[Medon]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Well, the news just broke that it's in my home county now. ugg.

I'm starting to think that this is going to get worse than most imagine.

TBH I'm glad my kid and I are healthy and not in a worrisome age bracket,
but most of my real friends and cherished peeps aren't that healthy and are older.

My favorite three people are 83, 84 and 85.
Luckily they live in the real world and not in an assisted living facility.
I think I'm starting to get genuinely worried for them.

No need of worrying, there are signs that a vaccine or a cure may be out soon. Already 100 vaccines are either in the first or second trial stages.

[Profit Traveler]

The very intelligent Science savvy Careful Mayor who likes to get out and mingle with the people and engage where I am and that did not want to downgrade Quarantine for this city but was overruled for economy now has COVID.

[Kay King]

With over 8 MILLION cases worldwide - and almost 450k deaths - I think 'worrying' in the form of caution is the smart thing to do.


It may be another year before there is a vaccine. Even then, like most 'flu' vaccines it will not be 100% effective. Best hope is to find meds (like the steroid now being touted in the media) that can treat the worst cases and lower death rate.

[DWolfe]

Originally Posted by Medon

No need of worrying, there are signs that a vaccine or a cure may be out soon. Already 100 vaccines are either in the first or second trial stages.

Try getting a Shingles Vaccine - There are huge shortages and not enough of it to go around. The same will happen with Covid vaccines.

There will be more demand before enough vaccines will be distributed. The majority of the worlds population will all want the same thing at the same time. Who gets it first ? So you say not worry? If it ravishes your family and a vaccine is ready are you going to be in line first or someone else ?

[Jeffery]

Everyone is entitled to worry, be optimistic, and be realistic.

Everyone is also entitled to protect themselves and their loved ones and that may mean you as an individual must protect yourself, so that you are here today and tomorrow to protect your loved ones.

There are two imminent threats:
COVID 19 and future mutations.
and
Decision Makers and future mutations.

There are two solutions:
Vaccines for COVID 19
and
Vaccines for COVID mutations

An aggressive militaristic policy:

Solutions (vaccines) may be developed for the imminent threats and the Decision Makers will decide how the solutions are managed (distributed).

All I can say is be ready for harsh solutions. Personal opinions will be secondary to the priority of Saving Lives.

Directed at the potty mouths:

Want to spout about how our government does this or does that or should have done this or should have done that? Go ahead, but do it while your standing in the line to get your vaccine. And don't spout out-loud.. in my neck of the woods the virus will be the least of your worries.

[socialentry]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Hawaii has a bad economy - very expensive to live or travel there - low wages. Estimate is 40% of small business in Hawaii have had $0 income in past two months. But the state is remaining closed...why? there is no logic there.

I'm not sure, it could be a number of reasons:


1)They have no ability to do contact tracing , no will or ability for reform, they don't want to say it outright because they don't want to lose their jobs but they know it so blanket ban it is.

2)It's politically unfeasible to ban US citizens from traveling to Hawaii and only accept travelers from societies with sane coronavirus responses e.g. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand and a few others.
So they make a blanket ban instead.

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by Kay King

With over 8 MILLION cases worldwide - and almost 450k deaths - I think 'worrying' in the form of caution is the smart thing to do.


It may be another year before there is a vaccine. Even then, like most 'flu' vaccines it will not be 100% effective. Best hope is to find meds (like the steroid now being touted in the media) that can treat the worst cases and lower death rate.

Since I first posted, 122 days have gone by, another 122 puts us somewhere in Mid October.

We MAY know a little bit more by then, but it feels like we're still on the front side of this thing. And life went on, and a long hot summer awaits. Life went on (for those that didn't die, obviously) but life has changed for almost everybody.

We early on talked about SUPPLY chain, today, mid June, some areas are starting to see the effects. Some stores have big empty spaces on their shelves. We are just starting to feel the repercussions, some of it abated with stimulus checks and rapid unemployment benefits, but even the not driving, or rather the NOT using of gas for our cars, has had an impact on life.

