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Facebook vs Apple


User privacy vs revenue from ads


The dispute between the tech giants centers on changes in the latest version of Apple's iOS operating software, which include a tracking transparency feature that Facebook claims will cripple its ability to serve up targeted ads.


As Marketers who spend on Ads and who get targeted by ads I guess we will have some mixed feelings?


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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
    Don't have a "side" per se - think each of these companies are simultaneously exceptional and hypocritical in their own ways. Also believe they need each other (and I have to believe they each know that.) Apple can posture all it wants to about its evils, but targeted digital advertising absolutely benefits their bottom line (as well as FB's of course) through mechanisms like app install ads (many of which monetize via Apple's in-app purchases), to name just one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
      Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

      Don't have a "side" per se - think each of these companies are simultaneously exceptional and hypocritical in their own ways. Also believe they need each other (and I have to believe they each know that.) Apple can posture all it wants to about its evils, but targeted digital advertising absolutely benefits their bottom line (as well as FB's of course) through mechanisms like app install ads (many of which monetize via Apple's in-app purchases), to name just one.

      Agree 1000%.

      Apple had to pay 113 Million on it's BatteryGate Scandal affecting its own customers.

      https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13429...rygate-scandal
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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
        Wow - another great example of not necessarily being "customer first" in every facet (far easier for them to crap on advertising when it's not directly central to (much of) their business.

        Like I said, I'm actually a fan/user of their products - but I think much of their (AND FB's) public posturing is self-serving and/or intentionally withholds context context
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

          Wow - another great example of not necessarily being "customer first" in every facet (far easier for them to crap on advertising when it's not directly central to (much of) their business.

          Like I said, I'm actually a fan/user of their products - but I think much of their (AND FB's) public posturing is self-serving and/or intentionally withholds context context
          the government os going after Facebook and google for monopolistic practices .. there is a really nagetive feeling in the public about this kind of tracking that apple is allowing people to protect themselves against ..

          at this point i don't think apple want to fight the government on the privacy front .. and the use of slave workers by subcontractors to build it's products ..

          i am not going to go into the reasons i believe Facebook google and YouTube are probably facing attempts to break them up ..

          apple taking privacy serious and actually chasing slave wrker out of their supply chain.. may keep them safe for a while ..
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          • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
            apple taking privacy serious and actually chasing slave wrker out of their supply chain.. may keep them safe for a while ..
            It very well may be (add to that that Zuckerberg, not Cook, seems to be public enemy #1 among big tech CEO's ... despite the fact that he's faaaaar from the only one whose business has some "questionable" moral dimensions
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            • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
              Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

              It very well may be (add to that that Zuckerberg, not Cook, seems to be public enemy #1 among big tech CEO's ... despite the fact that he's faaaaar from the only one whose business has some "questionable" moral dimensions

              Heck of a phrase you have there.
              If it was a measurement would have to be a sliding scale.


              Zuckerberg got a hit movie made of his "questionable moral dimensions."

              Give that man an asterisk!
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              • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
                If it was a measurement would have to be a sliding scale.
                Indeed. Perhaps it woud've been more prudent to just let the Winklevii run with it
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                • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
                  Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

                  Indeed. Perhaps it woud've been more prudent to just let the Winklevii run with it

                  Funny I just stumble on old video....when you are in charge of the Platform you can kick a superhero martial artist in the doodads....



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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

                  Indeed. Perhaps it woud've been more prudent to just let the Winklevii run with it
                  reading up on the twins .. they went on to found a capital management group and a bit coin /crypto exchange .. and they have done quite well for themselves ..

                  i don't think they where evil enough to turn social media into a dopamine crack house like facebook did .. run by mr zuckerberg and his wife ..
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                  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
                    dopamine crack house
                    new favorite phrase.

                    yeah it's kinda interesting ... the Winklevii *look* like classic movie villains, and the kind of guys people many in tech might not instinctively embrace (athletic/rich family/good looking/etc ...) yet "in real life" seem to be pretty darn smart and decent (and perhaps fulfilling the "do no evil" credo moreso than some of the most prominent silicon valley folk)
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                • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
                  Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

                  Indeed. Perhaps it woud've been more prudent to just let the Winklevii run with it

                  I notice that people with means and budget want to cut corners more than most newbie marketers do!

