[Kay King]

Follow the science claims are almost laughable.


This weekend some major cities are re-opening bars and restaurants,etc for indoor dining....even some areas that are listed as 'red' zone on covid map - some in states that are in the 'top 10' in the number of new cases and deaths daily.

chicago
washington, D.C.
baltimore
detroit
new york (cuomo comments seem to indicate it's the next to open)

No, their numbers are not down - but all of a sudden, it's 'safe to open'...you can't make this stuff up but I'm happy for those going back to work.

[savidge4]

Originally Posted by Kay King

No, their numbers are not down - but all of a sudden, it's 'safe to open'...you can't make this stuff up but I'm happy for those going back to work.

Not to sound like a debby downer... but that is the science - get people out of their homes - back to work and back to school. When you look at the demographics of the communities that are struggling the most, there is a tendency for multi generational cohabitation and a lot of room sharing. 6 - 8 - 10 people in a "home" is basically a mini super spreader waiting to happen.

We got played by politics... I know we are not supposed to discuss this but it was called months and months ago as soon as Biden takes office things would open up.

This whole thread is at its core about Politics over the People, and it ( not the thread but the actual events ) has been really hard to see play out. None of it really makes any sense.

There are parts as time goes on, you can better understand. In the beginning Fauci said Nah, you dont need a mask... the reality was there were no masks and they didn't want to create a panic.. and from that it has been a struggle to get things to where they need to be. It is amazing to watch - but you said 6 months ago blah blah blah... well kids stuff changes.. go with the flow and deal with it LOL

There is still a lot about Covid they dont understand, and I am not so sure they want to know - and at the very least it is very clear they dont want us to know. Its sad to think our "lives" are left in the hands of power grabbing simpletons looking to make dollars... because that is what we have.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Kay King

No, their numbers are not down - but all of a sudden, it's 'safe to open'...you can't make this stuff up but I'm happy for those going back to work.

the numbers that are down are the tax revenues ..it is a whole different thing .. when the cities and state need money ..

[Kay King]

Except they've 'needed money' now for months.... I've watched and listened to Fauci for months as we all have, I'm sure.


What i see is an 'expert' that has become enamored of his 'position' - the reins have been loosened on him and he's making the rounds of the talking head shows. He's talking politics and conjecturing...Fauci's rep was earned long ago when he worked on the AIDS crisis. Maybe he should be reminded that he didn't find a cure....


It's not surprising an expert would be carried away with publicity...but I'm saddened to see 'the medical expert' becoming openly political. That won't help stop the pandemic.

[socialentry]

Originally Posted by Kay King

It's not surprising an expert would be carried away with publicity...but I'm saddened to see 'the medical expert' becoming openly political. That won't help stop the pandemic.

Is there a single doctor or public health official which you refer to as expert instead of "expert"?

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Except they've 'needed money' now for months.... I've watched and listened to Fauci for months as we all have, I'm sure.


What i see is an 'expert' that has become enamored of his 'position' - the reins have been loosened on him and he's making the rounds of the talking head shows. He's talking politics and conjecturing...Fauci's rep was earned long ago when he worked on the AIDS crisis. Maybe he should be reminded that he didn't find a cure....


It's not surprising an expert would be carried away with publicity...but I'm saddened to see 'the medical expert' becoming openly political. That won't help stop the pandemic.

AIDS had no vaccine or a cure, but the mortality rate was controlled by prescribing various drugs so it could keep it at bay and people could lead long and relatively normal lives, also the wearing of a mask equivalent was wearing a condom, just about 100 percent effective in comparison.

Covid has a much better chance of a cure, did you read that article Ken linked too a little way back on that cholesterol reducer, a common drug which apparently prevents the lung thing which is the killer. Hope that is successful in trials and adopted.

If something like that comes into use then you might see a reduction of people seeking to get a vaccine because it is no longer a killer. People would see it as just another virus that can be treated.

[socialentry]

Is this thread a good representation of main street America?

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by socialentry

Is this thread a good representation of main street America?

no because there is probably no main street America .. after 2008 mainstree people on both side where upset about the 700 billion dollar bank bailout ..

from about october 2019 to now .. about 6 trillion has been pumped into the banks and wall street .. ad at the point .main street is wondering where their bail out is .. cut the a check every month .. and most of main street will be ok with almost anything ..


the lockdown destroyed the economy and force a lot of families to move multiple generations in together .. so grand ma granpa had they own house their children had their own place to live and the grand kids may have been old enough to have their own house .. now tens of milions of kids and grand kids had to move back in with grandma and grandpa ..

so the economy destruction of main street set up the best environment for this virus to spread ..

[DWolfe]

Originally Posted by socialentry

Is this thread a good representation of main street America?

Originally Posted by Odahh

..

the lockdown destroyed the economy and force a lot of families to move multiple generations in together .. so grand ma granpa had they own house their children had their own place to live and the grand kids may have been old enough to have their own house .. now tens of milions of kids and grand kids had to move back in with grandma and grandpa .

