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Certainly if the moon landing speech, wasn't carried out, it would have been a mess, but actions where associated with the words, and the carrot was grasped by the US instead of Russia. Words carry a lot of weight, but not unless it is implemented. | |
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Well, Boys and Girls... In the US...as of today... 302,000 people have died from Covid so far this year. 2,435 people have died daily now from Covid (7 day averaging). Most deaths per day ever. A few hundred more per day than the previous high in April. 110,549 are currently in the hospital with Covid. Almost twice the previous high in April or May. And 219,293 new cases in the US a day now (7 day running average) Slightly more than three times the high in mid July. And of course, as it has been for several weeks now...the #1 cause of death in the US. So there is that. Here's a link to get all the daily numbers from the CDC. https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths |
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Greatest most powerful country in the world with the most resources.....this is a true failure. Should be accountability. (edit by mod) | |
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Much of the country won't wear a mask no matter what. Only a third of country, when surveyed, said that they would take the vaccine as soon as possible. In a different survey, about 70% said they would probably get the vaccine. 15% said that they would definitely not get the vaccine. Another survey had 27% say they would probably not get the vaccine. Here's the survey (one of many). https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/15/healt...tor/index.html A different survey asking about how many will get the vaccine. https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/most-a...accine-survey/ | |
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Well obviously that is a question that has an answer that can not be posted. But I base it on common sense and facts. | |
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70 percent of viral transmission is tracked to the home les than 2 percent is tracked to restaurants and fitness club..but we shut down businesses and tell people to stay home because home is more safe .. | |
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Take two different locations (countries) where the common core math is used and taught in the education system, in this context between the U.S. and the P.I. wherein 1 +1 = 2. That alone is the finate common denominator which does matter. Expound on the two countries other attributes and we have infinite common denominators with infinite attributes, i.e. similar attributes. Therefore, it stands to reason that the education level of the people in the U.S. and the P.I. share similar attributes that will differ and matter outside of the common denominators. In this context what really matters is the education of the masses of both the U.S. and the P.I. when it come to COVID. I may be wrong but if you think that core math is the common sense analogy to educating the masses about COVID you would be wrong. | |
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When a USA astronaut travels to Mars do you attribute the Martian denominators. Are you serious. If I paid for training from an internet webinar and became great at facebook ads what the hell does where I watched the training or webinar make a difference. I know the types that try to package everyone. | |
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It would not matter if a family dog died. What an insane point. Covid has been found in Babies, fish, pets, old young, could be you and me. Some people sure do have peculiar priorities what to beach about. | |
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Well I forecasted the Tsunami we have now months ago and now I can happily forecast things are about to improve exponentially. In 2021. I seriously need to now transfer the passion on this topic to wealth building. (we do not have a crying laughing emoji!) | |
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Just did a quick search for both and it's over my head. In this instance. When I am eating I like to go to something like God of War all the action cut-scenes of every release but if I was to actually play the game there are so many built in puzzles, traps, I rather skip. I guess Internet marketing is also like that. Some puzzles and traps can be avoided but some have to be experienced and figured out. | |
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Extracting those 3 variables you an then apply face covering as a variable. No mask, you opportunity with getting the virus is 100%. YOU wearing a mask, and no one else is a 70 to 80% opportunity. EVERYONE around you wearing a mask plus yourself, and there is a 20% opportunity. But you have to understand in order for the home to be the greatest point of spread, it has to be brought from outside of the house, in. "Tracking" is asking someone that has been infected where they have been and who they were with. We are talking human nature here and the list of places and people is going to be well short of reality. I have but less than a handful of time seen locally where it was said if you were in such and such facility between these days or these hours you may have been exposed. Throw in the variable of A-symptomatic into this, and other than really avoiding the first 3 variables on your own ( Enclosed, Close, and 15 minutes ) the likely hood of placing yourself into the possibility of being around someone with Covid is really an unknown variable. We "Know" who has it, but have not a clue as to who is carrying it. Here is a question to ask... I cant find an answer to this.. but if one becomes infected, and is A-symptomatic, how long do they carry it? Again we know who has it, generally 5 to 7 days after being in contact you start to show symptoms. That is still 5 to 7 days you have the ability to pass the infection. This is why generally families get it all at once. Dad comes home from where ever, and its movie night with the wife and kids all snuggled up on the couch and there it is 4 sick people... But where was dad? Who did dad get get it from? I cant say I agree with closing places down, but I have to question why would people go? I have not eaten out as in actually in a restaurant in the last 9 months. We have facilities where I live with 100+ seats and there is a line out the door. ( and NO, they do not space seating ) and yet not a one of these facilities have been identified as a "Hot Spot". It defies any amount of logic. Then enter the vaccine... Kids I am going to go with the Google rule here it needs to be 80% of participation or better or not at all... and they are discussing the first round of vaccines is 100,000 doses - there is 330 million people in the United States. AND even on the vaccine, you can be A-symptomatic? uh why bother? But more importantly who exactly would I have to blow in order to get one? | |
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Which only puts more gasoline on the fire, or it will probably initiate being fired from your job, and gov, payment reductions in the near future, or No Jab, No Pay. And Sweden is shaking their heads in disbelief. And Musk isn't taking it and is moving to Texas, and is quoted as saying, a DNA strand, they could put anything in there", but ignore him, he is an idiot! | |||
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Here is one example. Head of White House security office has his right foot amputated because of severe COVID-19 and is facing 'staggering medical bills,' new report says Can you afford a staggering medical bill? ...And imagine being called stumpy for the rest of your life.
