[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Poetic justice?



https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/m...lockdown-order

And consider how many people he infected and possibly died.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Got any dive goggles? We have a bunch of good quality snorkel stuff...wouldn't that be cute?

Actually, I wore divers goggles when I first heard of the possibilities. But I'm an retired Army SCUBA diver and yes I consider myself cute. lol.


I just didn't mention it earlier because I didn't want Claude to get the idea of replacing his business suit with a tight fitting body suit. No need to scare customers away and all that.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Actually, I wore divers goggles when I first heard of the possibilities. But I'm an retired Army SCUBA diver and yes I consider myself cute. lol.


I just didn't mention it earlier because I didn't want Claude to get the idea of replacing his business suit with a tight fitting body suit. No need to scare customers away and all that.

He has a Birthday Suit..but that's not tight fitting

[whateverpedia]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

And consider how many people he infected and possibly died.

Indeed.................

[Princess Balestra]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Got any dive goggles? We have a bunch of good quality snorkel stuff...wouldn't that be cute?

Tellya, I am workin' my way up to FULL BODY PROTECTION.

Las' night, the Amazon guy dropped off my flippers.

I know they can't offah much help without the rest of the soot, but when I looked in on my local store ... I dunno ... sumthin' about walkin' round in 'em felt kinda reassurin'.

If'n any of them Corona bugs're writhin' around on the floor, I now got me a nachrl barrier.

Plus, we know they only go for bats an' hoomans.

They ain't too clevah, so I figure they got like a CHEAT SHEET with a couple SILHOUETTES on it, so they don't accidentally try it on with no marmoset or duck.

Gal in flippers gonna fool 'em real good.

"Whatever it is, it ain't no human being or bat."

"You sure we can't do dogs and kittens? They sound kinda cute."

"Maybe when we done mutating, but for now, we only handle premium mammals."

[Kay King]

I just saw part of a discussion that totally blew my mind- I couldn't even listen to any more of it. A few chosen parents discussing how HARD it is to homeschool their kids - how worried they are - how insufficient it is...blah de blah.

The oldest kid discussed was one in the 5th grade....the rest were kindergarten to 2nd grade. I feel sorry for the kids - they have such clueless parents.

Schools have only been closed for a month! What is wrong with these people? So OK - you can't teach your kid math -so teach him literature - go 'with' him on his computer to look at museums - natural history exhibits - aquariums online - art and sculpture - travel videos - wildlife info sites- stories about other cultures and history. Teach him about the Great Depression (not the stock market - the affect on people and lifestyle) - teach them who fought in world wars - which side were we on...and why. Teach about professions - what do farmers do - what do bankers do - etc. The world is full of things kids can learn - and the internet brings it all to you.



The problem seems to be our schools are now so 'conforming' that you can only teach what has been approved. Not good.

Second thing I've noticed is no state mentioning changes (permanent ones) in traffic/care in nursing homes. My Mother spent time in 3 different, very good care homes. Any family/visitors that came to visit her also could visit any other residents who happened to be nearby..

The assumption of the media is 'unclean' nursing homes - but that may not be the case. Lack of restrictions on visitors, well meaning people who visit one person but pat or hug or shake hands with another resident while there....who help people by handing them a cane or walker or a piece of candy.

There seems to be so much 'kneejerk complaining' for issues that don't take an Einstein to solve.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I just saw part of a discussion that totally blew my mind- I couldn't even listen to any more of it. A few chosen parents discussing how HARD it is to homeschool their kids - how worried they are - how insufficient it is...blah de blah.

The oldest kid discussed was one in the 5th grade....the rest were kindergarten to 2nd grade. I feel sorry for the kids - they have such clueless parents.

Schools have only been closed for a month! What is wrong with these people? So OK - you can't teach your kid math -so teach him literature - go 'with' him on his computer to look at museums - natural history exhibits - aquariums online - art and sculpture - travel videos - wildlife info sites- stories about other cultures and history. Teach him about the Great Depression (not the stock market - the affect on people and lifestyle) - teach them who fought in world wars - which side were we on...and why. Teach about professions - what do farmers do - what do bankers do - etc. The world is full of things kids can learn - and the internet brings it all to you.

