15 things you didnt know that Google knows about YOU!

by Joe118
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Well, I'm not trying to start a flame war, we all love big-G even if they make us do "strange" things to get our websites listed in their search engine, but...

Did you ever consider how much power Google really has? Well, they say information is power, so ... Here's a glimpse of the enormous amount of information that big-G has about YOU, and who you really are (hint: even your spouse may not know some of these things ).

  1. Everything you search for. Well d'oh.
  2. Which websites you clicked on from the search results.
  3. How fast you read -- yes, they track how long you stayed on the search results page.
  4. What language you read, what city you're in, which ISP you use, who is your employer (if you use the same computer from work and home).
  5. All the webpages you visit. They know this in two ways. First of all, if you visit one site with adsense on it, and then visit another site with adsense on it, Google knows you're the same person. Second, if you have Google Toolbar installed and you enabled PR display, Google knows about *every* page you visit.
  6. All the alerts you set, Google knows about, and can infer things about you like what topics and keywords you are interested in.
  7. If you read Google News, then Google knows about that, and what news items you read.
  8. If you watch videos on YouTube, Google knows your taste in videos. Do you like young cheerleaders? Google knows that. Your spouse may not know that
  9. If you visit any blogs on blogspot, Google knows. You like to read about English soccer teams? Google knows.
  10. If you have an adwords or adsense account, Google knows your financial information.
  11. If you use gmail, Google knows every word you wrote in email, to whom, which messages you read and when, and who you get email from -- even if the email is supposedly private.
  12. If you use Google Docs, every document you store in there is saved by Google and cannot be easily deleted -- they have backups.
  13. If you use Google Calendar, then Google knows where you are and when, and whom you are meeting, and the subject of every meeting you record in your calendar.
  14. If you have a Google Webmaster account, you are giving Google information about every website you put in there. Google can infer information about your business, personal interests, and your skills as a webmaster.
  15. Recently Google started forcing people to verify gmail accounts through SMS. Now Google correlates the owner of a gmail account with a cell phone number.
And I'll skip the more alarming ways in which Google can know stuff about you: if you use Google Health, you give Google information that can be valuable for insurance purposes. If you use Google Chrome (their browser) you are an open book for Google.

OK if you've made it thus far into my post, I'll ask the question that's on my mind after all of the above:

Does Google have too much power, in your opinion?

Your comments and opinions are very very welcome!
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  • Profile picture of the author Red_Virus
    Google is Skynet ! Google also access to your voicemail with Google Voice and they just had a big acquisition deal yesterday for mobile advertising platform so what is coming next ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Heh, you're right, I had missed that.

      Here's another three to scare you some more:

      1. After the dot-com bust, Google bought up a lot of dark fiber in the US. Its a good chance that some of your net traffic goes over Google-owned networks..
      2. Google offers free wifi in several cities, e.g. Mountain View in California. Hmmm... so they know everything you looked at on your computer, every IM you sent to any of your acquaintances, and every illegal download you did during the time you were on their "free" wifi.
      3. Do you use gtalk? Again, Google knows every word you wrote to all of your contacts.
      And so on.
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        Originally Posted by lumbardi View Post

        that why you need a good proxy service if you need a privacy.

        I suggest make a IP chain it is harder to track.
        Tor and privoxy works wonders ... don't take my word for it! It's free ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Brierley
    Yeah. I would agree that the new big brother is "G". However how can a single person go against the flow that is the "G". I am thinking probably not so maybe masking your your idn=entity is the next big thing.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      I keep wondering when we'll need the help of John Conner to fight the GoogleBots that are intent on wiping out mankind.
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      • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
        Who cares, I have nothing to hide :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
          As the feds have been having a field day getting info from isp's all over the states, it would not surprise me to know the feds have access to big G's information about you as well!
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        • Profile picture of the author jazbo
          I do!

          Actually I don't but, if I want to surf porn or whatever, I want to do so without fearing that my habits etc are being logged somewhere - whatever I am surfing for.

          Google is far, far to powerful and anyone involved in SEO will know that the constant hoop-jumping with no hard information on why we are jumping through the hoops, is a clear sign things have gone too far.

          Lets hope Bingoo can challenge their position and give them more pause for thought.

          Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

          Who cares, I have nothing to hide :p
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          • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
            Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

            I do!

            Actually I don't but, if I want to surf porn or whatever, I want to do so without fearing that my habits etc are being logged somewhere - whatever I am surfing for.

            Google is far, far to powerful and anyone involved in SEO will know that the constant hoop-jumping with no hard information on why we are jumping through the hoops, is a clear sign things have gone too far.

            Lets hope Bingoo can challenge their position and give them more pause for thought.
            LOL
            anyway you shouldn't give a damn. It's not like they are releasing this info to the public, right?
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            • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
              Originally Posted by KatyaSenina View Post

              LOL
              anyway you shouldn't give a damn. It's not like they are releasing this info to the public, right?
              Not until a government agency gets a warrant for the data or a lawyer in a civil case needs to get dirt on you and petitions for the data to be used as evidence in court.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe118
            Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

            I do!

            Actually I don't but, if I want to surf porn or whatever, I want to do so without fearing that my habits etc are being logged somewhere - whatever I am surfing for.

            Google is far, far to powerful and anyone involved in SEO will know that the constant hoop-jumping with no hard information on why we are jumping through the hoops, is a clear sign things have gone too far.

            Lets hope Bingoo can challenge their position and give them more pause for thought.
            You nailed it, sir.

            And just to clarify, when I said the OP that "Google knows", that's short hand for "Google has access to the information". In other words, I don't know for a fact that Google actively *collects* and *analyzes* the information. But you gotta wonder.

            And to the people who say "I don't care, I don't have anything to hide": People who used to consume alcohol before prohibition became the law in the US had nothing to hide, they didn't violate the law at the time. But once prohibition became the law, if an information database such as Google has access to (again, don't know that they're actively building it) would have been an all too attractive source of information for identifying who is likely to violate the law. Another example: surfing porn may not be illegal today, but if your prospective employer knew, would that increase or decrease the likelyhood that you'd be hired? A medical example: if you're out of work and looking to buy private health insurance, is it likely that information that is available to the health insurance company will influence the decision whether to insure you?

