My wife says this is a crazy stragegy - what do you think?

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Background - I'm a resume writer and job search coach. I have a mailing list of 8000 to whom I send my newsletter weekly (since 2002).

I've written a book. 200 pages. Job Search Fast Track - Dynamite for Job Hunters. My plan is: give it away free (and add many new subscribers when they enter their e-mail to access the download page). Then market affiliate products and my writing services. And add a member's only forum (paid) for readers to get special assistance and more advanced advice.

Is it mad to give away a 200 page book? My wife says so. But considering how it will attract attention, get media coverage, etc. (it will, I've been on many radio shows, etc for other stuff I've written), I think it's a good idea.

See jobsearchfasttrack dot info for the give away "sales" page.

Will it work? Or should I just try to sell the book?

Your comments very much appreciated!

Gerard.
#crazy #stragegy #wife
  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    It's not mad. It's a great way to build a relationship. You might also find rebranding the book and taking it to a ublisher could work wonders.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I think it is an excellent idea IF you have something to offer beyond that
      book that people will be willing to pay for.

      Example:

      Brad Callen had a book on SEO that he gave away. It was excellent.

      Why did he give away all these SEO secrets?

      Because he has a product that will do all this stuff for you.

      Okay, got it?

      If you have something to sell beyond the book, you have a winner. If not,
      you're simply giving away your income.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgkimsal
    I echo Steven's point, but would probably come down on your wife's side anyway. Giving away a free chapter or two is plenty. If you give the whole thing away, you'll never have anything more to give away from it in the future. Give away 2 chapters, but keep the rest as a paid product. You can bundle it as a freebie with other offers to increase value for those offers later as well. But giving the entire thing away free strikes me as too much too soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Wolfman
    If you don't have much else to give besides the fat ebook you could give them half now and in parts later. Or tease them with 1st free part and for those hooked up sell 2nd part.
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  • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
    Thanks for feedback Intrepreneur, Steven and mgkismal!! Good points. My income plan is as follows:

    free product >> media coverage and joint ventures for traffic (other than my 8000 list) >> e-mail addresses >> promote a member's only forum to readers (for advanced tactics) >> promote relevant affiliate products to list >> promote my services to list.

    Dunno, giving away just free chapter never does it for me.

    Your ongoing ideas really appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by gerardleroux View Post

      Dunno, giving away just free chapter never does it for me. .
      I think people are saying that you can give the book away, but one chapter at a time.

      ? would i like to spurt my full book out there in one hit where the reader may or may not read it all or take it all in and forget about me, or would i like to send it out in sizable chunks where my reader is eagerly waiting for next weeks chapter ?

      i suppose in a way it lets you build a relationship over time with your clients over and above a big bang here i am and here i go approach
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Lazenby
        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        I think people are saying that you can give the book away, but one chapter at a time.

        ? would i like to spurt my full book out there in one hit where the reader may or may not read it all or take it all in and forget about me, or would i like to send it out in sizable chunks where my reader is eagerly waiting for next weeks chapter ?

        i suppose in a way it lets you build a relationship over time with your clients over and above a big bang here i am and here i go approach
        I agree with this 100%...just make sure whatever you follow up with is worth buying...you don't want to give ALL of your info away with the book and end up left with nothing to actually sell them.
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    • Profile picture of the author mgkimsal
      Originally Posted by gerardleroux View Post


      Dunno, giving away just free chapter never does it for me.
      Are you buying from yourself? You know your subscribers better than I do, I'm sure, but... doing something based solely on what *you* would buy or how *you* would operate won't get very far. Some of the best projects I've worked on were things that I wouldn't personally spend money on, but they still sell to others.

      Not saying you're necessarily thinking this was yourself, but that one statement triggered that thought in me (and maybe this will help someone else reading later too!)
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  • Profile picture of the author real-deal
    Yeah I agree with Steve too. I have read Brads book and it is great, he uses the book exceptionally well as both a tool to build trust and confidence, as well as plug his software. So if you can follow this formula you are sure to find success!!
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    I would give away free tips reports based on your big book. Write articles based on the book and use social media etc. to get attention. Then lead readers to your website where you could sell the book and have some affiliate links.