The problem seems to be our schools are now so 'conforming' that you can only teach what has been approved. Not good.

Second thing I've noticed is no state mentioning changes (permanent ones) in traffic/care in nursing homes. My Mother spent time in 3 different, very good care homes. Any family/visitors that came to visit her also could visit any other residents who happened to be nearby..

The assumption of the media is 'unclean' nursing homes - but that may not be the case. Lack of restrictions on visitors, well meaning people who visit one person but pat or hug or shake hands with another resident while there....who help people by handing them a cane or walker or a piece of candy.

There seems to be so much 'kneejerk complaining' for issues that don't take an Einstein to solve.

I suspect the same people will complain when school starts again..

"We have to get up too early to get the kids ready for the school bus."
Side note: Which is no cost to them.

"It is cheaper to live on government programs compared to a full-time job."

In my past job I have heard a lot of it coming from people earning considerably more than minimal wage.

People like that congregate and share information about how to game the government (U.S. tax payers). Most of them work for 90 days and use a well-known govt loophole to quit and go back to govt programs that pay for their apartment, food, childcare and the list goes on.

Organized crime gets involved and you get all of the above (and more) for a stipend. Want to drive a nice car? "For a small fee/favor I will set you free" is the street talk.

Change is on the way Kay. We can only Pro aris et focis.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

I

In my past job I have heard a lot of it coming from people earning considerably more than minimal wage.

People like that congregate and share information about how to game the government (U.S. tax payers). Most of them work for 90 days and use a well-known govt loophole to quit and go back to govt programs that pay for their apartment, food, childcare and the list goes on.

Organized crime gets involved and you get all of the above (and more) for a stipend. Want to drive a nice car? "For a small fee/favor I will set you free" is the street talk.

Change is on the way Kay. We can only Pro aris et focis.

change is here ... the system people games is an actual pie that pulls from a finitie amount of money based of what can be collected in taxes ,,and when many of the sources of of taxes get shut off or greatly diminished at the same time ..

then add a massive increase in those who need services .

[Medon]

I think the world is right. There is no way China could sit on such crucial information about the disease only to turnaround later when it has spread worldwide with help . It should have sounded a warning much earlier. Doing it 3 months after the virus was discovered in Wuhan was wrong.

[myob]

Their campaign of coverup, deception, denials, disinformation, and silencing whistleblowers has been exposed. Some reports now coming out confirms that disinformation began as early as last November. PR damage control is more important to them than saving lives.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by myob

Their campaign of coverup, deception, denials, disinformation, and silencing whistleblowers has been exposed. Some reports now coming out confirms that disinformation began as early as last November. PR damage control is more important to them than saving lives.

It's been dripping out. I'm glad to see it's starting to trickle.
When it starts to flood...that's when real change will start..

[Claude Whitacre]

Just in case anyone thinks this is over.....

In the US, the rate of increases in deaths per day has lowered. It was 20% a day increase for a couple of months. Now it's down to about a 5% increase in deaths per day. Same with new cases. The rate of climb per day is slowing, but it's still about a 5% increase per day.

But any cause of death that increases at 5% a day.....is a pandemic.

Can you imagine of deaths by car accidents went up 5% a day for a month? It would cause mass hysteria, and driving would become illegal, until the cause was discovered.

[myob]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

It's been dripping out. I'm glad to see it's starting to trickle.
When it starts to flood...that's when real change will start..

Don't count on "real" change. It's a culture of top-down controlled deception, and will continue long after the pandemic is over. Facts don't matter in propaganda.

"Let your plans be dark and as impenetrable as night."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by myob

Don't count on "real" change. It's a culture of top-down controlled deception, and will continue long after the pandemic is over. Facts don't matter in propaganda.

