are only across a 2 month period.

IF the estimations are any where near correct and lets say only 1/2 way correct, I would suggest in the next week if not a bit more the Covid count will be greater than the Influenza count in 1/2 the time.
i think the first death in the us was march 16 ..the horrible part of dieing from this ..is the families do not get to stand at the bedside and say goodbye..

but the biggest fear was tiage or just letting people die because to many people get sick at once ..and having no healthcare system left in a few months .

once we have an anti body test ..the other reason this spreads so fast might be that half the people who get it .. never get sick but are contagious for a few weeks ..
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Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

Time to get back to work and stop being scared...IMO.
Off you go then.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

Influenza is always here. Every year, all year.

The differences are;

This is only the third month (or so) of a worldwide spread. It's at the beginning of an upward curve. We are just starting to see the deaths. Wait a few months.

With the flu, many are vaccinated, immune, or already had it. None of that is true with this virus. There are no immune people to stop the spread.

It spreads far faster than the flu. Not because it's easier to catch, but because instead of waiting a day to show symptoms, it takes about two weeks. Two weeks of spreading this virus, before you are too sick to go out.

Because there is no immunity, it affects the body far harder than the normal flu.

Use the figures you gave. About one in a thousand people that have the flu need to go to the hospital. Most of us never even call a doctor, it's so mild. And a few days later, we are better.

With this virus, it takes a couple of weeks to get sick, and another week to get really sick. And the average length of time it takes from going to the hospital and dying? Three weeks. This is a killer.

The death tolls are lagging several weeks, maybe a month behind the onset of symptoms. That's why the deaths are low compared to the number of people sick.

And based on the figures you gave, with the flu, if you are sick enough to be hospitalized, you have about a 7% chance of dying.

On this planet, so far this year...of the people that have been hospitalized....79% got better and 21% have died. That's the difference.

That's why states are shutting down businesses, events, and gatherings. That's why we are wearing masks if we have them. That's why we are staying at home.

In Ohio today there are 3,700 confirmed cases. But that means that these are the people that got tested. Most people with the virus haven't been tested. Most people don't know they have it yet.

Why am I concerned?

If my wife gets the flu, there is about a .1% chance of her dying. Every year she gets it. So do I. And a few days later we are better. And it's never frightened me.

If she gets this virus, there is about a 15% chance that she will die...slowly...agonizingly.

That's why it isn't business as usual with me.
Let's take the current figures from the UK on Covid. The death rate is currently 64 per million so far and they are exercising staying at home measures etc. Given that there are 66 million in the UK all you do is divide 66 million by 64 to give you a the possibility of dying from it.That comes to one in 1,310.250. Source: for original data: https://www.worldometers.info/corona...as1?#countries

We, the UK, are a very cramped country while the US is not so much but of course the final figure will go up over the next couple of weeks before starting coming down..Just like in the US

The US is currently 25 deaths per million so a one in 13.88 million chance of dying. given its much higher population.Like saying you could win the state Lottery in illinois which has the nearest population to the above figure.

I'm not going to speculate on the final figure but these are the current odds based on today's statistics.. We shall see.

There are many other ways of dying per year that collectively dwarf these figures, even at their projected max.

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Why am I concerned?

If my wife gets the flu, there is about a .1% chance of her dying. Every year she gets it. So do I. And a few days later we are better. And it's never frightened me.

If she gets this virus, there is about a 15% chance that she will die...slowly...agonizingly.

That's why it isn't business as usual with me.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose two more brothers to this.
One is HIV positive for about 20 years and the other is an over weight NY first responder
that I haven't heard from him in over a week. Pins and needles.

You're smart as long as you guys are clean now I'm sure you will figure out how to stay safe.
If not, fight. That's my plan. lol

Edit:
I forgot to mention, the HIV one thinks this is fake news, conspiracies and maybe the flu.
The dum dum keeps forwarding me videos of empty hospitals in ny telling me its all some 5g scam. ugg


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the horrible part of dieing from this ..is the families do not get to stand at the bedside and say goodbye..