    Become known as an expert with these mini reports. These could drive tons of traffic.

    Not what you asked but I would also rename the book to give it a more actionable title that makes people want to jump and buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    It may feel weird to give away one or two chapters, but trust me when I say it works well.

    Several months ago a couple pretty well-known marketers, Mike and Anik, released a product called the Launch Tree - which, as the name might suggest, helps people with product launches. They promoted the first one or two chapters like mad, and I'll tell you right now - there was so much useful information in just those one or two chapters alone. You can imagine how that product sold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kneb Knebaih
    Yeah... maybe the first 5 chapters... or enough good info to show value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    First of all of course, you should never, ever give something away for free that you couldn't sell if you tried to.

    In this case I'm going to assume it does have valuable information in it and it's chock full of great information they can use.

    But just because you decide to give it away for free doesn't you don't have to sell people on wanting it.

    You still have to majorly sell the book, even if it's free. You want to make them truly desire it, then let them have it (or a chapter or two) as a gift in exchange for that email.

    This will greatly make them appreciate the value (after you've built it up proportionally), as that is the only thing you would have control over if they get it for free (the value they place on it). Most of us know how much more we value something when we pay for it.

    However, it's not a bad idea at all if you can further make them desire you or your expertise and suggestions upon completing the book because now they know who to turn to and why.

    Another idea is to self-publish a physical book (it's getting cheaper these days) that they can order in addition for a modest amount. I know I prefer hard, tangible books in my hands, but that's not everyone.

    At the same time, a physical book would greatly increase your status as an expert and the pdf will be a great "addition". But again, all this you would have to test and let that be the judge, not me. (That might take a little more money however)

    And lastly, keep the mindset that YOU'RE the expert that's poured out in the book. It's not that the book the has all the answers into itself. Do that, and hopefully they'll come back to you for more answers (and hopefully a credit card in hand )
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  • Profile picture of the author VilPietersen@
    I'm all about building relationships, you could even give the book to the readers of your list for a discounted price, as nathan said, there's no point in giving something away if it can be sold, but at the same time like you said, you're trying to build stronger relationships.

    I think that if you give the readers fo your list the discounted price, you will still be gaining trust and forging the relationship you desire but at the same time getting paid. Which is ultimately what you want isn't it. (If not then obviously just give it away).

    Hope this was a fresh idea for you!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    After being nudged in the side, I would also like to add - the wife is always right.

    I wear the pants in the family! - (She just buys them.)
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander View Post

      After being nudged in the side, I would also like to add - the wife is always right.

      I wear the pants in the family! - (She just buys them.)
      Always good when a man knows who really wears the pants jk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Brierley
    I would add that in building stronger relationship the business model then infers that the profit is made at the back-end. I would make sure that the "subscription" forum will provide this profit. As Alexa has stated above, establishing a paid forum is difficult.

    Have you thought that with a list of 8000 that you could already start marketing to them.

    The busines model could then look something like, add chapters and tips & advice on a landing page and then finally offer the e-book as a bonus when the buyer takes up a subscritption. this uses the free and paid aspects of the e-book.

    Just a thought.

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  • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
    How many quality books in your local book shop are 200 pages long and are free?

    I would think none.

    Give people a teaser first to attract their interest and then sell your book.

    If your book is 200 pages of quality content - you are mad to give it away and hope people will then buy your next product.

    It de-values your work instantly.
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  • Profile picture of the author stma
    I didn't read all the posts here... been a long day. But have you considered putting it up on amazon as a print on demand book -- and of course offering the "digital" copy for free as bait for your newsletter?

    Lot's of folks want something they can hold onto - but your newsletter is where you want them. Best of both worlds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
    Gerard,

    I'm with your wife on this one. You already have a list of 8000; it's time to make some money. And if you get good conversion with that list (although I'd test different sales approaches with smaller segments of the list first), then you have the numbers to approach JV partners.