Do you have any proof to back that statement up or is that your opinion ?

No this thread is not a good representation of mains street. You have a few people from the US posting in this thread. Most with their own beliefs and opinions. You would need a huge sampling of people to get a idea about the US.

[Princess Balestra]

main stream americhah
pulse of the world

prolly plenty people wanna swim out THUSLY rn ...
but, hey ... it ain't happnin'

so what we all do when nooveau normal swings its cutesy 'round?
settled snuggly into the proto-post-covo epoch?

For Moi, there be way too many people swingin' thuh fists around with zero ansahs beyond FFS it is instinct yuh frickin' clown.

Natchrly, we all gonna ride outta this mercilessly breath-snuffin' cloud with prior principles an' dreams as undiminished by catalytic circumstance as mortality's eternally disfigurin' narrative permits our voices to yawlp ...

(*Copywriter Forum ahoy*)

but ain't it 'bout time we figured evrywanherestream wherevah?

Jus' askin' for friends ain't here rn who I can't touch on close.

Surely, in the absence of all hooman freedoms, we should wanna quit smackin' usselves in the frickin' chaahps.

Like Gandhi said, "aerial bombardment from afar passes for zilch compared to the touch of soft lemur fur against your soulful abdominals — and I should know because the poverty of my early days now informs my love of luxury swimwear in ways I could never have imagined were it not for those exotically fluffy critters."

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by socialentry

Is this thread a good representation of main street America?

I don't think so. Here, we have a more literate slice of humanity.

But the majority of the US leans heavily left or right, and it shows in the responses.

But the population as a whole?

80% of the nonfiction books are sold to 3% of the population in the US. That can give us a hint of the cross section of the US.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by DWolfe

Do you have any proof to back that statement up or is that your opinion ?
.

what do i need to prove .. that larger household or multi generational houses .. provide the environment where the greatest transmission happens ..

or that multi generational house have not rapidly increased because of the lockdowns ..

so do you think many generation of families .. have not had to move in together because of the lockdown and the economic impact .. at a much higher rate than before the lockdowns

i am directly addressing a challenge so .. if this get deleted the quote i am responding to should get deleted ..

[DWolfe]

Originally Posted by Odahh

that multi generational house have not rapidly increased because of the lockdowns ..

so do you think many generation of families .. have not had to move in together because of the lockdown and the economic impact .. at a much higher rate than before the lockdowns

i am directly addressing a challenge so.

This part about generations getting back together. Does not represent all of main street of America. Their have been multi generational house and a increase in them for a long time.

A lot of millennials spend a long time before moving out their parents home. Maybe in some parts of the country theirs a up tick in more multi generational homes due to job loss. But that does not represent main street America.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by DWolfe

This part about generations getting back together. Does not represent all of main street of America. Their have been multi generational house and a increase in them for a long time.

A lot of millennial spend a long time before moving out their parents home. Maybe in some parts of the country theirs a up tick in more multi generational homes due to job loss. But that does not represent main street America.

ok maybe it is another case in which the pandemic crushed many years of trends that was already happening into one year .. but with the reading i did do ..it is bringing the number of multigenerational houses in line with much of the world ..

i am finding it harder to pick out anything like a main street America ..that isn't more like the situation of a growing number of people around the world .. so do we go to main street china or the the hundreds of millions of Chinese that now have lifestyle comparable to middle class or affluent Americans ..

and India has a growing number that may quickly surpasses the number in the US if it has not already ..

while the people who where in main street america are upset they are being left behind and seeing higher prices for everything while having stagnant wages ..an fewer and fewer opportunities...


wow ..back to the virus and the caccines.. i think a month ago i stated i have no expectation to get the vaccine before march .. and i think by then one of the vaccines available will be a single shot ..

[savidge4]

This video dates back to April 2020. Explains a lot of things very well.. and gives insight into what we are experiencing now.

I am a firm believer in science. I have BA in electronic Engineering from a better than decent school here in the States. Watching this video reminds me that science also has to look at the effect of the effect ( and this will make sense if you watch the video to the end )

Considering this video was made 9 going on 10 months ago... it conveys a very chilling scientific message - that simply was dismissed / not considered at the time... the WORLD as a whole went all in with Plan A, and Plan B is no where to be seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKY4Oz9IXQ

[savidge4]

So what exactly is "Main Street America"?

Wikipedia states: "Main Street is a metonym used to denote a primary retail street of a village, town or small city in many parts of the world. It is usually a focal point for shops and retailers in the central business district, and is most often used in reference to retailing and socializing."

Those of us living in the States are going to understand that by this definition "Main Street America" is beyond the point of decay, and in more than many cases a forgotten ideal of the past, and NOT a true representation of America today.

and yet this term ( "Main Street America" ) is used as a talking point today. In the last 40 years or so, the dynamic of this Great Country I call home, has changed. Malls replaced Main Street long ago. The extreme of "Urban" and "Rural" is far less extreme. "Urban Sprawl" is a term that comes to mind...