Whatever normal was, it won't look the same except through special BS BLOCKER glasses (where have you gone Joe Sugarman, our nation turns our burning eyes to you...with apologies to Simon and the Garfunkel guys).

As we have seen in this thread, a lot of opinions getting bandied about, but my crystal balls say, Covid is only one of the many problems we are going to be facing in the very near future.

And one of the biggest ones, a divisive rift which could, possibly take us to the new world so many have been waiting for. And when it gets here, for real, be ready for some changes that history tells us could be cataclysmic.

I imagine 1967-68, the Chicago Convention and wonder what a pandemic would have added...and it won't be long until we find out.

Me, Alfred E, Neuman, Bobby McFerrin and Barbara Harris (NASHVILLE the movie) may not be worried,

YET, we also may be whistling (and singing) past the cemetary too.

GordonJ

[myob]

We are facing revolutionary challenges and opportunities in four basic fundamental areas; C.R.A.P. (Coronavirus, Recovery, Alienation, and Protest.

These four parallel channels are rapidly opening up unprecedented forces of innovation, technology, economic development, social change, etc.

Some changes which have already been on a course which may have taken decades have suddenly been compressed into just a few months.

[mandiradebnath]

Now so many relaxations are there. I am from India. I can avail all the essential thing from online. SO online business is going good now. People need to maintain hygiene and social distance

[Kay King]

We are facing revolutionary challenges and opportunities in four basic fundamental areas; C.R.A.P. (Coronavirus, Recovery, Alienation, and Protest.

These four parallel channels are rapidly opening up unprecedented forces of innovation, technology, economic development, social change, etc.

The issues above - and the changes or laws meant to address them or to address emerging potential social media problems...can and will affect some internet marketers.


However, going any further into the political arena is not appropriate here and political posts will be deleted. Please stick to the covid-19 issue.

[spartan14]

Well in my opinion coronavirus its over .This its was just a fake alarm and some big elites people make an experiement to see what people will do .So far god love us

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by spartan14

Well in my opinion coronavirus its over .This its was just a fake alarm and some big elites people make an experiement to see what people will do .So far god love us

the big elite people freaked out.. the numbers have been bad in the US ..and if china was truthfull about how bad thing are there..right now the capital of china is on lockdown and people are not even allowed out of their appartements to get food apparently .

so there wasn't anything fake about the virus just a big number of unknowns we actually still do not know ..

but we face many more dangers staying locked down than letting things open up again and trying to figure out how to get the economy to function a lot better so that half the population isn't a few weeks or a few months away from destitution ..

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by spartan14

Well in my opinion coronavirus its over .This its was just a fake alarm and some big elites people make an experiement to see what people will do .So far god love us

And they killed 116,000 people in the US just to make their point. Those darn elites.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by spartan14

Well in my opinion coronavirus its over .This its was just a fake alarm and some big elites people make an experiement to see what people will do .So far god love us

In my gated, rental community of about 300 residences, the management has just announced one resident has contracted the virus and has been asked to self isolate. That probably means more have too.

This thing is far from over. Be afraid and very careful about what you do.

The USA's total deaths stand at 121,113 with 425 US citizens having died so far today. The US is still losing around 1000 people per day and that's just recorded figures.

I'm sure a smattering of them had the same attitude you did

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by spartan14

Well in my uneducated opinion coronavirus its over .This its was just a fake alarm and some big elites people make an experiement to see what people will do .So far god love us

Fixed that for you.

In Romania, as of June 3, 2020 there have been 1,282 deaths and it is projected as of August 4, 2020 there will be 1,625 deaths.

Nothing fake about it:
covid19.healthdata.org/romania

Is it difficult being an uneducated person in an educated world?

[myob]

Ignorance is real. There's a pandemic of uneducated masses and general distrust of science. While there are of course legitimate voices of dissent, coronavirus skeptics are usually just loud misinformed conspiracy theorists.

