Coronavirus? Not worthy of a mention here???

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Speculation. Conjecture. Guessing.

Not much to go on to do much other than "wait and see", is there? Will it blow over and be gone by Spring? Just the beginning?

Will the China shutdown slow the world economy? What is at stake, if anything?

Do you have any sort of an opportunistic venture? We don't know, YET. But it is rapidly becoming top of mind trending...for now. It could trigger another "cycle", this one a downturn in the world economy, a lower stock market, higher unemployment, or is it more let's sweat that bridge when we get to it?

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I did post about it - when it delayed (and still has) an Amazon order placed in January...it's a problem for drop shippers....and a major disruption in business for China.



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    It's Mother Nature thinning the herd.

    The planet currently has 40% more humans than it can sustain.

    Something has to give.

    As far as "top of mind" it's not for me. I don't see how it could impact my life unless it kills me. I'm not long for this world in any case, so...
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      yea, Sometimes the planet has to be cleared and it does
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        Originally Posted by weabove View Post

        yea, Sometimes the planet has to be cleared and it does
        Stupidest thing yet. If saying that gets me banned, then I'm more than OK with that too.

        Has it become a "let em die", we need to make money (live) deal at this point?

        The problem with the thinning the herd attitude is...lack of aim toward our enemies.

        It is OK, for your daughter, your wife, your mother, your uncle or aunt to go ahead and give up the ghost...but it isn't OK for mine. See?

        If your daughter had it, and was sick as a dying dog, maybe you'd sing a different tune.

        Yes, hundreds of thousands die every day, a part of living. But to make comparisons between those who die from this, that or the other vs. a killing machine disease which doesn't have a cure...wow.

        WOW,

        If I can put names on the list, and make sure some names are NOT on the list, then I'm all for letting the planet clear itself. I wonder what that rainbow promise would look like then?

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    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Speculation. Conjecture. Guessing.

    Not much to go on to do much other than "wait and see", is there? Will it blow over and be gone by Spring? Just the beginning?

    Will the China shutdown slow the world economy? What is at stake, if anything?

    Do you have any sort of an opportunistic venture? We don't know, YET. But it is rapidly becoming top of mind trending...for now. It could trigger another "cycle", this one a downturn in the world economy, a lower stock market, higher unemployment, or is it more let's sweat that bridge when we get to it?

    GordonJ
    I read about it today, or best estimates are a 8 to 12 billion hole in our economy, (AU) or minus any surpluses, less than 10.

    There is even talk it will put AU into a mini recession, which l doubt AU, has had just as big hits in our past and paid it off,...eventually.

    Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

    It's Mother Nature thinning the herd.

    The planet currently has 40% more humans than it can sustain.

    Something has to give.

    As far as "top of mind" it's not for me. I don't see how it could impact my life unless it kills me. I'm not long for this world in any case, so...
    1800 current death rate isn't really thinning, although if we opened our gates to all and the worst happened about 1 million Aussies could be dead or ill.

    Could affect the tourist side of the stock market, but it seems to be leaving the key indices alone.

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  • Profile picture of the author James London
    Opens up a great niche opportunity to say the least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Khloe Hunter
    This is going to have quite an impact.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    CNN News published less than an hour ago.

    Coronavirus death toll rises above 2,000 worldwide
    Updated 8:32 a.m. ET, February 19, 2020

    The death toll: The novel coronavirus has now killed more than 2,000 people, all but six of them in mainland China. It has infected more than 75,000 people, with over 1,000 cases outside mainland China.

    What's happening on the cruise ship: The remaining passengers aboard the Diamond Princess in Japan began disembarking Wednesday after a 14-day quarantine. A total of 624 cases of the virus are linked to the stricken ship.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    has now killed more than 2,000 people, all but six of them in mainland China
    That says a lot about the quick decisions made and action taken by other countries dealing with travel that could spread the virus. The common wisdom (from past epidemics) is that weather will end the disease - that would happen about April according to experts.

    This will drive many drop shippers out of business, won't it? Those who have the capital to sustain a downturn will be OK - those small online marketers who are selling piece by piece and relying on income from one product to buy the next...will need to find something else to do.

    Will large manufacturers decide to spread some of their business outside China - or will humans do as usual and forget the problem once it goes away...for now? Will consumers begin to demand sellers like ebay and Amazon and Google give accurate 'ship from' locations rather than 'port of entry'?

    Whether natural disaster or the favorite term 'black swan' -businesses surviving on the edge will be gone. The hit to China's economy is huge and, to me, that's the one to watch for the next few months.

    My guess is once the cases decline and the problem is no longer in the news daily - people will forget it. That's what happens after major hurricanes and earthquakes, tornadoes, wildfires, and floods. The damage to the Chinese economy is huge.


    Loss to cruise ship lines will be significant - and to travel companies and tour companies... I figure when people take a cruise they are knowingly accepting the risk of whatever part of the world they are visiting.



    Opens up a great niche opportunity to say the least.
    Just curious - what niche would that be?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    https://money.cnn.com/2009/10/22/new...and_sanitizer/


    note 2009 date - there were other similar articles for each flu outbreak since


    In South Korea it's a crime to 'hoard' face masks or sanitizer - yet experts say there is no proof either of those is sufficient protection.


    Probably regional shortages - shopping yesterday the aisles of several stores had big displays of hand sanitizers, lysol sprays to kill germs, etc.



    Is 'fear' a niche?
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      In South Korea it's a crime to 'hoard' face masks or sanitizer - yet experts say there is no proof either of those is sufficient protection.
      People have hoarded face masks here since the eruption of Taal Volcano, and accentuated by the virus.
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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

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    This will drive many drop shippers out of business, won't it? Those who have the capital to sustain a downturn will be OK - those small online marketers who are selling piece by piece and relying on income from one product to buy the next...will need to find something else to do.

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    Yes, I believe many small online marketers will need to find something else to do based on the mentality that many of the beginners on this forum and other forums shoot for Get Rich Quick drop shipping schemes since the quick buck in drop shipping will no longer be the quick buck it was purported to be by the snake oil peddlers.

    But we know how snake oil peddlers are - there will be a new way to promoted the next big thing.

    I'm already seeing members in other forums involved in drop shipping asking about ideas for a new 'side hustle' and I am certain the snake oil peddlers are contriving to fill that.

    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


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    Probably regional shortages - shopping yesterday the aisles of several stores had big displays of hand sanitizers, lysol sprays to kill germs, etc.

    Is 'fear' a niche?

    Yes, definitely. You know I buy wholesale and resell at flea-markets. I had my share of wholesale offers for the sanitizers, etc. Also, bottled water, bread machines and of all things.. vegetable seeds!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      Yes, I believe many small online marketers will need to find something else to do based on the mentality that many of the beginners on this forum and other forums shoot for Get Rich Quick drop shipping schemes since the quick buck in drop shipping will no longer be the quick buck it was purported to be by the snake oil peddlers.

      But we know how snake oil peddlers are - there will be a new way to promoted the next big thing.

      As a Certified Snake Oil Peddler, I find your remarks to be offensive. True, but offensive.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      Yes, of all things.. vegetable seeds!

      For a while now, I have a sneaky suspicion that EVERYTHING runs in cycles. And for the past 60 years or more, the farmers have had the crap beat out of them by the finance guys... the finance guys make all the dough, and the farmer boys get sh*t on year after year.



      Well.. CYCLES can't last forever, or they wouldn't be "cycles."

      So, would it be tough to believe or envision that FARMERS will have their day in the sun, and the FINANCE boys will have to get jobs driving taxi's or if they are lucky, driving tractors?



      There is now a resurgence in farming by hand, without the tractor, and guess what??? If you get rid of the tractor, you actually make more money.

      Tractor farmers make something like $300 per year per acre.

      "No-Till" farmers make something like $100,000 OR MORE per year per acre.

      Tractor farmers need 1,000 acres and a bank as a partner.

      The "No-Till" farmers need one acre, and they can tell the banker to kiss off.

      Also note: The tractor farmers typically know NOTHING about "direct marketing". They sell to Walmart and Costco and the commodity exchange for pennies, mere pennies on the dollar.

      But the "No-Till" farmers LOVE marketing direct to end users. They get top dollar. They can even do a mini-version of the "futures" market with a setup called CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).. getting paid UP FRONT for the harvest later on.



      It does no good to make all that money in marketing if there is nothing to eat. Grow your own. And fast.



      You might want to know who the heroes are in the gardening/farming universe: Joel Salatin, Singing Frogs Farm, john martin fortier. Curtis Stone, Eliot Coleman, Greg Judy, , 100,000 Beating Hearts, and others.



      If you want "SUCCESS" in life, it must come with SUCCESS IN THE GARDEN.



      GET THIS-- All those folks in the city, are so very dependent on produce coming in from the rural areas... the rural guys can get along just fine without the entertainment and gambling opportunities of the city guys... but not the other way around.



      Learn to grow, garlic, and tomatoes, tobacco and spinach, Success is really all about satisfaction.

      Just thinking.

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        It is very good and thanks for sharing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    of all things.. vegetable seeds!
    That might be the smartest request of all.

    I know a man who is a self proclaimed 'prepper'. He's spent a fortune on preserved foods and water purification stuff and tools and appliances (some electric) and generators to run the stuff but no plan for what to do if gasoline is not available. He said that's 'one of things I still need to work out.'

    When I asked about chicken feed or livestock supplies...he answered "I'm not a farmer"....same reason he gave for a limited supply of garden seed. He definitely would buy a 'bread machine' - lol.

    Not sure who is going to restock his grocery store after the sky falls... That man is the reason I tend to confuse the words 'woke' and 'weak'.
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    Linwood,


    Care to say what is really on your mind? Mean that in a good way.
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    We gotta remembah always how mortal endeavor an' mortifyin' forces go hand in hand.

    Always there are circumstances beyond our control that inflooence the control we have ovah stuff.

    rn I would wanna wonder 'bout anywan dyin' ... or real scared 'bout dowin' the same bcs they close to where bad stuff is gowin' down.

    Deal here in downtown amygdalalaland is same as if you got a shootin' ... or your local volcano spat its load ovah your ass ... 'part from the global transmissivity & its potential impact.

    Fear is ... this could spread anyplace.

    An' the deal here is same as the fires ragin' down in Oz an' alla them calamitious stuffs suggest there is srs happenstanso way bigger than individyools an' their corporations & nations to fix.

    Far as I can see, most sales stuff rocks out on 2 essential premises.

    1) Gimme what I want.

    2) Lemme keep what I got.

    Fundamental to both is a bedrock of certainty which what you might wanna call nachrl disasters diminishes big time.

    Ansa here is both immediate an' long term.

    Gotta do evrythin' we can to contain the outbreak based on all the science stuff we got, an' try not to wappo out all stoopid along the way.

    In regulah towns, regulah people get all kindsa regulah ill -- an' VIRUS PANIC among the doobiously hypochondriac don't help nowan.

    Next thing is, hey for sure we don't fully know all the WHY, WHAT an' HOW -- but this virus persists bcs there is a BECAUSE.

    Jus' gotta unravel that, which is why I love science so in my atrophication as a writer of crapola.

    As citizens of the planet (no runnin' away now!), mebbe we all wakin' up to how there ain't evah no safe & secure refuge less'ns we zap out on myootyual smartness to figure all the stuff happnin' beyond our bathroom mirrors of Glory Reflection.

    An' I say this with soopreme humility bcs frankly whenevah I gaze into mine, it is all I can do to refrain from lookin' trooly delish.

    The worst kinda terror rages wild when there is nuthin' we can do.

    Which says to Moi we gotta bring all the smart stuff we got to bear 'pon these kindsa ishoos.

    Bcs otherwise all the downhome stuff don't get to happen so good.

    Who wants a luxury mobile tannin' salon visitin' their home -- complete with hunky masseurs -- when it is 113 degrees in the shade, an' all the hunky masseurs got their whammo bobbles destroyed by a global testosterone-destroyin' parasite spawned from outta noplace?
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    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    Yes, I believe many small online marketers will need to find something else to do based on the mentality that many of the beginners on this forum and other forums shoot for Get Rich Quick drop shipping schemes since the quick buck in drop shipping will no longer be the quick buck it was purported to be by the snake oil peddlers.

    But we know how snake oil peddlers are - there will be a new way to promoted the next big thing.

    I'm already seeing members in other forums involved in drop shipping asking about ideas for a new 'side hustle' and I am certain the snake oil peddlers are contriving to fill that.

    Yes, definitely. You know I buy wholesale and resell at flea-markets. I had my share of wholesale offers for the sanitizers, etc. Also, bottled water, bread machines and of all things.. vegetable seeds!
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    As a Certified Snake Oil Peddler, I find your remarks to be offensive. True, but offensive.

    Claude,


    Unfortunately, a WF Leash has been put on me, so I can't good naturedly joke with 'you' anymore.


    Jeffery
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  • Profile picture of the author pramodtapu
    I think a big turn of the china economics and health point. Its effect goes to long time for china.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I am a virologist who went through the SARS crisis in Hong Kong in 2003. At that time, my laboratory had the largest collection of SARS virus cultures in the world.

    Things are much faster moving this time round. The outlook has worsened markedly in the past 48 hours. We have local outbreaks in Italy, Iran and S. Korea with seemingly no connection to China. The chances of a pandemic has increased exponentially. In fact, it may even have passed the stage that a pandemic is preventable. In a pandemic, every country will be affected and have outbreaks. Unless you shut yourself off from the rest of the world.

    The hope is that when the summer months come, the virus will spread less efficiently and perhaps die out like SARS. However, there is no guarantee that this will happen. In fact, the virus is spreading in Singapore which has a tropical climate. Hopefully vaccines and more effective treatments will be available in future.
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    Something has to give.
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    The great Murray Rothbard said "An entrepreneur is nothing more than a speculator".

    We as marketers must keep our eye on what's coming down the road so we can take action, to avoid harm or ride a wave.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo View Post

      The great Murray Rothbard said "An entrepreneur is nothing more than a speculator".

      We as marketers must keep our eye on what's coming down the road so we can take action, to avoid harm or ride a wave.
      Death rate stands at 2700, with most from China, and in AU, hand sanitizer sales are still booming. So much so Coles is increasing orders to keep the shelves stocked up.

      But medical experts are saying that it isn't necessary, unless you are working in close contact with someone infested, and are advising people to not wear masks in public as it is useless and only depletes much needed stocks for hospitals.

      He also said that around 750,000 Aussies could be infected if the worst case scenario happened.

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    750,000 - not anyone I'd listen to. Australis has 25 cases and 15 have recovered...


    I've found it best to ignore the media's attempt to create panic - and I just check a site (not related to me in any way) for the numbers.



    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      750,000 - not anyone I'd listen to. Australis has 25 cases and 15 have recovered...


      I've found it best to ignore the media's attempt to create panic - and I just check a site (not related to me in any way) for the numbers.



      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

      https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut..._growth_model/
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          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          The problem is that this link likely takes its cue from Chinese official figures.

          I'm not a biostatistician, but I did find this:

          In terms of the virus data, the number of cumulative deaths reported is described by a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy, according to a quantitative-finance specialist who ran a regression of the data for Barron's. A near-perfect 99.99% of variance is explained by the equation, this person said.

          Put in an investing context, that variance, or so-called r-squared value, would mean that an investor could predict tomorrow's stock price with almost perfect accuracy. In this case, the high r-squared means there is essentially zero unexpected variability in reported cases day after day.


          Barron's re-created the regression analysis of total deaths caused by the virus, which first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan at the end of last year, and found similarly high variance. We ran it by Melody Goodman, associate professor of biostatistics at New York University's School of Global Public Health.