Take a moment and look at who and where the term is used.. and again not trying to bring politics into this but look at a map of the most recent election and blue very clearly represents "Urban" and red very clearly represents "Rural"

"Main Street America" as I understand it, is no longer a good representation of what Americans thinks - Its skewed. If you really start looking at the issues that face Americans today, We can see densely populated regions of this country is where there is the most struggle. Cost of living is high, Real estate is through the roof, homelessness is greater, unemployment is greater, poverty is greater.

The triumphs and struggles of Americans can no longer be measured by a single snapshot. The social and economic HUB "Main Street America" was shattered long ago, and replaced with urban sprawl and the internet. The triumphs and struggles of Des Moines Iowa and Los Angeles California are no where near the same. The triumphs and struggles of Bridgeport West Virginia and New York City - there is simply no comparison. The triumphs and struggles of Boise Idaho and Miami Florida... are simply worlds apart.

BUT, if you look at Des Moines, Bridgeport and Boise, you will all of the sudden see some similarities... the same with LA, NYC, and Miami.

We have progressed into a country divided - Socially, and Economically. Cultural diversity in this country has increased, or might I say become more balanced.

And then we have look at what happens when you apply this divide to something like a Pandemic... Everything in my community for the most part has been wide open for months and months. Schools are open, Stores are open, Restaurants are open, Bars are open - everything is the "New" normal, and we wear masks ( most of us ) This is not the case in many parts of this country.

"One nation under God..." and we are divided as f*** and it comes right down to the ruling political party of the State you live in. Same science, different interpretations... we might as well be talking about religion right now. I believe I have said it once in this thread, its all about Politics before People. Watch the video above the "Science" better than suggests that "Politics" may have messed this one up - and its the People that will pay the price.

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by Odahh

no because there is probably no main street America .. after 2008 mainstree people on both side where upset about the 700 billion dollar bank bailout ..

from about october 2019 to now .. about 6 trillion has been pumped into the banks and wall street .. ad at the point .main street is wondering where their bail out is .. cut the a check every month .. and most of main street will be ok with almost anything ..


the lockdown destroyed the economy and force a lot of families to move multiple generations in together .. so grand ma granpa had they own house their children had their own place to live and the grand kids may have been old enough to have their own house .. now tens of milions of kids and grand kids had to move back in with grandma and grandpa ..

so the economy destruction of main street set up the best environment for this virus to spread ..

Not the lockdown.....the mismanagement of the crisis.


If there was a strict regime in place right at the beginning the lock-down would not have had to be re-opened then backtracked. Not to mention intentional super spreading.

Somehow more billionaires made and more money made by billionaires.

Here is a funny article printed recently.... "Okahoma trying to get a 2 Million Dollar refund on it's stockpile of Hydrozycloroquine."

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Profit Traveler

Not the lockdown.....the mismanagement of the crisis.


If there was a strict regime in place right at the beginning the lock-down would not have had to be re-opened then backtracked. Not to mention intentional super spreading.

Somehow more billionaires made and more money made by billionaires.

Here is a funny article printed recently.... "Okahoma trying to get a 2 Million Dollar refund on it's stockpile of Hydrozycloroquine."

Mismanagement implies accident.

Lies and purposeful misdirection to the people are never an accident.



Edit:
My quarantine was over yesterday. It's my 4th one in as many months.

Once again, it appears as if masks work. Considering we (my son and I ) were in a 4'x4' non ventilated room with an infected non-mask wearer for 20 min give or take.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by savidge4

. Watch the video above the "Science" better than suggests that "Politics" may have messed this one up - and its the People that will pay the price.

I will watch the video because I read and watch almost everything posted in this thread.

But, I don't need it to know that the statement bolded is correct.

I don't think anyone reading this thread believes anything different, even if they say so.

The next pandemic isn't going to take another 100 years, it will probably happen again in our lifetime and, the science shows, maybe more than once.

We need to prepare.

Instead, we have an all out power grab.

[Claude Whitacre]

This video was well worth watching. It explains the differences and similarities between this virus and a cold or flu. And how it attacks the lower lungs. Thanks for posting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKY4Oz9IXQ&featur...

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Odahh

we might have far different views about some things .. ..

Check your PM

[Princess Balestra]

In the worst evah horror movies, eithah the lamest ducks're selected out — or impossible oblivion is inflicted at random upon even the smartest, strongest & prolly fullashittest.

Same goes for most award ceremonies.

Life goes on, as evah, I guess.

For Covid, hoomans an' hamstahs alike.

rn it ain't no life or death contest between the 3 groops bcs the hamstahs dowin' OK.