            The real problem is the concentration of information in one place. I don't really have a problem disclosing potentially private and none-of-your-business information to someone to gain access to their service. But if that same entity is my search engine, my email provider, my VOIP provider, my news provider, my video and entertainment provider, my calendar provider, my online document storer, my advertising agency, my mobile phone provider, and my network (wireless and wired) provider -- then I'm a little alarmed.
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        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        I keep wondering when we'll need the help of John Conner to fight the GoogleBots that are intent on wiping out mankind.
        They're heeeeere!


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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      I assume that whenever I use a publicly available service there will be record of some sort and that doesn't much bother me.
      For a man who has to be dragged out of the gutter behind the cantina at least once a week and hosed down, there really isn't much to hide.
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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

          I still got a bottle of Wild Turkey you'll never find and neither will Google...
          I have to question the ethics of a man who keeps a wild turkey in a bottle

          LMAO @ The Topic being discussed...

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        • Profile picture of the author druwainwright
          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

          I still got a bottle of Wild Turkey you'll never find and neither will Google...

          LOL Its becoming more and more like an episode of 24 everyday
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    • Profile picture of the author nota-bene
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Maybe I'm the odd guy out here, but really, who cares? I'm not an "Extremist" when it comes to privacy issues...I assume that whenever I use a publicly available service there will be record of some sort and that doesn't much bother me.

      From a business perspective, if that data helps them to continue to grow and offer a higher level of service, I'm all for it. After all, isn't that what we all try to do?

      From the issue of ISP's sharing data with the FBI or other agencies, I'm all for that too - I've got nothing to hide and quite honestly, I'd rather give up a little privacy if there's a chance it'll stop a terrorist, kiddie porn or whatever.

      Did you ever wonder how much info your telehpone or mobile carrier has about you? Or the folks with the wireless networks out there could be accumulating? Hell, even your cable company could be tracking data about you that you might not be aware of.

      I'm not saying real privacy isn't important, but no one can really escape the fact that if they choose to interact online, some information about them will always be tracked on one level or another.
      Word for word, I agree with you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Maybe I'm the odd guy out here, but really, who cares? I'm not an "Extremist" when it comes to privacy issues...I assume that whenever I use a publicly available service there will be record of some sort and that doesn't much bother me.

      From a business perspective, if that data helps them to continue to grow and offer a higher level of service, I'm all for it. After all, isn't that what we all try to do?

      From the issue of ISP's sharing data with the FBI or other agencies, I'm all for that too - I've got nothing to hide and quite honestly, I'd rather give up a little privacy if there's a chance it'll stop a terrorist, kiddie porn or whatever.

      Did you ever wonder how much info your telehpone or mobile carrier has about you? Or the folks with the wireless networks out there could be accumulating? Hell, even your cable company could be tracking data about you that you might not be aware of.

      I'm not saying real privacy isn't important, but no one can really escape the fact that if they choose to interact online, some information about them will always be tracked on one level or another.
      Dont forget the banks who supply your debit and credit cards, they know what you buy and where you go
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    google still writes the checks..


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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    When a customer buys from my company:

    I know if they are male or female.
    I know their first name.
    I know their last name.
    I know their address.
    I know if they live in a wealthy area.
    I know what they are interested in.
    I know what propblem they are trying to solve.
    I know if they have bought before.
    I know their telephone number.
    I know their credit card details.
    I know their bank account details.
    I know what their favourite TV program is.

    Ok maybe the last one is an exaggeration. The rest isn't.

    Perhaps this sounds a little scary, but in this age, it is a fact of life, unless you physically pay for something in cash.

    I'm sure it is exactly how Big Brother wants it to be.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    1. Everything you search for. Well d'oh.

    * I do not use google for my search engine to find stuff

    2. Which websites you clicked on from the search results.

    * I click none

    4. What language you read, what city you're in, which ISP you use, who is your employer (if you use the same computer from work and home).

    * No way to tell what city I am from (ISP says I live in north carolina)

    5. All the webpages you visit. They know this in two ways. First of all, if you visit one site with adsense on it, and then visit another site with adsense on it, Google knows you're the same person. Second, if you have Google Toolbar installed and you enabled PR display, Google knows about *every* page you visit.

    * They have no idea if you are the same person, they can only track agent/ip and nothing more

    6. All the alerts you set, Google knows about, and can infer things about you like what topics and keywords you are interested in.

    * Don't setup any

    7. If you read Google News, then Google knows about that, and what news items you read.

    * Don't read it

    8. If you watch videos on YouTube, Google knows your taste in videos. Do you like young cheerleaders? Google knows that. Your spouse may not know that

    * Watch as little as possible

    9. If you visit any blogs on blogspot, Google knows. You like to read about English soccer teams? Google knows.

    * They have no idea who I am a million other people have the same ip/agent that I have. Besides that I do not have any bloodspot blogs and have only visited 3 in my entire life

    10. If you have an adwords or adsense account, Google knows your financial information.

    * Don't use and have never entered any financial info on google's site

    11. If you use gmail, Google knows every word you wrote in email, to whom, which messages you read and when, and who you get email from -- even if the email is supposedly private.

    * I use my own server mail

    12. If you use Google Docs, every document you store in there is saved by Google and cannot be easily deleted -- they have backups.

    * Don't use

    13. If you use Google Calendar, then Google knows where you are and when, and whom you are meeting, and the subject of every meeting you record in your calendar.

    * Don't use

    14. If you have a Google Webmaster account, you are giving Google information about every website you put in there. Google can infer information about your business, personal interests, and your skills as a webmaster.

    * Don't use

    15. Recently Google started forcing people to verify gmail accounts through SMS. Now Google correlates the owner of a gmail account with a cell phone number.

    * Don't use

    Gee .. Google is tuff out of luck here.. Besides that point, they have no idea who I am anyways. I could very well be a bot programmed to do all the above task. This is what AI is for (although not perfected but anyone can create a bot to do all the above).

    Besides that I agree with KatyaSenina - Who Cares, I have nothing to hide ...

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    • Profile picture of the author Syndicator
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      1. Everything you search for. Well d'oh.

      * I do not use google for my search engine to find stuff

      2. Which websites you clicked on from the search results.

      * I click none

      4. What language you read, what city you're in, which ISP you use, who is your employer (if you use the same computer from work and home).