          "I have never in my years seen an r-squared of 0.99," Goodman says. "As a statistician, it makes me question the data."

          Real human data are never perfectly predictive when it comes to something like an epidemic, Goodman says, since there are countless ways that a person could come into contact with the virus.
          For context, Goodman says a "really good" r-squared, in terms of public health data, would be a 0.7. "Anything like 0.99," she said, "would make me think that someone is simulating data. It would mean you already know what is going to happen."
          https://www.barrons.com/articles/chi...oo-51581622840
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      750,000 - not anyone I'd listen to. Australis has 25 cases and 15 have recovered...


      I've found it best to ignore the media's attempt to create panic
      - and I just check a site (not related to me in any way) for the numbers.



      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
      And this is the exact BULL SHIT opinion that will end up costing 1000s (or maybe millions) of lives. The media has been FACTUAL the entire time.

      Take responsibility for your BS of framing this as an attempt by the media to cause a "panic" weeks ago. Your comments were even more damaging than any conspiracy theory.

      "It's just the media trying to create a panic". Yeah right.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        And this is the exact BULL SHIT opinion that will end up costing 1000s (or maybe millions) of lives. The media has been FACTUAL the entire time.
        Kurt; That was a tad more than 2 weeks ago. The world is different now.

        Two weeks ago, it depended on where you heard the news, or if you heard it at all. Now? The CDC and World Health Organization have real numbers, as well as real numbers in the US. Believe me, two weeks ago, I was singing a different tune.

        The real news (Not MSNBC or FOX) has been accurate all along. It's hard to ignore the role the political commentators play in molding our opinions. But now we have cold hard facts from the real experts. And it's getting through.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Kurt; That was a tad more than 2 weeks ago. The world is different now.

          Two weeks ago, it depended on where you heard the news, or if you heard it at all. Now? The CDC and World Health Organization have real numbers, as well as real numbers in the US. Believe me, two weeks ago, I was singing a different tune.

          The real news (Not MSNBC or FOX) has been accurate all along. It's hard to ignore the role the political commentators play in molding our opinions. But now we have cold hard facts from the real experts. And it's getting through.
          It's ironic you imply the WHO is free of political commentary.

          There's a very glaring omission in WHO membership which should give you pause.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    A thought occurred to me regarding the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. This takes place around the end of July and attracts over 2 million people each year.

    If COVID19 hasn't been controlled and there's still no vaccine available by then, will the Saudi authorities call it off this year?

    MODERATORS PLEASE NOTE THIS ISN'T A POST ABOUT RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HAVING OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD CONVERGING IN ONE AREA AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN RETURNING HOME.

    Furthermore, how is each nation going to handle the quarantine procedure for that many people? Obviously they're not going to be allowed to just waltz through the airports and return to their respective communities. It's going to be a nightmare considering how many airports will need to be covered for returning pilgrims.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      A thought occurred to me regarding the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. This takes place around the end of July and attracts over 2 million people each year.

      If COVID19 hasn't been controlled and there's still no vaccine available by then, will the Saudi authorities call it off this year?

      MODERATORS PLEASE NOTE THIS ISN'T A POST ABOUT RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HAVING OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD CONVERGING IN ONE AREA AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN RETURNING HOME.

      Furthermore, how is each nation going to handle the quarantine procedure for that many people? Obviously they're not going to be allowed to just waltz through the airports and return to their respective communities. It's going to be a nightmare considering how many airports will need to be covered for returning pilgrims.

      Watty, your logic always impresses me. To think that far ahead and question the consequences is epic .


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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    By July, my guess is this won't be in the news every day. If it is, it will be up to the people and the leaders involved to make some hard decisions.

    The only space you control is the space YOU are in. It's up to each affected or potentially infected country to use methods to protect their citizens. It's up to individuals to use common sense - when did that ever happen?

    So, how will this story wrap up? Experts say one possibility is that cases of the disease will start decreasing when enough people develop immunity, either through infection or vaccination. Another possible scenario is that the virus will continue to circulate and establish itself as a common respiratory virus.

    Media likes to compare this virus with SARS from 2003 - but perhaps it's only the latest mutation. A virus doesn't disappear but it can weaken as the population develops antibodies - it can mutate to a different strain.


    This virus is like a tsunami or a hurricane - it will go where it is going to go. We will adapt.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Same link I posted above - and it may not be accurate entirely - but it's a good overview of why the current hysteria in MOST countries is overplayed.


    China may not be giving accurate numbers - but we can only work with what they provide.



    Today the news is all over with the 'new case in Chicago' - not mentioning it's the only new case today and the only one in Chicago.
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    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    A thought occurred to me regarding the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. This takes place around the end of July and attracts over 2 million people each year.

    If COVID19 hasn't been controlled and there's still no vaccine available by then, will the Saudi authorities call it off this year?

    MODERATORS PLEASE NOTE THIS ISN'T A POST ABOUT RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HAVING OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD CONVERGING IN ONE AREA AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN RETURNING HOME.

    Furthermore, how is each nation going to handle the quarantine procedure for that many people? Obviously they're not going to be allowed to just waltz through the airports and return to their respective communities. It's going to be a nightmare considering how many airports will need to be covered for returning pilgrims.

    How Iran Became a New Epicenter of the Coronavirus Outbreak
    NewYorker.com February 28, 2020

    Excerpts:

    Iran's deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, in a press conference on Monday told reporters that the Islamic Republic had "almost stabilized" the country's outbreak of coronavirus.

    Harirchi dismissed as hype an Iranian lawmaker's claim that fifty people had already died from COVID-19. "I will resign if the numbers are even half or a quarter of this," he said, adding that Iran had only sixty-one confirmed cases, with twelve deaths.

    The next day, Harirchi confirmed in a video - from quarantine - that he had contracted coronavirus.

    Iran, a country of eighty-three million people, has now become one of the global epicenters of the coronavirus - with the highest mortality rate in the world.

    Thursday, the Vice-President, Masoumeh Ebtekar -who gained fame in 1979 as Sister Mary, the spokeswoman for the students who seized the U.S. Embassy and took fifty-two Americans hostage--announced that she, too, had contracted the coronavirus.

    The outbreak appears to have started in Qom which draws pilgrims from all over the world.

    ... the head of the shrine in Qom called on pilgrims to keep coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Soooooo...

    So far, a tad over 90,000 have been tested positive for the virus and a tad more than 3,000 have died.

    That's over 3% so far, very high for a virus.

    The problem is that it can take a couple of weeks for symptoms to show. And you can touch a lot of people in 2 weeks.

    My wife is stocking up on food and hand sanitizer for the "Pandemic".

    Me? I'll start worrying when there are 5,000 cases in Ohio. And then it will mean the chances of my getting the virus will be about 1% or more.

    It seems like a very severe strain of the flu. 20 times more likely to kill you than the flu, but not like a plague.

    On FOX last night I saw someone asked "Can you catch the Caronavirus if you eat Chinese food?" I'm not joking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Soooooo...





      On FOX last night I saw someone asked "Can you catch the Caronavirus if you eat Chinese food?" I'm not joking.
      i was rreading one of the transmission methods is in fecal matter .the same way heppititis a and e coli can be transmitted .

      so the answer would be any food prepared by those with poor hand washing habits and or now wearing gloves preparing food ..

      but honestly if you eat chinees food and drink a few Coronas at the same time your probable a goner .

      at this point Americans do not really have to worry until it gets into homeless populations in major cities . especially in san fransisco where homeless take care of bodily function any where they wish .
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Soooooo...

      So far, a tad over 90,000 have been tested positive for the virus and a tad more than 3,000 have died.

      That's over 3% so far, very high for a virus.

      The problem is that it can take a couple of weeks for symptoms to show. And you can touch a lot of people in 2 weeks.

      My wife is stocking up on food and hand sanitizer for the "Pandemic".

      Me? I'll start worrying when there are 5,000 cases in Ohio. And then it will mean the chances of my getting the virus will be about 1% or more.

      It seems like a very severe strain of the flu. 20 times more likely to kill you than the flu, but not like a plague.

      On FOX last night I saw someone asked "Can you catch the Caronavirus if you eat Chinese food?" I'm not joking.
      I heard today that people in AU, are doing a runner with toilet paper, and some are even stocking up to resell at inflated prices to the Chinese, which is another opportunity, but not a very nice one.

      And apparently bread is flying off the shelves, which l don't believe since l was at Safeway's on Monday and they where stocked til the hilt.

      I would say that Kay is correct and the media are just making it up as they go alone, which is nothing new for them!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Interesting viral 'news clip' making the rounds...shows how difficult it is for the average person to obey even the most common sense protections.


    A local official in California gave a short speech about protections against the coronavirus - advised the public to wash hand hands frequently and NEVER touch their hands to their face.


    She then licked her index finger to turn to the next page of her notes.....
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Interesting viral 'news clip' making the rounds...shows how difficult it is for the average person to obey even the most common sense protections.

      A local official in California gave a short speech about protections against the coronavirus - advised the public to wash hand hands frequently and NEVER touch their hands to their face.

      She then licked her index finger to turn to the next page of her notes.....
      But she washed her hands first!

      It is insane in AU, at the moment, or l went to Safeway, (Woolies) yesterday and the shelves where stripped of toilet paper, paper towels and tissues.

      Officeworks similar, but they at least had some tissues left, (grabbed 4, and those annoying paper towels they use in toilet blocks).

      Then tried an independent supermarket, and they had half a dozen left, (half dozen rolls of 4 or 8) so grabbed a few.

      Everyone was curtious and only took what they needed, unlike some who are proffering from this, and others who don't think they just panic.

      Had a chat to someone at OW about this and she said that some have gone to Cosco, with a panel van, and just spent all day going back and forth loading up.

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  • Profile picture of the author AdmanMrWoo
    Time to brush up on the FOUR THIEVES VINEGAR DRINK.

    Story goes: The thieves were stealing stuff from those who died from the plague.

    They did not die because they drank a vinegar concoction with garlic, honey, etc.
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  • I have a trip booked to Florida next week, should I postpone it? I don't know how safe it is to fly right now with this virus... Thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

      I have a trip booked to Florida next week, should I postpone it? I don't know how safe it is to fly right now with this virus... Thoughts?
      I live in Florida and I don't know what the truth is.

      I have access to civil defense, 911, police and school network due to family and whatnot. ALL of them started preparing for some bad stuff two weeks ago.

      Which in my mind is great - but they weren't saying anything publicly.

      Now they are.

      The stores I have been to are empty of people and supplies, I was driving at rush hour yesterday in the heart of the city with hardly any traffic.

      It feels just like hurricane season, with the exception...I have never seen a group of people hush talking and crying about being afraid of dying and having their family wiped out due to asthma. The old people who are out are doing that. The young ones are on the beach parting...its spring break and bike week. The time of year a lot of people in this area make their money for the entire year.

      So that alone is a recipe for disaster...lots of people are going to be hurting next year over this. I bet a lot of the seasonal bizz will be lost forever this year.

      As far as getting into a plane - not me, not for a while. AND if it is safe what are you going to do when you get here? I think as things progress more and more places will shut down.

      A smart bet says you might get stranded here if you do fly.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Looks like Italy is going to follow China by quarantining an entire province.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238

    All schools here in Hong Kong have been closed since late January till April 20th. It is a massive headache for us and other parents. I am thinking of sending my younger daughter for a visit to her aunt in Germany for 3 weeks. But it looks likely that a major outbreak will happen in Germany. If that happens, she may be quarantined for 14 days when she gets back to Hong Kong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Medon
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Looks like Italy is going to follow China by quarantining an entire province.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238

      All schools here in Hong Kong have been closed since late January till April 20th. It is a massive headache for us and other parents. I am thinking of sending my younger daughter for a visit to her aunt in Germany for 3 weeks. But it looks likely that a major outbreak will happen in Germany. If that happens, she may be quarantined for 14 days when she gets back to Hong Kong.
      China have come out strongly. They have succeeded in keeping the virus in check. What we don't know is the havoc phase 2 will cause.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Yes, toilet rolls in AU, is getting ridiculous, or l heard of someone in my state, (video on FB or Twitter, but l couldn't be bothered posting it) fighting over a 12 pack, and someone in Sydney using a knife when shelves were restocked.

    When l went to an independent store, we bought what we needed, not some AH grabbing it all.

    But now all shelves are empty including the small ones, which doesn't worry me, but l will order it online if l get down to my last pack, and this demented hysteria continues.

    I really feel for the elderly that don't have a car, and have to use a bus, train and walk to find the stuff, but as most things in our world that rely on spooking the masses, the poor and frail get clobbered.

    I am waiting for a punch up in a car park, because someone brought 10 bundles, and others are desperate.

    Went to Ebay with two selling a 24 pack for $1,500 to $5000, unbelievable, with the funny thing is they have to keep buying constantly to be able to get these sort of insane prices.

    And AU, makes the stuff, so these selfish creatures will be fighting a losing battle.

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Yes, toilet rolls in AU, is getting ridiculous, or l heard of someone in my state, (video on FB or Twitter, but l couldn't be bothered posting it) fighting over a 12 pack, and someone in Sydney using a knife when shelves were restocked.

      When l went to an independent store, we bought what we needed, not some AH grabbing it all.

      But now all shelves are empty including the small ones, which doesn't worry me, but l will order it online if l get down to my last pack, and this demented hysteria continues.

      I really feel for the elderly that don't have a car, and have to use a bus, train and walk to find the stuff, but as most things in our world that rely on spooking the masses, the poor and frail get clobbered.

      I am waiting for a punch up in a car park, because someone brought 10 bundles, and others are desperate.

      Went to Ebay with two selling a 24 pack for $1,500 to $5000, unbelievable, with the funny thing is they have to keep buying constantly to be able to get these sort of insane prices.

      And AU, makes the stuff, so these selfish creatures will be fighting a losing battle.

      "I am waiting for a punch up in a car park, because someone brought 10 bundles, and others are desperate."

      Good one
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Well, the news just broke that it's in my home county now. ugg.

    I'm starting to think that this is going to get worse than most imagine.

    TBH I'm glad my kid and I are healthy and not in a worrisome age bracket,
    but most of my real friends and cherished peeps aren't that healthy and are older.

    My favorite three people are 83, 84 and 85.
    Luckily they live in the real world and not in an assisted living facility.
    I think I'm starting to get genuinely worried for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    This just in, the WHO has just declared coronavirus as a pandemic

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944

    "WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the number of cases outside China had increased 13-fold over the past two weeks.

    He said he was "deeply concerned" by "alarming levels of inaction" over the virus."

    In the meantime, China declares victory over coronavirus

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/a...hnk/index.html

    "As the coronavirus spreads around the world, China has been increasingly vocal about what it appears to feel is a lack of appreciation from the global community for its efforts to contain the outbreak, and preventing the crisis from being even worse than it may turn out to be."

    It is sending help to Italy and other countries.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...lp-italy-fight
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    • Profile picture of the author Medon
      I think the world is right. There is no way China could sit on such crucial information about the disease only to turnaround later when it has spread worldwide with help . It should have sounded a warning much earlier. Doing it 3 months after the virus was discovered in Wuhan was wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Medon
      [QUOTE=derekwong28;11583230]This just in, the WHO has just declared coronavirus as a pandemic

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944

      "WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the number of cases outside China had increased 13-fold over the past two weeks.

      He said he was "deeply concerned" by "alarming levels of inaction" over the virus."

      In the meantime, China declares victory over coronavirus

      https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/a...hnk/index.html

      "As the coronavirus spreads around the world, China has been increasingly vocal about what it appears to feel is a lack of appreciation from the global community for its efforts to contain the outbreak, and preventing the crisis from being even worse than it may turn out to be."

      It is sending help to Italy and other countries.