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Some of them potentially pretty ugly, so every person who gets jabbed accepts full responsibility, (Pfizer is not legally bound). Can l afford a staggering medical bill, lets, see, zero cases in my state for the last 40 days, and one possible death. Since it is summer and this virus, (like all respiratory viruses) wanes in hot weather. Or l have one chance in 6 million at present rates of catching it, and as for my observations, let's just say, the flu is a lot worse than this is, so l don't really care. Mass Media can crap on all they like and most will have mild to no symptions. And some in high risk groups, will be hammered and die from this. Virus's spread the world throughout history and people die, that is a fact of life, but this is being used to push other junk concepts, that will reach a head in a few months time, to impose misery indefinitely will fail, (saw a very good video, recently, describing this, but it is mixed in with a cult religion, so l cannot post it here). | |
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Shane, I like you, I always have, and one of the reasons that I like you, is because you have such an interesting way of thinking and no shame for what you think. (In-case your unsure...that's a compliment.) However, I do think some of the stuff you say is just silly... Socially distancing so that you aren't spreading the disease if you're asymptomatic isn't a junk concept. Keeping your tender aged children away from your parents and grandparents isn't a junk concept. Covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze isn't a junk concept. BTW: Did you know that the Egyptians created a muslin/ cheesecloth type of face-covering to stop "the God's bad breath/ bad air " (or something along those lines) Did you know that the 14th-century bubonic plague that killed about 50 million people was stopped in Europe by social distancing, masks, and burning ALL possessions and property, including buildings of infected people. Seriously, 14th-century citizens the world over understood "bad air" and used masks. Edit: Just their version of doctors used them, not everyday citizens. | |
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My point was, no foot might be worse than death for that guy. Personally, compared to death, I'd consider a lost foot lucky. | |
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Different organizations tabulate their results at different times of the day. And they receive their information at different times. For example, if you watch the news at 11PM, you'll usually see a higher number of cases/deaths than you would at the 6PM news. Why? New figures added later in the day, from additional sources. It all evens out. I know I just added a talking point for a few here ("The CDC and WHO can't even get their numbers straight. It must all be a lie")...and for that, I apologize.
But it's never just one person. Good or bad. It's interesting to me that equally intelligent people can hold a completely different view of reality. And everyone....everyone thinks that they are basing their world view on "common sense and facts". On the other hand, there actually exist facts. But the majority of what's offered (I don't mean you personally) as fact, isn't at all. There I am again, explaining something that isn't requested. But I've been a good boy, so I think I deserve a treat. | ||
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Social distancing or keeping 1.5 metres away with stickers all over the floor is going overboard. Using common sense and avoiding especially the elderly when sick, or keeping whatever practical distance is right. Just like the flu, or don't go out unless it is necessary and avoid high risk people.
Masks did nothing during the Spanish Flu, (outside of hospitals) and also led to a dramatic increase in Respiratory Pneumonia. Because most do not replace their masks regularly, (as they do in hospitals) and breathe in viruses, bacteria and so forth. This can be mild to ending up in hospital with a tube down your throat, but either way if you wear one and are starting to cough regularly, then seek further advise.... | |||||
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why did we not build facilities to treat covid patients at far less cost than icu beds ..i wonder do the high medicle care cost of covid patients get added to the gpd .. as consumer spending .. although the "vaccines " will lead to the end of the lockdown. The virus will still be out there and will probably continually cause hundreds of deaths a day. Permanently ..but not panic level. so instead of the consequences of obesity and diabeties .leading to decaying health over a few decades. Or a sudden heart attack ..there is now this thing out there ..called covid.. | |
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It's about the children and their well-being, now and in the future. Nobody can say what this disease (including mild and no symptoms) will do long-term to adults, much less developing bodies and brains...And we already have data that suggests that most will have long term health repercussions. That, my friend, is what it's about. Also, IMHO that applies to the vaccination since it doesn't keep you from getting the disease. We don't know what we don't know. What happens if we find out in ten or fifteen years that the majority of children who became infected but not ill turn into mental patients or murderers? Or maybe it just creates some kinda mental health deferment or other hidden physical time bombs. One parting shot for you to chew on, it took 50 years of the most current advanced medical, blah blah to get to understand and control AIDS. Fifty years. Covid has been here for one year and, the shot we are handing out doesn't stop you from getting infected, it keeps you from getting sever disease and dying. | |
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What you are describing is basically the plot to a science fiction movie. And most folks look back around the AIDS fear mongering as being a good example of ... Fear mongering and lots of bad science. Some of Dr. Fauci's biggest criticisms are around AIDS. I was 12 when my school did an AIDS week. It was all we learned about for an entire week. And we all thought we were gonna get AIDS. It didn't happen. And "oopsie" pregnancies went up in my generation. It didn't stop us from having unprotected sex. STD's went up in my generation too. My generation put friends with benefits on steroids. Promiscuity became more and more mainstream. And DARE fear mongered us about drugs. And drug use went up in my generation. That too became more and more mainstream.