No - the horrible part is ...you're dead.

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Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

Time to get back to work and stop being scared...IMO.
Try telling that to those risking their lives on the front lines. Persistent ignorance is a bitch.
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I'm not going to speculate on the final figure but these are the current odds based on today's statistics...
Talking about averages and odds of dying from COVID-19 at this stage is futile for at least 3 reasons:

1) Odds can only be usefully calculated using sufficient historical data. We won't have that until well after the pandemic has subsided.

2) The statistical snapshots of fatalities that are issued are already out of date. For a start, they reflect victims who were first hospitalized weeks ago.

3) Unlike a lottery where each ticket has an equal chance of winning, the probabilities of death from COVID-19 are significantly skewed by demographics and, probably, the level of virus exposure. So averaging out over a whole population is meaningless.
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Talking about averages and odds of dying from COVID-19 at this stage is futile for at least 3 reasons:

1) Odds can only be usefully calculated using sufficient historical data. We won't have that until well after the pandemic has subsided.

2) The statistical snapshots of fatalities that are issued are already out of date. For a start, they reflect victims who were first hospitalized weeks ago.

3) Unlike a lottery where each ticket has an equal chance of winning, the probabilities of death from COVID-19 are significantly skewed by demographics and, probably, the level of virus exposure. So averaging out over a whole population is meaningless.
This was pulled from the net. Disclaimers as to the accuracy of the figures being up to date are always to be considered. You cannot calculate exactly how many people actually have the virus but if you have the figures for actual reported deaths on a daily basis it would be easy to calculate the odds of dying on a daily basis. having the stats of the age range and pre-existing conditions etc would further refine this. Now, do those figures exist?

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This was pulled from the net.
Oh, that's alright then.
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The number increase daily - we have reached the point of 100k new cases per day.



You can try to figure averages or death rates or whatever statistics you want - but when someone near you is sedated and on a ventilator...those numbers don't mean squat.


Only after this pandemic is over will the actual 'number's be available - then we'll know just how bad it WAS.....right now we only know how bad it IS.


Chances are if you were infected you would get over it in a week or two - but the people you pass the virus on to might not be so lucky. We see the results of kids who insisted on spring break - a choir that thought it was safe to practice - the high rates of infection in high density populations like cruise ships and NYC.


Trying to put numbers to it is a way to rationalize what's been happening - and this is not a rational time in history.

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Oh, that's alright then.
"This was pulled from the net. Disclaimers as to the accuracy of the figures being up to date are always to be considered."

Rather than being sarcastic about it, why don't you use your considerable skills to find a source which "you" consider to be accurate daily data. We already have historical, and no reason to think that hospitals are lying through there teeth on the amount of covid deaths that happen daily, as well as stats of age and pre existing conditions.

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Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

Rather than being sarcastic about it, why don't you use your considerable skills to find a source which "you" consider to be accurate daily data. We already have historical, and no reason to think that hospitals are lying through there teeth on the amount of covid deaths that happen daily, as well as stats of age and pre existing conditions.
You're missing the point. The data we have now is insufficient to draw any conclusions about odds or averages across a whole population. At this stage of the pandemic, quoting odds that are guaranteed to fluctuate on a daily basis serves no purpose.

It's not about disclaimers - it's about the futility of the exercise.
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"This was pulled from the net. Disclaimers as to the accuracy of the figures being up to date are always to be considered."

Rather than being sarcastic about it, why don't you use your considerable skills to find a source which "you" consider to be accurate daily data. We already have historical, and no reason to think that hospitals are lying through there teeth on the amount of covid deaths that happen daily, as well as stats of age and pre existing conditions.
why is it even useful to to even do this math right now ..the risk factors seem to change from country to country and the more people exposed .

next year the annuall deathe rate from this may matter ..it may be two years before the chances of dieing from this in a year acctually matter..need a year of data ..or a few years of data ..to compare it to other more established ways of dieing
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


I mentioned the site earlier in this thread - I check it as an easy way to get a feel for how the pandemic is going....also can look at numbers state by state in the US as well as throughout the world.