[pilerp]

As this thread progressed from start to this date; the world, in some ways, changed irreversibly in our wake.

[GordonJ]

Originally Posted by pilerp

As this thread progressed from start to this date; the world, in some ways, changed irreversibly in our wake.

Say Friday the 13th of March, 2020 was the DAWN of a new day, and this thread started about a month before that...

There are those who have said, it would be over by June. Others didn't believe it at all, it was fake news (and many still believe that)...

Recently, by their actions, many Governors declared the sun had set on the problem.

But, we are barely mid morning on this thing. Unless amazing discoveries are made soon, the dusk of Covid-19 is hidden in the sandstorms of optimism. And financial desperation.

GordonJ

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[Claude Whitacre]

As we speak, more than half the states in the US are recording record numbers of cases...being admitted to the hospitals.

This isn't the second wave. We are still in the first wave. The only thing that kept our eyes off this problem was other issues in the country. But it's back in the news.

I doubt that we will close our store again..but we aren't going to eat in a restaurant...or go to a movie theater...for quite a while.

We have had several friends that owned restaurants and a gym....and they are all ruined.

My wife's brother had a test, and got a false positive. It scared the stuffing out of the whole family.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Say Friday the 13th of March, 2020 was the DAWN of a new day, and this thread started about a month before that...

There are those who have said, it would be over by June. Others didn't believe it at all, it was fake news (and many still believe that)...

Recently, by their actions, many Governors declared the sun had set on the problem.

But, we are barely mid morning on this thing. Unless amazing discoveries are made soon, the dusk of Covid-19 is hidden in the sandstorms of optimism. And financial desperation.

GordonJ

edit

I would like to give my opinion, but I am afraid I would be labeled a conspiracy theorist. Not that I am implying you are a conspiracy theorist.

Shame really. because there there are some smart people in this thread that apply "sound logic" and "life experiences" regarding their personal opinion and assessment.

[Kay King]

You cannot protect people from themselves.


I've noticed stores in smaller towns have people wearing masks - when I go to a larger city nearby, only about 15% or so are wearing masks in stores.


Thought it's true the cases have skyrocketed, it's also true the death rate has remained low. I've seen 'TV heads' predicting 'hostpitals at their limits' and then heard medical professionals in those same areas saying 'we still have beds available'. We know we have federal hospital units that can be set up quickly ....and also know they were deployed to several cities and not used in the first 'wave'.


We are not going to clos down again - people won't tolerate it...businesses can't survive it. Such a high number of the 'new cases' are people showing NO symptoms of the virus.


We need protocols that will continue to provide some protections for elderly and others that are high risk - while allowing other people to make their own decisions.


I don't know about other countries - but we've seen in the US that many people are not willing to 'social distance' - to 'always wear a mask'. They either don't believe the warnings, believe they are immune, or just don't care.

[myob]

There are about 140 different coronavirus vaccines under research right now, with at least four will be ready for clinical testing by October.

The feds have already spent over 3 trillion dollars in economic relief, and the cost of medical care, research and development surrounding the coronavirus is also approaching these stratospheric amounts.

But the immediate problem seems to be too few are taking this deadly pandemic seriously, despite repeated warnings by medical professionals that being asymptotic is not a time to let our guards down. Irresponsible behavior is what is driving these rising cases, not some "conspiracy".

As I travel around (as a free-lance writer), there are crowds and traffic in major cities all over the country, with nearly universal disregard for social distancing or wearing protective masks.

As an aside, it is ironic that advancements in technology, science, and similar fields are often driven by war, famine, disease, and other ills that plague mankind. The current war on the coronavirus is no exception.

Emerging technologies and whole new industries are rising like a Phoenix from the ashes of burned out ideas and the crumbling ruins of the old economy.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I've noticed stores in smaller towns have people wearing masks - when I go to a larger city nearby, only about 15% or so are wearing masks in stores.


