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I dunno about you, but I think these last few months + the hurricane season heading my way ... is going to turn me into a full fledged prepper wack -o. If any of you warriors sell fully custom underground bunkers, let me know. Edit: I'm really not sure if I'm joking or not. | |
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This pandemic has exposed shortfalls not only in our collective and individual preparedness, but also in our medical system response, and major weaknesses in a wide swath of our social, economic, industrial, technological, and political infrastructure. Overheard at a corona party: "All of a sudden, having a mask, rubber gloves, duct tape, plastic sheeting, and rope in your car trunk is OK". |
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Talk to anyone that has or does install Satellite TV for any amount of time about this set up... every one of them will relate. I actually had to go to a house a few weeks ago that my guys couldn't deal with. I threw up on the front porch... BEFORE I got in the house. I was able to walk the person through the steps needed to fix their system from outside talking through a window. - I took my clothes off before I got back in my truck - and burned them when I got home. | |
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But do masks other than ones specifically made to block virus-sized particles, particularly home made ones made from cotton do anything other than prevent you from touching your face? And even then, if you touch your mask and deposit some virus, or if it's floating through the air and lands on your mask, can it still make its way through those fibers and into your lungs as you attempt to inhale it thousands of times throughout the day? (and I bet with a scarf over your face all day, you'll be sucking in harder than usual.) Same goes for protecting others. Will a scarf stop an outgoing cough or sneeze? A pack of baby wipes lasts a whole lot longer than a roll of toilet paper, and has been well stocked everywhere I've been. But anyone who doesn't own an electric bidet is doing themselves a terrible disservice, even in the best of times. Mine is absolutely the favorite thing I own. | |
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My thought on the whole subject is something is better than nothing. Scarves will actually stop the larger droplets ( the 6 foot circle type of spray ) but not the aerosol - to a degree... its going to stop maybe some of it, just by no means all of it. | |
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humans really can not prepare for things they have not gone through ..without some kind of simulation or training protical . people around the world responded to preparing for a few weeks in lockdown at home .. by buying multi years supplies of toilet paper hand sanitizor. and my first job in my teens was in a grocery store ..people dont prepare or have any plan in place in the winter ..where it snows every year ..for a snowstorm that may mean you can leave the house for a day or two.. they panic buy weeks worth of food . and people still do it today ..well mayby not if snow was forcast for tomorrow.. but well.. i don't think the government can really prepare for us when there is a list of 500 different potential catastrophes the government has to prepare for..and the government is as likly to buy multi years supplies of toilet paper ..just to look like it is doing something .. | |
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The world has gone through panics, recessions, and depressions on average every 5-10 years. In the last recession of 2008, we at first stumbled but continued on as if nothing happened. What we can learn from history is that most people never learn from history. Those who are now getting "ready" for the next pandemic still don't get it. |
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i am back up in massachusetts next winter if i am still here..when there is an announcment of snow people will rush to the grocery stores the day before and the hard ware stores to buy shovels .. they dont even prepare for the things that happen regularly | |
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ANYONE who is self supporting can slowly build up an emergency fund to cover expenses for 2-3 months - enough supplies to last a couple weeks. That so many did not prepare for any problem - is concerning. This has not been going on for months - it's been 3 weeks since the states began shutting down businesses. It was another week or two before they got serious about gathering in parks and on beaches. No one - in govt, business or medicine - could have predicted the speed at which this virus moves - or could have prevented it. This is as much as natural disaster as an earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, tornado, wildfire....just on a much bigger scale. . | |
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But, just like previous pandemics, disasters, recessions, depressions, and even wars throughout history, this too will pass and become largely forgotten by most people ... and once again unprepared for the next crisis. "I want the old days back again and they'll never come back, and I am haunted by the memory of them and of the world falling about my ears." ― Gone with the Wind | |
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Some masks have multiple layers. If they are HEPA filter masks (White cloth like filters), then they will tend to stop the virus....not because the virus is bigger than the air holes, but because the virus will tend to stick to the fabric of the mask. I bought cloth masks, with HEPA filter inserts. They will stop 90% or more of the virus. But mostly what masks do is stop you from sending your sneeze 6 feet away. If you have a mask on, and everyone around you has a mask on, it cuts down on the transmission by nearly 100%. That is, unless you rub your eyes or stick your finger in your ear. As you wear your mask during the day, you create moisture on the mask, from breathing. This moisture is really what traps the virus. But a bandanna? A scarf? I suppose that's better than nothing. | |
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The instructions for folding a bandana result in 8 layers of tightly woven fabric covering your mouth and nose. It's meant as a potential protections from sneezes and coughs but should be laundered the moment you take it off = and as with masks you should not touch the 'outside' of it. I just stay home - it's easier. |