    By the way, you may want to test the copy on your site with some PPC first. I thought it was a bit weak. Too much about you. I had to scroll below the fold to see you start talking about your prospects.

    Also, what makes you different from all the other sellers of this kind of information? Can you put up a video or two with incredible AND simple tips that we haven't seen a thousand times before?

    Where are your testimonials? If your method is so surefire, can you prove it with someone other than yourself?

    Edit: I want to make it clear that the questions above were what I would think if I went to the site as a buyer. I'm not questioning Gerard's credibility or quality of information.

    Basically, entice them to want more and then SELL the book. If you're a resume writer and job search coach, isn't that what you're teaching your clients... how to sell their skills and themselves? Your clients aren't working for free, are they?

    I think too many people get caught up in the freebie mentality and then wonder why their lists of freebie-seekers don't convert.

    A few more points to consider...

    1. Why would you want to market affiliate products to your list when you can keep 100% of the profits from your own book? You can always backend the affiliate stuff for more revenue.

    2. I think you're overestimating how many people will pay for your writing services after receiving a free book. Plus with writing services and coaching, you're trading time for money (which limits your income). With sales of a book, you can make continuous income with no further time commitment on your part except for marketing (which you would have to do anyway with your writing services).

    3. You don't need to give away a book to get good media coverage. Just show you're an expert, give some good tips or even as I believe someone else suggested, create a hot short report out of your 200-page book, offer that for free to your radio listeners to build your list, and sell the book in the report.

    4. Forums can be labor-intensive and can become ghost towns very easily. Don't assume that people who get a book for free will pay to join a forum.

    I think your wife's right. But whatever you decide to do, good luck.

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
      Great points. Much to think about.

      I've built my entire business around free stuff since 2002, but have to admit that from a $ point of view only my very time intensive writing services have sold. Fairly well - I live/work where I want, have moved out into the country, work from home, wife doesn't work, etc.

      But have basically also burned out. HAVE to find a more passive income stream. Now.

      What I find is a factor in my market is how people aren't looking for advice - they just want a job - now - they'll opt every time for a job 'board' with 1000's of advertised opportunities instead of an 'advice' site. In addition, the topic of "job hunting" is really a 'grudge' interest and limited to the period they're actually job hunting.

      The mental state can also a big factor: people feel under pressure. Desperate. Scared. And resistant to paying anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
      Originally Posted by Popstar View Post

      Gerard,

      I'm with your wife on this one. You already have a list of 8000; it's time to make some money. And if you get good conversion with that list (although I'd test different sales approaches with smaller segments of the list first), then you have the numbers to approach JV partners.

      By the way, you may want to test the copy on your site with some PPC first. I thought it was a bit weak. Too much about you. I had to scroll below the fold to see you start talking about your prospects.

      Also, what makes you different from all the other sellers of this kind of information? Can you put up a video or two with incredible AND simple tips that we haven't seen a thousand times before?

      Where are your testimonials? If your method is so surefire, can you prove it with someone other than yourself?

      Edit: I want to make it clear that the questions above were what I would think if I went to the site as a buyer. I'm not questioning Gerard's credibility or quality of information.

      Basically, entice them to want more and then SELL the book. If you're a resume writer and job search coach, isn't that what you're teaching your clients... how to sell their skills and themselves? Your clients aren't working for free, are they?

      I think too many people get caught up in the freebie mentality and then wonder why their lists of freebie-seekers don't convert.

      A few more points to consider...

      1. Why would you want to market affiliate products to your list when you can keep 100% of the profits from your own book? You can always backend the affiliate stuff for more revenue.

      2. I think you're overestimating how many people will pay for your writing services after receiving a free book. Plus with writing services and coaching, you're trading time for money (which limits your income). With sales of a book, you can make continuous income with no further time commitment on your part except for marketing (which you would have to do anyway with your writing services).