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Excellent post, bryan. No matter how fearful or distrusting we are - the only way to get through this pandemic is to go through it. We can't opt out or go around - we have to live our way through it as best we can. Your children are learning by watching how their parents navigate through this crisis. What you do or say now may be what they will model as adults when they run into obstacles they can't avoid. edit: for parents: Quarantine drinking game: Take a drink every time you hear "MOM!" or "DAD!" - just kidding, don't do that. You will die. |
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As far as the rest of what you say. I agree, mostly. But, to clarify this one thought of yours. "I was 12 when my school did an AIDS week. It was all we learned about for an entire week." ...and you and your friends didn't get aids, right? Why is it you see that as a scare tactic instead of, look how well education works? Side note: Do you really think that your generation had more nookie than the rest? At any age? Friends with benefits on steroids? lol... Chastity belts were invented for a reason. Now that's hubris. Edit a minute later: It has been in the papers and on TV, that asymptomatic carriers, who have shown no outward sign of the disease are now having heart and mental health problems. That's documented. So, what exactly is your point. To clarify my point, it's prudent to keep your kids away from covid because we don't know what we don't know. Specifically speaking, unknown future medical issues, and you want to hit me with quips?... And you get told it's an excellent post. What a crazy world we live in. | |
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If that worked -- we'd expect STD, STI and teen and unplanned pregnancy to drop because the same "protection" against AIDS would also be protection against those things. Condoms and/or abstinence. And there was no drop. It didn't have a measurable effect on behavior. If anything, several of those metrics went up. Fear mongering isn't why I don't have AIDS. Also Chastity belts aren't really a thing -- https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...yth-180956341/ | |
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well, now that you mention it. A woman that came to the US from the Philippines, came into my store just now. She had to go back a month ago to visit her dying mother (not from Covid). And just got back to the US. She was telling me that in the Philippines, everyone wore masks or got fined. If they continued not wearing a mask, they would get arrested. She said that stores are open, but you get your temperature checked when you enter any building (that light they scan you with). I just looked up their population and the deaths over there. 109 million people and 8,833 total deaths as of today from Covid. (WHO totals) That's a lot of people packed in a small area. More population than I thought. Anyway, it's a comparison. I never would have thought of it until that woman came into my store today. |
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With Covid, most will have a mild fever, tiredness, and nausia, for up to two weeks, children likewise, with no long term affects at all. I don't know where you get your information from or propaganda. Compare that with a nasty flu, (which can be a variant from the Spanish Flu) and will produce two weeks of fever, tiredness, runny nose, coughs and nausia. Or effectively hammer children and people far more than Covid. Covid is new, so it hammers on mass, not over a year. So why aren't we living in bubbles and going crazy over Spanish Flu, #2, because a society cannot function, and it is something we have to accept.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmbv...erations-later Here is a safe drug from the 40's! And another from the 50's. https://theconversation.com/why-did-...eir-drug-47092
Some companies are destined to make massive profits from this, so could safety override the Doctors oath, of course, human nature does not change, only technology does. As the rest of the article says, don't test it on certain groups then later say it is safe for everyone. Some want to have blind faith in the medical body, and get it, and once it is in your body that is it. If l was a parent, l wouldn't blindly inject them with this Pfizer vaccine, since children under the age of 16, cannot spread it in a reactive way between themselves, and spreading it to others is very small, which means keep them away from anyone elderly, when reactive. So the rate of reactive infection between 0-16, is very little, with little to no long term side affects, (since most of them do not get sick). But jab them with this stuff, odd's on they will be part of the tally for the next update to the above website. | |||||
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Throw in a variable such as this: ( cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/filipino-nurse-deaths/index.html ) that removes the notion that Filipinos are some how less susceptible.. you are left with the question how exactly are they staying open, moving freely, and the overall sickness and death rate is so low. The clear and obvious answer is mask wearing... I don't think there is another plausible answer to be honest. All of my Filipino friends even wear their masks in their house ( that tends to be multi generational ) with the exception of when they are sleeping. ( And this being a side note the "friends" that I speak of live in the States ) You can spit out this study says this and that study says that... but by enlarge Asian countries in particular can be used as testaments to the practice of wearing a mask, and the mathematical results of it. Another interesting case that I have read a few times mentions the lower case count amongst Islamic Females. They wear face coverings - think about that one for a moment. I would say in most Western countries the idea of a mandate on mask wearing simply will not fly - nor do I personally think they should be imposed. It becomes a matter of choice, do you want to hang out with the bad kids or the good ones? I personally do not see mask wearing or not wearing a mask as a right or privilege, it is a point of respect, #1 for yourself, and #2 for those around you. This time has been a GREAT opportunity to see deep into a persons character - on such an openly exposed deep level... but the simple act of wearing a mask says a lot. | |