      * No way to tell what city I am from (ISP says I live in north carolina)

      5. All the webpages you visit. They know this in two ways. First of all, if you visit one site with adsense on it, and then visit another site with adsense on it, Google knows you're the same person. Second, if you have Google Toolbar installed and you enabled PR display, Google knows about *every* page you visit.

      * They have no idea if you are the same person, they can only track agent/ip and nothing more

      6. All the alerts you set, Google knows about, and can infer things about you like what topics and keywords you are interested in.

      * Don't setup any

      7. If you read Google News, then Google knows about that, and what news items you read.

      * Don't read it

      8. If you watch videos on YouTube, Google knows your taste in videos. Do you like young cheerleaders? Google knows that. Your spouse may not know that

      * Watch as little as possible

      9. If you visit any blogs on blogspot, Google knows. You like to read about English soccer teams? Google knows.

      * They have no idea who I am a million other people have the same ip/agent that I have. Besides that I do not have any bloodspot blogs and have only visited 3 in my entire life

      10. If you have an adwords or adsense account, Google knows your financial information.

      * Don't use and have never entered any financial info on google's site

      11. If you use gmail, Google knows every word you wrote in email, to whom, which messages you read and when, and who you get email from -- even if the email is supposedly private.

      * I use my own server mail

      12. If you use Google Docs, every document you store in there is saved by Google and cannot be easily deleted -- they have backups.

      * Don't use

      13. If you use Google Calendar, then Google knows where you are and when, and whom you are meeting, and the subject of every meeting you record in your calendar.

      * Don't use

      14. If you have a Google Webmaster account, you are giving Google information about every website you put in there. Google can infer information about your business, personal interests, and your skills as a webmaster.

      * Don't use

      15. Recently Google started forcing people to verify gmail accounts through SMS. Now Google correlates the owner of a gmail account with a cell phone number.

      * Don't use

      Gee .. Google is tuff out of luck here.. Besides that point, they have no idea who I am anyways. I could very well be a bot programmed to do all the above task. This is what AI is for (although not perfected but anyone can create a bot to do all the above).

      Besides that I agree with KatyaSenina - Who Cares, I have nothing to hide ...

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Yep, there's always a tradeoff. We want information and they want information. We love the tools Google provides because it makes our lives easier and more effective as marketers. In return they get to track our online habits to the letter.

    Even so, I wonder how much evidence there is that Goog uses the info they get. I mean, talk about detailed profiles of people. The information they have is tremendous. I wonder exactly what they do to put it to use. Thanks for the lowdown.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I think one of the biggest take aways from this is that Google is a BUSINESS and does things that are in ITS best interest.

    They are not, nor have the ever been, Santa Claus. On the other hand, they aren't Scrooge either. Also, it's not like they are the only ones collecting information. At least we know some of the things they're doing. Think about all of the data that's collected about you online that you have NO idea about.

    One other thought: If they didn't track ANYTHING their search results would be total c-r-a-p (excuse the language).

    Finally, I do think these things are important to at least be aware of. What you do once you are aware is up tp you.

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  • From a personal perspective, Google doesn't scare me as much as Facebook. Facebook knows your friends, your real life, has pictures of you. If Facebook were weaponized, they could seriously mess with some people's heads and lives.

    The power Google has is over the Internet. They basically decide what lives and dies. That's a ton of power, the power to control the flow of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah09
    What language you read, what city you're in, which ISP you use, who is your employer (if you use the same computer from work and home).
    Yeah I know about this. But I when I was working in outsourcing company last year, they are using hide IP software.. I'm just curious if Google still know about it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

    1. Recently Google started forcing people to verify gmail accounts through SMS. Now Google correlates the owner of a gmail account with a cell phone number.
    Doesn't happen here.

    Must be an American thing?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      bThese days if you want total privacy, you go off the grid.

      If you want to use google's (free) services such as gmail, etc - you give up some information to do it.

      If google wants to follow me around online, that's fine - but the poor little bot will probably be bored to death before long.

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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        bThese days if you want total privacy, you go off the grid.

        If you want to use google's (free) services such as gmail, etc - you give up some information to do it.

        If google wants to follow me around online, that's fine - but the poor little bot will probably be bored to death before long.

        kay
        Can I follow you around Kay, I might learn a few things .... Just can't help but wonder what you have taught Google ...

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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        bThese days if you want total privacy, you go off the grid.

        If you want to use google's (free) services such as gmail, etc - you give up some information to do it.

        If google wants to follow me around online, that's fine - but the poor little bot will probably be bored to death before long.

        kay

        or you could just use a proxy
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    After reading the OP the first thing that came to my mind was a thread started a while ago - reminding us there is a real world out there, don't confuse WF and the IM with it

    And if you think that going offline would protect your absolute privacy... think again.

    Let me tell you a story. Will try to be brief but sometimes it's difficult. OK, here itgoes.

    I spent about two decades of my adult life on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain in a Communist dictatorship. I wasn't among the 'good guys' so a state security officer (a major) has been assigned to keep on eye on me. My phone was intercepted, my mail was opened, my friends were recruited to spy on me etc. It wasn't fun. However, they could not follow you everywhere all the time - so, from time to time you could have a break.

    Fast forward a few years. New life in Canada: real freedom, civic liberties, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, no more surveillance... actually, nobody really cares what you do.

    So, one day I met an ex-sweetheart, still beautiful as she was 15 years earlier and we go on a romantic trip to Western Europe. Germany, Italy (Venice, of course), Switzerland - all the nice places. It was before the euro era, so each country had its own currency. I couldn't keep up with all those different bills amd coins - so I started to pay everywhere with my only credit card. (Even today I still have only just that one CC.)

    Next month when the statement came from my bank I could follow exactly where I was and what I did:
    - entering the highway and paying the toll (entered X point; exited Y point)
    - dinner in ABC restaurant
    - slept in XYZ hotel
    - bought gas at 123 gas station

    Basically, my whole trip with every details was on that CC statement. Not my online surfing, like watching funny youtube videos... My real life!

    I think my "comrade major" wold have been envious seeing how easy it was. It is still a mystery why those idiotic dictators didn't let us to have credit cards
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      I think my "comrade major" wold have been envious seeing how easy it was. It is still a mystery why those idiotic dictators didn't let us to have credit cards
      I'm rolling on the floor laughing at the Major.