"Let your plans be dark and as impenetrable as night."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Only because we allow it.

I know talking about it publicly IS doing something about it (seems more important now then I ever remember) but I hope you do more then talk in the real world. I'm glad you do what you do, but I hope you do more.

Edit:
For the daft, I'm mostly referring to voting

[myob]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Only because we allow it.

I know talking about it publicly IS doing something about it (seems more important now then I ever remember) but I hope you do more then talk in the real world. I'm glad you do what you do, but I hope you do more.

Edit:
For the daft, I'm mostly referring to voting

I am confident that when people are given the facts, they will make the right choice. There is a growing resistance worldwide blowing against the winds of fake news, fake science, conspiracy theory, state-sponsored propaganda and coverups, and foreign interference of the democratic process. Education is an enemy of absolute power.

"An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight."
- Thomas Jefferson

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by myob

I am confident that when people are given the facts, they will make the right choice. There is a growing resistance worldwide blowing against the winds of fake news, fake science, conspiracy theory, state-sponsored propaganda and coverups, and foreign interference of the democratic process. Education is an enemy of absolute power.

"An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight."
- Thomas Jefferson

myob..so that means anything that has facts different from the one you chose are right.. qualify as fake news ,conspirace theory , fake science , cover up and propaganda

are you sure non of your facts are not themselve fake .. or made up

so lets say i believe what we are going through is the way an artificial intelligence would take over a planet ..instead of killing robots .. a series of events over many decades that cause humans to put far more rtrust in the choices computers tell them to maske ..than any other human .. but a slow transition over generations ..

claude pointed out driving.. the more and more capable automated cars become .. in ten or 20 years it may be illegal for humans to actually drive their own cars .

china is out ahead of everyone in AI ..

what one b around the world..of the best ways to keep this from happening in any lab..any virus that can infect humans can only be handled by robots..

education will soon come out of the hans of professors and teachers and be handed over to artificial intelligence protocols ..

[myob]

Originally Posted by Odahh

myob..so that means anything that has facts different from the one you chose are right.. qualify as fake news ,conspirace theory , fake science , cover up and propaganda

I do happen to have a strong background and interest in science. You could say my BS detector is tuned in very close to the right frequency.

Originally Posted by Odahh

are you sure non of your facts are not themselve fake .. or made up

I have been very active in the "conspiracy theory" and other related unsavory niches for over 20 years. They all have one thing in common. Check them out for yourself.

Originally Posted by Odahh

so lets say i believe what we are going through is the way an artificial intelligence would take over a planet ..instead of killing robots .. a series of events over many decades that cause humans to put far more rtrust in the choices computers tell them to maske ..than any other human .. but a slow transition over generations ..

To an alarming extent, this is happening right now. One particularly dangerous example is the automated program trading in the stock market, which has resulted in at least three of the last major market crashes and recessions.

Originally Posted by Odahh

claude pointed out driving.. the more and more capable automated cars become .. in ten or 20 years it may be illegal for humans to actually drive their own cars .

For a growing number of people, it already is illegal to drive their own cars.

Originally Posted by Odahh

china is out ahead of everyone in AI ..

Not really. They have only excelled at stealing technology and intellectual property from other countries.

Originally Posted by Odahh

what one b around the world..of the best ways to keep this from happening in any lab..any virus that can infect humans can only be handled by robots..

There are BSL-4 virus labs all around the world (including two in China). These very dangerous pathogens are handled largely by robots and heavily protected researchers.

Originally Posted by Odahh

education will soon come out of the hans of professors and teachers and be handed over to artificial intelligence protocols ..

This has been accelerating over the past 10-15 years.

Looks to me like you've still got lots of homework to do.