Thought it's true the cases have skyrocketed, it's also true the death rate has remained low. I've seen 'TV heads' predicting 'hospitals at their limits' and then heard medical professionals in those same areas saying 'we still have beds available'.

The dramatic rise is mostly in big cities in the south. And in younger people. Why? They were being told by officials that the virus is contained. So bars, gyms, parties, and rallies started back up....a hotbed for spreading any virus. And bars, gyms, and parties (including marches and demonstrations) are mostly attended by the young.

The hospitals are predicting a shortage of beds. Most of these shortages haven't come to pass yet.

The infections come in stages. First the testing, then the hospitalizations, then the ICU, and then deaths. So we are just now in the "Hospitalized" step in this surge.

Maybe half the people coming into our store wear masks. We just try to keep a distance.
We wear masks when a customer is in the store.

I heard someone say this morning "A mask is easier than a ventilator." or something like that. I thought it was a smart insight.

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by Kay King

You cannot protect people from themselves.


I've noticed stores in smaller towns have people wearing masks - when I go to a larger city nearby, only about 15% or so are wearing masks in stores.


Thought it's true the cases have skyrocketed, it's also true the death rate has remained low. I've seen 'TV heads' predicting 'hostpitals at their limits' and then heard medical professionals in those same areas saying 'we still have beds available'. We know we have federal hospital units that can be set up quickly ....and also know they were deployed to several cities and not used in the first 'wave'.


We are not going to clos down again - people won't tolerate it...businesses can't survive it. Such a high number of the 'new cases' are people showing NO symptoms of the virus.


We need protocols that will continue to provide some protections for elderly and others that are high risk - while allowing other people to make their own decisions.


I don't know about other countries - but we've seen in the US that many people are not willing to 'social distance' - to 'always wear a mask'. They either don't believe the warnings, believe they are immune, or just don't care.

Care to elaborate my dear friend?

[myob]

At least 15 states are pausing or reversing reopening because of spiraling cases of the virus.

[Kay King]

I don't believe the media or those making the 'plans' have shifted their way of thinking about covid - and I think they are wrong.

Yes, there are MANY new cases - but the majority of them have no symptoms and are not 'sick'. Yes, there are more people hospitalized but far fewer in ICU's and the death rate has NOT increased.

I'm not arguing that covid-19 is under control or that it is not dangerous especially to some age/health groups. However, I do think the closures have gone on too long and the damage being done is worse than the risk of the virus.

At risk population know who they are and how to protect themselves. Those who are not high risk should have the ability to chart their own course - to run their businesses - to SAVE their businesses. Restaurant owners, for example, were gearing up to re-open in several states or had just begun to re-open. It's more than unlocking the doors - it's stocking the kitchens with food you need to use - hiring employees who then made provisions for child care and transportation. Every closure has a cascade effect that further damages the economic well-being of business owners.

The same may not be true of other countries...but, for example, Artizona is in the news for increased covid-19 cases. 6700 new cases yesterday is shocking - but there were only 41 deaths.

Just thinking with my fingers here - if the death rate has dropped - and REMAINS - lower than the death rate for the annual seasonal flu...do we need to shut everything down again?

It's been argued by media that the death rate is lower only due to a 'lag' in tgime....but that argument is in its second week and the death rate has continue to decline. In the US yesterday, only 14 states reported death rates in 2 figures and the highest was 41....the average deaths per state was less than 7. The death 'rate' was 3/4 of one percent.

I think the more people begin to look for themselves at where the 'numbers' are, the more difficult it will be to shut the country down again. I don't know if the covid strain is weakening or if treatments are improving or if herd immunity is taking place....but the balance of numbers is changing while the 'reporting' isn't.


It's been interesting to watch so far - and I'm sure that part won't change.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't believe the media or those making the 'plans' have shifted their way of thinking about covid - and I think they are wrong.

Yes, there are MANY new cases - but the majority of them have no symptoms and are not 'sick'. Yes, there are more people hospitalized but far fewer in ICU's and the death rate has NOT increased.

