Sending Targetted Traffic To Sales Page vs. Opt-In Page

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Ok, this is a very interesting topic because I know that there are 2 schools of thoughts here, one advocating sending targetted traffic directly to a sales page and the other sending targetted traffic to an opt-in page.

I have my own thoughts on this and have drawn up my scenario below for both but I am going to use some standard preset metrics

- Sales page conversion is a 1%
- Opt-in is at 40%

Targetted traffic to a sales page
1000 visitors - 10 sales ( at 1% conversion )
No Email collected except for those that have already purchased

Targetted traffic to an opt-in page
1000 visitors - 400 emails collected ( at 40% opt-in )
400 Emails - conversion from freebie at 1% - 4 sales
50% of opt-in will never buy from you
49% potential buyers in the future ( 196 )
6 months of follow-up on this 196 people yield another 2% conversion - 4 sales
Total - 8 buyers

Sales page sales - 10 ( immediate )
Opt-in page sales - 8 ( 4 immediate + 4 in 6 months )

This is what I came up with on the above scenario but I am sure I am way out on certain this especially the opt-in page part.

Remember, these are my personal assumptions and I can be way off so gurus, experts, or just about anyone, please weigh in with your thoughts, experience and ideas. This is a discussion so please don't flame. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    In my opinion its always better to use a landing page as you can get many sales from your subsribers on the future .But you need to be sure that your landing page converts at least 20% or you will loose money
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  • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
    Originally Posted by freeabs View Post

    Ok, this is a very interesting topic because I know that there are 2 schools of thoughts here, one advocating sending targetted traffic directly to a sales page and the other sending targetted traffic to an opt-in page.

    I have my own thoughts on this and have drawn up my scenario below for both but I am going to use some standard preset metrics

    - Sales page conversion is a 1%
    - Opt-in is at 40%

    Targetted traffic to a sales page
    1000 visitors - 10 sales ( at 1% conversion )
    No Email collected except for those that have already purchased

    Targetted traffic to an opt-in page
    1000 visitors - 400 emails collected ( at 40% opt-in )
    400 Emails - conversion from freebie at 1% - 4 sales
    50% of opt-in will never buy from you
    49% potential buyers in the future ( 196 )
    6 months of follow-up on this 196 people yield another 2% conversion - 4 sales
    Total - 8 buyers

    Sales page sales - 10 ( immediate )
    Opt-in page sales - 8 ( 4 immediate + 4 in 6 months )

    This is what I came up with on the above scenario but I am sure I am way out on certain this especially the opt-in page part.

    Remember, these are my personal assumptions and I can be way off so gurus, experts, or just about anyone, please weigh in with your thoughts, experience and ideas. This is a discussion so please don't flame. Thank you.
    I say, go with whichever method you are most comfortable with.

    For years I hesitated to grow my affiliate business because I felt I wasn't running something legitimate (because everyone on the forum constantly parroted, "build a list, build a list, build a list").

    After I joined a paid forum for affiliate marketers, where most of the members are making big money with affiliate marketing, I started to feel better about the fact I hadn't been building a list - there are lot of affiliates out there making a killing without a list.

    I understand the benefits of building a list, but it's just something I have no real interest in (and these days I do okay without one).

    Cheers,
    Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author Osigwe Marvelous
      So how do you do it then, I am a beginner and I don't think I am financially balanced to build a list
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Always send to an opt-in page if it's over say a $100 offer.

    You paid to generate that lead. Don't lose it.

    Getting the opt-in gives you two things:

    1 - the ability warm up the prospective customer by sharing articles, stories, videos etc.

    2 - multiple chances to send them to the sales page.


    Regarding your numbers, I suspect there are some things missing from your funnel.


    Have you ever been sitting around in a "customer lounge" while your car gets an oil change?

    You can do a lot of surfing in that half-hour or so.

    You can even look up and opt into stuff you genuinely like.

    You may get the chance to see a cool offer. BUT--

    --when that attendant comes over and says your car is ready, off you go. Phone forgotten. Sales page dismissed.

    Your audience behaves this way, too.

    With a little thought, you could use this lead in other funnels.

    You paid for that lead. Don't waste it.
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    • Profile picture of the author freeabs
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Always send to an opt-in page if it's over say a $100 offer.