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic"
- John F. Kennedy

[lanfear63]

One woman's experience of Covid19

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52353275

[kenmichaels]

Feds Seized Shipment Of One Million Masks To Miami-Dade, Say Officials

https://www.wlrn.org/post/feds-seize...-say-officials

Meanwhile my neighbors were taken away in ambulances (as in two) .
No one knows why yet. But I was pretty surprised when I saw two ambulances
and one firetruck and no ppe other then one person wearing blue gloves.

Weird times. My x father in law had a heart attack. The hospital assumed it was covid
related, sent him home and told him to self isolate from his wife. Took 4 days but it turns out it was just a heart attack. A heart attack and sent home...because home is safer. Nuts.

[whateverpedia]

A good move.

Several European countries have refused point blank to provide any taxpayer funded bailouts to companies domiciled in offshore tax havens. The article lists Denmark and Poland, but since it was published The Netherlands has joined the list. I expect others to follow suit, as well as other countries around the world.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/c...20-4?r=US&IR=T

I realise that cartoons and memes are frowned upon in this thread, however I'm hoping the Mods will allow this one as it ties in with the theme of this particular post.

[kenmichaels]

Something nice...


Matterhorn in Swiss Alps lit up with American flag, messages of hope during coronavirus crisis





https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...is/ar-BB12MQqf

[cjt0723]

....shouldn't this be in the OFF TOPIC section??

[Kay King]

.

.shouldn't this be in the OFF TOPIC section??

NO - it was an admin/mod decision to have 2 of these threads in the main forum. Otherwise, they wouldn't be here.

[myob]

Originally Posted by cjt0723

....shouldn't this be in the OFF TOPIC section??

It started out in the OFF TOPIC section. The issues discussed here have direct marketing repercussions.

Watch and learn as this crisis is a catalyst accelerating the global online economy transformation.

[Profit Traveler]

Very happy to see so many "Legacy" Warriors are alive and well and still sharing!


Roger that Mods..thanks for gentle reminder.

Have to remind myself this aint yahoo.

[Kay King]

Hey Claude - Remember we were talking about 'masks' and I mentioned a sewing product that might help


NOW I see that same product (pellon) being sold to 'make masks' and as 'liners for masks'. Of course what used to cost $2 to use as an 'interfacing' to add body to collars and cuffs on sewn items....is now 'high tech' at $10 or more a yard....same thing. It's a non-woven fabric- I'm thinking about getting the fusible/iron-on variety to add a layer of additional protection to my bandana masks


I refuse to buy masks on Amazon or any other site that does not tell me where the masks are made/shipped from. I tried using the 'made in USA' as part of Amazon search - didn't work very well.

[Princess Balestra]

I been lookin' at sellin' boxes fulla AIR.


Clean, uncontaminated AIR.


Deal is, you get a bunch sent out to your home, an' you can BUILD YOUR OWN BARRIER.


rn ima workin' with shoebox sized anti-corona "bricks" you can kinda build into a rock solid defence against THREAT.


25c each, won't cost a fortune to construct an impregnable shield against bugs.


If'n you wanna go sumplace, I am offerin' a whole buncha these Virus-Blitzin' Air Boxes for free when you purchase the Ultra Funghi Power Armor System.


(See, cos I sittin' on sum inflatable mushroom costooms from a failed leprechaun wonderland theme park, an' they jus' waitin' to be inflated with clean, uncontaminated AIR an' draped ovah THE CONCERNED.)

[Janice Sperry]

Interesting article about Australia and New Zealand combating COVID-19 by listening to and implementing the suggestions of science.

Vanquish the Virus? Australia and New Zealand Aim to Show the Way

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Hey Claude - Remember we were talking about 'masks' and I mentioned a sewing product that might help


NOW I see that same product (pellon) being sold to 'make masks' and as 'liners for masks'. Of course what used to cost $2 to use as an 'interfacing' to add body to collars and cuffs on sewn items....is now 'high tech' at $10 or more a yard....same thing. It's a non-woven fabric- I'm thinking about getting the fusible/iron-on variety to add a layer of additional protection to my bandana masks


I refuse to buy masks on Amazon or any other site that does not tell me where the masks are made/shipped from. I tried using the 'made in USA' as part of Amazon search - didn't work very well.