But what if fate decreed ...

what if a Wandavision spinoff cosmos questioned why a Marvel universe Thor should wield a hammah steada a spear ...

what if easy piercin' (albeit metaphorical in the first instance), disembowelin', mutilatin' — an' MASS DE-POUCHIN' — of hamstahs suddenly became Fluffy Rodent Reality Central?

Hey for sure you would want them cutesy fkrs to band togehtah an' protect 'emselves.

Prahblem is: they STOOPID.

That is why I wondah how anywan myootyooly threatened by alla this viralismo be crackin' off 'bout their own perticklr freedoms.

When evrywan saved, we fixin' this later.

[lanfear63]

If you look at this virus in the cold light of day you can say, without a vaccine it "could" kill up to 4 percent of the population and that "could" be ongoing if it mutates all the time. This is a what if without having a treatment or vaccine. So, it would not wipe out the human race. The reason, we continue propagate the species, new births.

As far as a country by country ratio is concerned, the death rate will vary depending on population density and the precautions each country takes. For example, living in splendid isolation as much as possible would help, taking it seriously and masking up will help etc.

I have been looking into the world wide births and fertility rate, they are declining . Now, as to the fertility rate, a number of factors can be attributed to it. One is eating a good diet, we are increasingly consuming processed foods, fast foods and not eating as well in terms of fresh foods. Not taking enough exercise, taking drugs that interfere with our natural bodily functions etc, etc.

Another factor is social interactions and attitudes. In Japan, not so many couples having children, preferring to work on their careers and the children that are produced are growing up dysfunctional and spending more time on virtual social interactions and not developing real social skills. Shying away from real relationships, this is especially prevalent in young men. So, Japan has an aging population.

In America, and other countries, women are doing really well and the average graduation from college ratio is now 60/40 in favor of women. It is not even 50/50. So women's expectations of what they seek in men is higher, they still have the instinct to want too seek out a strong alpha male who is the provider. It is a conflict of attitudes, instincts and reality that equal rights finally coming to fruition have produced. The type of men they are seeking are becoming less and less.

In the UK a law is being considered that if a man asks a women out and she says "NO" once, then if he persists, then the woman can file for harassment. Perhaps even if he asks just one more time. This law would not work the other way?

This is not meant to be sexist in any way, simply factual. Men are being frightened off perusing relationships and end up going without and preferring to do their own thing or being non committal because they don't want the hassle. Just a few examples there. There are some social factors and attitudes affecting the birth rate.

, Covid or no Covid.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

If you look at this virus in the cold light of day you can say, without a vaccine it "could" kill up to 4 percent of the population

Where did you get 4%?

Are you basing it on the percentage of people who contact the virus and die?

If you are, then the percentage is lower. Maybe one and a half percent of the total population. At least, somewhere between one and two percent.

There are now several mutations. All are more transmissible than before. And at least one is more deadly.

That seems weird. Killing hosts doesn't help the virus. A person that carries the virus for weeks before showing symptoms, and then coughs on everyone for weeks after that...is where evolution would normally take a virus like this.

Right now, the long incubation period is the reason it's spreading so quickly...and the virus convincing a third of the country that masks are not needed.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Where did you get 4%?

Are you basing it on the percentage of people who contact the virus and die?

If you are, then the percentage is lower. Maybe one and a half percent of the total population. At least, somewhere between one and two percent.

There are now several mutations. All are more transmissible than before. And at least one is more deadly.

That seems weird. Killing hosts doesn't help the virus. A person that carries the virus for weeks before showing symptoms, and then coughs on everyone for weeks after that...is where evolution would normally take a virus like this.

Right now, the long incubation period is the reason it's spreading so quickly...and the virus convincing a third of the country that masks are not needed.

The up to 4 percent was the original projection branded about in this thread and for the sake of my piece, a worst case scenario. It seemed, at the time to be the figure if left unabated. It has over time proved not to be the case. But, is that due to lockdowns and precautions taken giving us a false new lower percentage?

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

There are now several mutations. All are more transmissible than before. And at least one is more deadly.

That seems weird. Killing hosts doesn't help the virus.

If you look at past pandemics, they always talk about three waves.

The second wave is usually the deadliest because of those mutations.

The third or more waves are less so because the virus mutates until it stops killing.

Personally, I think the last year was wave one and we are now entering wave two.

[LilyMunday]

It is definitely thinning the world down. How awful more deaths than in the whole of WW2. Everyone needs to take this seriously as it's not going away tomorrow. The strain on hospital systems is enormous and meanwhile we are facing a climate crises. I see big changes happening all around the world as we become wiser with our world population.

I'm proud of how our government is coping in Australia. It's not perfect but we've all become used to keeping our distance, washing our hands and wearing masks in public places, it's here to stay.
Our economy will survive and adjust and so will our people.