      As far as this thread, folks focus one thing. They just don't stop to look at all the other paths data can take and be intercepted.
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  • Profile picture of the author natscash
    yup, big brother is watching. It don't matter. You should not be doing any thing "wrong anyways".
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Istvan has a great point - what you do in real life can be tracked as easily as what you do online.

      One of my wife's cousins is married to a police detective. He once said that among the most important tools they had were credit cards, cell phones and big mouths.

      A large number of criminal cases are solved when the perp brags about what they did to the wrong person. Or makes a video about it.

      When someone they're interested in goes missing, the first thing they do is monitor the credit cards and cell phones. As Istvan said, you can follow someone by their transactions. If you're the police, you can do it in almost real time.

      Google might be able to dig up a lot of information about you, but most of it is the same information already available for a fee from your bank, credit card company, utility company, and even your state and local government.

      Read the privacy policies that they all send out. I'll wait while you dig out the magnifier...

      See all those references to affiliated companies, partners and such? That's the folks already buying your information.

      Besides, my wife already reminds me to record "DCC: Making the Squad" on Saturdays...

      I'll be keeping an eye on the Google paranoia, though. Maybe start a new venture recycling tinfoil hats into tinfoil gloves or keyboard covers...:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Istvan has a great point - what you do in real life can be tracked as easily as what you do online.
        Some time back, Nike and Apple had this neat little thing where you could track your workouts with little transmitters in your shoes.

        Some enterprising hacker generated a lot of hysteria by pointing out that someone could identify your location with a properly configured laptop placed within about 120 feet!

        Because, you know, someone can't very well just look over and SEE YOU if you're 120 feet away. Let alone, say, take a picture. It's much simpler to write a bunch of code that identifies your shoes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Because, you know, someone can't very well just look over and SEE YOU if you're 120 feet away. Let alone, say, take a picture. It's much simpler to write a bunch of code that identifies your shoes.
          It's like those watches that are built to survive going to the bottom of the ocean.

          You'll know your exact time of death

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        • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
          Google CEO Eric Schmidt stated the company philosophy on the
          Charlie Rose show on June 3, 2005 -

          "Search is a force for peace and a better world.
          Google will reveal how everybody lives and thinks
          and speaks and looks
          and that is beneficial to world peace.
          Societies get along better when they know/see/hear more about each other."

          The hive mind, a work in progress. Whatever happened to individuality?
          Constant surveillance reduces you to less than a number, hardly a point
          on a statistical curve. Non entities do not have the right to make
          judgments about themselves, so no "I have nothing to hide". That will be
          decided for you. Such is life under surveillance.

          Interesting that Schmidt didn't simply say "Resistance is Futile!"

          It doesn't really matter, so few individuals actually exist. Most just do what
          everyone else does.
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  • Profile picture of the author loenex
    I'm not scared. Just want to be sure if all information about me is safe and secured.
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  • Profile picture of the author CliveG
    Isn't it a marketers job to find out as much as possible about prospects? Don't we all do it, if on a somewhat smaller scale?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Maybe Google's next plan is to recruit US Citizens to overthrow their own government
    just like the colonists did to the British a couple hundred years ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Maybe Google's next plan is to recruit US Citizens to overthrow their own government
      just like the colonists did to the British a couple hundred years ago.
      Nah this is the 21st Century ... They will use Bots to do that ... This is what SkyNet is for ...

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author SMS
        Interesting thread here.

        Ten years ago people were worried about the 'digital power' that Microsoft had. But that pales into insignificance when compared to the Gee Monster.

        BTW... You forgot Google Earth. Google knows who my window cleaner is... who my Milk Delivery man is... How many times I throw stones at the neighbour's cat everyday...

        Hmm...
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        • Profile picture of the author klickgablow
          Originally Posted by SMS View Post

          Interesting thread here.

          Ten years ago people were worried about the 'digital power' that Microsoft had. But that pales into insignificance when compared to the Gee Monster.

          BTW... You forgot Google Earth. Google knows who my window cleaner is... who my Milk Delivery man is... How many times I throw stones at the neighbor's cat everyday...

          Hmm...
          They also know that you like to sun bathe naked in your back yard and they're not to happy about it either.

          It wouldn't be a bad thing if they suggested to you that your window cleaner missed a spot or that the milk man wasn't only "dropping" off the milk -if you know what I mean.

          One only needs to REALLY worry about Google Earth when they start showing you targeted ads on "how to throw stones at cats" on your default search page.

          If you think Google was the first mob to put eyes in the sky and start tracking then you're mistaken. There are other, more sinister organizations out there that have been doing this for a very long time.

          ISPs have had the ability to track very high levels of data for a very long time but because they're out of sight, they're out of mind. We don't give them much of a second thought.

          If you're online then you are exposed.

          Interesting thread...
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Maybe Google's next plan is to recruit US Citizens to overthrow their own government
      just like the colonists did to the British a couple hundred years ago.
      Naah... Eric Schmidt is a Obama fawning NWO oligarch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Well the real truth is that your right to privacy, in the way that people choose to define it,
    is a myth in the first place. At least in the U.S.

    The Constitution does not protect your information from being gathered.

    It protects you from how your personal information is used against you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Well the real truth is that your right to privacy, in the way that people choose to define it,
      is a myth in the first place. At least in the U.S.

      The Constitution does not protect your information from being gathered.

      It protects you from how your personal information is used against you.

      Matt
      That's not entirely correct. The constitution protects you from how the information may be used against you by government agencies. There had to be laws made (e.g. civil rights act, housing equal oppty rights, etc etc) to ensure that companies and non-governmental agencies also respect the same principle.
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    If i was ever team captain im Picking Google 1st
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baxter
    Great Post! Lol I'm sort of with James on this one. I usually don't do any of the above things in order for them to retrieve information.

    My 0.02
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

      And to the people who say "I don't care, I don't have anything to hide": People who used to consume alcohol before prohibition became the law in the US had nothing to hide, they didn't violate the law at the time. But once prohibition became the law, if an information database such as Google has access to (again, don't know that they're actively building it) would have been an all too attractive source of information for identifying who is likely to violate the law. Another example: surfing porn may not be illegal today, but if your prospective employer knew, would that increase or decrease the likelyhood that you'd be hired? A medical example: if you're out of work and looking to buy private health insurance, is it likely that information that is available to the health insurance company will influence the decision whether to insure you?
      Re: prohibition...