      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...lp-italy-fight[/QUOTE

      I have said again and again that China's trouble was not sharing information when the world needed it. You dont wait for a man to starve to death before you give him a ton of food. If they had been open we would not be where we are. They should be held responsible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Medon
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      This just in, the WHO has just declared coronavirus as a pandemic

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944

      "WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the number of cases outside China had increased 13-fold over the past two weeks.

      He said he was "deeply concerned" by "alarming levels of inaction" over the virus."

      In the meantime, China declares victory over coronavirus

      https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/a...hnk/index.html

      "As the coronavirus spreads around the world, China has been increasingly vocal about what it appears to feel is a lack of appreciation from the global community for its efforts to contain the outbreak, and preventing the crisis from being even worse than it may turn out to be."

      It is sending help to Italy and other countries.

      https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...lp-italy-fight
      I think this coronavirus thing will make China the poorest country on Earth if the billions of dollars they will pay to compensate countries of the world is anything to go by.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Okey Dokey..

    There are now over 115,000 cases worldwide and 4,200 deaths..

    This makes this about 40 times more lethal than a flu.

    It's now in almost every state in the US.

    Is there a reason to panic? I don't think so....but if you're over the age of 60, or have serious health problems, I sure as heck wouldn't plan a vacation. plane trip, cruise, or go to any large gatherings.

    Because if you're over 65 years old, and get this bug...it may have a 10% chance of killing you. And that's just too high.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Okey Dokey..

      There are now over 115,000 cases worldwide and 4,200 deaths..

      This makes this about 40 times more lethal than a flu.

      It's now in almost every state in the US.

      Is there a reason to panic? I don't think so....but if you're over the age of 60, or have serious health problems, I sure as heck wouldn't plan a vacation. plane trip, cruise, or go to any large gatherings.

      Because if you're over 65 years old, and get this bug...it may have a 10% chance of killing you. And that's just too high.

      Don't know how accurate this is, a few days ago 80+ was at 16%


      COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

      AGE
      DEATH RATE
      80+ years old
      14.8%
      70-79 years old
      8.0%
      60-69 years old
      3.6%
      50-59 years old
      1.3%
      40-49 years old
      0.4%
      30-39 years old
      0.2%
      20-29 years old
      0.2%
      10-19 years old
      0.2%
      0-9 years old
      no fatalities

      COVID-19 Fatality Rate by SEX:

      SEX
      DEATH RATE
      Male
      2.8%
      Female
      1.7%

      COVID-19 Fatality Rate by COMORBIDITY:

      PRE-EXISTING CONDITION
      DEATH RATE
      Cardiovascular disease
      10.5%
      Diabetes
      7.3%
      Chronic respiratory disease
      6.3%
      Hypertension
      6.0%
      Cancer
      5.6%
      no pre-existing conditions
      0.9%



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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This makes this about 40 times more lethal than a flu.

      Expert today said '10x as lethal as seasonal flu'. The info above is eye opening.


      A question no one seems to be asking:


      We have vaccines for 'flu' and in the US there s a big push every year to 'get vaccinated'.....yet from Oct - Feb this 'regular flu season' - 20k people have died of the 'seasonal flu in the US'. Wonder what that number would be WITHOUT vaccines - and why is it so high with vaccines? Mutation of the virus?
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


        A question no one seems to be asking:


        We have vaccines for 'flu' and in the US there s a big push every year to 'get vaccinated'.....yet from Oct - Feb this 'regular flu season' - 20k people have died of the 'seasonal flu in the US'. Wonder what that number would be WITHOUT vaccines - and why is it so high with vaccines? Mutation of the virus?
        The vaccine is only 40 to 60% effective.

        https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

        What happens is that every year, a committee set up by the WHO meets to select the virus strains to be used in the next vaccine. Usually it is one A H3N2 strain, one A H1N1 strain and a B strain. They select the strains which they think will be most prevalent in most parts of the world next year. Of course they can get it wrong. If you catch a strain that is very unrelated to the vaccine strain, you are not going to be protected.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          The vaccine is only 40 to 60% effective.

          https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

          What happens is that every year, a committee set up by the WHO meets to select the virus strains to be used in the next vaccine. Usually it is one A H3N2 strain, one A H1N1 strain and a B strain. They select the strains which they think will be most prevalent in most parts of the world next year. Of course they can get it wrong. If you catch a strain that is very unrelated to the vaccine strain, you are not going to be protected.
          Thanks, I appreciate having someone around who knows what
          they are talking about.
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          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          The vaccine is only 40 to 60% effective.

          https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

          What happens is that every year, a committee set up by the WHO meets to select the virus strains to be used in the next vaccine. Usually it is one A H3N2 strain, one A H1N1 strain and a B strain. They select the strains which they think will be most prevalent in most parts of the world next year. Of course they can get it wrong. If you catch a strain that is very unrelated to the vaccine strain, you are not going to be protected.
          Derek, I just want to take a moment to thank you for the comments you bring to this thread. I appreciate your willingness to freely provide your insights.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains This is from the Joe Rogan Podcast. Worth a listen. It's about 15 minutes.

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains This is from the Joe Rogan Podcast. Worth a listen. It's about 15 minutes.

        How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains | Joe Rogan - YouTube
        I watched most of it, depressing. And you (and I) need to get into eating salads asap.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains This is from the Joe Rogan Podcast. Worth a listen. It's about 15 minutes.
        Holy shiiiiiiiiiii t

        Well - now my list of scared for ( which was about 20 ) has jumped dramatically.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018-2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"

      Interesting. So far, the shutting down of the world has not been implemented every year over the FLU.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018-2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"

        Interesting. So far, the shutting down of the world has not been implemented every year over the FLU.
        It's 10x deadlier then the flu.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          It's 10x deadlier then the flu.
          Yes, granted, so given the amount infections gets as high as the flu does, 10 times more will die, but that's an if. The Corona virus is not seasonal though, it does not come back each year. The Corona Virus will never kill the amount of people Flu has over time and will continue to do so and the inoculations against the flu are included in these figures and we still get this mortality rate.

          If you look at the big picture.....
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Yes, granted, so given the amount infections gets as high as the flu does, 10 times more will die, but that's an if. The Corona virus is not seasonal though, it does not come back each year. The Corona Virus will never kill the amount of people Flu has over time and will continue to do so and the inoculations against the flu are included in these figures and we still get this mortality rate.

            If you look at the big picture.....
            Are you joking?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      And there are rumours from "senior F1 sources" that the Australian F1 Grand Prix is going to be cancelled.

      https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51849163
      Yep, that one is cancelled, due to an update on the virus. So l guess the Melb, international Flower Show will be next?

      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018-2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"

      Interesting. So far, the shutting down of the world has not been implemented every year over the FLU.
      Agreed, but this one can infect everyone in one hit, and it is the one hit that is a worry.

      When hospitals are full and the elderly are forming a cue, then it may get ugly.

      The Spanish Flu killed 50,000,000 from 1918 - 1920, so this is a concern, but a very long way off of being the worst.

      This is an interesting article, which shows that eventhough it may seem like overkill for closing things down, it actually makes a lot of sense to go overboard now than later.

      https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/

      I guess movie theatres will be next!
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yep, that one is cancelled, due to an update on the virus. So l guess the Melb, international Flower Show will be next?



        Agreed, but this one can infect everyone in one hit, and it is the one hit that is a worry.

        When hospitals are full and the elderly are forming a cue, then it may get ugly.

        The Spanish Flu killed 50,000,000 from 1918 - 1920, so this is a concern, but a very long way off of being the worst.

        This is an interesting article, which shows that eventhough it may seem like overkill for closing things down, it actually makes a lot of sense to go overboard now than later.

        https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/

        I guess movie theatres will be next!
        I think you are all missing some points here. The Corona Virus is not showing to be more virulent in spreading than the flu is each year. How many times have you caught the flu in the last ten years. I have never had a flu jab and have not had the Flu in ten years.

        So the odds of you not getting this Corona virus are very good. The fear is that the symptoms are worst if you do, However, if you are in good health you are highly unlikely to die from it. The statistics I want to see is what proportion of the deaths are from elderly people or people with a weak disposition and pre-existing conditions of which a virus like this could carry them off. Something that influenza could also do.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      What a weird time to live in.
      Where I live, the toilet paper is now rare and the supermarkets are packed.

      Ontario just closed down its public schools for two weeks.

      The Quebec premier just publicly proposed closing the US-Canada border.

      3/4 of Canadian exports go to the US. Though no one in Ottawa ever listens to him, to even propose this is bonkers.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Just came back from the shopping ctr, (l risked it) and saw warnings on Woolies, auto checkouts, saying, " that if you horde toilet rolls, pasta, hand towels and the like, we won't refund you, if you can't flog it and a high price increase".

      In a nutshell, but good to see, that these scumbags filling up their houses with 24 packs will be stuck with it.

      They may have to write their autobiography's, lol.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Now a dog has got clobbered.

      Before pasting the link to the latest 'crisis' here - do some research. The virus of the dog is not the same strain but does trigger the test. That story is from 2 weeks ago and has been debunked since then.



      When you found the grocery aisle had no toilet paper - what did you do? Did you scream "NO TP" or go looking for facial tissue or baby wipes or similar alternative?



      I think perhaps those who quietly survive the TP crisis by finding an alternative without drama - are those who have a chance of survival when 'the big one' hits....whatever it is.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        When you found the grocery aisle had no toilet paper - what did you do? Did you scream "NO TP" or go looking for facial tissue or baby wipes or similar alternative?

        I think perhaps those who quietly survive the TP crisis by finding an alternative without drama - are those who have a chance of survival when 'the big one' hits....whatever it is.
        I would do what l said l did in post #57.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Tesla has had its biggest drop in its trading history, or almost 50%.

      I am glad that l am waiting this out and not in the game.

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      They closed the community college I work at for another week

      I was on a week off because they shut down the College for Spring Break. That has been extended to two.

      We have a thing called a VPN that allows us to access our works system so we may be asked to do some tasks remotely from our home computers next week.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        They closed the community college I work at for another week

        I was on a week off because they shut down the College for Spring Break. That has been extended to two.

        We have a thing called a VPN that allows us to access our works system so we may be asked to do some tasks remotely from our home computers next week.
        "Uh, sorry, boss. My computer isn't working."

        <takes hammer to computer>
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          "Uh, sorry, boss. My computer isn't working."

          <takes hammer to computer>
          Yeah, shame about that innit.

          When my now ex wife retired a year or so ago I tried to setup the VPN on her computer (so she could do freelance) based on instructions on our website. I called tech support to tell them it did not work. They said..no it does not work.

          I have just received in my work email a guide to setting up the VPN. I wonder if that will.

          Utilities are the main things that want paying. (I pay bills in A/P) or the power, water and gas etc will be disconnected eventually.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Yeah, shame about that innit.

            When my now ex wife retired a year or so ago I tried to setup the VPN on her computer (so she could do freelance) based on instructions on our website. I called tech support to tell them it did not work. They said..no it does not work.

            I have just received in my work email a guide to setting up the VPN. I wonder if that will.

            Utilities are the main things that want paying. (I pay bills in A/P) or the power, water and gas etc will be disconnected eventually.
            There's no such thing as "bills" in the zombie apocalypse.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              There's no such thing as "bills" in the zombie apocalypse.
              Cronos, the King of the Titans has finally unleashed his anger on the world. We all knew it had to come
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              There's no such thing as "bills" in the zombie apocalypse.
              I'm not worried about Bills in the event of a zombie apocalypse, as long as there are no Claudes. Could do without Dans, Marks, Shanes, and Kurts as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      A film docu taken from China's most affected zone.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-as...ina-s-lockdown
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Walking into a store while coughing can draw LOTS of attention these days, and people will move out of your way fast. And a sneeze no longer results in merely a courteous "Bless you!" anymore. You can get the whole store to yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Saw this on a friend's FB page today:


      Closing down the media for 3 months should clear up 80% of the current issues across the board...just sayin'
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      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Saw this on a friend's FB page today:

        Meme creators will inherit the earth?
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Saw this on a friend's FB page today:
        Closing down FB permanently would clear up 100% of the current issues across the board... just sayin'
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        If you cant find the disinfectant/sanitizer supplies you are familiar with,
        here is a list of products that will Kill COVID19 from the

        American Chemistry Council

        Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)--Fighting Products

        https://www.americanchemistry.com/No...ducts-List.pdf



        "As a public service, CBC is maintaining this list of antimicrobials that have proven to be effective against stronger pathogens, such as norovirus or ebola. By publishing and maintaining this open list, CBC relieves federal, state, and local health officials' resources in order to focus on other aspects of the important effort to limit spread of this new disease. Listing is voluntary and compliance with EPA's "emerging viral pathogen" guidance for antimicrobial products is verified by CBC. CBC will be working with federal and state officials to disseminate the list and make it accessible to all those who need to be in the know."
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Ken - it may have been easier. Kids are exposed to onlin - to media on TV - they interact with many more people in a day than kids did back then. After seeing your post yesterday - I was wondering how your son is doing. Can't believe he is 10!

        I've lived through a natural disaster and saw how some people panic while others come together to do what needs to be done. I've seen how some focus on 'me me and what I need' and others offer to help those less fortunate. The extremes of human nature show up in times like this.


        I remember stores of the great depression and books about the Dust Bowl - and how shocked I was that peole had to live like that. Once in a while we are reminded that we aren't all powerful - and it's always a shock when it happens.


        It can teach self reliance for children with parents who will talk to them, explain that we aren't always in control but we adapt. When adults hear the fear mongering they have life experiences to balance hype with reality - when a child hears it they may believe the sky really is falling. I wonder how many parents are so glued to FB and twitter right now they don't realize how frightened their children may be.

        If I had young children now - I'd turn off the TV and internet and take them for a hike or pull out the board games.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Ken - it may have been easier. Kids are exposed to onlin - to media on TV - they interact with many more people in a day than kids did back then. After seeing your post yesterday - I was wondering how your son is doing. Can't believe he is 10!

          I've lived through a natural disaster and saw how some people panic while others come together to do what needs to be done. I've seen how some focus on 'me me and what I need' and others offer to help those less fortunate. The extremes of human nature show up in times like this.


          I remember stores of the great depression and books about the Dust Bowl - and how shocked I was that peole had to live like that. Once in a while we are reminded that we aren't all powerful - and it's always a shock when it happens.


          It can teach self reliance for children with parents who will talk to them, explain that we aren't always in control but we adapt. When adults hear the fear mongering they have life experiences to balance hype with reality - when a child hears it they may believe the sky really is falling. I wonder how many parents are so glued to FB and twitter right now they don't realize how frightened their children may be.

          If I had young children now - I'd turn off the TV and internet and take them for a hike or pull out the board games.
          He is doing awesome and we plan on going crabbing at one of my favorite areas, it's my favorite because nobody ever puts in the effort to get to it.

          so the crabs and fish are worth the extra effort and the seclusion will give me some kind of peace of mind. For a bit anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Try going back to the store very early Monday morning - my son in Atlanta was told by the the Kroger's manager that they are restocking over night only....the goal is to have product available for as many people as possible rather than a few who are trying to buy large quantities as shelves are stocked. Other chains may be doing the same so the supplies in their warehouses last longer.



        After empty shelves yesterday...my son went back to the same store at 6:30 this morning and found almost everything he wanted. Worth a shot.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        As pointed out above - this is a an issue that may affect everyone on this forum no matter who they are or where they live. There is info to debate, there are stories people share - there is humor in the reactions at times.


        BUT....

        This thread WILL NOT become yet another insider joke/nonsense/conspiracy thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          As pointed out above - this is a an issue that may affect everyone on this forum no matter who they are or where they live. There is info to debate, there are stories people share - there is humor in the reactions at times.