      You paid to generate that lead. Don't lose it.

      Getting the opt-in gives you two things:

      1 - the ability warm up the prospective customer by sharing articles, stories, videos etc.

      2 - multiple chances to send them to the sales page.


      Regarding your numbers, I suspect there are some things missing from your funnel.


      Have you ever been sitting around in a "customer lounge" while your car gets an oil change?

      You can do a lot of surfing in that half-hour or so.

      You can even look up and opt into stuff you genuinely like.

      You may get the chance to see a cool offer. BUT--

      --when that attendant comes over and says your car is ready, off you go. Phone forgotten. Sales page dismissed.

      Your audience behaves this way, too.

      With a little thought, you could use this lead in other funnels.

      You paid for that lead. Don't waste it.
      Thanks you for your inputs, Jason. Let me expand a little further. If an existing Sales Page is already converting at a consistent 1% from a traffic source for a product over $100, should we still go for the opt-in route with this traffic source? Or should we do both?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by freeabs View Post

        Thanks you for your inputs, Jason. Let me expand a little further. If an existing Sales Page is already converting at a consistent 1% from a traffic source for a product over $100, should we still go for the opt-in route with this traffic source? Or should we do both?
        DABK answered this...

        But here's a thought to roll around: what if your opt in page conversion rate and your sales page conversion rate have nothing to do with each other?

        People tend to believe that if they can raise their opt in page conversion, that'll mean more sales. But it isn't true. There's little correlation and certainly not causation between the two.

        I can raise the effectiveness of my opt in page... and attract more freebie seekers who won't buy.

        Opt in and sales... the two don't have much to do with each other.

        But I do say you'll have more chances to show a prospective customer the sales page if they've opted in (or are pixel targeted) than you would by sending them directly to the sales page the one time.
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        • Profile picture of the author freeabs
          Thank you, Jason. You lit up a light bulb for me and I finally saw the whole picture now and am able to wrap my head around it. My thanks and appreciation
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    If you have 1000 visitors and 400 sign up, why do you have only 1% buy?


    Because that is the conversion rate for the sale page?



    If you send them from a list, and you've warmed them up properly, the sales page will convert better.


    When a friend or co-worker tells you they bought something and they like it and you want it, how often do you just go and buy where they bought?


    How often do you do your research as if they had never made a recommendation?


    How often do you get to the web page and get bothered by the fact that the price is 50 pixels too far too the left from optimal?


    A recommendation overcomes a lot of conversion optimization issues.


    I am just saying you're comparing apples to oranges the way you did it.


    Real life example that happened to me recently: A guy bought something from a relative and was happy. I was in the relatives office a few times he showed up... When he was there for the last time for him and my relative transaction, I asked him if he has a website for his company... He had just registered one.



    He did not. I offered to build him one $1100 (7 pages), includes domain and 1 year of hosting, looking like (I showed him a site I had previously built). Did he have a logo? He did not. I would throw in a logo for a measly $200.


    He bought. His only questions were about colors (which would be best for a company like his) and what's hosting and who makes sure his site works all the time.


    Turns out, for $59 a month, I can take care of it and buy him next year's hosting and renew his domain too.


    Point? He trusted my brother and, by association, me, and that removed a bunch of his fears and concerns.


    PS He's a pleasure to work with... but that's a lucky bonus.
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    • Profile picture of the author freeabs
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      If you have 1000 visitors and 400 sign up, why do you have only 1% buy?


      Because that is the conversion rate for the sale page?



      If you send them from a list, and you've warmed them up properly, the sales page will convert better.


      When a friend or co-worker tells you they bought something and they like it and you want it, how often do you just go and buy where they bought?


      How often do you do your research as if they had never made a recommendation?


      How often do you get to the web page and get bothered by the fact that the price is 50 pixels too far too the left from optimal?


      A recommendation overcomes a lot of conversion optimization issues.


      I am just saying you're comparing apples to oranges the way you did it.


      Real life example that happened to me recently: A guy bought something from a relative and was happy. I was in the relatives office a few times he showed up... When he was there for the last time for him and my relative transaction, I asked him if he has a website for his company... He had just registered one.