A tough time for all the world.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by lanfear63

The up to 4 percent was the original projection branded about in this thread and for the sake of my piece, a worst case scenario. It seemed, at the time to be the figure if left unabated. It has over time proved not to be the case. But, is that due to lockdowns and precautions taken giving us a false new lower percentage?

It wasn't 4% ever. On this forum, it was inflated as a percentage to argue against. At the beginning it was about 2.5%. The reason it was higher was because it was spreading so fast in retirement homes, hospitals, veteran centers, and meat packing plants.

And....there were far fewer tests, so the people who had the virus, and weren't sick enough to go to the hospital, weren't getting tested, and it skewed the numbers.

The precautions taken have no effect on mortality. Once you have the virus,.... masks, distancing, washing hands...don't help you.

Lockdowns and wearing masks helps the infection rate stay lower, but has no effect on mortality, once you get the virus.

And, treatments have improved in the last year.

[Kay King]

Claude -


Are vaccine appts available in your area? Repeated attempts by some neighbors who are 75+ result in 'no appts available' - no matter how many times they try to get an appt.


My doctor had advised me to wait 'a while' before vaccination because I'd had covid and she believes waiting a bit will reduce the chance of reaction. Then today I saw this from the Mayoclinic site

If you’ve had COVID-19, wait until 90 days after your diagnosis to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Also - watched an interview today with the head of Boston diocese catholic school. The schools in the system have been IN SESSION in person all year - with teachers in the classrooms and only 3 cases of covid tracked to the school. That is 100 schools in the system with about 34,000 students in those schools. The system has added 4000 new students due to the public schools being closed to in person learning this entire year. When asked if teachers 'had a problem with being in the classroom' - the answer was 'that's where teachers are to be'.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Claude -


Are vaccine appts available in your area? Repeated attempts by some neighbors who are 75+ result in 'no appts available' - no matter how many times they try to get an appt.

None for people under 75 yet. We registered with our county health department, and they are supposed to notify us when vaccines are available, and where.

My in-laws that are over 75 have had their first shot.

[Claude Whitacre]

Well, Boys and Girls...

There is a perceptible drop in daily cases and hospitalizations in the US. Deaths are about the same, averaging a tad over 3,000 a day since January 7th.

Cases;
A high on January 7th of 266,086 new cases a day. Now it's down to 138,940 new cases a day (Feb. 2) Still horrible. But a real downward trend.

Hospitalizations are down. January 7 had the high point of 132,921 people in the hospital with Covid, and that is slowly going down. A steady decline to 92,880 on February 2.

Deaths have been at a 7 day daily average of a little over 3,000 a day since January 7th.

But numbers of deaths always lags behind hospitalizations, whether the number is going up or down.

So...my guess is that, unless the new strains are spreading faster than the vaccinations (or they become immune to the vaccinations), this should keep getting better.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Well, Boys and Girls...

There is a perceptible drop in daily cases and hospitalizations in the US. Deaths are about the same, averaging a tad over 3,000 a day since January 7th.

Cases;
A high on January 7th of 266,086 new cases a day. Now it's down to 138,940 new cases a day (Feb. 2) Still horrible. But a real downward trend.

Hospitalizations are down. January 7 had the high point of 132,921 people in the hospital with Covid, and that is slowly going down. A steady decline to 92,880 on February 2.

Deaths have been at a 7 day daily average of a little over 3,000 a day since January 7th.

But numbers of deaths always lags behind hospitalizations, whether the number is going up or down.

So...my guess is that, unless the new strains are spreading faster than the vaccinations (or they become immune to the vaccinations), this should keep getting better.

Fingers and toes are crossed.

[Kay King]

One person I like to hear from is Mike Rowe - he's laid back and often has an interesting perspective....a recent quote from him that I like a LOT...

"We're starting to see," Rowe concluded, "if you elevate the business of staying alive to the very, very top of all things, then the only thing you'll ever do is stay alive. You won't go anywhere. You won't try anything or build anything."

EVERY scientist we've been told to listen to - says schools should be open NOW. Those schools that have been open all along are PROOF they are not super spreaders and students/teachers/staff are at no more risk than in areas where schools are closed. It's documented - but being ignored.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

One person I like to hear from is Mike Rowe - he's laid back and often has an interesting perspective....a recent quote from him that I like a LOT...



EVERY scientist we've been told to listen to - says schools should be open NOW. Those schools that have been open all along are PROOF they are not super spreaders and students/teachers/staff are at no more risk than in areas where schools are closed. It's documented - but being ignored.

I hear the same thing from Fouci and the CDC. They say that with masks and small groups the schools show little chance of being a super spreader.

No idea why. I assume it's partially because masks are mandatory. but it's now obvious, from the data, that schools can now open with little risk.


I recently had a lady knock on the window of my store. She insisted I come out to service her vacuum cleaner out of the back of her van.

I asked if it was because of Covid, and she said Yes. Her van was filthy, she wasn't wearing a mask. She insisted I do the repair outside. She didn't want to come in the store. She didn't want the vacuum cleaner (which was filthy) in the store.