      You wouldn't need Google. All you would need is access to credit card records to see who is buying booze.

      Re: surfing porn...

      That one might bite you in the butt, whether it's illegal or not. There was a furor several years ago that video rental stores would make rental records available, thus revealing who rented adult movies. That drove many porn aficionados online.

      More potentially career threatening than looking at dirty movies is what you personally publish. Look what happened to that hot chick on American Idol who got in hot water for some wet t-shirt photos on her MySpace page. They were considering booting her from the show when she got voted out anyway.

      Re: buying private health insurance...

      Again, that information is already available for a price. And it definitely affects your ability to buy insurance. Your credit rating affects how much you pay, even if they do decide to insure you.

      None of those require Google's involvement to affect your life.

      The truth is, most of us are likely too boring to keep individual track of...
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe118
        Listen you dont seem to get it. Of course I dont need Google for this or that to bite me. It's the fact that Google has (access to) *all* of this information about me that jynxes me. I know there are other ways in which surfing porn can get you, etc.

        The point was (and is) whether you think Google has too much information about you all in one place...

        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Re: prohibition...

        You wouldn't need Google. All you would need is access to credit card records to see who is buying booze.

        Re: surfing porn...

        That one might bite you in the butt, whether it's illegal or not. There was a furor several years ago that video rental stores would make rental records available, thus revealing who rented adult movies. That drove many porn aficionados online.

        More potentially career threatening than looking at dirty movies is what you personally publish. Look what happened to that hot chick on American Idol who got in hot water for some wet t-shirt photos on her MySpace page. They were considering booting her from the show when she got voted out anyway.

        Re: buying private health insurance...

        Again, that information is already available for a price. And it definitely affects your ability to buy insurance. Your credit rating affects how much you pay, even if they do decide to insure you.

        None of those require Google's involvement to affect your life.

        The truth is, most of us are likely too boring to keep individual track of...
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        • Profile picture of the author reapr
          Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

          Listen you dont seem to get it. Of course I dont need Google for this or that to bite me. It's the fact that Google has (access to) *all* of this information about me that jynxes me. I know there are other ways in which surfing porn can get you, etc.

          The point was (and is) whether you think Google has too much information about you all in one place...
          I do get it! It is not rocket science ... even though I have one of those degrees on paper floating around somewhere. Opps wrong again just took a dump.

          My point is common sense dictates that if it bothered me that much I would either donate my computer to 'big mike' or burn it then log of the internet forever and go into hiding in some Tibetan monastery in fear that the google bots will hunt me down and kill me!
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          • Profile picture of the author melanied
            I agree with Big Mike - while my privacy is important to me, thus far (when you examine my actions) it hasn't proven to be as important as availing myself of public services like Google - or any search engine, for that matter.

            I'm FAR from off the grid!
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            • Profile picture of the author cdog
              Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

              The real problem is the concentration of information in one place. I don't really have a problem disclosing potentially private and none-of-your-business information to someone to gain access to their service. But if that same entity is my search engine, my email provider, my VOIP provider, my news provider, my video and entertainment provider, my calendar provider, my online document storer, my advertising agency, my mobile phone provider, and my network (wireless and wired) provider -- then I'm a little alarmed.
              I understand you Joe118. I used to work for a government agency. Not the one listed below. The amount of sheer private information we have on everyone in one place is crazy. The things we did (they continue to do) to collect that information would surprise the hell out of you and any conspiracy theorist. The ongoing collection of the info via the internet, satellites, banks, monitoring wireless services, and companies that are associated with the government is crazy.

              You see Google has been in this information collecting game a long time folks. When I was in the military I belonged to unit called Criminal Investigation Task Force (CITF). Here is a link to the wikipedia page Criminal Investigation Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Small summary just in case you don't want to click:

              The CITF is a military unit made up of members from all the branches of the U.S. armed forces. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID), the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI). In military, and law enforcement agencies, "Task Forces" are temporary organizations created to conduct a specialized mission or task. Members of "Joint Task Forces" such as the CITF are drawn from many different units.

              The CITF has operated worldwide and has conducted over 1500 investigations and 10,000 interviews, and has collected evidence both in places where persons were captured and elsewhere. The results of CITF investigations has been used in military tribunals at the Guantánamo Bay detainment camp and quasi-legal proceedings in Afghanistan and Iraq.[1]. The CITF has provided evidence to Iraqi Courts to prosecute insurgents and foreign fighters captured in Iraq for crimes there.
              When this group started it was classified Top Secret. We wore civilian clothes. We did not have to dress professional. As a matter of fact we looked like a bunch of in shape internet marketers working at home everyday. One tool we used to collect intel was Google . There was so much information we could extract from Google it was ridiculous. Now that's before all the other services Google offers.

              You see no one cared just like a lot of you in this thread :confused:. When we knocked on your door with information that was not given to us by you, people perception started to change. You didn't care until we came knocking. Once again concentration of information. We used one source. A lot of info about you is stored in one place.

              See government agencies don't get along folks. Agencies hate to share intel with each other unless it's going to help that particular agency. We did not share information because of the concentration of information. No agency wanted the other to have all the information. Even though it was for the same cause.

              Now you have Google who is offering all these great services for free in exchange for your life. Yes folks your life. You know you can pickup, leave your hometown move to another state. Lose touch with friends and contacts in your hometown.

              They might not ever know where you live, that you got married, have kids, etc.. Get to that new state and settle in. Guess what Google a freaking search engine knows . Concentration of Information.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

          Listen you dont seem to get it. Of course I dont need Google for this or that to bite me. It's the fact that Google has (access to) *all* of this information about me that jynxes me. I know there are other ways in which surfing porn can get you, etc.

          The point was (and is) whether you think Google has too much information about you all in one place...
          Sorry, Joe, but I DO get it. I just don't happen to agree with you.

          So if you are looking for an exact answer to your question...

          NO

          What promised to be an interesting discussion has turned into one of those "agree with me or you're a fool" threads, so I'm outta here...
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe118
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Sorry, Joe, but I DO get it. I just don't happen to agree with you.

            So if you are looking for an exact answer to your question...