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

I been lookin' at sellin' boxes fulla AIR.


Clean, uncontaminated AIR.


Deal is, you get a bunch sent out to your home, an' you can BUILD YOUR OWN BARRIER.


rn ima workin' with shoebox sized anti-corona "bricks" you can kinda build into a rock solid defence against THREAT.


25c each, won't cost a fortune to construct an impregnable shield against bugs.


If'n you wanna go sumplace, I am offerin' a whole buncha these Virus-Blitzin' Air Boxes for free when you purchase the Ultra Funghi Power Armor System.


(See, cos I sittin' on sum inflatable mushroom costooms from a failed leprechaun wonderland theme park, an' they jus' waitin' to be inflated with clean, uncontaminated AIR an' draped ovah THE CONCERNED.)

It is amazing so many here were commenting so many months earlier not knowing how this was going to unfold and appear more intelligent than the actual official Briefings!

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by Janice Sperry

Interesting article about Australia and New Zealand combating COVID-19 by listening to and implementing the suggestions of science.

Vanquish the Virus? Australia and New Zealand Aim to Show the Way

That first Image was worth the click by itself! So beautiful. Thanks. But yea Science over Hunches. Sounds good to me.


Vietnam not a single death? Reopening.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Profit Traveler

It is amazing so many here were commenting so many months earlier not knowing how this was going to unfold and appear more intelligent than the actual official Briefings!

This was actually uncovered by a Canadian company - Bluedot in late December, long before the Chinese or WHO officially "announced" it. This early pandemic warning resulted in the immediate banning of all flights from out of China as hundreds of thousands were fleeing Wuhan to major cities worldwide..

How this Canadian start-up spotted coronavirus before everyone else knew about it

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by myob

This was actually uncovered by a Canadian company - Bluedot in late December, long before the Chinese or WHO officially "announced" it. This early pandemic warning resulted in the immediate banning of all flights from out of China as hundreds of thousands were fleeing Wuhan to major cities worldwide..

How this Canadian start-up spotted coronavirus before everyone else knew about it

Wish I could give that guy a virtual hand shake. Brilliant. Thanks for the share.

Then imagine he went from initial discovery in late Dec to Trudeau's wife testing Positive Mid March.

[Medon]

Countries have reported a rise in unemployment rate, USA, Spain, Australia, the UK have all announced increasing levels of unemployment. So if no vaccine or cure is found soon, the world should witness unprecedented unemployment rates.

[Kay King]

Countries have reported a rise in unemployment rate, USA, Spain, Australia, the UK have all announced increasing levels of unemployment.

Really? A rise in unemployment is a natural by-product of shutting down businesses to contorl a pandemic. For most, it is temporary.

in late December, long before the Chinese or WHO officially "announced" it. This early pandemic warning resulted in the immediate banning of all flights from out of China

I've read a lot of 20/20 hindsight this past week in various media and comments. Late December was not 'long before' - it was the end of Dec when China first acknowledge 'a new virus'. it was late january before China acknowledge a death.

Every other year there are 'warnings' of a flu outbreak of some sort - MOST of the time it amounts to little or nothing - once in a while it is SARS or swine flue....once in a GREAT while it is a covid-19. It's like predicting hurricanes - if every year you write articles claiming 'this is the year the big one will hit' - sooner or later you will be right. Doesn't make you brilliant - just persistent.

The US restricted flights from China on jan 31 - Canada did the same a week or two later - in both countries, the politicians complained, said it was not necessary, called it fear baiting. The W.H.O. did not declare a 'health emergency' until Jan 30. W.H.O. did not declare a 'pandemic' until Mar 11.