      3. You don't need to give away a book to get good media coverage. Just show you're an expert, give some good tips or even as I believe someone else suggested, create a hot short report out of your 200-page book, offer that for free to your radio listeners to build your list, and sell the book in the report.

      4. Forums can be labor-intensive and can become ghost towns very easily. Don't assume that people who get a book for free will pay to join a forum.

      I think your wife's right. But whatever you decide to do, good luck.

      Debbie
      Thanks Debbie - great thoughts. Some hurt - but facing facts is always a tough job, especially when one has to change thinking. Love the way you ended off though - "whatever you decide to do, good luck"

      Am burned out writing resumes. Because of my marketing approach over the years I charge 3x what anyone else does in the country. But am a bit of a slave to be honest.

      So I just have to find a way to make this work. My big driver for "FREE" is getting fresh subscribers. Job hunters are not interested in the topic forever. So my 8000 strong list, although loyal, is a bit flattering. They're not ready buyers - they just have a "this may come in useful one day when I need it" mentality.

      Just saw your comment about starting a job board. You've provided really great input. I'm actually overwhelmed at the response to my posting. And you've been great. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Jordan
    Start by selling the book. Promote the heck out of it. When it looks like sales are starting to drop off, THEN use is as a free lead-in to some great backend programs. That way, people will have heard of you AND the book already, and will be eager to see what else you are offering.

    That's just my opinion, but it sounds like a good idea. Right?

    Good luck, which ever way you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I agree with your wife. After looking at your main site I'm assuming the book is loaded with excellent content because your site is. I'd bet you have a couple of tutorials in there, some special reports, and a whole lot of content for your site as well. How many giveaways and possible products might come from all of that content with just a few adjustments?

    Years ago I had the privilege of working for and learning from a New York Times best selling author who also marketed high-ticket training courses at live seminars. When he wrote a book, he'd sell each chapter at his seminars before the book was published. He'd get $10 each for them and people would line up to buy.

    Then the book would hit the stores and he'd turn as many chapters into mini-courses as possible. Then there were workbooks, and audio recordings. This guy marketed a single book in a dozen ways.

    I realize that most of us don't have such a venue as live seminars, but we can still spread some of that content around and get a lot more mileage from it than just a single giveaway. It's all in packaging, perceived value and perception. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
      Thanks Travelinguy will do some brainstorming around this right now.

      [quote/]Years ago I had the privilege of working for and learning from a New York Times best selling author who also marketed high-ticket training courses at live seminars. When he wrote a book, he'd sell each chapter at his seminars before the book was published. He'd get $10 each for them and people would line up to buy. [/quote]
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  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
    Your prospects are probably afraid to spend much money... understandably if they don't have a job.

    Have you ever thought of starting a job board? Then maybe you could use your book--or parts of it--to entice people to sign up. And you said you have the publicity angle covered with radio shows, etc.

    I think you may have found your passive income stream, if you're interested.

    Debbie
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  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
    Gerard,

    You were able to create a list of 8000 AND you know how to get offline publicity. Not many people can do that.

    Can you use those skills to go into a more evergreen niche?

    I can understand why you'd be burned out from resume writing. It's hard work for relatively low pay even if you charge a premium price.

    With your sales skills, you should consider moving into a more profitable area.

    It's not your skills that are the problem. It's your market... they don't like to spend.

    I apologize if any of my previous comments were hurtful. They weren't meant that way.

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
      Originally Posted by Popstar View Post

      Gerard,

      You were able to create a list of 8000 AND you know how to get offline publicity. Not many people can do that.

      Can you use those skills to go into a more evergreen niche?

      I can understand why you'd be burned out from resume writing. It's hard work for relatively low pay even if you charge a premium price.

      With your sales skills, you should consider moving into a more profitable area.

      It's not your skills that are the problem. It's your market... they don't like to spend.

      I apologize if any of my previous comments were hurtful. They weren't meant that way.