          BUT....

          This thread WILL NOT become yet another insider joke/nonsense/conspiracy thread.
          I see it has become worthy of mention, and along with that comes the rest. Anyhow, thanks Kay and all the Mods who keep the mops at the ready. Here are a few thoughts I have.

          1) Start keeping a journal. Many of us do routinely, but start one NOW just for this, begin it on Friday March, 13, 2020 the day it became a NATIONAL EMERGENCY. I suggest this so you have a clear idea of how this time unfolds for you, what effects it has, if any, and what you do differently this week from last week.

          IF it all blows over quickly, you at least have a little keepsake of the times.

          2) It has been my advice through dozens of National and Local Emergencies for decades to use this time to find out about what sort of a person you are? Will you hunker down with your and yours, or will you help those in need? A crisis always reveals things about us, doesn't it?

          3) Make money. It isn't that hard. But along with that, quit spending it. Be more selective in your buys, sometimes a Want can be passed over for a Need. Sometimes, as in a Milky Way candy bar, the purchase can be both.

          4) Plan, for several directions and outcomes. Doomsdayers want to scare you (to sell you stuff, so they can buy ammo for their bunkers) and the HOAXERS want you to ignore the facts of life. Time to decide for yourself.

          As this is a marketing forum, let me share some things which have worked in the past, and I've been through quite a few of these things.

          First about money. Money is only ONE form of exchange of value. In the coming days, BARTER and barter opportunities will become big again. They always do in the Ruff Times.

          Boredom. Millions of kids home from school, parents having to make arrangements. See a surge in online gaming, and all things VIDEO TYPE chatting, and hopefully, not too much of the X rated stuff from bored college kids. Games, especially, ones like role play are popular because a "game" could last all day or even a weekend.

          Small "guilty" pleasures. Snacks and beverages usually do well, as you will see an increase in alcohol consumption, and tobacco use. A resurgence of the home brewer, home wine maker, or even the home 'distiller' KITS will offer tools to the miners opportunities.

          Let's have a discussion on how we can get through this and come out better, or share ideas on marketing, or making money, because many of you IMer's are going to lose your shirt very quickly in the next few weeks, better get a back up plan ready.

          Thanks to all Mods for keeping on top of this, I guess it was worthy of mention, and now that it has our attention for awhile, lets make the best of it, shall we?

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          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Let's have a discussion on how we can get through this and come out better,
            Most people are missing the main long term consequence of the coronavirus.

            Namely: it will accelerate the decoupling between the West and China (or at least the US and China).

            From the China law blog:

            Originally Posted by Dan Harris

            Five years ago, for every 100 companies our China lawyers helped set up contract manufacturing in China, we helped maybe one end its contract manufacturing in China. Two years ago, that ratio was maybe 100 going to China and five leaving. Today, for every company our law firm helps set up manufacturing in China we help around the same number leave or at least try to leave. And because far fewer companies realize the need for legal counsel when ceasing to manufacture in China (as opposed to starting to manufacture in China), I have concluded that far more companies are ceasing to manufacture in China than are starting to manufacture in China.
            In Western countries, the reasons why are obvious to even casual observers so there's no need to point them out.

            What is less obvious is that it will also fan anti-PRC sentiment in the East:

            The PRC numbers are likely gross undercounts (why most accept them as is, I have no idea), but it is also likely the case for a good number of Asian countries.

            When the Belt and Road initiative becomes the belt and road pandemic,there will be enormous pressure for a lot of heads of state to explain why they kowtowed to Beijing as is the case currently in both South Korea and Japan. They too might want to look for ways to gradually divest.

            The questions then are:

            If Western companies are pulling out of the PRC, where do they go next? South East Asia cannot fully replace the PRC as a manufacturing hub, so what next?
            Can we make the US more like Germany or Japan in terms of manufacturing?
            If so, how?Or can we make Latin America or India more like the 1990s China? If so, for which industries? And if not, why not? Is it simply a question of culture? Business as usual? Complaency? Fear of Skynet or of Mexicans (to quote an American philosopher "there will be taco trucks on every corner")? The economic costs of decoupling are obvious, can we lessen the pain engendered by it?


            This to me will be the main legacy of coronavirus.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I still ignore most of the media headlines and go straight to the fact reporting sites, the medical sites, the scientific sites. CNN headline this morning was 'pandemic brings out the worst in humanity' - but where I live I'm seeing it bring out the best, too.



        In my area people are setting up help for those who need it - food for families doing without a paycheck, volunteers to help care for children out of school, even for the large number of Chinese university students who are 'stuck' here with the classes closed down. Every organization I belong to has sent me an email asking if I know of people who need help - they are doing community outreach in a very local way. These aren't scams - they are people I know and trust.


        i'm sure the same thing is happening in towns and cities all over the world... Eventually, I'm sure we'll see those stories, too.








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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        It's so deathly quiet in the large rental complex I live in. All car spaces are filled. You usually hear the sounds of children playing outside. You can hear a pin drop. Hardly a car noise all day.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          It's so deathly quiet in the large rental complex I live in. All car spaces are filled. You usually hear the sounds of children playing outside. You can hear a pin drop. Hardly a car noise all day.
          I WISH it was quiet here. I hear a huge group of kids playing outside...

          Normally I LOVE hearing that, it means my kid has something besides
          electronics to focus on. Today it's somewhat terrifying as my next
          door neighbors are 84 & 85 ... two couples whom I don't know across the street are for sure in there 70's and one of em sports oxygen.

          My mom who is 75 and has had a few issues over the last few years
          ...such as a heart attack wants to come here .... now.

          I begged...begged...begged her to stay at home. Knowing her she will
          get in the car without telling me, she has done it before.

          She insists she's healthy - therefore - has nothing to worry about.

          My mom is very intelligent, but for some reason has blinders on.

          Crazy.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Just finished watching this:


        Even knowing it is a Chinese propaganda type piece... Its very telling... and I think as a Nation ( USA ) we are failing miserably and this is coming from the guy that lives in the ONLY state with ZERO known cases. Ohio being the most proactive State in the union is uh interesting to say the least - should be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

        For us in the States I suggest based on models I have looked at, by Wednesday going into Thursday stuff should really hit the fan.

        Nationwide there are only 96,000 ICU beds in total, as a frame of reference Italy has 14,000 ( +/- ) and in relation to population USA 320 Million and Italy 60 Million - Do the math real fast and you see our medical system will more than likely crumble - and in no way will we "build" a 1000 bed hospital in 11 days.

        The variables at play here are the Economy, and feeding kids that rely on school for a meal - a price will be paid, and the political environment will look a whole lot different in elections to come.

        The other issue that is coming to light is the dependency on a world market - that will fail, and as China is now indicating, be used as a tool. Interesting times to say the least.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I've always been a solution orientated person. Here's what I believe we should be doing concerning corona virus based on these facts:

      Facts:
      1. Wearing a mask doesn't protect you from getting corona, except from by rubbing your nose and mouth. But it does help prevent you from spreading it to others, which is why the sick/contagious people at the Dr office wear masks, not the healthy people.
      2. Hydrogen peroxide has been proven to be very effective at killing corona.

      I believe if everyone that went out in public wore a mask and carried a squirt bottle of hydrogene peroxide (h2o2) and squirting things that we touch and where we gather, there would be a lot less spread of the virus.

      If people would squirt door knobs, hand rails, shoppping cart handles, mail areas at apartments, we we would kill a lot of the virus. And there would be a lot less to kil because people wear masks.

      Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, basically water with an extra oxegen molecule. When it breaks down it breaks down into water and oxegen, so it's totally safe for our enviroment.

      These are cheap, safe and proven effective methods. If I were King of the World I would ramp up the production of masks and h2o2 and require anyone that goes out in public to both wear a mask and carry a squirt bottle of h2o. We need to protect and arm ourselves and fit this.

      If you use h2o2, the only "catch" is that it must be kept out of light in a dark bottle because light breaks it down.
      RETAIL cost per American

      $2 one time for a bottle of h2o2.
      60 cents for a mask each time a person goes out in public.

      Again, that's retail to arm us to fight a war we can win. The science says so and the financing says so.
      I have also read that Bicarbonate of soda, (soda water, etc) distroys the virus, so l may start drinking more carbonated water instead of plain, when l go out.

      Iodine does also, but that can be poisonous if too much is taken internally.

      I guess that soda water will disappear next?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I have also read that Bicarbonate of soda, (soda water, etc) distroys the virus, so l may start drinking more carbonated water instead of plain, when l go out.

        Iodine does also, but that can be poisonous if too much is taken internally.
        Shane. Viruses are inside our cells. It doesn't matter what you drink. it won't kill viruses.

        Please...I'm begging you...stop getting your news from Youtube videos. There is real information from the CDC and the WHO, that will tell you if something kills the virus.

        Do you really think there would be this pandemic if all you had to do was drink soda water to cure it?

        And..for god sake..don't drink bleach.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Shane. Viruses are inside our cells. It doesn't matter what you drink. it won't kill viruses.

          Please...I'm begging you...stop getting your news from Youtube videos. There is real information from the CDC and the WHO, that will tell you if something kills the virus.

          Do you really think there would be this pandemic if all you had to do was drink soda water to cure it?

          And..for god sake..don't drink bleach.
          I didn't get it from TY, and this virus came from a poor area of China, where humans are in close contact with livestock, so if a virus came into being it would spread rapidly, due to poor health care.

          In the western world, Phar, companys want to make money and doctors want to have a career, so anything that is cheap and easy will not be used or discussed.

          And l still want to know where you heard about the bleach idea.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            I didn't get it from TY, and this virus came from a poor area of China, where humans are in close contact with livestock, so if a virus came into being it would spread rapidly, due to poor health care.

            In the western world, Phar, companys want to make money and doctors want to have a career, so anything that is cheap and easy will not be used or discussed.

            And l still want to know where you heard about the bleach idea.

            Shane, this isn't the time.

            There are 3 common household disinfectants that kill coronavirus. Hydrogen peroxide, chlorine bleach and isopropyl alcohol.

            Of these three, only hydrogen peroxide can be used in the ears and nose safely.

            I already use a neti pot once in a while. After a little research I've found that a mixture of 3 parts water and one part hydrogen peroxide is a good treatment for nasal infections.

            A neti pot flushes the nasal cavity OUT of the body, and the flushing seems to me to be similar to washing your hands under a faucet, commonly recommended for coronavirus by credible sources.

            We seem to know that corona stays in our nasal passage ways for about a week before moving to the lungs where it becomes the problem.

            This doesn't mean that a neti pot and hydrogen peroxide will help with coronavirus in any way. And it's even possible it may hurt for some reason I'm not aware.

            But based on the evidence I know at this time that hydrogen peroxide is effective killing corona virus and is safe to use, I'm going to use a neti pot/hyrdogen peroxide flush a couple of times a week until it starts hurting or someone credible tells me it's a waste of time, and tells me why.

            IMO, the first step is to avoid conronavirus for reaching your nasals. The second step is to kill it in your nasals before it reaches your lungs. Even killing just some of the bugs before they reach the lungs may lessen the impact of the virus.

            To whom it may concern: A neti/hyrogen peroxide flush isn't in place of the credible advice. It's in ADDITION TO the credible advice.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post


              To whom it may concern: A neti/hyrogen peroxide flush isn't in place of the credible advice. It's in ADDITION TO the credible advice.
              You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide. You would think that everyone would know that...but..nope.

              My wife is 73 years old now. I told her that she should stay home from the store, and let me take care of it.

              In Ohio there are 26 confirmed cases now. That means that there are lots lots more people that have it, but aren't yet symptomatic. And it means that it's no longer safe to assume that nobody I come in contact with, doesn't have it.

              Cheryl and I are not going to the movies, eat at restaurants, attend events (except voting) until this starts going away.

              I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

              I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

              There are heroes, and they will be seen. But so will the villains. And I think most of us are decent people.
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide. You would think that everyone would know that...but..nope.

                My wife is 73 years old now. I told her that she should stay home from the store, and let me take care of it.

                In Ohio there are 26 confirmed cases now. That means that there are lots lots more people that have it, but aren't yet symptomatic. And it means that it's no longer safe to assume that nobody I come in contact with, doesn't have it.

                Cheryl and I are not going to the movies, eat at restaurants, attend events (except voting) until this starts going away.

                I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

                I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

                I hope it doesn't come to that.
                Are you going to close your store?
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Are you going to close your store?
                  No, unless mandated by the government.
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                  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    No, unless mandated by the government.
                    No offense, but why the hell not?

                    Isn't your demographic mostly senior?

                    So whats the point, you don't need money money and are smart(ish).

                    What gives?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                      No offense, but why the hell not?

                      isnt your demographic mostly senior?

                      So whats the point, you don't need money money and smart(ish)

                      so what gives?
                      My demographic is mostly middle aged and senior.

                      My only change will be to not take in dirty vacuum cleaners for repairs, unless they bought from us. We still have customers that count on us. It's for their benefit, not ours.

                      If I start getting sick, or if we just get very little traffic, I'll close the store for a couple of weeks, maybe.

                      The truth is, I do most of my writing and research here. I'd come in, even if the store itself were closed. And I'm in a rush to get my selling course and webinar completed in the next month.

                      We have noticed a marked downturn in traffic the last week or so. But again, I'm here for other reasons too.

                      Added later; I'm more worried about young people, carrying the virus, spreading it unintentionally. And frankly, young people don't come in here. This is an aging business model. In 10 years, our business will be either endangered or extinct.

                      Added for everyone else...
                      Washing your hands doesn't kill the virus. I've seen a few doctors say that, and it's even on the Consumer Reports site. Washing your hands removes the virus from your hands. Just like it removes everything else on the surface of your hands. But soap doesn't kill anything.
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                      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        My demographic is mostly middle aged and senior.

                        My only change will be to not take in dirty vacuum cleaners for repairs, unless they bought from us. We still have customers that count on us. It's for their benefit, not ours.

                        If I start getting sick, or if we just get very little traffic, I'll close the store for a couple of weeks, maybe.

                        The truth is, I do most of my writing and research here. I'd come in, even if the store itself were closed. And I'm in a rush to get my selling course and webinar completed in the next month.

                        We have noticed a marked downturn in traffic the last week or so. But again, I'm here for other reasons too.
                        Wooster and Cuyahoga Falls are home to GOJO Industries mfg. plants, they make the hand sanitizer stuff. Now adding people due to demand.

                        I would think those higher priced vacuums, with some sort of air particle catcher (HEPA??) might start selling more, or not? Got any Alpines in the back room, good time to get some air purifiers in the home.

                        Irony of this, many businesses lose, and some, like GOJO, get to an even higher level.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                          Wooster and Cuyahoga Falls are home to GOJO Industries mfg. plants, they make the hand sanitizer stuff. Now adding people due to demand.

                          I would think those higher priced vacuums, with some sort of air particle catcher (HEPA??) might start selling more, or not? Got any Alpines in the back room, good time to get some air purifiers in the home.


                          Irony of this, many businesses lose, and some, like GOJO, get to an even higher level.

                          GordJo
                          I've given this some serious thought.

                          I'll be selling quite a lot more HEPA filters and Air Purifiers. I'll even be advertising the air purifiers, because I'm a salesman, and that's what we do.

                          But I know, from vast experience, that people will buy believing something that isn't true. And I feel responsible for explaining what an air purifier will do, and what it won't do.

                          A friend of mine, who used to be the top distributor for an air purifier company, is now advertising his air purifiers on Facebook, making untrue claims about how these purifiers affect the Coronavirus.

                          My air purifiers create Ozone, Ions, and have a UV light inside them...along with a HEPA filter. I sell them for $495 in the store.