I'm not arguing that covid-19 is under control or that it is not dangerous especially to some age/health groups. However, I do think the closures have gone on too long and the damage being done is worse than the risk of the virus.

At risk population know who they are and how to protect themselves. Those who are not high risk should have the ability to chart their own course - to run their businesses - to SAVE their businesses. Restaurant owners, for example, were gearing up to re-open in several states or had just begun to re-open. It's more than unlocking the doors - it's stocking the kitchens with food you need to use - hiring employees who then made provisions for child care and transportation. Every closure has a cascade effect that further damages the economic well-being of business owners.

The same may not be true of other countries...but, for example, Artizona is in the news for increased covid-19 cases. 6700 new cases yesterday is shocking - but there were only 41 deaths.

Just thinking with my fingers here - if the death rate has dropped - and REMAINS - lower than the death rate for the annual seasonal flu...do we need to shut everything down again?

It's been argued by media that the death rate is lower only due to a 'lag' in tgime....but that argument is in its second week and the death rate has continue to decline. In the US yesterday, only 14 states reported death rates in 2 figures and the highest was 41....the average deaths per state was less than 7. The death 'rate' was 3/4 of one percent.

I think the more people begin to look for themselves at where the 'numbers' are, the more difficult it will be to shut the country down again. I don't know if the covid strain is weakening or if treatments are improving or if herd immunity is taking place....but the balance of numbers is changing while the 'reporting' isn't.


It's been interesting to watch so far - and I'm sure that part won't change.

The increase in cases you see now are from the holiday.

The deaths you see in the next two to three weeks are from the numbers you see now.

If you don't understand that, I don't know how to explain it any better.
Plus I'm tired of trying to explain stuff, (not to you) its exhausting. I'm over it.
Nowadays, I'm down to just keeping my family as safe as I can. I count myself lucky that I have means, I count myself luckier, because even if I didn't, I'm a salesman...so, I do.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't believe the media or those making the 'plans' have shifted their way of thinking about covid - and I think they are wrong.

The same may not be true of other countries...but, for example, Artizona is in the news for increased covid-19 cases. 6700 new cases yesterday is shocking - but there were only 41 deaths.

Just thinking with my fingers here - if the death rate has dropped - and REMAINS - lower than the death rate for the annual seasonal flu...do we need to shut everything down again?



It's been interesting to watch so far - and I'm sure that part won't change.

well you can back off opening some businesses ..and honestly the number would probably show the in areas where case report go up..foot traffic and use of those businesses would naturally go down ..

in any case it has probably gone past the tipping point and it will hit the ten or tens of million number in a few months

[Kay King]

"postponing the planned re-opening" may sound like it makes sense...but it doesn't. When opening dates are announced, small business owners must stock up for opening, hire/recall their employees For restaurants and bars this means buying food that cannot be stored for weeks, employees making provisions for transportation and child care.


For a small business that barely survived the initial shutdown - spending the money to prepare for re-opening only to be shut down again will be the nail in the coffin for that business. The shutdowns no longer make sense - and eventually people will figure that out.

Those people who are 'at risk' know how to protect themselves - social distancing, staying home, masks, sanitizing hands and surfaces....

[Princess Balestra]

Gotta figure always there be a real big differnce to which we all affected by this in idiosyncratic ways we gotta adapt to ... an' the ideah we bein' singled out an' denied our personal freedoms bcs sumthin' else is gowin' on beyond blind & brute natyoore.

Ain't nowan can't do nuthin' they did before ... an' this affects both dollah, heart an' hope.

Thing is, virus ain't personal.

She takin' the easiest evah path.

Don't care the F what you do or think.

Tellya, I don't care much for masks, speshly when I throw one on aftah dowin' my lips like regulah ... an' then I come home with the color all smooshied ovah my face like sum Stephen King psycho had my cheeks off with a frickin' machete.