            NO

            What promised to be an interesting discussion has turned into one of those "agree with me or you're a fool" threads, so I'm outta here...
            I for one didnt call you any names.
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  • Profile picture of the author reapr
    Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

    Well, I'm not trying to start a flame war, we all love big-G even if they make us do "strange" things to get our websites listed in their search engine, but...

    Did you ever consider how much power Google really has? Well, they say information is power, so ... Here's a glimpse of the enormous amount of information that big-G has about YOU, and who you really are (hint: even your spouse may not know some of these things ).

    1. Everything you search for. Well d'oh.
    2. Which websites you clicked on from the search results.
    3. How fast you read -- yes, they track how long you stayed on the search results page.
    4. What language you read, what city you're in, which ISP you use, who is your employer (if you use the same computer from work and home).
    5. All the webpages you visit. They know this in two ways. First of all, if you visit one site with adsense on it, and then visit another site with adsense on it, Google knows you're the same person. Second, if you have Google Toolbar installed and you enabled PR display, Google knows about *every* page you visit.
    6. All the alerts you set, Google knows about, and can infer things about you like what topics and keywords you are interested in.
    7. If you read Google News, then Google knows about that, and what news items you read.
    8. If you watch videos on YouTube, Google knows your taste in videos. Do you like young cheerleaders? Google knows that. Your spouse may not know that
    9. If you visit any blogs on blogspot, Google knows. You like to read about English soccer teams? Google knows.
    10. If you have an adwords or adsense account, Google knows your financial information.
    11. If you use gmail, Google knows every word you wrote in email, to whom, which messages you read and when, and who you get email from -- even if the email is supposedly private.
    12. If you use Google Docs, every document you store in there is saved by Google and cannot be easily deleted -- they have backups.
    13. If you use Google Calendar, then Google knows where you are and when, and whom you are meeting, and the subject of every meeting you record in your calendar.
    14. If you have a Google Webmaster account, you are giving Google information about every website you put in there. Google can infer information about your business, personal interests, and your skills as a webmaster.
    15. Recently Google started forcing people to verify gmail accounts through SMS. Now Google correlates the owner of a gmail account with a cell phone number.
    And I'll skip the more alarming ways in which Google can know stuff about you: if you use Google Health, you give Google information that can be valuable for insurance purposes. If you use Google Chrome (their browser) you are an open book for Google.

    OK if you've made it thus far into my post, I'll ask the question that's on my mind after all of the above:

    Does Google have too much power, in your opinion?

    Your comments and opinions are very very welcome!
    I was looking at number 8 and so if I said my sexual prefernces were many ... google could call me on it? I mean my wife knows my door swings one way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davmac40
    Eventually big G will fall foul of privacy laws; if they do not already do so and a massive class action will evolve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Yeah Google knows all this, but Sears was fined a ton of money a few weeks ago for doing the same thing......so some win and some loose, just depends who controls the biggest part of the world !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ayres
      And, now that they are getting in on the DNS game, they know even MORE about your website!
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    • Profile picture of the author abdin66
      I always liked to believe that someone was watching us... unfortunately it was usually the Government but now big G has taken over that role more effectively.

      I have heard that quote about G as Skynet a few times now and it may be more prophetic than we want to believe.

      Can many of us operate our online businesses better, more efficiently or profitably without G? I don't know!

      Someone more intelligent than I once said that 'Nature abhors a vacuum'. Meaning that something or someone would ALWAYS appear and fufill the need or demand.

      If Einstein wasn't born another scientist would have made the same scientific discoveries.

      If Google hadn't appeared we can be certain a 'googlish' type of corporate entity would have materialised offering us free email, docs, search etc.

      Be afraid... very afraid! Or. In the end, everything will be OK.

      Take your pick.
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      • Profile picture of the author cremib
        Can a Google employee access your gmail and read your emails?
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    • Profile picture of the author readywerx
      .....we all now work for ( 'do no harm' ) GOOGLE.
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    • Google is actually more than a website, in fact you can do a lot of tasks.
      Actually there aren't companies able to be better...
      So I will use Google anyway !

      Thanks for the informations Joe !

      Goodbye,
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      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
        Originally Posted by Alessandro Zamboni View Post

        Google is actually more than a website, in fact you can do a lot of tasks.
        Actually there aren't companies able to be better...
        So I will use Google anyway !

        Thanks for the informations Joe !

        Goodbye,
        Why did you bump a 4 month old rant only to say something unrelated to the OP?
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Unfortunately the cost of having an effectively free world wide web is to give those invisible powers access to a lot of personal information about us. It isn't just Google though, you need to widen it out to virtually all of the social networks and just about every other online service provider.

      The real question for me is how this data about us as individuals will ever be used? I am not to bothered about how the powers that be use collective data about my surfing habits to serve up "so-called" targeted adverts to me. Just because I may have once searched for information on how to clean carpets doesn't mean I am receptive to adverts from carpet sellers..

      The serious issue is how one day all this individual information could potentially be used by some extreme organisation that might one day gain power. It isn't Google that I am scared of. Just imagine what a modern day Nazi party could do with all that stored data about individuals.. Now that scenario really is chilling.
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    • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
      I think they also keep these search results way longer than other SE do. This is some eye opening stuff however. Yes, the big G has too much 'power' but who gave them the power? Um, US...lol:p
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
      Well, I only have a couple of things to say about "losing" our rights and our right to privacy. If you don't know your rights, then you don't have any.

      I'm hoping someday people will learn their Constitutional rights as US citizens, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. These documents were created for reason. They were meant to protect us from Tirrany and keep us FREE men and women. "They" are slowly and sometimes quickly chopping away at our rights to be FREE people.

      For those who say "I don't care - because I have nothing to hide" - those are usually people who do not understand what our country is about and our Constitutional privacy rights to live as FREE people without the prying eyes of others.

      That's it. Happy Trails!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
        Here's one no one has mention in the last 3 pages, or else I missed it.

        Google sees everything you write about them on this forum...and they know who you are.

        If there is ever anything you don't want to someday, come back and bite you in the rear, don't say it, write it, or do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author armadin
          Maybe its time to start worshipping the google bots, if they should ever physically start to manifest in our household appliances they might take into consideration and spare our lives

          On a serious note though, if you think about the process of page ranking and how these bots go about gathering information and sorting it (the known factors), you can certainly detect a very familiar pattern developing in technology. AI is something that is taken very seriously in the high tech and big budget robotics firms, I believe that it's going in that direction.
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          • Profile picture of the author anwar001
            Aren't there any cyber laws for what kind of information can be tracked and what can't be tracked? If such laws do exist, don't they apply to Google and won't the Government step in if things go so much out of hand?