                          But Here's what they will and will not do.

                          Ozone kills germs, bacteria, and mold...but is extremely slow acting in killing viruses in the air. So it's an ineffective solution.

                          Ions produced by the air purifier won't do anything except keep the virus from floating in the air. Ions create a static charge between particles in the air, causing them to fall out of the air, an sticking to a surface. Making a virus less likely to be inhaled. I use one in my store, originally to get rid of the smell of other people's vacuum cleaner bags we throw in the trash, but it also gets rid of air born particles.

                          UV light will kill the virus, but only if the virus finds it's way into the purifier. It's not effective at all on a virus that's on a surface, or is air born.

                          A HEPA filter will cut down dramatically on air born particles. But not viruses, germs, or bacteria. HEPA filters have no effect of the virus distribution.

                          I'm not selling air purifiers here, but explaining how it's easy to misrepresent this as a solution. I think I'm going to include a disclaimer (maybe using the exact words I used here) with every air purifier sold.

                          Some things are more important than money.
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                      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        The truth is, I do most of my writing and research here. I'd come in, even if the store itself were closed. And I'm in a rush to get my selling course and webinar completed in the next month.

                        We have noticed a marked downturn in traffic the last week or so. But again, I'm here for other reasons too.

                        Added later; I'm more worried about young people, carrying the virus, spreading it unintentionally. And frankly, young people don't come in here. This is an aging business model. In 10 years, our business will be either endangered or extinct.

                        Added for everyone else...
                        Washing your hands doesn't kill the virus. I've seen a few doctors say that, and it's even on the Consumer Reports site. Washing your hands removes the virus from your hands. Just like it removes everything else on the surface of your hands. But soap doesn't kill anything.
                        1) I knew you had to have a real reason. Some of my best work was done after everyone else went home. Side-note, when I rolled the entire company over to 24/7 I had to rent a stupid private just for me office across town. I hated that choice.

                        2) Me too

                        3) Is that a fact? I was under the impression the friction from agitation ruptured the cell walls. I do know that the soap doesn't do anything to the virus.


                        From what I understand... I don't know if this is true ... if you wash your hand with ONLY water rigorously scrubbing for 20 seconds you will kill and flush MOST...
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                          1)

                          3) Is that a fact? I was under the impression the friction from agitation ruptured the cell walls. I do know that the soap doesn't do anything to the virus.
                          The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.
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                          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.
                            Some of the best discussion on this is

                            here

                            at the OFF TOPIC chat room at

                            the Warrior Forum?????

                            Now to find a fav movie, dog, car or youtube channel, and I don't even have to leave here.

                            As for isolation and clean air, maybe I can do one more patrol on a nuclear powered submarine for the next 2-3 months...

                            I just made a box out of hepa filters, soaked in hydrogen perioxide, to wear on my head and stuck a vicks inhaler up each nostril...and locked my doors and turned on the Rife Generator while wearing a Fisher Wallace Stimulator...

                            And thinking, maybe

                            maybe

                            Corona Virus might be one of my lesser problems???

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                          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.
                            I think the only way it's ever not "most" is if you do the doctor scrub with
                            a disinfectant.
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              • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide. You would think that everyone would know that...but..nope.

                My wife is 73 years old now. I told her that she should stay home from the store, and let me take care of it.

                In Ohio there are 26 confirmed cases now. That means that there are lots lots more people that have it, but aren't yet symptomatic. And it means that it's no longer safe to assume that nobody I come in contact with, doesn't have it.

                Cheryl and I are not going to the movies, eat at restaurants, attend events (except voting) until this starts going away.

                I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

                I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

                There are heroes, and they will be seen. But so will the villains. And I think most of us are decent people.
                If more think like this ... we will weather it a lot faster.

                I fear for just about every elder and I think people are foolish
                for calling this an old people problem...if it mutates, this
                moment might soon be considered "the good old days" for a lot of people.

                I think everyone should assume it is already everywhere and it's too late.
                So hunker down, unless you're not supplied, then get supplied and hunker down.

                just my opinion
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide.

                I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

                I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

                There are heroes, and they will be seen. But so will the villains. And I think most of us are decent people.
                well sometime over reaction and over preparation is warranted .. do we all come together and change our behavior for a few month or a bit longer and shift to producing the things we need to fight this while we still have a small number of cases . and so far in the last week people have shiften in greater numbers and faster than anyone would have thought possible 3 months ago ..

                the other options was not shifting fast .and doctors and nurse having to chose who to save and who to let die because the resources where over run .thats faar more horrible than having no final four .. and the many other things we have to collectivly go without for a few months ..
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            I didn't get it from TY, and this virus came from a poor area of China, where humans are in close contact with livestock, so if a virus came into being it would spread rapidly, due to poor health care.

            In the western world, Phar, companys want to make money and doctors want to have a career, so anything that is cheap and easy will not be used or discussed.

            And l still want to know where you heard about the bleach idea.

            Really are you that out of touch this spreads rapidly because is is transmitted many different ways has a long period of time it can survive on surfaces . And a person carrying the virus can transmit it a week before showing symtoms.

            Pearls before swine ..no point in going on with a reasonable explanation.

            You should just sign on with the government of China and blame the US for this
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              Really are you that out of touch this spreads rapidly because is is transmitted many different ways has a long period of time it can survive on surfaces . And a person carrying the virus can transmit it a week before showing symtoms.

              Pearls before swine ..no point in going on with a reasonable explanation.

              You should just sign on with the government of China and blame the US for this

              Well it developed in China, that is a fact, and sure some on news channels, are saying stay in your house and buy two weeks of food, (which wasn't the best advice, since shelves are now disappearing with cannot foods) so the elderly and disavantaged are getting hammered some more.

              Some want us to live in caves and lock up AU, and others are saying that the "carry on" advise is wrong.

              Carry on, sounds eerily similar to "she'll be right mate" which has got us into trouble in the past so...

              I went to a restaurant today, the place that l should avoid, but since l am in financial limbo, need to take a break, and it was almost empty or safe, going by this site.

              https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...-faqs.aspx#1-4

              • Clean your hands with soap and water for 20 seconds, or an alcohol-based hand rub.
              • Cover your nose and mouth when coughing and sneezing with tissue or a flexed elbow
              • Avoid close contact with anyone with cold or flu-like symptoms.
              • Practice cough etiquette (keep away from other people, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and clean your hands.
              • Travellers to Asia should not visit live bird and animal markets, including 'wet' markets.

              No one there was sick or coughing, and where l was sitting was relatively safe, (going by distance specified above and duration).

              Sure l take precautions, l picked up a dirty N Switch controller then put it down and headed for the nearest toilet to wash, and other things, and l have also seen very few that are sick, and haven't noticed the few that were causing a mass exodus.

              I am taking precautions, keeping as heathly as is possible so l don't get a cold, and not living in fear.

              Or staying calm, taking precautions and carrying on!
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I have also read that Bicarbonate of soda, (soda water, etc) distroys the virus, so l may start drinking more carbonated water instead of plain, when l go out.

        Iodine does also, but that can be poisonous if too much is taken internally.

        I guess that soda water will disappear next?
        Back in the 60's in the UK we used to have food vans coming round selling on the streets. Also, surprisingly open top vans selling exclusively, soda's. We would buy large glass bottles of Cream Soda, Lemonade, Ginger Beer, Orangeade etc..you name it. Money back on the bottles.

        And what was the brand name.. Corona.

        So do I think you are onto something here....Nope.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Further developments:

    Travel ban to the US from Europe (excluding the UK, which I suppose isn't legally part of Europe anymore);
    NBA suspends all fixtures indefinitely;
    Tom Hanks (who is currently in Australia making a movie) and his wife have both tested positive for COVID-19.

    On a personal note, I did my weekly shop this morning and as chance would have it, one of the items on my list, as a necessity was (TAH-DAH!) toilet paper. I got to the shops just as they opened and went straight into the supermarket and straight to the TP aisle. They hadn't even bothered putting it on the shelves, they just had a pallet of packs of rolls in the aisle. I grabbed a pack of 24 rolls (limit of one per customer) and went straight to the checkout with it. I then went to the car and put it in there. Then, back to the supermarket and do my regular shop. By the time I got back to the TP aisle the entire pallet's worth had gone and even the pallet had been removed. All in the space of less than 15 minutes.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Further developments:

      Travel ban to the US from Europe (excluding the UK, which I suppose isn't legally part of Europe anymore);
      NBA suspends all fixtures indefinitely;
      Tom Hanks (who is currently in Australia making a movie) and his wife have both tested positive for COVID-19.

      On a personal note, I did my weekly shop this morning and as chance would have it, one of the items on my list, as a necessity was (TAH-DAH!) toilet paper. I got to the shops just as they opened and went straight into the supermarket and straight to the TP aisle. They hadn't even bothered putting it on the shelves, they just had a pallet of packs of rolls in the aisle. I grabbed a pack of 24 rolls (limit of one per customer) and went straight to the checkout with it. I then went to the car and put it in there. Then, back to the supermarket and do my regular shop. By the time I got back to the TP aisle the entire pallet's worth had gone and even the pallet had been removed. All in the space of less than 15 minutes.
      You were lucky, l tried Woolies, Coles, several Chemists and Priceline at one shopping ctr, sold out, yesterday. With Amazon, AU being out til next month.

      But a pack of 20 is easy to buy at Coles or Woolies, (Safeway) online, and with having to put in credit card and other details a lot harder for scum to clean out.

      Ebay, AU, isn't tolerating this BS either or if they see toilet paper sold for $1000 or more they pull the ad, as quickly as it goes up, (they seem to leave one's sold for less $100).

      Not sure if there are any Jeffery stores in WA, but that was the last place l found some rolls with two weeks ago.

      So no need to panic!


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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        You were lucky, l tried Woolies, Coles, several Chemists and Priceline at one shopping ctr, sold out, yesterday. With Amazon, AU being out til next month.

        But a pack of 20 is easy to buy at Coles or Woolies, (Safeway) online, and with having to put in credit card and other details a lot harder for scum to clean out.

        Ebay, AU, isn't tolerating this BS either or if they see toilet paper sold for $1000 or more they pull the ad, as quickly as it goes up, (they seem to leave one's sold for less $100).

        Not sure if there are any Jeffery stores in WA, but that was the last place l found some rolls with two weeks ago.

        So no need to panic!


        No we don't have Jeffery in WA, that I'm aware of anyway. I did my shopping at the local Coles. According to the staff there it's the same thing every day. They put a pallet of dunny rolls out and within 15 minutes they're all gone.

        I also stacked up on some foods that will last indefinitely such as tinned baked beans, spaghetti, tuna, soups etc. If I don't need to go into quarantine, either enforced or self-imposed, it'll still be in the cupboard next year.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          No we don't have Jeffery in WA, that I'm aware of anyway. I did my shopping at the local Coles. According to the staff there it's the same thing every day. They put a pallet of dunny rolls out and within 15 minutes they're all gone.

          I also stacked up on some foods that will last indefinitely such as tinned baked beans, spaghetti, tuna, soups etc. If I don't need to go into quarantine, either enforced or self-imposed, it'll still be in the cupboard next year.
          Just went through Coles online, and will probably need to take the rest of the day off.

          $50 minimal spend, no more in store pickups available due to high demand, so had to get it home delivered.

          Around $10 for the delivery, which isn't too bad, and yes, I bought a pack of 20 Rolls!

          And stocked up on flour and pasta, (another two disappearing shelves items).

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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Further developments:

      Travel ban to the US from Europe (excluding the UK, which I suppose isn't legally part of Europe anymore);
      .
      Unless the island of Great Britain and Northern Ireland are towed a few 100 miles north towards Iceland, we are geographically part of the continent of Europe.

      We are no longer members of the EU, which now comprises of 26 European countries. Not all European countries are part of the EU.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Spain's top soccer league has suspended its season for two weeks to work out what to do next.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
    Here in Norway we just got news that every school , kindergarten, organized sports, etc will be closed. Here's an article about the measures taken:

    https://translate.googleusercontent....AT26-VINz9iJyw
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    And there are rumours from "senior F1 sources" that the Australian F1 Grand Prix is going to be cancelled.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/51849163
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    tbh my heart goes out to all the gimps been voluntarily self-isolated for so long they forgot what trees look like.


    Meantime, gotta hope evrywan here is dowin' OK.
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    The recent Cliff High video about this virus is frightful.

    Just thinking.

    One cup.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    FMD. What a day.

    First off the Australian Grand Prix was indeed cancelled just as there was a huge crowd gathering to get into the event.

    Next all public events that attract more than 500 people have been banned.

    Then a senior member of the Australian government, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton, has been tested positive for COVID-19. This is after meeting with Americans such as Ivanka Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

    https://twitter.com/AusintheUS/statu...097026/photo/1
    (That's Dutton on Ivanka's left, and Barr to her right)

    Most sporting events including the AFL and NRL will be held behind closed doors for the forseeable future.

    On top of all that (and more), the ASX experienced its wildest day in living memory. It opened down a tad under 7%, then fizzled out even further to a >8% loss, and then in the last hour and a half of trading bounced back and closed the day up 4.1%!!! In over 25 years of following the ASX as measured by the All Ordinaries Index (the 500 biggest companies on the ASX), I have never seen such a wild swing as today.

    Next up, Friday in Europe and North America is just beginning.

    Black Friday indeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      FMD. What a day.

      First off the Australian Grand Prix was indeed cancelled just as there was a huge crowd gathering to get into the event.

      Next all public events that attract more than 500 people have been banned.

      Then a senior member of the Australian government, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton, has been tested positive for COVID-19. This is after meeting with Americans such as Ivanka Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

      https://twitter.com/AusintheUS/statu...097026/photo/1
      (That's Dutton on Ivanka's left, and Barr to her right)

      Most sporting events including the AFL and NRL will be held behind closed doors for the forseeable future.

      On top of all that (and more), the ASX experienced its wildest day in living memory. It opened down a tad under 7%, then fizzled out even further to a >8% loss, and then in the last hour and a half of trading bounced back and closed the day up 4.1%!!! In over 25 years of following the ASX as measured by the All Ordinaries Index (the 500 biggest companies on the ASX), I have never seen such a wild swing as today.

      Next up, Friday in Europe and North America is just beginning.

      Black Friday indeed.
      I have friends who maybe in trouble. One of them told me he already lost 35% of his wealth.

      My grandpa lost everything during the crash that caused the great depression.

      Scary stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        I have friends who maybe in trouble. One of them told me he already lost 35% of his wealth
        If it's any consolation, the losses they've incurred are "paper" losses so far. If they panic sell, then they become REAL losses. Markets will bounce back over the course of time. Of course whether its a consolation or not depends on how old your friends are. If they're close to retirement, or are already retired, there's not much can be done about it. If they still have 10 or more years till they're due to retire, then the best thing is to just sit it out and await the inevitable bounce back. If they have any spare cash then waiting until things begin to right themselves and buying more at bargain prices is a good move.

        Another factor to consider is how long they've been invested for. If they started at the end of last year, then they're pretty screwed. If they've been invested since, say 2009 when the worst of the Global Financial Meltdown was over, they should still be a long way ahead of where they started. If they've been invested for even longer, then they're in an even better position.

        All that being said though, I get the feeling that things are going to get worse before they begin to get better.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          If it's any consolation, the losses they've incurred are "paper" losses so far. If they panic sell, then they become REAL losses. Markets will bounce back over the course of time. Of course whether its a consolation or not depends on how old your friends are. If they're close to retirement, or are already retired, there's not much can be done about it. If they still have 10 or more years till they're due to retire, then the best thing is to just sit it out and await the inevitable bounce back. If they have any spare cash then waiting until things begin to right themselves and buying more at bargain prices is a good move.