You cannot react to a pandemic until there is a pandemic. I've seen 'journalists' writing that we 'should have done something in November or December'. What do you DO before there's a problem? You can't stop flights or limit activity without a clear and present danger. If that were the case there would be a global emergency every year. What we have now are media sources and political entities trying to 're-position' timelines to make themselves look good or to argue political positions. The timelines are what they are - they don't change with opinion.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Really? A rise in unemployment is a natural by-product of shutting down businesses to contorl a pandemic. For most, it is temporary.


I've read a lot of 20/20 hindsight this past week in various media and comments. Late December was not 'long before' - it was the end of Dec when China first acknowledge 'a new virus'. it was late january before China acknowledge a death.

Every other year there are 'warnings' of a flu outbreak of some sort - MOST of the time it amounts to little or nothing - once in a while it is SARS or swine flue....once in a GREAT while it is a covid-19. It's like predicting hurricanes - if every year you write articles claiming 'this is the year the big one will hit' - sooner or later you will be right. Doesn't make you brilliant - just persistent.

I agree. After the fact 'warnings' come out when politically convenient. The vast majority of us were perfectly unaware of anything remotely dangerous until the last day or so in February....February 26th was the first case in the US.

Anyone in the US at that time that said we should lock down would have been declared an alarmist, and would have been laughed at.

On the other hand, unrelated to any blame...in just two months, this virus went from one official case in the US to a million. And that's just people people who got tested, meaning they were sick enough to get tested. Deaths from documented cases went from one (at the end of March) to just shy of 60,000......and that's with masks, closed businesses, and people staying at home the last 5 weeks.

It is the rate of growth, lethality, and lack of effective treatment that makes this a real threat.


I really think this is changing our culture. Eating in restaurants is going to take a long time before it comes back. Cruises, flights, subway trips, large gatherings, working out at gyms? These may take years to fully rebound.

Elections will be different. I doubt there will be conventions this year.

Heck, if it weren't for the fact that I'm so close to retirement, and have money saved...this last couple of months...and the next several months...would put me completely out of business. My entire industry is decimated already. My suppliers are telling me about massive numbers of permanent closings, unpaid bills,

For 35 years I sold high end vacuum cleaners in people's homes. This virus has permanently killed off the last remaining embers of that business.

We'll all adapt. We always have. And in ten years, we'll probably see a new "Normal", and we'll get used to it.

Anyway, I'm reopening our store on May 4th. Overhead doesn't take a vacation.

[Kay King]

Anyone in the US at that time that said we should lock down would have been declared an alarmist, and would have been laughed at.

On Jan 14 the W.H.O. claimed 'no evidence of person-to-person spread'...and that was back when we trusted that organization. I think many people are truly frightened at how much control we DON'T have over something like this.

On Feb 4 - the virus problem was mentioned in the SOTU - mainly because limiting flights the week before had been loudly dissed. The reaction to that was a claim of 'lies and fear mongering' from the 'other side'. It had to get worse before it got everyone's attention.

I don't understand the people intent on arguing 'what was done and when' - it serves no purpose except to appease political gods (note small 'g').

We need to move ahead - we don't get do-overs. If nothing else, it's clear countries/states/people that do not fund their 'rainy day accounts' are in trouble in times like this. I think govts around the world have learned harsh lessons and the reactions to this pandemic will fill a lot of books in years to come.

I go back to real life Saturday - soft opening at the horse farm with a full day of trail rides scheduled. We will use disinfectant wipes on reins and saddles in between riders. I won't be dealing with people much - we have a couple dozen horses that have not been ridden for months so I'll be riding them to make sure they remember their manners.

By Sunday, I'll be saying 'ouch' a lot....got to get back in shape. The older I get the harder that is....


EDIT: Good news today - the University will not go back to 'in person' classes until next fall so my d-in-law will continue working at home through the summer. She's loving it!

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

By Sunday, I'll be saying 'ouch' a lot....got to get back in shape. The older I get the harder that is....

One good thing about my business...is that it doesn't make my butt sore.



Huh? Anyone? Am I right?