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the speed of the virus was predictable ..what no one predicted was the step needed to slow it down..locking down the economy of most of the planet . i really don't think i have seen anyone ever who thouggt government would tell so many people to just sit home ..and get to the point of writing out citations .. the next crisi will probably be the result of all this money printing going on by the governments of the world ..or when the increase in the amount of US currency drived the price of oil up .. now much of the growth in the Us gdp has come from the rise in cost of rents and real estate the increasing spending on health care, and the increasing cost of higher education be interesting to see how the US gdp grows after this..we may go into a deflationary period a disaster in itself | |
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Humans are ostriches, we are designed by nature to expect the best outcome. To me it makes sense that a majority of any population did nothing. Just look at Pompeii. It was predicted, by several people over many years. In black and white. Also, it was not only predicted, but there were action plans to keep it from getting inside the USA. Again, in black and white and from the USA CDC I agree with this being a natural disaster. | |
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It is somewhat surprising to me that some people are so misinformed and they spout misinformation even though other people that know better post links to the facts and share common sense. Kay said it best.. "I just stay home - it's easier." |
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That shifted my perspective from,"Yeah, nobody's shooting water up *my* keester," to "Why are we all walking around with unclean bums?" My lens had changed. So, I bought a cheap non-electric bidet on Woot (Amazon) for $25. It sat next to my toilet for three months. Finally, the pandemic's toilet paper shortage and my increased time at home (with a wife, a mother-in-law, and a 4-year I can't seem to shake 24/7) prompted me to tell everybody to leave me alone for a couple hours. The result? I honestly don't know what I was waiting for. It's refreshing, clean, simple. And mine's not electric, so that cold shot of water in the morning helps wake me up... I might consider getting one of your fancy electric ones...with the warm water, puff of warm air, and an mp3 player that plays Hail to the Chief every time I sit down. I just have to get my wife on board. And that, my friends, is a different brand of bathroom humor than you probably expect from me. (And, yes, Ken Michaels, if my dad were alive, he'd beat me senseless for using "one of those commie $#!tters.") | |
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That was a lot of information...a whole lot of information. I'm happy your keister is cold and clean - I'm a minimalist so I keep a pack of baby wipes in the throne room...have done that for years. |
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I just wonder if in some future ultra-sanitized, be-masked, filtered, bideted, disinfected world, some boringly innocuous little B-list virus could come along and see us all off. |
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Honestly, I heard the same argument. Changed my mind instantly. I've been using my trusty TS-R Nerf Super Soaker Water Blaster. Refreshing, and macho. | |
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Just remember the likes of Clorox and Lysol only kill 99.9% of germs... that means there is a .01% germ lurking out there could do just that.
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The OT sections is something else (mean that in a good way). Never imagined we would tell each other how we wipe our you know what in the main forum.
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Most people are spraying Lysol without following the directions, spraying and wiping right after, and completely defeating the purpose. There will be plenty of germs out there. I wouldn't count on the human race taking care of much proactively.
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Today's weather has been glorious. I've been relaxing in the garden, sipping a glass of cold white burgundy while enjoying the birdsong and absence of traffic and people noise. If it wasn't for the threat of imminent death, I could get used to this. |
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or go do something stupid. I also realized with all the planning and buying I did to prepare...I forgot to re-up all my garden needs oops Nobody likes my garden but me, so its become my fortress of solitude Much nicer then being locked away in an office coding. | |
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We are now seeing a massive re-emergence of innovation, inventions, and entrepreneurship largely unseen since WW2. Not only are whole industries pivoting to meet the challenge, but displaced workers are starting home businesses (known as "cottage industries" back in the day) and sprouting up all over the US (perhaps all over the world). I have seen growing numbers of people refusing to take this crisis sitting down. |
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what we are seeing is government getting out of the way of innovation and a lot of the other systems that have slowed down innovation..be removed or ignored ..medical advance that needed years of testing and expensive approval are now being done in weeks.without costing tens or hundred or billions of dollars that then needs to be recovered from the market | |
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dont think we wont see a lot of that after this ..once the courts open you will see a record number of malpractice suits filed ..big huge part of why our leader wanted to avoid triage | |
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I think we'll see a lot of 'suits' thrown out of court - and one thing I've noticed in the past week or so is that peole aren't symathetic to the same old 'poor me' stories and money grabs that accompany them. Some nurses went on strike this week -complaining about their hours and conditions - and the public response was not sympathetic. There are too many heroes - so those complaining and walking off the job were told 'quit and go home'. During this crisis - every person will either be part of the solution or part of the problem. Some will find ways to keep going - be excited when the world is open for business and life again....and some will always see a glass that is half full, cracked and leaking. Human nature. |
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Irresponsible and self-serving talking heads like the above are popping up all over the internet. The fact remains, there is no vaccine, and currently the best defense for us, (and especially to protect those we care about as well as those who are on the front lines putting their lives at risk) is to observe recommended precautions. The infection rate of this highly virulent virus is exponential, and models show that millions of lives would have been lost without social distancing intervention.