It took me half an hour to fix her damn vacuum, in Winter. When I was done, she paid with a credit card. It was declined. I wished her well, and didn't charge her. i just wanted to get back inside.

Humans. I had to whine about it eventually, so I did it here.

[Kay King]

I think some of this stuff is nothing but power plays and holdouts for more money.... Our schools have been open all year...with no problems. Social distancing and masks and that's it.


Funny how 'follow the science' is advice until the science doesn't do what you want it to do...

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I think some of this stuff is nothing but power plays and holdouts for more money.... Our schools have been open all year...with no problems. Social distancing and masks and that's it.


Funny how 'follow the science' is advice until the science doesn't do what you want it to do...

"Follow the science" is always good advice.

And the vast majority of the people at the CDC and the scientists at the White house did all they could to deliver the real science. I'm sure of it.

The problem is that some politicians have to "follow their voters" who sometimes don't believe the science.

And...depending on who you watch on TV, or read online...what the science says is twisted to suite their audience. On all sides.

When we don't know anything, politics plays the biggest part. Then, as science begins to gather real information...politics and science appear to be arguing.

Eventually science wins. Because it's the truth. And eventually....stupidity loses every argument.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Kay King

One person I like to hear from is Mike Rowe - he's laid back and often has an interesting perspective....a recent quote from him that I like a LOT...



EVERY scientist we've been told to listen to - says schools should be open NOW. Those schools that have been open all along are PROOF they are not super spreaders and students/teachers/staff are at no more risk than in areas where schools are closed. It's documented - but being ignored.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I hear the same thing from Fouci and the CDC. They say that with masks and small groups the schools show little chance of being a super spreader.

No idea why. I assume it's partially because masks are mandatory. but it's now obvious, from the data, that schools can now open with little risk.


I recently had a lady knock on the window of my store. She insisted I come out to service her vacuum cleaner out of the back of her van.

I asked if it was because of Covid, and she said Yes. Her van was filthy, she wasn't wearing a mask. She insisted I do the repair outside. She didn't want to come in the store. She didn't want the vacuum cleaner (which was filthy) in the store.

It took me half an hour to fix her damn vacuum, in Winter. When I was done, she paid with a credit card. It was declined. I wished her well, and didn't charge her. i just wanted to get back inside.

Humans. I had to whine about it eventually, so I did it here.

Mike Rowe is just wrong, the scientists are NOT saying that.

Claude has it closer to what is actually being said...

Which is... AFTER the proper precautions are made to the classrooms (such as additional ventilation and other stuff) AND... IF THEY follow the CDC guidelines such as masks, distancing, and hygiene, then it's been proven safe by all the schools that are already doing that.

The president is calling for the schools to open under those guidelines, he just said the above yesterday in his address ( I paraphrased ) and he was just parroting what the scientists have been saying for a month or so,

but A TON.... as in more than HALF of schools are broke and need more money to comply,
which is why he pushing for two billion of the recovery package to ONLY go to schools.

Everyone is saying open when safe...and hurry up about it.

No scientist has said to open the schools now...blindly. That's a crap quote by another influencer that erodes reality.

Like my father used to say...as he was smacking me upside the back of my head. Words matter.

[Kay King]

From the CDC :

Teachers do not need to get vaccinated against Covid-19 before schools can safely reopen, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

If you want to keep your kids home till all traces of covid are eradicated , up to you - but parents and kids need to have alternatives.

Catholic and private schools - and many public schools - have been open ALL YEAR without any 'super spreaders' or any risk that is higher than having schools closed. What the teacher's unions are predicting/fearing/claiming has NOT happened. I don't care how often they say 'it's not safe' - schools are operating safety in many parts of the country. Saying it isn't true doesn't make it so.

What has been said is that schools pose NO HIGHER RISK of contracting covid than has been found where virtual classes were the option. If you have the same level of risk with schools open as you do with them closed....we should be taking better care of our children and their education and worrying less about fear mongering of teacher unions.

Public schools in this area spent WEEKS preparing the schools for social distancing and installing barriers for teachers....and used the available budgets to do it. We are being propagandized when it comes to schools. For about 50 years all that needed to be said was 'we need the money for the children' and purses opened. You do NOT need billions of dollars to 're-open' schools....

If you want 'truth' do a search for 'teacher bonus' - in areas where school boards are offering 4 figure bonuses to teachers who return to the classroom.....teachers are going back to work. Money talks.

All over the country, schools systems are considering offering thousands of dollars to get teachers and staff to DO THEIR JOBS. Maybe that is why the schools 'need money to open' ??? I don't see doctors/nurses/hospital personnel/emt's showing up for work because they get a bonus.

Meanwhile - covid numbers are less than HALF what they were 7-10 days ago.....so either vaccines are kicking in,the holiday surge ended, or the numbers were being over-estimated. to begin with. Doesn't really matter - they are way down and hopefully that trend will continue.