                  Take a look at the names/organizations that dove in head first at the Bernie Madoff Pyramid scam. I mean take a really good look.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ent_Securities

                  https://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...adoff-victims/
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

                Heck of a phrase you have there.
                If it was a measurement would have to be a sliding scale.


                Zuckerberg got a hit movie made of his "questionable moral dimensions."

                Give that man an asterisk!
                Just a thought.

                The "doing good", making money personal bias of those that are.

                There is an idea which keeps many a Guru alive and thriving and it is: "if people are buying my stuff, if there is demand, and if it is very profitable, it is a 'moral imperative' to keep supplying it".


                It isn't a modern rationale, has been around for centuries and some might argue one of the cornerstones of capitalism.

                If they keep buying, KEEP selling. And with IM, if you have to fake it til you make it, then by all means do so, the end justifies the means.

                Just a thought when it comes to moral dimensions and one of the sides to consider is our part as the consumer, customer or client who freely give our money to get what we think we want, until we get it and realize we don't.

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                • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  Just a thought.

                  The "doing good", making money personal bias of those that are.

                  There is an idea which keeps many a Guru alive and thriving and it is: "if people are buying my stuff, if there is demand, and if it is very profitable, it is a 'moral imperative' to keep supplying it".


                  It isn't a modern rationale, has been around for centuries and some might argue one of the cornerstones of capitalism.

                  If they keep buying, KEEP selling. And with IM, if you have to fake it til you make it, then by all means do so, the end justifies the means.

                  Just a thought when it comes to moral dimensions and one of the sides to consider is our part as the consumer, customer or client who freely give our money to get what we think we want, until we get it and realize we don't.

                  GordonJ

                  Very good points.

                  Sure the Ecstasy suppliers/consumers also can relate.

                  I saw ConYe selling $60 Church Socks at one of his "Sunday Services. "

                  I should mention he was Number 2 for highest Income list right after Kylie Jenner.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    No idea why anyone would use an Apple product anyway...

    they nickel and dime you for everything and charge you a fortune to buy their crap.

    That's my rumble rant -
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    • Profile picture of the author beachberry
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      No idea why anyone would use an Apple product anyway...

      they nickel and dime you for everything and charge you a fortune to buy their crap.

      That's my rumble rant -

      I have to agree on this , but we seem to be addicted to their products!
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    No idea why anyone would use an Apple product anyway...

    they nickel and dime you for everything and charge you a fortune to buy their crap.

    That's my rumble rant -

    Yes it is a reality they actually have meetings on how to gouge, force you to upgrade, and specifically change their hardware accessories so that it is exclusive.





    Originally Posted by beachberry View Post

    I have to agree on this , but we seem to be addicted to their products!

    Yep. Same for Nike.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

      Yes it is a reality they actually have meetings on how to gouge, force you to upgrade, and specifically change their hardware accessories so that it is exclusive.


      Yep. Same for Nike.
      have you watched videos on monetization strategies on video games ..when there a people who will drop a few grand or more in a video game in a day or two ..but when they are streaming and creating review and strategy content ..they are making that money back ..once they have a good chunk of viewers .

      i am waiting for the next gen personal computer tech but based on a much faster input system than currently available to humans
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Yes it is a reality they actually have meetings on how to gouge, force you to upgrade, and specifically change their hardware accessories so that it is exclusive.

    My guess is the meetings are not entitled 'how to gouge' but 'how to increase profitability'.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Privacy is obviously an issue... one that is easily fixed.. but the fix comes at an expense to the likes of Google, Facebook etc. Apple is an interesting animal.. they are good at "Packaging" It sounds like they are looking out for the greater good, but turn the mind set around and if you want to reach the on average more affluent apple user.. you have to go through Apple...

    Apple has always tiptoed on the border of monopoly, and this action would be maybe a step over the line... BUT in the eyes of the general public it appears to be a step in the right direction... and as I said in my first sentence... it is a step in the right direction, BUT only if more than a single entity follows through.