      He did not. I offered to build him one $1100 (7 pages), includes domain and 1 year of hosting, looking like (I showed him a site I had previously built). Did he have a logo? He did not. I would throw in a logo for a measly $200.


      He bought. His only questions were about colors (which would be best for a company like his) and what's hosting and who makes sure his site works all the time.


      Turns out, for $59 a month, I can take care of it and buy him next year's hosting and renew his domain too.


      Point? He trusted my brother and, by association, me, and that removed a bunch of his fears and concerns.


      PS He's a pleasure to work with... but that's a lucky bonus.
      Thanks for your inputs. Yes the 1% conversion rate is for the sales page if the traffic is sent directly to it.

      So based on your experience, what's the conversion rate to expect of a properly warmed up email list from the list of 400 subscribers?
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        That depends on how good you are. If you are not any better than them going to the sales page directly... You still have 400 people you can send to the sale page one more time. At 1%, that's 4 more with the 1st email. And then 3 or 4 more with the 2nd email; and 2 or 3 with the 4th email...


        Not to mention that you can send them to some other offer too and get 1 or 3 sales from there as well.


        If you are just a bit better, just 1/10th of a percent, over the long haul that ends up being real money.


        If you're really good, you can get those 400 to yield you 4 or 5 times more than what you get by sending them directly to the sales page.... Over weeks, not instantly, but if you keep getting 400 every week (or however long the 1st period you used to get the 1st 400), you end up much more money.


        I am not currently doing affiliate marketing, but I do collect emails. And I can assure you it works better... I know because I did not always collect emails...


        In my case, collecting emails translated into an almost 500% increase in appointments. I also made changes to how I handle appointments, so I cannot tell you how many extra sales are due only to collecting emails. But with almost 500% appointments increase it's got to be at least almost 500% increase due to collecting emails.


        I mean, I now send emails to everybody and, every now and again, someone who did not want to make an appointment, ask me a question and I get another chance.


        And these other chances add up to real money.



        Originally Posted by freeabs View Post

        Thanks for your inputs. Yes the 1% conversion rate is for the sales page if the traffic is sent directly to it.

        So based on your experience, what's the conversion rate to expect of a properly warmed up email list from the list of 400 subscribers?
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  • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
    The main thing is 400 e-mails collected is pool of people for whom you can promote anything anytime.....
    If you don't collect ; you'll end up paying to get those 400 clicks from someone else.
    If you just try to collect pool of buyers. Some of them might unsubscribe so it'll be a long time before you'll have a sizeable list who will likely buy often from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    It took a while for me to jump into the collecting emails but I wish I started sooner.

    Collecting emails is such a great way robe able to constantly market to your audience and if you can't convert them on a specific product then you can always try others. It also gives you the chance to make multiple sales off of people.
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  • Profile picture of the author freeabs
    All valid points but if the traffic is ppc or other forms of paid traffic, is the main goals still to get an email lead rather than a sale even if you know that that traffic will convert at a certain percentage if sent directly to a sales page?
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    • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
      Originally Posted by freeabs View Post

      All valid points but if the traffic is ppc or other forms of paid traffic, is the main goals still to get an email lead rather than a sale even if you know that that traffic will convert at a certain percentage if sent directly to a sales page?
      Hey if you are making profit that's pretty good and you may wish to do that all day long. Nothing wrong with that...

      The e-mail list can come handy in case the ad network decided to shut you down if you violated this or that policy.

      I have had my google ad suspended. So, I have chose to market offers with different methods like solo mailing.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    The optin page is the better option. That is how the Super Affiliates make 6 figures each year. When you send paid traffic to a sales page the conversions are usually low. Using an option page you can build an email list that you can market different products over and over again and for a lifetime.
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
    When you are using free traffic it makes sense in most of the cases to send them directly to a sales page - because they know you, they follow you, they had a converation with you, they trust you...
    But when you are using paid traffic it might be better to always build a list first
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
    Ask yourself why your email address is asked for more and more, in every aspect of your life, on and offl line.

    I anticipate the day when we cannot purchase from anywhere without giving it.. bit like a card PIN #.
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  • Profile picture of the author JBS786
    Hey Freeabs, you have done your research! Whatever method you do use there HAS to be a good funnel in the back end that will successfully convert. Try this FREE funnel analysis software to check what you've already got in place Best of Luck
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