          Another factor to consider is how long they've been invested for. If they started at the end of last year, then they're pretty screwed. If they've been invested since, say 2009 when the worst of the Global Financial Meltdown was over, they should still be a long way ahead of where they started. If they've been invested for even longer, then they're in an even better position.

          All that being said though, I get the feeling that things are going to get worse before they begin to get better.
          Today I found out that we have lost every gain we have ever had in the stock market. In other words, we now have slightly less than we have invested over the years. (The last few years we really stepped it up).

          Am I worried? No. In fact, I think now is the time to add what we can. But I do wonder how much this will affect our retail sales.


          We are now the last developed country to start mass testing for this virus.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Today I found out that we have lost every gain we have ever had in the stock market. In other words, we now have slightly less than we have invested over the years. (The last few years we really stepped it up).

            Am I worried? No. In fact, I think now is the time to add what we can. But I do wonder how much this will affect our retail sales.


            We are now the last developed country to start mass testing for this virus.

            Hey google, "average age of congressman"


            The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 115th Congress was 57.8 years; of Senators, 61.8 years, among the oldest in U.S. history.

            ---

            And most of em are over weight, smoke, drink and are in overall poor health.

            I would think the candidates for the prime target award would put a little hustle into the operation that might save them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Q. How do you ensure people will attend your conference?
    A. Announce there will be free toilet paper at the end of the conference.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackanderson96
    Things are getting mad here in the UK - People stocking up on products like mad and there's lots of scalpers selling sanitiser etc at absurd prices.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I've always been a solution orientated person. Here's what I believe we should be doing concerning corona virus based on these facts:

    Facts:
    1. Wearing a mask doesn't protect you from getting corona, except from by rubbing your nose and mouth. But it does help prevent you from spreading it to others, which is why the sick/contagious people at the Dr office wear masks, not the healthy people.
    2. Hydrogen peroxide has been proven to be very effective at killing corona.

    I believe if everyone that went out in public wore a mask and carried a squirt bottle of hydrogene peroxide (h2o2) and squirting things that we touch and where we gather, there would be a lot less spread of the virus.

    If people would squirt door knobs, hand rails, shoppping cart handles, mail areas at apartments, we we would kill a lot of the virus. And there would be a lot less to kil because people wear masks.

    Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, basically water with an extra oxegen molecule. When it breaks down it breaks down into water and oxegen, so it's totally safe for our enviroment.

    These are cheap, safe and proven effective methods. If I were King of the World I would ramp up the production of masks and h2o2 and require anyone that goes out in public to both wear a mask and carry a squirt bottle of h2o. We need to protect and arm ourselves and fit this.

    If you use h2o2, the only "catch" is that it must be kept out of light in a dark bottle because light breaks it down.
    RETAIL cost per American

    $2 one time for a bottle of h2o2.
    60 cents for a mask each time a person goes out in public.

    Again, that's retail to arm us to fight a war we can win. The science says so and the financing says so.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    I'm actually flabbergasted at how, in January this was a news story about events in China.

    By February it was one of the biggest news stories in the world.

    Now it seems to be pretty much the only story - everywhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      I'm actually flabbergasted at how, in January this was a news story about events in China.

      By February it was one of the biggest news stories in the world.

      Now it seems to be pretty much the only story - everywhere.
      Yeah, the sooner we can get past this drop in the bucket we can return to the real threat to human existence..Global Warming
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Yeah, the sooner we can get past this drop in the bucket we can return to the real threat to human existence..Global Warming
        Agreed we need as many mass rally's as possible!

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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    My ten year hit me with the news that he is scared. I asked him of what and
    he surprised me with " the virus, I'm afraid for my life and yours". So I did
    what dad's do.

    But damn. This isn't a third world country, I can't believe
    that I had to have that conversation with my boy.

    I can only imagine how much scarier it was 100 years ago.

    ooof...can you imagine being a parent back then?
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    I just moved up with my brother he had foot surgery .a month ago and needs some help with his dog.and shopping .

    So he is watching news 12 hours a day and panicing.

    We just got back from the big store and a lot of thing where cleaned out ..

    Apperently a big part of the rush is people having to buy supplies for around the house as they have to stay home.

    We are looking at a worldwide change at the way we live say to day and interact with each other . Some of the changes may be permanent.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Some supermarkets and walmarts are open 24 hours. There is a walmart near me and it is open 24 hours. They do not advertise this and at night the parking lot is dark but they are open and stocking the shelves. No customers except a few idiots like me. There is also a Supermarket chain in my area and most of them are open 24 hours as well. with only a small sign letting people know and usually empty in the wee hours

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    This is a very useful read with charts to illustrate the points made:

    When you're done reading the article, this is what you'll take away:
    The coronavirus is coming to you.
    It's coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
    It's a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
    When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
    Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
    Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
    They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
    The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
    That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
    As a politician, community leader or business leader, you have the power and the responsibility to prevent this.
    You might have fears today: What if I overreact? Will people laugh at me? Will they be angry at me? Will I look stupid? Won't it be better to wait for others to take steps first? Will I hurt the economy too much?
    But in 2-4 weeks, when the entire world is in lockdown, when the few precious days of social distancing you will have enabled will have saved lives, people won't criticize you anymore: They will thank you for making the right decision.
    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca
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  • Profile picture of the author daugherty1
    People are hoarding food, water, toilet paper and tightening spending.
    My clothing store has been closed for a week and there are not many orders online.
    This year is a dark year
    apkafe !
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    shane .. let me fill in the reason you didn't see anyone sick and probably will not see sick people in public for the next few months ..or maby the next year .

    but telling you this is me making the misguided assumption that you are intellectually capabale of understanding why social isolation .. is the critical tool in slowing and controlling the spread of this illness .

    or do you want your country to turn into itally where the medical system is so overwhelmed that a number of elderly people sick with this thing are just being allowed to die because the resourses are not their to treat this ..not ehouph ventilators and other equipment needed to treat those sick with this .

    once a really good treatment regimen is figured out for those exposed but not symptomatic .. and treatment for those who are ill with it .. once enough people actually contract it and survive and have the immunity to it .. so the course of action is to slow it down .. as much as possible .. and do what is needed to be done ..

    so yes people where told to get 2 weeks of food.. do you know how many people have only a few days of food on hand most of the time ..ho many eat breafest lunch and dinner awy from home most of the week .. who are now at home and need to eat at home ..
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      shane .. let me fill in the reason you didn't see anyone sick and probably will not see sick people in public for the next few months ..or maby the next year .

      but telling you this is me making the misguided assumption that you are intellectually capabale of understanding why social isolation .. is the critical tool in slowing and controlling the spread of this illness .

      or do you want your country to turn into itally where the medical system is so overwhelmed that a number of elderly people sick with this thing are just being allowed to die because the resourses are not their to treat this ..not ehouph ventilators and other equipment needed to treat those sick with this .

      once a really good treatment regimen is figured out for those exposed but not symptomatic .. and treatment for those who are ill with it .. once enough people actually contract it and survive and have the immunity to it .. so the course of action is to slow it down .. as much as possible .. and do what is needed to be done ..

      so yes people where told to get 2 weeks of food.. do you know how many people have only a few days of food on hand most of the time ..ho many eat breafest lunch and dinner awy from home most of the week .. who are now at home and need to eat at home ..
      Thank you for those kind and all inspiring words or encouragement, and l will do my best to keep up, with indeterminate morphology.

      And the 30 year war.

      Sure isolation is necessary, eventhough saying buy two weeks of food cleared all shelves, but Safeways will close for a few days and reopen at 7am til 8, for the elderly only.

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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    tbh as a lameass wastes too much time on the internet, I would wanna praise out the kinda positive transmission potential we got whenevah we think 'bout stuff trooly ... an' transmit it positively steada reel by accident cozza amygdalalaland stuffs.

    So when we all self-isolatin' out togethah, you always welcome to stop by here for virtyool entertainment don't mean no distance-unfriendly contact like VIRUS as you SHOP or GROPE as you SHOP FOR FROZEN ZUCCHINI ... bcs WF always guaranteed to keep you informed, propulsively marketable -- an' curfewed out on your laptop 24/7 in ways don't mean a boom in kittens mebbe 2022 unleashes the next round of cross-species whatevah.

    Hopin' evrywan stayin' safe -- even the people wanna punch one another when the sun shinin' & trained dogs be released to pee on dream hairdos.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Prolly we all vacuumin' up on soul rn.

    Desire to smoochie on up ain't gowin' noplace -- 'spite how we mebbe wanna.

    Here's a monstah IRL smite to genrl inventiveness principles ...

    People meetin' up & swankyin' on out, dishin' hooman deets bcs whatevah, steppin' emselves forward & mebbe thinkin' on fyooture people's stuffs while they contrastin' convenience of immediate plastic crapola with hey yanno mebbe I don't get to got no grandkids aftah all, plus also it don't gotta do with nuthin' entiro dependent 'pon Moi bein' a ditz.

    We seein' between-peeps stuffs bein' tested alongside fingertips in the void, an' it is a diminished kinda way in which to grow when the petri dish of possibility could mebbe point evrywan sumplace smartah.

    Plus also, that's snoggin' ovah till whenevah for Moi, so I gotta decide what to do with alla my repressed tongue lashin'.

    Parta me says ...

    beat back alien laser attacks like Babe Ruth swingin' his bat, swallowin' occasionally to remind evrywan I am MORTAL while smackin' the bugs.

    Resta me says ...

    flop out in the PRISON THAT WAS ONCE MY HOME & drop all my embarrassin' self talk ovah at Mind Warriors.

    Or mebbe I jus' work with the pain an' lick out a whole buncha Ben & Jerry's till I numb.

    Bel Canto trainin' with like chocklit fish!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Well, Governor DeWine just closed restaurants and bars. They can only operate to serve delivery or carryout. Our schools are already closed and he says preschools are next.

    I applaud his efforts to shut this shit down in the Buckeye State.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    A handy guide to symptoms of COVID-19 from the WHO.

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    One thing I'm finding very curious about the turmoil on financial markets is the gold price. In 2008 during the meltdown, gold went through the roof as investors sought a safe haven.

    This time around I'd expected a similar pattern to emerge. The price of gold is getting hammered along with everything else though and I'm buggered if I can think of a reason for it.

    Anyone have any ideas as to why this is?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      One thing I'm finding very curious about the turmoil on financial markets is the gold price. In 2008 during the meltdown, gold went through the roof as investors sought a safe haven.

      This time around I'd expected a similar pattern to emerge. The price of gold is getting hammered along with everything else though and I'm buggered if I can think of a reason for it.

      Anyone have any ideas as to why this is?
      Agreed with the bonds market, also getting hammered it is surprizing to see gold getting clobbered also.

      Might have something to do with the likes of Robert K, (Rich Dad Poor Dad author) and others, who for a long time, said that the mother or all crashes was around the corner and gold, silver and the like were havens or what you should be putting everything into.

      Since Gold would go sky high and everything else would plunge.

      Then apart from it not happening, the gold price on occasion has also plunged and was not as good as the doomsters prophesied.


      We can discuss now if C-19 is going to create that scenario, but l think that we both know that the ASX 200 and the US equivalent isn't going to self implode, but bounce back.



      It may cause a worldwide recession, although AU, will probably avoid the worst of it, with the cash we can throw at it.

      But the ASX200 plunding down forever, lol, BHP, or the banks are not going to hit baseline, or at least l have a hard time believing that.

      I doubt that the US getting off the Gold standard, and its currency losing face value is directly involved?

      But l would say that influencal people pushing the disaster and gold is all you should invest in, may be the reason.

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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        It may cause a worldwide recession, although AU, will probably avoid the worst of it, with the cash we can throw at it.:
        Bollocks. Most of the money is being thrown at businesses to try and get them to keep employing people. That will do exactly bugger all unless consumers keep pumping money into the company's till. Without that the companies will have no other choice to but to lay staff of or sack them. That creates a feedback loop where everyone stops spending and more companies "downsize", which causes people to stop spending, and so on and so on.

        Scomo's response to the coronavirus pandemic has been even worse than his response to the bushfire crisis. Too little, too late and aimed at the wrong target.

        What kept Australia out of the recession of 2008 was a stimulus package that "went early, went households and went hard". This half-arsed package has "gone late, gone to the wrong target and gone weak".

        We ARE going to have our first recession in 29 years. There is no escaping it. And there's no blaming the opposition for this mess as the incumbent mob have been in office for seven years and have been caught asleep at the wheel twice in the space of six months. Both the bushfire and the current crises could've been minimised if they'd actually been doing their jobs.

        Start getting your information from reliable sources like the Reserve Bank or the Bureau Of Statistics and not from the right wing bullshit artists in the Newscorp/Seven/Nine media cartel.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Bollocks. Most of the money is being thrown at businesses to try and get them to keep employing people. That will do exactly bugger all unless consumers keep pumping money into the company's till. Without that the companies will have no other choice to but to lay staff of or sack them. That creates a feedback loop where everyone stops spending and more companies "downsize", which causes people to stop spending, and so on and so on.

          Scomo's response to the coronavirus pandemic has been even worse than his response to the bushfire crisis. Too little, too late and aimed at the wrong target.

          What kept Australia out of the recession of 2008 was a stimulus package that "went early, went households and went hard". This half-arsed package has "gone late, gone to the wrong target and gone weak".

          We ARE going to have our first recession in 29 years. There is no escaping it. And there's no blaming the opposition for this mess as the incumbent mob have been in office for seven years and have been caught asleep at the wheel twice in the space of six months. Both the bushfire and the current crises could've been minimised if they'd actually been doing their jobs.

          Start getting your information from reliable sources like the Reserve Bank or the Bureau Of Statistics and not from the right wing bullshit artists in the Newscorp/Seven/Nine media cartel.
          You are probably right, businesse's may not benefit from it much, as would individuals, and giving the unemployed and people on disability benefits $750 will do nothing, except keep their heads above water for a little longer.

          That or go on a spending spree at Coles or Woolies?

          I tend to stay with the Financial Review, eventhough they are not as good as they used to be.

          And good to know that the rules here allow for a just and level platform of which issues can be discussed!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Whatty -

      After 2008 gold didn't peak in price till 2011-12 - and then began dropping back down soon after that. Too soon to see the trend.

      I don't remember if it was this thread or another that began with ideas for profiting in a time of crisis. Did you see the story of the two brothers in Tennessee who bought 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer in January to 'make a buck'?


      They sold some of it at high prices till ebay and amazon shut them down - then they received a 'cease and desist' from law enforcement...now are stuck with 17,000 bottles they can't sell - and being investigated by the state Attorney General for profiteering.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Whatty -

        After 2008 gold didn't peak in price till 2011-12 - and then began dropping back down soon after that. Too soon to see the trend.

        I don't remember if it was this thread or another that began with ideas for profiting in a time of crisis. Did you see the story of the two brothers in Tennessee who bought 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer in January to 'make a buck'?


        They sold some of it at high prices till ebay and amazon shut them down - then they received a 'cease and desist' from law enforcement...now are stuck with 17,000 bottles they can't sell - and being investigated by the state Attorney General for profiteering.

        Oops.
        They've now "donated" their excess inventory.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      One thing I'm finding very curious about the turmoil on financial markets is the gold price. In 2008 during the meltdown, gold went through the roof as investors sought a safe haven.

      This time around I'd expected a similar pattern to emerge. The price of gold is getting hammered along with everything else though and I'm buggered if I can think of a reason for it.

      Anyone have any ideas as to why this is?
      As an investor myself, I believed the stock market has risen to lofty levels beyond any reasonable justification of economic growth.