*personal gripe*

Dunno, I ain't nevah flopped my lungs outta my body an' seen if they perky as my boobies.

For sure, I don't wanna lose 'em simply for existin'.

I get in a car, I know the risks.

I shoot smack in my veins, I know the risks.

I leap 2000' into a pool of sharks, protected only by manacles shacklin' me like a hooman cannonball, I know the risks.

Hey, but I jus' wanna hang out, do regulah stuff, be here.

Prolly evrywan readin' this does also.

Aliens, we could mebbe fight.

Zaahmbie Apocalypse, we could mebbe avert (speshly if'n we work diligently before hallowe'en).

An' even Godzilla gotta have balls sumplace we can pop with a well-aimed Ninja crossbow.

But when breath of life, touch of life, kiss of life is endangered by natchrl forces seek freedom to be, same as us all ... could be we gotta distinguish between what trooly endures an' what is momentarily ascendant an' glowin' with faux glory.

Missin' my IRL yogah, for sures.

Zoom classes are OK, but they got all the intimacy an' spirityooality of a buncha randomly spasmin' refrigerators checkin' their manuals for where best to chill zucchini.

An' I so hate tryin' to adjust the volume on my laptop with my toes when I tryin' to bend out all exotic with a view to whooshyin' Benedict Cumberbatch off to a desert island when it is safe to pant like you could burst.

Plus also, you know you all properly relaxed an' serene when you let out a fart an' nowan cares.

BUT SUCH ARE THE PERILS OF AN ATMOSPHERE INVADED BY GERMS WHOSE DIKTATS WE MUST ALL GREET AS SLAVES!

All kindsa narratives gowin' on, I guess.

Same as always.

Air to breathe, share to conceive, kinda thing.

[myob]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Those people who are 'at risk' know how to protect themselves - social distancing, staying home, masks, sanitizing hands and surfaces....

Everyone is at risk - because of the increasing irresponsible behavior. In nearly all major cities, we see crowds disregarding nearly all safeguards to prevent spreading infection.

Shutting businesses down again is looking like that's the only way to get people to take this thing seriously. Such "invincible" and "bravado" attitudes are endangering the lives of others.

If businesses don't demand compliance of their customers, they should be shut down.

There are now at least 6 states running out of hospital beds and essential supplies again because of huge surges in the number of new COVID-19 cases.

[Profit Traveler]

What happened to common sense?

I could easily go pull 30 headlines of people that went to party, forced openings and now backtracked, infected, or Dead.

Falling off a cliff for a selfie or if we doing the exact opposite Science suggests equals same ending.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Profit Traveler

What happened to common sense?

I could easily go pull 30 headlines of people that went to party, forced openings and now backtracked, infected, or Dead.

Falling off a cliff for a selfie or if we doing the exact opposite Science suggests equals same ending.

it at 60,000 cases a day will go 100,000 and maybe more 6 week ago or maybe longer i mentioned the people seem to have chose to build crowd immunity over waiting a year or more for a vaccine ..


i have absolutly not part in what people are doing .. but i can observe and understand human nature .. there are many more risks in life than covid

[myob]

Originally Posted by Odahh

there are many more risks in life than covid

No biggie. It's now the leading cause of death in the US.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by myob

No biggie. It's now the leading cause of death in the US.

56,000 new cases a day.

We're #1. Yea.

Originally Posted by Odahh

it at 60,000 cases a day will go 100,000 and maybe more 6 week ago or maybe longer i mentioned the people seem to have chose to build crowd immunity over waiting a year or more for a vaccine ..

They haven't chosen crowd immunity. They have chosen to not wear masks...not social distance.

When people are out without masks, they are doing it because they believe this is over...or it's a hoax, or the numbers are inflated....or that it's about "freedom".

Saying that they have chosen herd immunity is crediting people with insight and intelligence that isn't there.