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Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

"This was pulled from the net. Disclaimers as to the accuracy of the figures being up to date are always to be considered."

Rather than being sarcastic about it, why don't you use your considerable skills to find a source which "you" consider to be accurate daily data. We already have historical, and no reason to think that hospitals are lying through there teeth on the amount of covid deaths that happen daily, as well as stats of age and pre existing conditions.
Consider a soccer match. At half time the score is 2-1. What's the full time score going to be? No-one knows.

We're only at half time, perhaps even just quarter time in this "game" and you're claiming the end result is already established.

In France the number of cases rose by 25,000 in a single day. Why? Because they started to include the figures from nursing homes which had previously been unrecorded. See now why we can't draw any conclusions at all from the limited data that is currently available and is constantly changing?

And as far as old age and pre-existing conditions are concerned, the chance of dying from anything/everything, increases dramatically with either or both of those being present. Obviously that means that those demographics are going to be the hardest hit. That does not mean that the young and relatively healthy are immune, just they have a better chance of survival. So no difference there with any other disease or ailment.

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Today, there are 323,000 cases in the US. Two weeks ago, that was the total number of cases in the World.

The US has 5% of the world's population and we have 26% of the cases.

Yea team.

If you need masks, here's a source. They are the highest rated source on Amazon. i hope it's not a scam, I just placed an order.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The only problem is, there is a two month wait for delivery.

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Claude -


I ordered a dozen bandanas on Amazon yesterday. Folded properly, they made a decent mask - but I also noticed if you search for 'bandana' on amazon they have 'non medical' face masks that appear to be available now...also have some scarves designed to be pulled up (with loops for ears) to use as mask when needed.


I ordered some - as things ease in the months to come and we begin getting back to 'real life' I thought it might be good to have something to use.



I don't want to use masks that medical personnel might need - and if they can't be used by medical personnel, not sure they'd be better than bandana anyway.


When this is over the dogs can wear the bandanas for 'dress up'

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The only problem is, there is a two month wait for delivery.
That's a long delay Claude. I'd suggest what Kay recommended, been doing it for a few days now.

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shipments of bandanas on amazon are slowing, too....ebay has some faster ships...and I found a wholesale site that says delivery within a week...found it with a google search for 'bandana' Ordered 6 more from ebay with a friday delivery guarantee.


What some of the masks are made of looks quite similar to a fabric called 'Pellon' (or Pelham?)- it's a non-woven product used as a backing in some sewing to provide stiffness to a product. Lining a bandana or scarf with non-woven material like that would be darned close to a medical mask.



If you use a mask - replace or wash it frequently - the outside of a mask can college the particles you are trying ot avoid....

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You're missing the point. The data we have now is insufficient to draw any conclusions about odds or averages across a whole population. At this stage of the pandemic, quoting odds that are guaranteed to fluctuate on a daily basis serves no purpose.

It's not about disclaimers - it's about the futility of the exercise.
I was looking at one thing only. Total deaths so far in the UK and/or the US. That is total deaths due to the virus. This morning I was looking at the informational ticker tape going across the bottom of the screen which said: Total deaths so far in the US is 8,500.

So, although there are factors involving age, disposition and location. and probably a small inaccuracy in the actual deaths recorded. I could roughly work out that it was highly likely that my chances of surviving and not dying from risking a trip to the supermarket across the street were pretty good. 10 million or more to one against if I went today.

You see, aside from being a little bit down on food, I am out of sugar and nearly out cigarettes, I can't source any vaping stuff locally at the moment and I am almost out of Stevia which I can't stand in my tea anyway.

So for me it's risks of dying V starving to death and not being able to smoke.or having a decent cup of tea.:-) Both very important.