I expect some schools will be closed till next fall...and I'd rather see that happen than have to bribe teachers to do their jobs.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Kay King

From the CDC :


If you want to keep your kids home till all traces of covid are eradicated , up to you - but parents and kids need to have alternatives.

Catholic and private schools - and many public schools - have been open ALL YEAR without any 'super spreaders' or any risk that is higher than having schools closed. What the teacher's unions are predicting/fearing/claiming has NOT happened. I don't care how often they say 'it's not safe' - schools are operating safety in many parts of the country. Saying it isn't true doesn't make it so.

What has been said is that schools pose NO HIGHER RISK of contracting covid than has been found where virtual classes were the option. If you have the same level of risk with schools open as you do with them closed....we should be taking better care of our children and their education and worrying less about fear mongering of teacher unions.

Public schools in this area spent WEEKS preparing the schools for social distancing and installing barriers for teachers....and used the available budgets to do it. We are being propagandized when it comes to schools. For about 50 years all that needed to be said was 'we need the money for the children' and purses opened. You do NOT need billions of dollars to 're-open' schools....

If you want 'truth' do a search for 'teacher bonus' - in areas where school boards are offering 4 figure bonuses to teachers who return to the classroom.....teachers are going back to work. Money talks.

All over the country, schools systems are considering offering thousands of dollars to get teachers and staff to DO THEIR JOBS. Maybe that is why the schools 'need money to open' ??? I don't see doctors/nurses/hospital personnel/emt's showing up for work because they get a bonus.

Meanwhile - covid numbers are less than HALF what they were 7-10 days ago.....so either vaccines are kicking in,the holiday surge ended, or the numbers were being over-estimated. to begin with. Doesn't really matter - they are way down and hopefully that trend will continue.

I expect some schools will be closed till next fall...and I'd rather see that happen than have to bribe teachers to do their jobs.

Every time you post about this topic you show your bias.
As I said, he is wrong for saying that because NOBODY said that.

Do you want the truth? Teachers should not have to put their lives at risk if they don't want to.
They did not take the hypocritic oath, or anything of that nature.

So what now? Fire all of them that are too old or scared? And replace them with who?
It takes time and training to be a teacher and we pay them across the board like peons
so the number of teachers learning to be teachers drops every year as it is. We don't have enough viable replacements. So some people proposed bribing them. So what.

Yes, it's good the numbers are down, they won't stay that way if the mutations keep taking over. Even tho the infections are going down the deaths are still lagging, as always. There will be a few thousand people dying every single day for the next few months. There is no getting around that and that puts things at around 550-600k deaths before we get most vaccinated...THAT horror story is the good news.

I bet if you came to FL, or NY or NJ and saw a quarter of the pain that I have personally seen you would sing a different tune. So far you and your family walked away without any casualties and that puts your perspective a little different than mine and the rest of the families who are presently dealing with the question, who else in my family is going to get sick and die.

Edit:
Rereading that last line, I realized it gives the impression someone in my family died. That's not the case. I know four people who have passed in my circle, luckily none of them was family. My family has only gotten sick, some worse than others and a dozen or so of us went into the emergency room.

[Kay King]

I don't know who you are referring to as 'he' - the quote was from head of cdc...if he doesn't know, maybe no one does? I didn't make it up. CNBC reported it as fact, too.

Do you want the truth? Teachers should not have to put their lives at risk if they don't want to.
They did not take the hypocritic oath, or anything of that nature.

Teachers unions are claiming they are 'essential workers' and thus should be vaccinated first or early on...I don't necessarily disagree. Yet in areas where they have been vaccinated - the unions still hold out. I believe you mean the Hippocratic oath....I think some teachers have the hypocritic one down pretty well.

I no longer have kids in school so I don't really care if the schools stay closed for another year or two. It does bother me that many kids are now home alone as parents go back to work - that the suicide rate has risen rather sharply among children - that abuse may not be seen and reported.

I do mind paying teachers who are not teaching - showing up for 3-4 hrs of online teaching is not the same as dealing in person with students...and it should not pay the same. More than anything, I resent the Teachers' unions taking advantage of a crisis to strengthen their control.

I have friends/relatives who are devoted teachers - and they are either back in school or chomping at the bit to get back to 'real' classes. They tell me teaching online is not working well - kids are not attending the classes, there is so much distractions in the home kids can't focus on the lessons.

They tell me 'online classes' are much easier and take less time each day for them as a teacher...but they know the kids are falling behind. A lot of kids have 'disappeared' - they are registered for online school but never show up for a class or respond to contact. Some may have moved - but without withdrawing?


It is a big issue - with lots of options and opinions. For parents who can stay home and are able to help with school work, kids are OK. For parents who can't be home, who don't have the education to help...in homes where there is stress or anger issues or lots of children in the same space, kids are falling behind and may be at increased risk for everything except covid.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Meanwhile - covid numbers are less than HALF what they were 7-10 days ago.....