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as far as that strike ..where was the strike in the US only story i have seen of a strike of nurses and doctors was in Zimbabwe ..which is like the third pooerst country on the planet ..and china /Jack Ma donated a bunch of PPE ..ppe the is defective 20 percent of the time is better than nothing ..so they actually got most of what they wanted . was there a strike in the US..the was one planned in march in seattle or somewhere in Washington..but no story.. can you put the link up for the strike in the Us you where referring to . | |
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Years ago I had the pleasure of working with man considered to be one of the top 10 professionals in the.. get this.. the rocket science industry. His staff was in the middle of deterring a threat to the U.S. when a logistics problem materialized. In this case the problem became twofold and time was running out. His staff went to him with the issue and said there was nothing they could do or think of to resolve the issue. This man invented a solution on the spot and issue resolved. Later, scientists and his peers from around the world to include the White House said he "Invented a better mouse trap." And this man came from a very wealthy family.
If that happens I will be the first to start a GoFundMe campaign for him.
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I found the facts about Italy of particular interest, the Swine flu deaths as well. Projections are often wrong. With regards to raw figures this may statistically just be just another one of those viruses that comes along periodically and adds to the yearly death toll Time will tell, I hope I'm not wrong. | |
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Who is the 'us' you are talking about anyway? Surely not the people who lost their jobs and businesses. But hey, you're alright, so that's alright.
61,000 people died from the flu in 2018 alone. 67,000 died from drug overdose. 50,000 died from suicide. 88,000 died from alcohol abuse. How much of an impact will the decision to shutdown the economy have on the last 3? The decision to shut the economy down was one made out of fear, rather than sense. It was the safest option, and now all involved will do whatever they can to protect their decision. What happens if a second wave comes around? They'll most likely protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us just get on with it. Like they should have done from the get go. The solution here is far, far worse than the problem. And you can take that to the bank. It's just that most people won't have any reason to go to the bank, with no money and all. By the way. I'm not saying people aren't dying. I'm not saying people aren't scared. I'm not even saying that hospitals are not choc-a-bloc. But looking through this thread you'd think we were all in immediate danger and the world is about to end. Typical fear mentality created by a culture driven by media sensationalism. | |||
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looks like everyone in south korea who goes outside is wearing a mask .. but south Korea and Japan had the wearing mask in public thing as part of the culture long ago .. Sweden is considering going full scale lock down as the death tol in that country is rising fast.. | |
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Working with limited data, a new virus strain, fractured medical system, distractions and incompetence on many levels, and social carelessness all combined in a perfect storm for trajedy and looming economic disaster. Sure, there were some early warning signs, just as there was ample warning of the Pearl Harbor attack that ignited resolve in WW2. Bill Gates warned us to prepare for a pandemic years ago. There are literally millions of viruses swarming among us and around the globe bombarding our immune systems. They mutate quickly, and every now and then such randomness becomes deadly. Other countries were certainly more prepared than we because they had been through pandemics before (SARS, MERS, etc), and established medical countermeasures. But for example in the US there was no such precedent, and the seriousness was not realized until it overwhelmed our medical capacity and response. Second-guessing is not productive right now. I do see these "talking heads" popping up all the time quoting "top professionals" about what we should have done. It seems more like they are using this crisis for their own promotions. Couch-potato soliloquies about the virus are becoming an epidemic. What we need to do right now to fight this war (it is a war, by the way) is to do everything we can to prevent the spread of this virus to the vulnerable and those at at-risk. The points that seems to be missed repeatedly are there is no vaccine and this virus is highly contagious. | |
9th Apr 2020, 10:19 AM | #649 | |
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One of the funniest lines posted so far. I'm only interested in true facts. And Expert analysis. In this case, this is what I found. I was recommended to view this video by a good friend, no scouring the net to feed my bias. I do not have one. | |
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9th Apr 2020, 12:08 PM | #650 | |
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if we had people wearing homemade masks a month ago at the start of thise we would probably see much lower infection and death rates .. you see a failure in the projections on the other hand the lockdown has been effective for doing what we needed to do.. slow the spread and produce the needed supplies and treatments..yes it takes a heavy toll on the economy..and maybe a bigger toll on the 20 percent of the population with wealth to lose . short term it is hard on the people stuck home but really not financially able .to just sit at home . and at some point soon in the next month..we need to start opening stuff up or we risk losing more people from an economic catastrophe..because of the effect this might have on mortgage back securities | |
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