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Cayman Islands just sentenced an 18 yr old American and her boyfriend to four months in jail for violating the required 14 day quarantine. THAT is how you keep the numbers low, i guess. Those in quarantine are required to wear a monitor bracelet - she complained her bracelet was 'too tight' and was able to get a looser one and then take it off to go watch boyfriends in a sports competition. Initially she was to be heavily fined and sent home but a court intervened and sentenced the two violators to jail instead. I doubt they'll get much sympathy for deliberately violating the laws in the Caymans.... EDIT - interesting site to estimate when YOU might be offered the vaccine...don't know how accurate it is but in my state says there are over 2 million people in front of me in the vaccination line and 4 million in my 'middle' group.... Seems to give results for all states...here's the link https://abc7.com/how-will-i-know-whe...fects/8821951/ |
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Find out how many people may get a COVID-19 vaccine before you over 2 million people in front of me in the vaccination line and 4 million in my 'middle' group | |
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Ya think maybe everyone gets the same 'result'??? |
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There are an estimated 8,661,068 people in the Phase 2 group. Locally, in Volusia, Florida, There are an estimated 99,949 people in front of you to get the vaccine, and 241,164 people in your group. | |
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18th Dec 2020, 08:38 AM | #2143 |
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What I noted is that 'teachers' are listed above many other groups - even groups that are high risk. Guess those teachers' unions are still going strong.... |
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I know where I live, our kids that goto school ( mine doesn't ) only are going 2 days a week and the rest is remote learning. the last 2 weeks has been 100% remote learning due to shortages of teachers - due to either Covid or having been in contact with Covid. The vaccine for better or for worse in this scenario removes the effect of the virus from the teacher population, basically removing the teacher element of the equation. If you start digging for CDC guidelines on when a school should shut down.. the suggestion is 5% of the schools population testing positive. in a 400 kid school that's 20 kids would have to be infected before they shut down. I know for me locally it is far less than that number at this point. In terms of moving forward... Hospital workers, first responders, those in retirement homes, and then teachers is the way i see it. | |
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Just returned from taking a covid test - very efficient setup at CVS. You do your own test - they walk you through it - then you seal it and drop it in the box....took about 3-4 minutes total. Much better system than what i've seen on TV with people in long lines where someone else is doing the testing ON the person in the car. |
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This isn't good "CDC warns of a 'substantial increase' in fatal drug overdoses coinciding with the Covid-19 pandemic " From CNN: The US has seen a substantial increase in fatal drug overdoses and set a record for deaths from overdoses in the year that ended in May, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday. The worst of the deaths coincide with closures and other measures taken to control the pandemic, the CDC said in a health alert. Data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) indicates that approximately 81,230 drug overdose deaths occurred in the US in that period.” The full story can be read - https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/us/cd...ise/index.html |
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A sad reminder of our drug problem. But it's also a real number that illustrates that the argument that the increase in drug deaths is more than the increase in deaths due to Covid...isn't remotely true. | |
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Blog Entries: 1 | British officials identify coronavirus mutations, but significance remains unclear The Washington Post Dec. 15, 2020 at 6:49 p.m. CST We have talked a little about mutations and "what if" scenarios. I guess we are about to find out. Excerpts: Loman said there was no proof yet that this variant is spreading faster. At this point, it could just be chance. Nor is there any sign the variant causes more severe illness or is capable of evading a vaccine. But, he cautioned, it is worth watching closely and that scientists were bringing the variant into the laboratory to study whether it entered cells more easily. |
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Gotta wondah what I would do if I were Li'l Miss Virus. For sure, if I could spread musself around fastah, reach more people, that would be advantageous. Plus also, if'n I killed fewer of 'em, then we talkin' party time. Such a shame copywritah smarts don't extend to killah JOIMS. They gonna ruin it for 'emselves by gettin' too dangerous. |
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