Originally Posted by Kay King

For a small business that barely survived the initial shutdown - spending the money to prepare for re-opening only to be shut down again will be the nail in the coffin for that business. The shutdowns no longer make sense - and eventually people will figure that out.

Personally, I think every business should be open....with the exception of large public events.

Assuming people will still wear masks, and make an attempt at social distancing.

The problem is that half of the people aren't bright enough to wear a mask, because they have made up reasons that it isn't important. And so this keeps spreading. That's why we have a worsening pandemic here.

In my store, about 30% of the people that come in wear a mask. So that means that 70% are shopping without one. And most of our customers are 55 or older.

I see a pattern here.

[lanfear63]

Given the population is around 330 million in the US and that the death rate is around 4 percent. If everybody was infected, that could mean around 13 million deaths. Except, the 4 percent death rate percentage recorded had a lot of older, and at risk people in it's makeup

Now we had many younger people going out, with the now backtracking, lock-down being relaxed too early. We would expect to see fewer deaths among them despite there being hospitalizations. However, they may infect their parents, grandparents and elder relatives who have escaped it thus far, which maintains the status quo. Expect another spike soon.

America is at a disadvantage. The quality of it's healthcare is good because you pay for it. However, it was never equipped to deal with a pandemic. The freedoms so many citizens hold dear is also a strong factor. A lack of co-ordination and leadership of states to collectively recognize it's seriousness and universally say, "Stay at Home", we mean it, we will enforce it, is also too our detriment.

Other countries which are more unified and have a central government, (some of which, yes, I admit, has a totalitarianism regimen) fare much better in respect to a pandemic.

So, you can clearly see America's shortfalls, it has fragmented and different persuasions of how to govern from state to state. It is a, for the good of the economy mentality that the general system endorses over anything else as its principals. A much higher percentage of people work for themselves compared with other countries. As you can see though, many of them are not set up to go beyond a few weeks in savings and resources.

Even if all small businesses were open, the fear factor of this pandemic will keep most of the punters away, so they will really struggle.

Delivery firms like Amazon, food stores etc of course fare better as they are essential, but with them, given time, supplies and food will wear thin given that far less is being manufactured. For example, go to your food store now, you will already see a reduction of choice.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

They haven't chosen crowd immunity. They have chosen to not wear masks...not social distance.

When people are out without masks, they are doing it because they believe this is over...or it's a hoax, or the numbers are inflated....or that it's about "freedom".

Saying that they have chosen herd immunity is crediting people with insight and intelligence that isn't there.



Personally, I think every business should be open....with the exception of large public events.

Assuming people will still wear masks, and make an attempt at social distancing.


In my store, about 30% of the people that come in wear a mask. So that means that 70% are shopping without one. And most of our customers are 55 or older.

I see a pattern here.

you are right ..the collective choices of the masses are leading to crowd immunity and quite probably over a million death or several million dead..

the economy we had promoted and profited on risky irresponsible behavior ..i am not attributing any type of intelligence to the crowds..it is all he mass conditioning to choose irresponsible behaviors ..

the responsible people have savings account and income they can live on..while the people getting 600 a week extra in their unemployment checks are not paying their rents and going out to party ..

when they end up homeless this winter ..and don't have parent or grandparents to live with because they passed covid on to them and they died

[ChrisBa]

It's just crazy what's happening in the world right now. Well, not just in the world but in our own backyard too.

The great thing is, this is one of the most civilized discussions on the topic I have seen. In many other areas this seems to be dividing us and causing people to lash out at each other.

It's great to see that we can have different ideas, beliefs, etc but still respect each other.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by ChrisBa

It's just crazy what's happening in the world right now. Well, not just in the world but in our own backyard too.

The great thing is, this is one of the most civilized discussions on the topic I have seen. In many other areas this seems to be dividing us and causing people to lash out at each other.

It's great to see that we can have different ideas, beliefs, etc but still respect each other.

just look at it this way this is how Ai really take over ..as far as the thread the mods have had to delete a few posts and manage to keep the thread open ..