Alas, I did not go today so the risk will be higher tomorrow.

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So, although there are factors involving age, disposition and location. and probably a small inaccuracy in the actual deaths recorded. I could roughly work out that it was highly likely that my chances of surviving and not dying from risking a trip to the supermarket across the street were pretty good. 10 million or more to one against if I went today.
Not logical, captain. To calculate those odds, you'd need to consider the data from within your supermarket's catchment area. But at least crossing the street should be less of a risk than usual.

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This looks real good on paper... I have to admit early on this was my line of thinking. HOWEVER... You have to keep in mind "Flu Season" this year started the 2nd week of October So basically the 23,000 deaths are across a 6 month period, and the 6,000 are only across a 2 month period.

IF the estimations are any where near correct and lets say only 1/2 way correct, I would suggest in the next week if not a bit more the Covid count will be greater than the Influenza count in 1/2 the time.
Another point to remember is that with flu, no social distancing or travel bans were implemented. This is not the case with coronavirus. if no control measures were implemented for coronavirus, you are likely to see many more deaths than flu, well into hundreds of thousands this year.

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Staying at home is the safest way to keep yourself away from the virus. And whatever our religion is, let's all hope and pray that we'll see a flat curve in the next few weeks.

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One of my favorite cousins has made it through to the other side. 44 Male from Flatbush.
His case was mild. He said that he never felt sick or tired until he did.

It went from nothing, to he thought he was going to die in a matter of a few hours.
He also said the pain is almost unbearable and the hallucinations are crazy realistic.

Talking to him was rough, his description was not pleasant and his voice hardly sounded like himself,
it was almost like even though he is better ... he still can't breathe properly enough to talk.

I'm so glad he's alive. 1 up .... crossing my fingers for the rest of them <<>>


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Talking to him was rough, his description was not pleasant and his voice hardly sounded like himself,
it was almost like even though he is better ... he still can't breathe properly enough to talk.
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While nobody's certain yet, I read an article stating that in cases with serious respiratory issues that don't result in death, the lung damage could takes weeks, if not months, to heal, if it heals at all. The expectation was that, like damage caused by other respiratory illnesses, that the damage would heal over time.

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Not logical, captain. To calculate those odds, you'd need to consider the data from within your supermarket's catchment area. But at least crossing the street should be less of a risk than usual.

You might actually come out of this pandemic healthier.
Lets see now: Montgomery County Houston: The county has a total area of 1,077 square miles.

Population: 590,925

And info on deaths, hospitalizations and recoveries: Pretty low but this is from 3rd of April

Total cases reported: 130
Total cases hospitalized: 18
Total Recovered: 18
Total Deaths 3
Total In self Isolation: 91

The deaths were all people in there 80's to 90's

Interesting. It's going to vary a lot with regards to population density, location etc. Our county is getting off pretty lightly so far

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Lets see now: Montgomery County Houston: The county has a total area of 1,077 square miles.

Population: 590,925

And info on deaths, hospitalizations and recoveries: Pretty low but this is from 3rd of April

Total cases reported: 130
Total cases hospitalized: 18
Total Recovered: 18
Total Deaths 3
Total In self Isolation: 91

The deaths were all people in there 80's to 90's

Interesting. It's going to vary a lot with regards to population density, location etc. Our county is getting off pretty lightly so far
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While nobody's certain yet, I read an article stating that in cases with serious respiratory issues that don't result in death, the lung damage could takes weeks, if not months, to heal, if it heals at all. The expectation was that, like damage caused by other respiratory illnesses, that the damage would heal over time.
Lemmie ask you - does that sound mild to you?

I guess mild is relative to the person eh? I mean some just get sniffles
and I guess some never have any symptoms, and then others just drop.

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Lemmie ask you - does that sound mild to you?