    Technically Apple is moving MORE towards the end of monopoly with this move creating their ever present closed environment - they are for all intensive purposes removing the competition. Google and Facebook saying "Hey your cutting us out on ads" would be proof of this.

    Anyone familiar with big data has heard of IBM Watson, or the American Express data sets... closed environment data sets that can speculate based on data many buying decision indicators that can be a bit mind blowing when you look at them. No one that I have ever seen seems to have issues with these.. but by enlarge it is the same thing - just at a what appears to be lesser scale.

    IF Congress where to remove Act 230 protections Facebook would crumble, Instagram and Twitter and a host of others would be right there with them. Apple has distanced themselves from this aspect of the issue... but from that point the next issue is the idea of universal security across all of the internet... and THIS is where Apple, Microsoft, Google and the likes will feel the pain.

    Google "Mandating" "HTTPS" was specifically to create a safer internet... it is a step in the right direction. It is simply getting all of the other working /moving parts to come together and do the right thing, and I think at some point that will take some amount of Govt intervention, but i just don't see them ( Govt ) being smart enough #1 to realize the idea of a safe and identity free internet is actually obtainable, and #2 they are without question not smart enough to know what it is they would need to mandate.

    They ( Govt ) simply has people in their right and left ears saying that locking down the internet in this manor would be a hackers paradise, and ultimately it is the opposite that is true. Given the current affairs In the states this statement will make sense... The narrative of Free Speech and big money is winning out over the reality of privacy and safety - there simply is no money in Privacy and Safety.
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      Privacy is obviously an issue... one that is easily fixed.. but the fix comes at an expense to the likes of Google, Facebook etc. Apple is an interesting animal.. they are good at "Packaging" It sounds like they are looking out for the greater good, but turn the mind set around and if you want to reach the on average more affluent apple user.. you have to go through Apple...

      Apple has always tiptoed on the border of monopoly, and this action would be maybe a step over the line... BUT in the eyes of the general public it appears to be a step in the right direction... and as I said in my first sentence... it is a step in the right direction, BUT only if more than a single entity follows through.

      Technically Apple is moving MORE towards the end of monopoly with this move creating their ever present closed environment - they are for all intensive purposes removing the competition. Google and Facebook saying "Hey your cutting us out on ads" would be proof of this.

      Anyone familiar with big data has heard of IBM Watson, or the American Express data sets... closed environment data sets that can speculate based on data many buying decision indicators that can be a bit mind blowing when you look at them. No one that I have ever seen seems to have issues with these.. but by enlarge it is the same thing - just at a what appears to be lesser scale.

      IF Congress where to remove Act 230 protections Facebook would crumble, Instagram and Twitter and a host of others would be right there with them. Apple has distanced themselves from this aspect of the issue... but from that point the next issue is the idea of universal security across all of the internet... and THIS is where Apple, Microsoft, Google and the likes will feel the pain.

      Google "Mandating" "HTTPS" was specifically to create a safer internet... it is a step in the right direction. It is simply getting all of the other working /moving parts to come together and do the right thing, and I think at some point that will take some amount of Govt intervention, but i just don't see them ( Govt ) being smart enough #1 to realize the idea of a safe and identity free internet is actually obtainable, and #2 they are without question not smart enough to know what it is they would need to mandate.

      They ( Govt ) simply has people in their right and left ears saying that locking down the internet in this manor would be a hackers paradise, and ultimately it is the opposite that is true. Given the current affairs In the states this statement will make sense... The narrative of Free Speech and big money is winning out over the reality of privacy and safety - there simply is no money in Privacy and Safety.

      Alot of great insights you brought up.


      Yes current affairs and the massive recent cyber attack is exactly why you would never see me in any self driving anything. Ever.
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        Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

        Yes current affairs and the massive recent cyber attack is exactly why you would never see me in any self driving anything. Ever.
        wellll... as much as Apple has developed a closed environment, it seems that Mr Musk is doing the same. Some cars will simply be safer than others LOL Kinda like some computers are safer than others.