      Correction has long been overdue IMHO, and I've been largely out of the financials for a few months. Rather than hitting gold and other commodities, I think investors fleeing stocks are holding onto cash or investing in real estate.

      Gold also has been way overpriced with little further upside, and I don't believe there is anything fundamentally wrong with business affected by the stock market.

      Like the 2008 recession, I made a killing in the stock market by investing in otherwise sound companies at a steep discount. Savvy investors may be doing this again, because most companies really are fundamentally strong.

      Technically, we're in a bear market, but I consider this perhaps more of an overdue correction from a 11 year bull run. Perhaps not now, but I believe huge profits can be made through selective opportunistic investing.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        As an investor myself, I believed the stock market has risen to lofty levels beyond any reasonable justification of economic growth.

        Correction has long been overdue IMHO, and I've been largely out of the financials for a few months. Rather than hitting gold and other commodities, I think investors fleeing stocks are holding onto cash or investing in real estate.

        Gold also has been way overpriced with little further upside, and I don't believe there is anything fundamentally wrong with business affected by the stock market.

        Like the 2008 recession, I made a killing in the stock market by investing in otherwise sound companies at a steep discount. Savvy investors may be doing this again, because most companies really are fundamentally strong.

        Technically, we're in a bear market, but I consider this perhaps more of an overdue correction from a 11 year bull run. Perhaps not now, but I believe huge profits can be made through selective opportunistic investing.
        I agree with you entirely. During the bull run I've been accumulating cash. Along the way I've put a small amount of money into speculative plays like medical marijuana companies a couple of years ago. As they went through the roof, I took my initial investment out (plus a modest profit) and just held on to what amounted to shares that cost me nothing. As the boom in them ended I sold those off as well.

        At the start of the year I had a smidge over 30% of my portfolio in cash. Following the latest ructions that is now close to 50% despite me having pretty much the same amount in cash as at the start of the year.

        That pile is waiting for the inevitable turn around and then I'll start picking up quality stocks at bargain prices. That'll probably be my last big splurge before I reach retirement age.

        Until then though, things are probably going to get a lot worse before they begin to get better.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          That pile is waiting for the inevitable turn around and then I'll start picking up quality stocks at bargain prices. That'll probably be my last big splurge before I reach retirement age.

          Until then though, things are probably going to get a lot worse before they begin to get better.
          I've always been optimistic, which has been extremely good for me in many ways. The stock market, overall, has been on an uptrend for more than 50 years.

          Tragic as this is for many affected by the coronavirus, our economy is strong and resilient. The unknown, uncertainty, and fear are the primary drivers in financial turmoil.

          Having said that, I wouldn't wait for a "turnaround". That could be too late. I've been using this adage somewhat as a guide in the stock market; "Buy on bad news, sell on good news."

          Of course, understand the underlying fundamentals of each individual stock, but also I would never try to predict the bottom. There are opportunities now for great bargains with companies affected by emotional investors.

          One example of a sector is the airline industry. They are currently way underpriced, yet have had record sales. Most certainly, IMO, investing in these stocks would have a huge upside in a few months.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by myob View Post



            One example of a sector is the airline industry. They are currently way underpriced, yet have had record sales. Mosertainly, IMO, investing in these stocks would have a huge upside in a few months.
            really ..the airlines are asking the us government for 50 billion dollars to help them get through the travel bans and large number of flight cancellations. if their stocks go down to almost nothing near zero then snap up as many as you can haha .. same with hotel industries .. cruise lines and anything that will
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              really ..the airlines are asking the us government for 50 billion dollars to help them get through the travel bans and large number of flight cancellations.
              And then they'll recover and their price will recover.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                And then they'll recover and their price will recover.
                Maybe. Perhaps you are right.

                A lot of optimism from the investor crowd, maybe some irrational exuberance too. Maybe.

                There has been a lot of talk about:
                "The other side" of this thing.
                A return to normalcy.
                When we bounce back.
                The light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe all that is unwarranted positivity too?

                We stand at the intersection, a crossroads with four or more possible outcomes.

                From DIRE off the deep end sky is falling, to hoax and nothing to worry about.

                ALL of us can only speculate, although I would remind some of you that for centuries the belief that real estate always holds value and was the safest investment out there...and became the normalcy bias...the idea that people tend to believe things will work or function the same way in the future as they did in the past...it would be wise to examine our own bias about the future.

                The DIRE end of the world as we know it crowd sez, the world will never be the same and from those who want to bunker down, stock up on ammo and survive the apocalypse (for some reason) to those who believe it will set us back to feudal ways and be the humanity holocaust many are expecting.

                Maybe so. Hope not.

                At the other end, are those who shout HOAX, no big deal, media exploitation, this too shall pass when the summer comes. May be they are right, and it turns out the way Y2K doomsdayers said it wouldn't...nothing happens.

                Then there are a couple or a few different and in between BELIEFS at this time, and only time will reveal which if any of them will be what the future brings.

                It could change a lot of things significantly, the way we conduct our selves and business and alter our lifestyles.

                It could quickly pass and consumerism will once again win the day.

                The stock market will be just fine. (I have personal doubt here.)

                We will be just fine and come out it even better than we were. Maybe.

                Sure, we all are guessing on what the future will bring. This is different from anything I've experienced. Maybe my parents and grandparents who went through WW I and the Great Depression might have insights.

                I'm a Happy Days child of the 50's. Went through civil rights movement, the hot summer where cities burned, Vietnam and protests, Riots in the street. Have been through many natural disasters, almost everything but wildfire, I feel for those folks. But hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, and other such "natural disasters", we see the worst and the best of humanity. I like to think the good outweighed the bad in the past, where when we got through it, whatever the IT was, people helped people.

                And MAYBE, this will be the same thing. It just feels very different.

                Even a very short period of time under these conditions will have ripple effects for most of us for a long time to come.

                Like Sergeant Shultz on the old TV show, HOGAN'S HEROES, portrayed by actor John Banner, I too

                "I know nothing".

                I admit it. I plan and prepare for the worst, hope for the best and do it one day at a time, hopefully, to the best of my ability, humor and with a knowing, we all goin die.

                But (and revealing what a true TV brain I am), I am going to borrow from Arya Stark on the Game of Thrones, who repeatedly said to death...

                NOT TODAY.

                And that comes with it's own expectaion of LIVING fully, completely, unafraid of the unknown and taking it one day at a time.

                World War C-19 will change the world. Maybe.

                MAYBE NOT. But it won't change me.

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                • Profile picture of the author myob
                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  World War C-19 will change the world. Maybe.

                  MAYBE NOT. But it won't change me.

                  GordonJ
                  This will change the world, just as other major epidemics and pandemics in history. But the global infrastructure being put in place now will help to more quickly identify and counter future viral catastrophes.

                  Viruses evolve - that's just what they do. For some perspective, the CDC estimates that there has been over 22,000 deaths from the current annual seasonal flu (non COVID-19)
                  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

                  We need to change our lifestyle as advised by medical experts during the current crisis - to prevent the spread of this highly contagious virus to the vulnerable such as the elderly (55+) and those with compromised immune systems.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      As an investor myself, I believed the stock market has risen to lofty levels beyond any reasonable justification of economic growth.

      Correction has long been overdue IMHO, and I've been largely out of the financials for a few months. Rather than hitting gold and other commodities, I think investors fleeing stocks are holding onto cash or investing in real estate.

      Gold also has been way overpriced with little further upside, and I don't believe there is anything fundamentally wrong with business affected by the stock market.

      Like the 2008 recession, I made a killing in the stock market by investing in otherwise sound companies at a steep discount. Savvy investors may be doing this again, because most companies really are fundamentally strong.

      Technically, we're in a bear market, but I consider this perhaps more of an overdue correction from a 11 year bull run. Perhaps not now, but I believe huge profits can be made through selective opportunistic investing.
      Agreed, the ASX 200, had a huge downturn around 2008, and has had a large downturn lately, especially with the dead cat bounce l saw recently, but honestly even if AU, ends up with a trillion dollar dept at the end of this we will bounce back.

      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      I've always been optimistic, which has been extremely good for me in many ways. The stock market, overall, has been on an uptrend for more than 50 years.

      Tragic as this is for many affected by the coronavirus, our economy is strong and resilient. The unknown, uncertainty, and fear are the primary drivers in financial turmoil.

      Having said that, I wouldn't wait for a "turnaround". That could be too late. I've been using this adage somewhat as a guide in the stock market; "Buy on bad news, sell on good news."

      Of course, understand the underlying fundamentals of each individual stock, but also I would never try to predict the bottom. There are opportunities now for great bargains with companies affected by emotional investors.

      One example of a sector is the airline industry. They are currently way underpriced, yet have had record sales. Most certainly, IMO, investing in these stocks would have a huge upside in a few months.
      Yes, predicting the bottom is a b...ch, but there are huge profits if you can.

      I tend to wait for the underlining upward trend, and other markers before investing, although with the markets so volatile l may stay with the ASX than the US, since l can watch the aussie one all day, and pull out if needed.

      The NYSE, l can watch for an hour or so, then wait and pray, and sure l can put in stop loss, but most of the big falls tend to happen pre-market.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      At this rate of contagion, in a month, it will be as bad as it gets ...and in a couple of months, people will start getting better faster than people are getting sick.

      And then we can go back to living our lives.

      This morning the UPS guy delivered a box to our store. I joked "Do you want a hug?"

      And he went on a rant about the "sheep believing the sky is falling. It's the flu! We know how to wash our hands.".

      Honest, I forgot that there are people out there like that.

      This isn't a Zombie Apocalypse, but it's damn inconvenient. Starting tomorrow, we are reducing the hours we are open (for the next two weeks or so), and may just shut the store down if nobody shows up.

      But this too shall pass.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        At this rate of contagion, in a month, it will be as bad as it gets ...and in a couple of months, people will start getting better faster than people are getting sick.

        And then we can go back to living our lives.

        This morning the UPS guy delivered a box to our store. I joked "Do you want a hug?"

        And he went on a rant about the "sheep believing the sky is falling. It's the flu! We know how to wash our hands.".

        Honest, I forgot that there are people out there like that.

        This isn't a Zombie Apocalypse, but it's damn inconvenient. Starting tomorrow, we are reducing the hours we are open (for the next two weeks or so), and may just shut the store down if nobody shows up.

        But this too shall pass.
        Too many people in my close circle are like that.

        Stupid
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        And he went on a rant about the "sheep believing the sky is falling. It's the flu! We know how to wash our hands."
        I'd be willing to bet what's left of my 401k that this guy is generally a selfish SOB.

        Yes, for the general populace it amounts to the flu. However, do you really want to kill your grandma? Or diabetic Uncle Joe?
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'd be willing to bet what's left of my 401k that this guy is generally a selfish SOB.

          Yes, for the general populace it amounts to the flu. However, do you really want to kill your grandma? Or diabetic Uncle Joe?
          so many people who refer to others as sheep .. who believe everything is a hoax ..and that the government is really looking for an opportunity to cull the herd and throw people into fema camps ..

          there is no reasoning with them .. just moveing on to other subjects .. or walking away ..

          the zombies in this .. are the people who think they will be fine even if they catch it so they are going about their lives and not protecting other people from their stupidity ..

          the many reason we have been advancing as fast as we have the last few hundred years .. is because a small number of people have been able to make advancments that eventually improve the lives of most of the rest of the people .. we still have the same brain and same physical build we had 200,000 years ago .. prone to believing the easies things to believe .

          the thing about this though is it is effecting the entire world at about the same time .. and the smartest minds on the planet are working on the solution and talking to each other .. massive world wide ab testing ..and in the US the fda being push into warp speed immediate approval mode ..

          there are probably several drug we already have that can fight this .. and apperently two anti maleria drugs are showing potential .. and just need to be approved for use in treating cv 19

          what the doctors and scientist working on this now apperently need is awebsite or database or something online where credentialed experts working on this can share and find information from other experts ...

          can anyone in this community help with that
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I'd be willing to bet what's left of my 401k that this guy is generally a selfish SOB.

          Yes, for the general populace it amounts to the flu. However, do you really want to kill your grandma? Or diabetic Uncle Joe?
          You are mistaken. This virus attacks the lungs far more than ordinary flu. And so far in the US, 20 times more people die from this virus, at every age, than with the flu. And at any age, with an underlying medical condition, these figures spike.

          In Italy, it's 40 times more deadly than the flu. Why? Not enough hospital beds for the serious cases. They are now making decisions of who gets treated and who doesn't. We are two weeks behind them...on the same curve.

          It's that at the advanced ages, these percentages really look terrible. If my wife gets this she has an 8% chance of dying. More, because she has a generally weak immune system.

          And the hidden danger is that the flu shows signs just after you get it. This virus shows no symptoms (for whatever reason) for between 4 and 14 days. So far more people are going to get this from innocent carriers than the flu.

          In a few months, this will all be a memory. But for now? It's a real threat.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


            And the hidden danger is that the flu shows signs just after you get it. This virus shows no symptoms (for whatever reason) for between 4 and 14 days. So far more people are going to get this from innocent carriers than the flu.

            In a few months, this will all be a memory. But for now? It's a real threat.
            in a few months we will have the tools in place to treat this even without a vaccine ..with so much stuff shut down.. one tactic is to go to big retail chaines who where shutting down stores anyway.. and creal the stores and set up temporary icu beds strictly for cv-19 patients ..this can be done in nearly every city in the country ...

            or just build military style triage tents in large unused parking lots ..for wuhan flu cases.

            the policy is to slow this down so we don't have whats going on in itally happen .. everyone in the Usa will eventually get expose somehow ..
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You are mistaken. This virus attacks the lungs far more than ordinary flu. And so far in the US, 20 times more people die from this virus, at every age, than with the flu. And at any age, with an underlying medical condition, these figures spike.

            In Italy, it's 40 times more deadly than the flu. Why? Not enough hospital beds for the serious cases. They are now making decisions of who gets treated and who doesn't. We are two weeks behind them...on the same curve.

            It's that at the advanced ages, these percentages really look terrible. If my wife gets this she has an 8% chance of dying. More, because she has a generally weak immune system.

            And the hidden danger is that the flu shows signs just after you get it. This virus shows no symptoms (for whatever reason) for between 4 and 14 days. So far more people are going to get this from innocent carriers than the flu.

            In a few months, this will all be a memory. But for now? It's a real threat.
            While I think you misplaced my sentiment, the general consensus among medical professionals is it presents as a mild flu for most people. If it tracks down into your lungs, you've got a problem. This happens more often in the elderly and the immuno-compromised.

            https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...ms/5009057002/

            Dr. Raphael Viscidi, infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins Medicine, urges to public to think of the coronavirus like the flu because it goes through the same process within the body. Many people contract the flu and recover with no complications.

            That's the general sentiment to which I was referring that fuels people like your UPS guy. "If I get it, it's just a minor flu." But it's going to be much more for his dad or his brother with lung cancer.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        At this rate of contagion, in a month, it will be as bad as it gets ...and in a couple of months, people will start getting better faster than people are getting sick.

        And then we can go back to living our lives.

        This morning the UPS guy delivered a box to our store. I joked "Do you want a hug?"

        And he went on a rant about the "sheep believing the sky is falling. It's the flu! We know how to wash our hands.".

        Honest, I forgot that there are people out there like that.

        This isn't a Zombie Apocalypse, but it's damn inconvenient. Starting tomorrow, we are reducing the hours we are open (for the next two weeks or so), and may just shut the store down if nobody shows up.

        But this too shall pass.
        "This isn't a Zombie Apocalypse, but it's damn inconvenient. Starting tomorrow, we are reducing the hours we are open (for the next two weeks or so), and may just shut the store down if nobody shows up."