            And finally, what is the real issue between Google and China?
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    • Profile picture of the author cherylyeo
      wow, I wonder if they will also know your DNA and start formulating the marketing strategy to target for the favourable consumer behaviour.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeoJ
      Surly the point is all info in one, or a few places, makes it very easy for an agency to seek info.
      Just one person to bribe, threaten or subvert and the agency can find info to embaras or compromise anyone.
      And agencies always pick the bad person, never make mistakes. Never get to intimidate in the support of the 'cause'. A new 'Senator McCarthy' would be faster, more effective, and easily President!

      Remember - For evil to triumph good men have to do nothing( get careless)

      George

      PS I use google for search & Adsense. My gmail account is my guru account only junk
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    • Profile picture of the author six19creative
      good post.....They also know all your chats if you use googles any chat products through chat history.They spy almost everything user do on internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creative Thinker
    I read this whole thread and now I realize - Is this anyway related to internet marketing and making money?

    Duh! I wasted 5 minutes
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by Creative Thinker View Post

      I read this whole thread and now I realize - Is this anyway related to internet marketing and making money?

      Duh! I wasted 5 minutes
      Yes this thread tests you IM IQ that is not wasting your time on worthless threads ...

      All joking aside. It has a lot to do with IM.

      Many people will not use google toolbar, keyword tool, gmail, analytics and avoid any other service to avoid giving up information. This thread helps people realise how integrated google is wrapped up into out internet activity ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      Originally Posted by Creative Thinker View Post

      Is this anyway related to internet marketing and making money?
      If, as a marketer, you can't see how you can make money out of the sense of paranoia that is thrown up by this thead then yes, you did just waste 5 minutes.

      Martin
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        If, as a marketer, you can't see how you can make money out of the sense of paranoia that is thrown up by this thead then yes, you did just waste 5 minutes.

        Martin
        Some of us had the sense to it last year.
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        It'll just knock over all the pieces, poop on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author theinfomaven
    All of this issues can be stopped by using alternative services and forcing your contacts to do the same.

    Also, xerobank.net blocks google from knowing who you are and where you are located.

    Worth every penny.


    otherwise you get this.....

    Google in 2084
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    Eventually in the future, Google will inserts chips into our babies.

    Each baby will be assigned a few random keywords and a niche.

    Each kid will only be able to be contacted, if people find those keywords on the internet.

    So the child has to spend most of their early days trying to optimise their individual page and their ppc niche.

    You will only be able to buy things via Google.

    Your purchasing choices will be restricted to the data Google holds on your Parents.

    So if your parents spent all day watching Oprah, and mom clicking on weight loss ads and dad surfing porn, then you are screwed.

    Basically, we are doomed...

    Come on Bing, perhaps a microsoft controlled future will be better.
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    • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
      that's funny.

      However, it does give a lot of food for thought of where we will be if we continue along this path

      Originally Posted by TelegramSam View Post

      Eventually in the future, Google will inserts chips into our babies.

      Each baby will be assigned a few random keywords and a niche.

      Each kid will only be able to be contacted, if people find those keywords on the internet.

      So the child has to spend most of their early days trying to optimise their individual page and their ppc niche.

      You will only be able to buy things via Google.

      Your purchasing choices will be restricted to the data Google holds on your Parents.

      So if your parents spent all day watching Oprah, and mom clicking on weight loss ads and dad surfing porn, then you are screwed.

      Basically, we are doomed...

      Come on Bing, perhaps a microsoft controlled future will be better.
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    • Profile picture of the author cdog
      Originally Posted by TelegramSam View Post

      Eventually in the future, Google will inserts chips into our babies.
      Not google but the government. Not babies but humans. Folks the technology is already here. Testing, testing, testing. I had a military id card with a chip in it that stored information about me. Look like a small thin sim card. In the future could they use that to track individual soldiers whereabouts?

      Onstar in vehicles. Can find your vehicle anywhere. I hope you are not cheating on your spouses. Hell you can even track cellphones. I know when my younger sister leaves the house, I know when she is at the mall, I know what route she took to get there. Now imagine a chip or any id card that you have to carry with you that does this. It's coming. But will I be alive when it gets here.
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  • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
    Makes you wonder how they really use this information. Is google connected with walmar?
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  • Profile picture of the author nikolaaa
    Big brother is watching you
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  • Profile picture of the author Patricia1
    Joe118, you make Google sound like the UK Government. Since Gordan Brown and the rest of the goombars in Westminster tell us what to think, what to say and control just about everything else...who cares about Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author thegamecat
    Just wait for the gov the break up google - then we'll see how big they are.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by knight006 View Post

      Wow.......big brother watching you !!!! Its amazing how all this was allowed to happen. Seems more like invasion of privacy...
      Thanks for all the info.
      Not really. You (we) volunteer ALL of that information.

      Think about it. Pretty much every site you "sign up" for, every software and toolbar you install, everything you purchase with a credit card, whether you think so or not, you are giving your permission to take and keep that information.

      You know all those "Terms of Service" screens we just blow by, arbitrarily "agree" to? Read a few of them. It may shock you.

      Bottom line is if you want to stop having "big brother" watch every move you make, you'll need to:

      Go off line
      Toss your computer
      Cut up all your credit cards
      Close your bank accounts
      Disconnect from the power companies
      Stop using ATM's
      Stop driving (cut up your license and registration)
      Cancel your life and health insurance
      Stay away from any public video/security cameras

      Did I forget anything?

      So, have fun living up in the mountains, growing or hunting for your food and enjoy the solitude. Worked for the Una Bomber for many years
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel Gray
    This has been a very interesting post to read with a number of different views. So thanks for the post, but all in all the overall implications pointed a Google for doing the same thing that anyone with a website and tracking software is doing are kinda un-fair. They track things to provide their customers with a better product, make it easier to move thru a website or get the most informed search results, just like any good online business tries to do.

    And if you are concerned that your information is not safe then refrain from using the services that are provided by Google, but remember the information helps them to provide a more superior product to their online customers.