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I go back to real life Saturday - soft opening at the horse farm with a full day of trail rides scheduled. We will use disinfectant wipes on reins and saddles in between riders. I won't be dealing with people much - we have a couple dozen horses that have not been ridden for months so I'll be riding them to make sure they remember their manners.

Now you made Claude sad.. he doesn't have a life.

Originally Posted by Kay King

I go back to real life Saturday - soft opening at the horse farm with a full day of trail rides scheduled. We will use disinfectant wipes on reins and saddles in between riders. I won't be dealing with people much - we have a couple dozen horses that have not been ridden for months so I'll be riding them to make sure they remember their manners.

That is a "unknown" in Claude's world, so we have to point Claude in the right direction: Wet wipe - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by Kay King

By Sunday, I'll be saying 'ouch' a lot....got to get back in shape. The older I get the harder that is....

I can only wish I had that problem (Cough, Cough).

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

One good thing about my business...is that it <snip> makes my butt sore.

Huh? Anyone? Am I right?

Yeah, but there is a lady in the room, so I will be a gentleman (for once) and just say... there must be a long line at the store.

[Kay King]

Jeffery - Just curious. When yo uare all alone with your wife does the phrase 'very bad boy' come up often?(yes, intended)

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Jeffery - Just curious. When yo uare all alone with your wife does the phrase 'very bad boy' come up often?(yes, intended)

Yes, and something about things that 'come up' and 'social distancing' in the same phrase.. er, the story of my life.

[whateverpedia]

[qwikaddotcom]

Florida is starting to get back to business. Despite the criticism DeSantis keeps moving forward. He's also a huge Trump supporter, so you can imagine all the negativity his approach has gotten, even though the stats are showing there's a huge decline in new cases. What's interesting Orlando has just a handful of cases, Miami, on the other hand, has 10K+ because it's a favorite destination of most NY / global flights. So, the South will be first to open. Then the West coast. And the East coast... well, who knows.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

One good thing about my business...is that it doesn't make my butt sore.



Huh? Anyone? Am I right?

But the one you run in the cellar below does

[Princess Balestra]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Yes, and something about things that 'come up' and 'social distancing' in the same phrase.. er, the story of my life.

There's a parable in evry parabola, I guess.


Meanwhiles, gotta figure we at the start of the ???-in' 20s, whatevah is gowin' on rn.


Hundred years ago the 20s roared.


I would wanna think we can do summa that still.


Jus' need the right snorkel, I guess ...

[whateverpedia]

The Karma Bus picks up another passenger:

An organiser of a North Carolina protest group that has been calling on the state to ease lockdown restriction has tested positive for Covid-19.

Audrey Whitlock, who runs the Facebook page ReOpen NC, has been urging residents of the US state of North Carolina to revolt against mandatory self-isolation and social distancing being imposed because of the pandemic.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12328911

[whateverpedia]

Originally Posted by qwikaddotcom

So, the South will be first to open. Then the West coast. And the East coast... well, who knows.

And if the virus runs rampant (as it has done everywhere where the authorities thought it was under control - see Singapore, Japan) once more, what then?

Exactly how many deaths are acceptable?

[kenmichaels]

National Guard Protecting Maryland's Coronavirus Tests
in Undisclosed Location so Federal Government Can't Seize Them

https://www.newsweek.com/national-gu...rnment-1501309

...and people are celebrating because they think the craziness is almost over.
TBH...I think it's just beginning.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

And if the virus runs rampant (as it has done everywhere where the authorities thought it was under control - see Singapore, Japan) once more, what then?

Exactly how many deaths are acceptable?

This goes against any feeling of empathy...but there really is a number.

When the speed limit on highways was reduced to 55 or 60 miles per hour, the death rate from accidents went down. If they lowered the speed limit to 30 miles an hour...it would almost disappear.

But the country wouldn't stand for a 30 mile an hour highway speed limit...even though it saved lives. And a 90 mile an hour limit costs too much in lives....so it's usually 60 mph. A compromise.