      Debbie
      Hi Debbie, you do know what a gift you have for seeing straight to the heart of the matter, don't you? I hope it's making you lots of money somewhere. I agree with your "market" point. Last year I did the "30 day challenge" and for a month immersed myself in researching my "niche" and came to the conclusion that I've chosen a tough market. Previously I did the same research via SiteBuildit - Ken Evoy's stuff. Same conclusion.

      Why do I persist? Once one is in it ... you know how it goes.

      Perhaps my forum idea is bad - good for job hunters, bad for me - very time consuming, draining (often job hunters are negative, desperate and really there's no quick fix for them).

      You've really made me think. And pointed to things that perhaps it's taken me years to realise. One falls in love with one's business idea. But "where to from here" is also a bit scary.

      BTW - your comments "hurt", the weren't "hurtful"! It means they hit home.
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  • Profile picture of the author Texas_Guns
    Yes. It works. Often very well.

    Even giving away the book, with
    the right upsell package, each
    book you give away could earn
    you as much as $100 per person
    who grabs a copy or more.

    It's all in the upsell process.

    We just did a launch for a client
    and every person who grabbed
    a copy of the book was worth
    $100 thanks to the multi-step
    upsell funnel we put in place.

    Something to consider...
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  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
    Gerard,

    If you go into the right market, you could become my competitor. I'm not stupid enough to say more, lol.

    Think about it. It's staring you in the face.

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
      Originally Posted by Popstar View Post

      Gerard,

      If you go into the right market, you could become my competitor. I'm not stupid enough to say more, lol.

      Think about it. It's staring you in the face.

      Debbie
      Debbie - I feel FAR, FAR, from being stared in the face by my solution right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Harvey
    In answer to your question, here are my thoughts: why not write a synopsis of the book in a report format, highlighting the essential points of the book and use that as a giveaway. Then if the content is interesting to people, based on your 8 or 10 page report, then offer it as a product for X or Y amount of money.
    Just my thought, I think giving away your intellectual content will probably not be appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author gerardleroux
      Originally Posted by Tom Harvey View Post

      In answer to your question, here are my thoughts: why not write a synopsis of the book in a report format, highlighting the essential points of the book and use that as a giveaway. Then if the content is interesting to people, based on your 8 or 10 page report, then offer it as a product for X or Y amount of money.
      Just my thought, I think giving away your intellectual content will probably not be appreciated.
      Hi Tom, thanks for your comment. You make a great point. I just have this feeling that I want to so over deliver, I want to blow people away with it. And don't feel a short report will do that. I know how give-aways can be unappreciated and undervalued but I like the idea of saying: "hey, I've really bent over backwards to help you, now I'm asking you to join my support group for a small fee."

      The free thing I know will attract a lot of publicity (from previous experience I know this) and will result in many new subscribers/email addresses. My worry of course is that no-one will join the support group. And then I've gone and given away my other potential income stream (the book itself).

      Thanks again for your idea. It's making me think. Much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
    Hi Gerard,

    Just stopped by for a quick visit and got your "dramatic" PM. I'll give you my thoughts as to how you might reposition your skills into a more profitable niche.

    By the way, I didn't realize you were in South Africa. Only you'll know if my suggestions will work for you... or if you have any interest in them.

    You wouldn't be a direct competitor and even if you were, I'm not scared to take you on. Now I know how quickly you crack, lol. (I'm just kidding, by the way.)

    Give me a few moments to compose an answer and I'll PM you. I'll be off this thread from here on.

    Debbie
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8
    I am not so sure having a paid forum is the best way to approach this. Afterall, these are people that are (well most of them) out of work. So paying for something on a monthly basis is not something they are looking to add to their expenses. Even if they did, once they get a job, they will want to cancel.

    If you do have some sort of paid service, consider testing different pricing models. Maybe do a weekly or bi-weekly thing. Or, perhaps just a one time fee is best. This way they don't have to worry about canceling when they get a job.

    Of course the best way to find out which model is best is to test.

    Hmm, if only there was a way to ASK people what THEY would like to see. Oh wait a second, you have a list of 8,000 people!!
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