I guess mild is relative to the person eh? I mean some just get sniffles
and I guess some never have any symptoms, and then others just drop.

crazy
The current thought (which seems to change hourly) is that 80% of cases are mild to moderate, i.e. don't require hospitalization. Of those that require hospitalization, less than half develop severe respiratory issues. Of those, a small percentage will have lung damage that takes months to heal. A percentage of those people may never heal.

Because of this, I don't consider any case to be mild. I might get it and be fine, but my mother-in-law or that stranger I got too close to on my walk in the park might die.

Stay vigilant.

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A little perspective...maybe.

As of now about 8,000 deaths in the US...

For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
I'm giving this another shot, because there are several arguments like "There are 500,000 car crash deaths/deaths from the flu/deaths by gunshot/deaths by falling/deaths by (whatever)"

Here is what the difference is;

Let's assume that caronavirus hospitalizations and deaths are now car accident hospitalizations and deaths. Please. hear me out.

In this world (by analogy) there are millions and millions of people driving cars, but there has never been a car accident. Never a fender bender. (we are replacing the coronavirus with car accidents).

And about 5 months ago, we hear about a guy in China that had a fender bender. No big deal. But here is the weird thing. A guy he sneezed on, had a fender bender a couple of weeks later. There has never been a fender bender, and now there are two.

Still no big deal. But a few weeks later, there are a thousand car accidents, mostly in China, and a few were fatal....and every time the person in the accident sneezes on another person, that person has a car accident a couple of weeks later...and it starts spreading.

Now remember, a few months ago, there were no car accidents at all. And many people are saying "Well, yeah, there are car accidents, but more people die from the flu than die in car accidents. "

But these car accidents keep spreading. And about 20% of these accidents result in a hospital stay, and about 2% result in a death.

And eventually, just 5 months after the first few car accidents, there are a million car accidents in the world, tens of thousands every day. But that isn't the scary part.

These accidents are increasing at a rate of about 20% a day...not 20% a year (which would be tragic) but 20% every day.

In some countries, those car accidents are so common that there are not enough beds in the hospitals to treat all the patients....just from car accidents....that didn't exist at all just 6 months ago.

Stop driving? You cannot. In this world everyone has to drive, every day. Why? Because in our real world.we have to breath every day. And that's how this spreads.

And, some people are staying home, and only driving on their own property. . But many states in the US just have their people keep on driving as though nothing is wrong. And every time a person that has had an accident sneezes on you, you have an accident, and so it spreads.



That feeling of terror you are experiencing right now, because you are just now seeing the danger?......just means that you are sane.

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This ain't the first time hoomankind been busted out by a killah virus.

Back in the day, indiscrimitate slayers of people hopped around all ovah, dowin' that thing survival-centric organisms do.

Big problem you had back then was ... people not so smart.

Fatally transmissive firepowah of THE GERM was real frickin' potent bcs hey it don't care ... but evrywan strollin' around in woolen undergarments, doffin' hats to kings & deities, which made 'em prize chumps bcs ignorance.

We so backward then, nowan ain't even discovered OZ yet.

Forward to 2020, an' stuff like this still a real danger.

But we smarter, bettah organized an' prepared, way more informed — and collectively productive action is way more possible.

Jus' gotta figure accurately where the troo bottleneck lies.

Risk to Moi?

Hey, surely I can gamble on the odds here if'n I wanna?


Corona says: ain't up to you, Sweetie. Cos for evrywan gets lucky as your ass, I can take out plenty more, an' ima droppin' 'em all on your hospitals, an' they ain't got space to save evrywan — an' when ima done trashin' your health backup insurance, watch what happens next.

That is why I quit stalkin' Benedict Cumberbatch an' invitin' him over to my place for lessons in inspirin' oratory.

For now, we gotta temper passion bcs it ain't no kinda powah against a mindless, heartless monstah.

Sumtimes snuffin' stuff out means nevah settin' no flame to the taper.

Lightin' fuses is for blowin' stuff togethah.
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Lets see now: Montgomery County Houston: The county has a total area of 1,077 square miles.