The new daily cases (7 day running average) are down from a high of 248,574 on January 12 to 130,568 today (7 day running average)

The hospitalizations are now 80,055 down from a high of 132,370 on January 7.

The deaths (7 day running average) are now at 2,885, down from a high (7 day running average) of 3,302.

Today, we had a low 77,737 new cases. And on January 8 we had 312,000 new cases. But the daily number fluctuate wildly up and down, so the 7 day averages tell a more accurate story.

But this does indicate a definite downward trend, starting about a month ago. This is both in new cases and hospitalizations. The daily deaths are showing a much less pronounced decline.

[Declan O Flaherty]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

The new daily cases (7 day running average) are down from a high of 248,574 on January 12 to 130,568 today (7 day running average)

The hospitalizations are now 80,055 down from a high of 132,370 on January 7.

The deaths (7 day running average) are now at 2,885, down from a high (7 day running average) of 3,302.

CDC Exposed: Inflated Covid Deaths By 1600% Throughout The Election, “Violated Multiple Federal Laws” Peer-Reviewed Study Finds…State, Local Governments Must Act...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ents-must-act/

Deaths in Ireland, where I live, are the same as they were for the past 10 years, give or take. Same in the UK, and the same in United States. Pretty sure it'll be the same in every country. They're moving furniture around the room.

Oh, and if any of you are ignorant enough to get your kids jabbed with an experimental vaccine, for a virus that DOES NOT AFFECT THEM, then you should be ashamed of yourself, even if it's through your own ignorance.

They don't care about your heath or safety.

[Profit Traveler]

Originally Posted by Declan O Flaherty

CDC Exposed: Inflated Covid Deaths By 1600% Throughout The Election, “Violated Multiple Federal Laws” Peer-Reviewed Study Finds…State, Local Governments Must Act...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ents-must-act/

Deaths in Ireland, where I live, are the same as they were for the past 10 years, give or take. Same in the UK, and the same in United States. Pretty sure it'll be the same in every country. They're moving furniture around the room.

Oh, and if any of you are ignorant enough to get your kids jabbed with an experimental vaccine, for a virus that DOES NOT AFFECT THEM, then you should be ashamed of yourself, even if it's through your own ignorance.

They don't care about your heath or safety.

It's Great we have Dr. Declan! We need more Forum Scientists.

We definitely need an update on the smiley selection it's 2021.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Profit Traveler

It's Great we have Dr. Declan! We need more Forum Scientists.

We definitely need an update on the smiley selection it's 2021.

that not even scientist level.. that guy peddling vitamins on a infomercial at 2 am level


yes only 8 or six percent of the deaths from covid where in people who only had covid ..and the other 92 percent .. people had other condition.. they could have lived with for a yea ..5 year or 20 ..and THe USA having a very unhealthy population with large numbers of people with co morbidities .. especial if vitamin d deficiency is a co morbidity and pre diabetes ..

there is also judging the death rate by the total population of a county .. when 92 percent of the population has yet to be proven to be exposed .. so at 500 k deaths over 330 million people you get like a 99. 85 survival rate .. instead of running the death rates again the 27 million people who have tested positive .. which runs about a 2 percent death rate .. over the course of a year ..but we where close to or over 3 percent in the first several month and we are at about 1 percent currently ..

if you take the US numbers out of the world numbers .. there is about a 2.2 percent death rate ..

[highhopes]

Just wondering how many people here will have the vaccine for the Covid - 19? Seems to be a growing fear of it?

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by highhopes

Just wondering how many people here will have the vaccine for the Covid - 19? Seems to be a growing fear of it?

i am waiting for the single shot version to become widely available .. i hope to travel outside the country the second half of this year.. and by that time vaccinations will be required to get on plains or get tourist visas in most countries ..

i doubt there is growing fear of it .. there is probably just more attention on the 10 percent of the population that fears vaccines for what ever reason ..

..

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Declan O Flaherty

[B]
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ents-must-act/

The Gateway Pundit?

First sentence from Wikipedia.

The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right fake news website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

[discrat]

Originally Posted by highhopes

Just wondering how many people here will have the vaccine for the Covid - 19? Seems to be a growing fear of it?

I am absolutely getting it. No fear on my part

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by discrat

I am absolutely getting it. No fear on my part

Same. My wife and me.

IF I had a severe allergy, I may ask my doctor before I got the vaccine....but the risk is almost non-existent, and at our age, the vaccine could be life saving.

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Same. My wife and me.

IF I had a severe allergy, I may ask my doctor before I got the vaccine....but the risk is almost non-existent, and at our age, the vaccine could be life saving.

According to my Doc, my food allergy (peanuts) is a non-issue.
So I'm in, however, I'm getting it as near to medical help as possible.
Just in case.