        The cyber attacks are another interesting point... The internet in terms of connections could be safer if big tech chose it to be.. In the end it would be far easier to identify "Hackers" because there would be a single encrypted connection vs the system that is used now - this is kina where HTTPS falls into place it was / is a step in that direction. Im not saying it wont happen when the priority over safety is made, but everything I know suggests it will be far more limited. but there simply is no money in that.
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          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          wellll... as much as Apple has developed a closed environment, it seems that Mr Musk is doing the same. Some cars will simply be safer than others LOL Kinda like some computers are safer than others.

          The cyber attacks are another interesting point... The internet in terms of connections could be safer if big tech chose it to be.. In the end it would be far easier to identify "Hackers" because there would be a single encrypted connection vs the system that is used now - this is kina where HTTPS falls into place it was / is a step in that direction. Im not saying it wont happen when the priority over safety is made, but everything I know suggests it will be far more limited. but there simply is no money in that.

          There are hackers hacking the platforms to protect us from hackers and then there is the inside jobs.

          People with money get hacked, people that hack want data and eventually money, protection cost money and money attracts hackers.

          I remember somebody hacked Pat Flynn of Smart Passive Income blog he was down about a week.

          Now that was just plain playa hatin
          Transparency and income statements can lead to sinister hi-jinks.
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          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          wellll... as much as Apple has developed a closed environment, it seems that Mr Musk is doing the same. Some cars will simply be safer than others LOL Kinda like some computers are safer than others.
          the environment mr musk is going after is the home ..musk is going into the heating and air-conditioning area .. because that is the largest use of energy in the home for most people ..

          the environment telsa is moving too.. is if you are buying a home to live in or building a home ..you can spend a bit more upfront .. and eliminate most utility bills for 20 years ..as they are reengineering the heat pump, air conditioning system, and air filtration system ..designed for cars into home units .. and integrating water heating into the package ..so these thing can operate on the electricity produced from a solar roof ..
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            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            the environment mr musk is going after is the home ..musk is going into the heating and air-conditioning area .. because that is the largest use of energy in the home for most people ..

            the environment telsa is moving too.. is if you are buying a home to live in or building a home ..you can spend a bit more upfront .. and eliminate most utility bills for 20 years ..as they are reengineering the heat pump, air conditioning system, and air filtration system ..designed for cars into home units .. and integrating water heating into the package ..so these thing can operate on the electricity produced from a solar roof ..
            Thats the point... Heating and cooling, the Panels the Power Wall and the Car in the garage coupled with direct path tunnels to drive in, and a Satellite system to control the car, and your home, it all fits neatly into one little package - A Closed system.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              Thats the point... Heating and cooling, the Panels the Power Wall and the Car in the garage coupled with direct path tunnels to drive in, and a Satellite system to control the car, and your home, it all fits neatly into one little package - A Closed system.
              because the payback time of a closed system can be 7-10 years at this point..it is an investment for those who plan to liv in a home 20 -30 years or more ..

              my general theory those is based around the falling cost of productive technologies allowing people to produce more of what they consume .. so if someone can produce all their electrical needs for the next 30 years ..and say instead of a typical oven cooktop stove and replace it with an induction cook top a digital pressure cooker..and a good sized counter to convection oven.. they can cook most of the food they eat ..

              then its a matter choosing how to grow food year round
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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    My guess is the meetings are not entitled 'how to gouge' but 'how to increase profitability'.
    Yes you absolutely right.

    That made me think of good old B.O.A. Bank the time they had to backtrack on their planned policy to charge $5 just to use your DEBIT card. Mass account closures were not what they expected.


    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    have you watched videos on monetization strategies on video games ..when there a people who will drop a few grand or more in a video game in a day or two ..but when they are streaming and creating review and strategy content ..they are making that money back ..once they have a good chunk of viewers .

    i am waiting for the next gen personal computer tech but based on a much faster input system than currently available to humans

    Speaking of that.....Who would have guessed the much awaited CyberPunk Video Game would be so full of bugs they are now issuing mass refunds.
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