Population: 590,925

And info on deaths, hospitalizations and recoveries: Pretty low but this is from 3rd of April

Total cases reported: 130
Total cases hospitalized: 18
Total Recovered: 18
Total Deaths 3
Total In self Isolation: 91

The deaths were all people in there 80's to 90's

Interesting. It's going to vary a lot with regards to population density, location etc. Our county is getting off pretty lightly so far
if you need to take your chances once a week to get supplies just stay away from people everyone is keeping their distance or attempting to.

americans usually like a personal space from people they don't know of 2-3 feet..now it is six feet..people have adapted quick..if you can find masks wear them..

my brother and i go shopping once a week thats about all the space he has for food storage for 2 people in his condo.

bought a small electric pressure cooker today for the more simple meals ..first batch of bonless chicken came out tasty
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I thought I should mention, because my last post sounded a little "Doomsday"...

This will end. It will slow down, and then end. These pandemics always end, we always survive...most of us anyway.

But me? After the panic subsides?

I'm buying a box of masks and supplies for the next one. And there is always a next one.

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For the most part, crisis always brings out the best in us, and changes all of us ultimately for the better.

My heart goes out to the families of those who suffered and lost loved ones. For many, this is horrific.

My gratitude extends to the selfless heroes - the first responders, medical professionals, retail workers, and volunteers who often risked their own lives to provide necessities, comfort, and perhaps saved countless lives.
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I'm buying a box of masks and supplies for the next one. And there is always a next one.
Don't forget the toilet paper!!

Yes, we plan on getting together a 72-hour emergency kit for each of us and then start preparing food and other necessities so we could survive for at least a little while.

Supposedly a reporter asked Trump why the grocery stores, 7-11s, etc. are still running. Whether that happened or not, it got me to thinking: what if all the stores were shut down (either due to a virus like this or an earthquake or hurricane wiped them all out)?

One of the hardest lessons is realizing how much we take for granted when those things are taken away.

I about had a coronary when they canceled the Big Dance. I'm not a big basketball fan (college football is where it's all at baby) but my beloved Seminoles were near the top and had a legit chance to win it all. Then they canceled spring football and started questioning if there would even be a 2020 season. And,, I'm like Lord take me now! Life isn't hardly worth living without some of those nicities that we take for granted. (There is still plenty to live for but if we could sacrifice soccer or hockey instead of football, I'd be grateful.)

Talking about football, in times like these, may be petty, childish, tone deaf, etc. I get it. But the emotional (and financial impacts) of all this, including the "death" of life as we know it, will last long after the illness goes away.

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I am in central FL, things seem to be quieter here compared to the rest of the country. I feel for you, guys. We do have the stay-at-home order in place, but I don't think it's strictly followed.
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Unread 6th Apr 2020, 05:06 PM   #600
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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

I thought I should mention, because my last post sounded a little "Doomsday"...

This will end. It will slow down, and then end. These pandemics always end, we always survive...most of us anyway.

But me? After the panic subsides?

I'm buying a box of masks and supplies for the next one. And there is always a next one.

I hope everyone is OK.
I'm already planning out how we'll live post-pandemic. I think some of the things we're seeing will stick around, like touchless food delivery and a higher rate of home sanitation.

As such, I'm converting space on my front porch and garage for these purposes. I'm currently building a decorative box/stand for food deliveries (rather than the damn pizza box sitting on the porch and then my stove...).

I'm putting a shoe rack in my garage and buying an outdoor shoe bench for my front porch. People coming in through the garage will rack their shoe before entry. Those coming in the front can sit on the bench to remove their shoes and place them inside a weather proof container inside the bench.

Once I'm able, I'll place hand sanitizer on my Amazon Subscribe and Save to develop a stock pile over time as it expires, so I'd rather have the expiration dates staggered. I've had Lysol wipes set up this way for years. I'll do the same with masks.

Of course, the next pandemic will probably require a completely different set of items like Merv 40 furnace filters and liquid nitrogen...
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