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Other countries which are more unified and have a central government, (some of which, yes, I admit, has a totalitarianism regimen) fare much better in respect to a pandemic.

So, you can clearly see America's shortfalls, it has fragmented and different persuasions of how to govern from state to state..

Yup. The US government has let the Governors of each state decide how to deal with this pandemic. The problem is, the virus travels state to state.

One state has a slowing of the virus, and then opens up businesses, and allows gatherings....which allows the virus to get hold again.

We are seeing this virus sweep back and forth across this country, because we are acting as individual states, not a country.

[perryny]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

In my store, about 30% of the people that come in wear a mask. So that means that 70% are shopping without one. And most of our customers are 55 or older.

I see a pattern here.

So why don't you put a sign on the front door that says, "Masks Required for Entry"?

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by perryny

So why don't you put a sign on the front door that says, "Masks Required for Entry"?

My area is incredibly conservative. I'd lose most of my customers....and they wouldn't come back.

But my wife and I wears masks, wash our hands after every customer, and social distance.

So far, we haven't had anyone insist on shaking hands, or hugging.

We do have a sign out front that says that we adhere to social distancing, for our customer's health. that's about as far as I'll go.

[Princess Balestra]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Yup. The US government has let the Governors of each state decide how to deal with this pandemic. The problem is, the virus travels state to state.

One state has a slowing of the virus, and then opens up businesses, and allows gatherings....which allows the virus to get hold again.

We are seeing this virus sweep back and forth across this country, because we are acting as individual states, not a country.

What we seein' ovah an' ovah is how Corona don't care.


An' bcs we seein' this rn from a less ignorant perspective, Planet Oith can mebbe respond to the pandemic by musterin' all the smart intel.


Brazil & Sweden revealed the same concloosions, albeit by diffrent means, for hexample.

[perryny]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

My area is incredibly conservative. I'd lose most of my customers....and they wouldn't come back.

What does being conservative have to do with not wanting to spread a disease?

Don't answer that.

I have a feeling several of those same customers won't be coming back anyway.

[myob]

Originally Posted by perryny

So why don't you put a sign on the front door that says, "Masks Required for Entry"?

Many businesses already have this mandate. Fines are imposed on companies (particularly in California, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Virginia, Washington, etc) who allow customers to enter without masks. Additional states are imposing fines for anyone being in public areas (inside or outside) without a mask.

Laws are getting stricter because the coronavirus doesn't care how stupid people are.

[perryny]

Originally Posted by myob

Many businesses already have this mandate.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm in NYC, where all the stores have this sign up, and just about all the customers abide.

We went from being the global epicenter to having fewer than 500 new cases yesterday - up from 189 a few days ago.

Even if it's not mandated by local government, there is nothing stopping store owners (that I'm aware of) from prohibiting access to their business if masks aren't worn. Except of course the backlash from the anti-mask customers.

I say eff em. I know. Easy for me to say. It ain't my business we're talking about.

[myob]

Originally Posted by perryny

Even if it's not mandated by local government, there is nothing stopping store owners (that I'm aware of) from prohibiting access to their business if masks aren't worn.

State and municipal governments are increasingly requiring (not optional) that masks be worn in public areas, due to daily record-breaking new cases and rising rates of positivity in testing. Businesses are being fined or shut down for non-compliance as well as arrests of individuals in affected areas. Irresponsible behavior is at pandemic levels.

[perryny]

Originally Posted by myob

State and municipal governments are increasingly requiring (not optional) that masks be worn in public areas, due to daily record-breaking new cases and rising rates of positivity in testing.

Yay?




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[myob]

Originally Posted by perryny

Yay?

Sadly, this is becoming typical.

Fines for not wearing masks and arrests for businesses that break rules

[perryny]

Originally Posted by myob

Sadly, this is becoming typical.

Fines for not wearing masks and arrests for businesses that break rules

Wait... it's sad that states are finally mandating mask wearing?