A month ago, most of the country shut down. Unemployment skyrocketed, and many businesses are in fear of going out of business. Maybe most small businesses.

And so, this month, many states are opening back up...with varying degrees of restrictions. And the pandemic will resume growing.

But at some point (probably within the next month) we will, as a country, find an acceptable level of deaths, to keep the economy moving....at least limping.

One thought is that the majority of cases, and deaths, are coming from just a few sources....nursing homes, prisons, and factories where the employees are very close together on a line....and of course, the doctors and nurses that take care of the elderly and the sick.

For some reason, meat processing plants aren't all shutting down. And prisoners aren't all separated (the tested positives from the negatives). Some states are taking action, some are not.

Sweden has a solution. No isolation except for the elderly. Their death rate is 3 times the surrounding countries....but to them acceptable.

I suspect that in a month or two, a new normal will emerge. Maybe wearing masks and social distancing, but most businesses re-opening, except where huge crowds gather, like churches, sporting events, large conventions.

I posted on Facebook that the US has only 5% of the world's population but almost exactly 33% of the cases. Someone said that China is under reporting their cases....so I did the math. And I said that if you tripled the reported cases from China, we still would be about 30% of the world's cases.

That irritated this fellow. Numbers and math can anger people who have a different world view I suppose.

I just know I'm not going to an event until a vaccine is available, or sit down in a restaurant. In my store, I'll wear a mask. And keep away from the customers...assuming they come back.

[Kay King]

A close friend of ours work in hong kong and in China about half the time...his last trip back from china was just before Christmas. He didn't feel well for a week or two and then his wife 'caught it' from him.

They just learned they HAD this virus and didn't know it. Thankfully they both had light symptoms.

Exactly how many deaths are acceptable?

That sort of statement is often used to shut down a debate. After all, NO deaths are acceptable...right? But is the risk of dying form a virus worse than than the risk of losing your home, your car, of having your children hungry? Not every person or family is in the same 'position' - not every geographical area carries the same level of risk.

I just posted something in the 'silver linings' thread - maybe i should have posted it in this one instead. It doesn't work to ask 'how many deaths' - because in every true crisis there are casualties and collateral damage numbers are often used to explain them.

I think I've said before - my family could live this way for a long time. We have 3 adults in the house and no income loss - it's a no drama, low stress household. I can't imagine how difficult this must be for someone in a domestic abuse situation or for someone with no money for food or utilities or rent.

Rules need to be flexible to adapt to different needs - and we need, as human beings, to be less judgmental and demanding. We cannot keep the world closed down until this virus disappears - we have to manage it and go back to living our lives.

My son just returned from a major grocery trip - he said there was no one IN THE STORE that did not have a mask on. He also noted several who frequently touched the outside of their mask which would seem to defeat the purpose.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Kay King

A close friend of ours work in hong kong and in China about half the time...his last trip back from china was just before Christmas. He didn't feel well for a week or two and then his wife 'caught it' from him.

They just learned they HAD this virus and didn't know it. Thankfully they both had light symptoms.

I think I've said before - my family could live this way for a long time. We have 3 adults in the house and no income loss - it's a no drama, low stress household. I can't imagine how difficult this must be for someone in a domestic abuse situation or for someone with no money for food or utilities or rent.

Rules need to be flexible to adapt to different needs - and we need, as human beings, to be less judgmental and demanding. We cannot keep the world closed down until this virus disappears - we have to manage it and go back to living our lives.

My son just returned from a major grocery trip - he said there was no one IN THE STORE that did not have a mask on. He also noted several who frequently touched the outside of their mask which would seem to defeat the purpose.

I see a majority of people when things open up.. doing what they can do to build a financial cushion of a few months ..with interest rates so low or possibly going in the negative on bank accounts.. it might take the form of people getting a few months ahead on rent .. or mortgage payments .. or getting a few securde credit card and building up those balances ..or credit limits .

but so many changes the next 3-5 years will be setting up the economy we will have for the next 50