        So are people showing up. A deadly pandemic is bearing down on me. I think I need to go out and buy a Riccar. I would close for a few weeks at least. Spend some quality time with your wife and two wildcats
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          "This isn't a Zombie Apocalypse, but it's damn inconvenient. Starting tomorrow, we are reducing the hours we are open (for the next two weeks or so), and may just shut the store down if nobody shows up."

          So are people showing up. A deadly pandemic is bearing down on me. I think I need to go out and buy a Riccar. I would close for a few weeks at least. Spend some quality time with your wife and two wildcats
          We are still having people show up, but in very reduced numbers. The fact is, most of my work is done here. My wife is an artist and all her supplies are here. So even if we closed to the public, we'll probably still show up for several hours a day.


          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          such as the elderly (55+) .
          Hey! ...................HEY! I'm standing right here!
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            We are still having people show up, but in very reduced numbers. The fact is, most of my work is done here. My wife is an artist and all her supplies are here. So even if we closed to the public, we'll probably still show up for several hours a day.




            Hey! ...................HEY! I'm standing right here!
            Agreed.. Old age does not really start till 65. They even say 70 is the new 65 now.

            Said the 63 year old
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Hey! ...................HEY! I'm standing right here!
            Hey ............ I'm 67, but there are lots of "elderly" much younger than I am.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      In Cali - the gov is commandeering hotels with plans to move the homeless into rooms. Sounds humane - but why hotels rather than empty, state owned student dorms? What will the rooms look like in 2 months? How will they get the people to leave when it's time to go? food service? cleaning? laundry?

      In the past the homeless population has not been decimated by various flu events. It's not a healthy population - so what does that happen? For years doctors have said we take too many antibiotics and use too many germ killing products....will be some interesting studies done when this is over.


      Maybe it's still early in the pandemic but some countries like India and some in Africa have dense areas of population - but very few cases of this disease. Why might that be?
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        In Cali - the gov is commandeering hotels with plans to move the homeless into rooms. Sounds humane - but why hotels rather than empty, state owned student dorms? What will the rooms look like in 2 months? How will they get the people to leave when it's time to go? food service? cleaning? laundry?

        In the past the homeless population has not been decimated by various flu events. It's not a healthy population - so what does that happen? For years doctors have said we take too many antibiotics and use too many germ killing products....will be some interesting studies done when this is over.


        Maybe it's still early in the pandemic but some countries like India and some in Africa have dense areas of population - but very few cases of this disease. Why might that be?
        India stepped up by tracking the people with the virus and quarantining
        everyone they came into contact with (1000+) .
        They did it with cell phone and video surveillance.

        sorry- I cant find a link to the article I read.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The most interesting graph I'm watching is on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


      The graph on the left tracks numbers....and the uptick is chilling.


      The first 50,000 and 100,000 cases took about 3 weeks time to reach


      150,000 took only 8 days - 200,000 will be 3-4 days


      Not exponential growth but not good, either. At this rate infection will be 50k a day by next week....NO medical system of any country can handle that sort of infection rate efficiently.


      That is the best organized site I've found as you can sort each columns and look at state by country, too. Clicking twice on header of 'number cases/million people' provides a totally different ranking system.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The older you get - the older 'old' gets...that's just how it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.

      Agreed. You are one of the most rationale and logical people I know. Mean that in a good way.


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      <snip>
      It's that at the advanced ages, these percentages really look terrible. If my wife gets this she has an 8% chance of dying. More, because she has a generally weak immune system.

      The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.

      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      We are still having people show up, but in very reduced numbers. The fact is, most of my work is done here. My wife is an artist and all her supplies are here. So even if we closed to the public, we'll probably still show up for several hours a day.
      <snip>

      "The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable."


      In my frame of logic, even with reduced numbers of people showing up at the store (say 90%) the remaining 10% may (God forbid) infect you and you may infect your wife.


      You are a good man Claude and good men do right by their wives.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post



        You are a good man Claude and good men do right by their wives.
        Then let me set your mind at ease. My wife and I don't touch each other at all now. Not because we don't want to, but because of the possibility of contagion. We don't touch the same food or use the same silverware or glasses.


        And we have agreed that if I start showing symptoms, I'll stay in the basement (a nicely furnished finished basement...not like Riffle's cobweb infested dungeon).

        And....like I said....even if we close the store, I'll still go there to work.
        And....believe me...my wife washes just about everything now with a disinfectant. it's 70% alcohol with Triethelyne glycol.

        As long as she stays away from everyone, and stops her little shopping trips...something I actually raised my voice about....she should be OK.

        And starting tomorrow, she said she's staying home until this subsides. I feel like hiding the car keys though......

        And my store has two high end air purifiers going 24 hours a day. The place smells like bleach.

        I'm very careful with the few customers we get now. And I wash my hands with the same soap surgeons use. It kills the virus...and plays holy hell with my skin. In fact. you can't buy that soap any more, because it's so toxic if taken internally, or if pets get any of it in their system. So I can't bring it home.

        And...a few more days like today...I think we took in $100 or so...and we'll just shut it down for a few weeks, after I call all the people waiting for repairs to be done, or parts to pick up.

        I'm not worried about getting the virus from a customer. I'm worried about my wife going to Lowe's "to get a few things"...or visiting her grandchildren.....

        I do appreciate your thinking of us.

        Added later; My wife and I just talked about it. We're closing the store for a month at least after Friday. We have shipments coming in, and I have to be there. I'll still work there, but the store will be closed.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'm very careful with the few customers we get now. And I wash my hands with the same soap surgeons use. It kills the virus...and plays holy hell with my skin.

          Try moisturizing cream. I wash my hands a lot even before coronavirus. The cream helps a lot.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Then let me set your mind at ease. My wife and I don't touch each other at all now. Not because we don't want to, but because of the possibility of contagion. We don't touch the same food or use the same silverware or glasses.


          And we have agreed that if I start showing symptoms, I'll stay in the basement (a nicely furnished finished basement...not like Riffle's cobweb infested dungeon).

          And....like I said....even if we close the store, I'll still go there to work.
          And....believe me...my wife washes just about everything now with a disinfectant. it's 70% alcohol with Triethelyne glycol.

          As long as she stays away from everyone, and stops her little shopping trips...something I actually raised my voice about....she should be OK.

          And starting tomorrow, she said she's staying home until this subsides. I feel like hiding the car keys though......

          And my store has two high end air purifiers going 24 hours a day. The place smells like bleach.

          I'm very careful with the few customers we get now. And I wash my hands with the same soap surgeons use. It kills the virus...and plays holy hell with my skin. In fact. you can't buy that soap any more, because it's so toxic if taken internally, or if pets get any of it in their system. So I can't bring it home.

          And...a few more days like today...I think we took in $100 or so...and we'll just shut it down for a few weeks, after I call all the people waiting for repairs to be done, or parts to pick up.

          I'm not worried about getting the virus from a customer. I'm worried about my wife going to Lowe's "to get a few things"...or visiting her grandchildren.....

          I do appreciate your thinking of us.

          Added later; My wife and I just talked about it. We're closing the store for a month at least after Friday. We have shipments coming in, and I have to be there. I'll still work there, but the store will be closed.
          That's the trouble with you,.your so Conservative and never take things to the extreme

          Until now
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          <snip>


          Added later; My wife and I just talked about it. We're closing the store for a month at least after Friday. We have shipments coming in, and I have to be there. I'll still work there, but the store will be closed.

          Oh great. Now we have to put up with you for at least another millennium. Should have kept my big mouth shut.


          I applaud you sir!
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      While I think you misplaced my sentiment, the general consensus among medical professionals is it presents as a mild flu for most people. If it tracks down into your lungs, you've got a problem. This happens more often in the elderly and the immuno-compromised.

      https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...ms/5009057002/

      Dr. Raphael Viscidi, infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins Medicine, urges to public to think of the coronavirus like the flu because it goes through the same process within the body. Many people contract the flu and recover with no complications.

      That's the general sentiment to which I was referring that fuels people like your UPS guy. "If I get it, it's just a minor flu." But it's going to be much more for his dad or his brother with lung cancer.
      True, most will get a mild flu type thing, which will be different to a virus but similar.

      Currently there are 30 cases in Vic, AU, so most have one chance in 125,000 of catching it in my state, or a 0.0010% chance, out of up to 3,000,000.

      Or l would have a better chance of wining a fairly large prize on a scratchy than getting this.

      Obviously the elderly or people over 70, have much higher odd's of dying from this, and that is the concern.

      My state is in a state of emergency, which means someone, can close down anything and also fine people 20k, if they break containment.

      Which is excessive, but l guess in my state it isn't!


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Then let me set your mind at ease. My wife and I don't touch each other at all now. Not because we don't want to, but because of the possibility of contagion. We don't touch the same food or use the same silverware or glasses.

      And we have agreed that if I start showing symptoms, I'll stay in the basement (a nicely furnished finished basement...not like Riffle's cobweb infested dungeon).

      And....like I said....even if we close the store, I'll still go there to work.
      And....believe me...my wife washes just about everything now with a disinfectant. it's 70% alcohol with Triethelyne glycol.

      As long as she stays away from everyone, and stops her little shopping trips...something I actually raised my voice about....she should be OK.

      And starting tomorrow, she said she's staying home until this subsides. I feel like hiding the car keys though......

      And my store has two high end air purifiers going 24 hours a day. The place smells like bleach.

      I'm very careful with the few customers we get now. And I wash my hands with the same soap surgeons use. It kills the virus...and plays holy hell with my skin. In fact. you can't buy that soap any more, because it's so toxic if taken internally, or if pets get any of it in their system. So I can't bring it home.

      And...a few more days like today...I think we took in $100 or so...and we'll just shut it down for a few weeks, after I call all the people waiting for repairs to be done, or parts to pick up.

      I'm not worried about getting the virus from a customer. I'm worried about my wife going to Lowe's "to get a few things"...or visiting her grandchildren.....

      I do appreciate your thinking of us.

      Added later; My wife and I just talked about it. We're closing the store for a month at least after Friday. We have shipments coming in, and I have to be there. I'll still work there, but the store will be closed.
      The trouble is this will go on for 3 to six months, so Victorians should self isolate or live at home for three months, and order food online, (which we currently can't do)?

      Suicide rates through depression will be much higher than catching this, so no nice idea, but in the real world, some will stay and home for a good part of a month, and go out.

      I have to go out at least once a week, to buy food, and have seen near empty restaurants and coffee shops, so as long as reasonable precautions are taken, (don't use anything that touches the table, etc) it is safe.

      About the only thing that this 20k fine will do is, make some people avoid seeing a doctor, and stay at home for a week, then avoid the elderly, when they are feeling better.

      The basement, lol, l thought that was where kids with Apple laptops and brilliant people with poor grammar hanged out?

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        True, most will get a mild flu type thing, which will be different to a virus but similar.

        Currently there are 30 cases in Vic, AU, so most have one chance in 125,000 of catching it in my state, or a 0.0010% chance, out of up to 3,000,000.
        Shane; When you hear about most having "Mild symptoms" that just means they aren't requiring a hospital stay.

        If there are 30 cases, that means that 30 people...who were tested....had results that came back positive. This is so early in the contagion that the vast majority of people who have it, haven't shown symptoms yet...and are passing it on to everyone they touch. And most of these people haven't been tested.





        In a couple of weeks, the world is going to see the results of what happened today. And it isn't going to be pretty.

        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


        So in some instances now some experts and the media are extrapolating numbers based on a prediction.
        No. They are extrapolating numbers based on what is happening in all parts of the world.

        We already know about the infection rates in China and Italy. In the US, we are just a couple weeks behind them.

        So it's not a prediction. It's happening now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      And sure there are opportunities for day and swing traders, but for the hangers on, that need their money now or soon or the income from that, they are suffering.
      Every investor in my family is buying into the downturn - it's what investors do. People that might need their money should not be investing to begin with.
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      And the main reason with Korea had a big outbreak was because one person who was infected attended service at a magachurch with thousands of other people .two different days .
      Saw a video the other day said the person was patient #31 in your quote. This weekend someone went to a Hospital in East Orange and gave a fake id. The person tested positive. When the Newark police found out about the fake id. They are now looking for this person. How many will this one person infect ?

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Every investor in my family is buying into the downturn - it's what investors do. People that might need their money should not be investing to begin with.
      Wonder why the person you quoted keeps bringing this subject up in their post other than ..... nah never mind

      Went to pick up bird food yesterday from a local pet store. Got there and the building was locked with a big sign on it. Closed due to the c- virus. The reason is to keep foot traffic out of the store, because they want to protect their family.

      The sign also read. A employee would be in the store taken care of things there The sign said to call a number or place your order through facebook.. They will put the order together after it is prepaid. No cash is allowed. Once the card is processed they gave you a time to pickup the supplies in front of the store. Once ready they opened the door laid the product on the ground at a safe distance. That was done you can pick it up. Great way to keep social distance and risk not your health on both ends.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      What I've noticed is that even with the strict procedures in place there doesn't seem to be a downturn in cases yet. I don't doubt the 'seclusion/quarantine' policies will work...but how long might it take?


      There may never be another time in our lives when we can study human behavior as we can now. From friends/neighbors, to celebs, to pols and pundits - leaders and problem solvers are stepping up while others focus on their personal complaints and petty agendas. People watching - at a distance.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsimms
    I went to the store today just find out all all the eggs and chicken are gone, and I mean gone, and the store said they only got half their order, and that tells me that stores are already facing transportation delays, even my walmart order took 7 days to arrive when it normally arrives in 2 days...

    and by reading earlier posts, there are more efficient ways to thin the heard, because if you take out manufacturing, transportation then that would be a certain death to most people that rely on such services, if other sectors shut down such as Electricity, water, then most of the planet would die.

    So if Manufacturing, Transportation, Electric, Water were to be shut off, then I suspect a good portion of the planet would be in real big trouble, and that would be far worse then the Coronavirus...
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      Originally Posted by dsimms View Post

      I went to the store today just find out all all the eggs and chicken are gone, and I mean gone, and the store said they only got half their order, and that tells me that stores are already facing transportation delays, even my walmart order took 7 days to arrive when it normally arrives in 2 days...

      and by reading earlier posts, there are more efficient ways to thin the heard, because if you take out manufacturing, transportation then that would be a certain death to most people that rely on such services, if other sectors shut down such as Electricity, water, then most of the planet would die.

      So if Manufacturing, Transportation, Electric, Water were to be shut off, then I suspect a good portion of the planet would be in real big trouble, and that would be far worse then the Coronavirus...
      What will be delivered first..The Chicken or the Egg

      Power, water, gas, electricity etc will always be a priority as well as food and medicine.

      Most stores are only running out of stuff because us dumb assed humans are panic buying and stockpiling. There is no shortage as yet, just a little difficult to keep up with an increased demand.
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    I don't know which is scarier - the people partying and the police having to step in

    Video of police clearing New Orleans' Bourbon Street

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1239060530905653248


    or this headline - which I assume is one of the thousands on its way.

    Spanish soccer coach for Atletico Portada Alta dies from coronavirus at age 21

    The kid did not even know he had an underlying condition and it killed him.

    I believe thats going to happen over and over, across all age brackets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soc...cid=spartandhp
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      I don't know which is scarier - the people partying and the police having to step in

      Video of police clearing New Orleans' Bourbon Street

      https://twitter.com/i/status/1239060530905653248


      or this headline - which I assume is one of the thousands on its way.

      Spanish soccer coach for Atletico Portada Alta dies from coronavirus at age 21

      The kid did not even know he had an underlying condition and it killed him.

      I believe thats going to happen over and over, across all age brackets.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soc...cid=spartandhp
      A pre existing condition, discovered or not, allowed the virus to carry him off though. This is unfortunate but influenza could have done the same thing.
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