    And I also have to agree that considering the political climate these days to give up a little privacy to help combat terrorism, online fraud, kiddie porn or any other undesirable online component that gives IMer's a bad name, puts children in danger or causes even larger problems....no problem with the Googlebot here!

    There is also the money thing as stated above Big G does help to pay the bills and provides us with the some of the better paid for traffice that can be found.

    And while surfing porn if the people running those sites are testing and tracking then you should be getting the best service that they can provide, hence the best adult website experience you can get.

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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    UNLESS You own cloned modems. Then google thinks that you are someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author JulioGarabot
    I use Google as a resource and if it wants some information back so let it have it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wage Mills
    dont forget the g1 (google phone)
    which has gps
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  • Profile picture of the author Handsome J
    Well, I'm not ready to take up a hacker alias like "Brill" in "Enemy Of The State". I dont think the alternative of living in a "jar" like faraday cage is too appealing either. Does Google know a crazy amount about people like me with:

    - Google Voice
    - Multiple Site w/Apps For my Domains
    - Google Checkout
    - Chrome
    - A soon to be had Verizon Droid cell phone
    - Google Search as my Homepage
    - Youtube Accounts & Searches

    Likely I have quite a file back at Google HQ. Am I concerned? Not too concerned. The reason I am not is because I know the second an abuse of power of that information takes place, a mass exodus of customers would likely follow. If that were to happen and they lose customer loyalty, their business model is toast. In any business relationship, there has to be varying degrees of reciprocal trust. The government is already looking hard at Google as they control quite a bit, the second they get a whiff of anything that smells of a monopoly, the senate oversight committees will intervene as they did in the Standard Oil, AT&T, & Microsofts cases. See link below:

    Why Is Obama's Top Antitrust Cop Gunning for Google?
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    Just searched GOOGLE IS SKYNET, and there are 1.4m search results

    Same old story...

    G100 sent back in time to kill John Connor's mum, John Connor sends back his dad to save his mum...

    Fast forward... armageddon only delayed...

    Adapted G100 goes back in time to terminate Sergey Brin and Larry Page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jawshh
    Hmm google sure knows many things
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  • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
    Privacy is a thing of the past...these days we can lock our door, close the curtains, and through a secret spy cam (pen camera etc), someone may still know what we're doing (yes even scratching our balls)

    There are more CCTV cameras everywhere. Even public buses in my area have a camera nowadays. These days, you can't even pee in a public place without fear that someone might have secretly stuck a small peephole camera 'down there'.

    Fabian
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    1. If you use gmail, Google knows every word you wrote in email, to whom, which messages you read and when, and who you get email from -- even if the email is supposedly private.
    Isn't this illegal, since a email should be private information, or do they somehow have a way around the law?

    I do not use gmail, but if I did I would not be happy with this breach in privacy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fabian Tan
      Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

      1. If you use gmail, Google knows every word you wrote in email, to whom, which messages you read and when, and who you get email from -- even if the email is supposedly private.
      Isn't this illegal, since a email should be private information, or do they somehow have a way around the law?

      I do not use gmail, but if I did I would not be happy with this breach in privacy.
      The information is stored on their servers, so technically they can access it.

      Think of certain crimes. Someone commits suicide for no apparent reason. His/her email messages are probably going to be scrutinized.

      Yes, morbid as it sounds, there is no privacy even AFTER death.

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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAse
    Just imagine if G could ever get into FB.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Here is an interesting article over at Mashable.

    CEO of Mozilla advices Firefox users to use Bing instead of Google because Bing has a better Privacy Policy, after Schimdt's recent speech on privacy policy.

    Mozilla Guy to Users: Leave Google, Switch to Bing

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Flavin
    Here's a quote from Google's CEO Eric Schmidt "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place,"

    I think this is possibly one of the most stupid statements anyone could ever make. The right to privacy should and is supposed to be one of the founding principles of America & many other countries (even tho you wouldn't think it nowadays).

    I understand Google is going to know your browsing preferences and I'm fine with that, what I'm not ok with is that the CEO of the company with all that information has such a dim view on one of our basic rights.

    I did an article about this ( markflavinblog.com/google/googles-new-view-on-pirvacy-if-youve-got-something-you-dont-want-google-to-know-you-shouldnt-be-doing-it )
    and the irony is that a couple years back Mr Schmidt blacklisted CNET for publishing info about him gleaned from Google searches.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Someone should bring a lawsuit against them for breaking privacy laws, I know they have lots of money, but if it gets to the supreme court they shouldn't win.

      Privacy has nothing to do with if you are doing something wrong or not. No one should have access to your emails UNLESS you are marked as a threat to the U.S. Security and the U.S. Public, then I can see some wire tapping going on, right or not. But they should also have some substantial proof to do it and there should be a backend compensation if they are wrong and harm yuor credibility or finances in any way they should be held liable by law, that way they would maybe be a little more cautious?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

        Someone should bring a lawsuit against them for breaking privacy laws, I know they have lots of money, but if it gets to the supreme court they shouldn't win.

        Privacy has nothing to do with if you are doing something wrong or not. No one should have access to your emails UNLESS you are marked as a threat to the U.S. Security and the U.S. Public, then I can see some wire tapping going on, right or not. But they should also have some substantial proof to do it and there should be a backend compensation if they are wrong and harm yuor credibility or finances in any way they should be held liable by law, that way they would maybe be a little more cautious?
        Other than using a mechanical process to possibly target the ads shown on your gmail account, do you have any credible evidence that Google has broken any email-related privacy laws? Just because the data exists on their servers doesn't mean the company is doing anything - legal or otherwise - with that data.

        It's like the Tiger Woods scandal - if you don't want to get caught at something, don't leave a paper trail.

        You don't want Google to know what's in your email? Don't use Gmail.

        You don't want Google to know you look at dirty pictures? Don't Google for them, and don't use Google tools that give them explicit permission to monitor what you look at.

        I'm not pointing at you personally, EWGQDD, whoever you are. But the fact that this thread is still active, and there's so much righteous wrath about something that no one has proved is actually happening, that I'm starting to think there are too many posters wearing tinfoil hats...
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Other than using a mechanical process to possibly target the ads shown on your gmail account, do you have any credible evidence that Google has broken any email-related privacy laws? Just because the data exists on their servers doesn't mean the company is doing anything - legal or otherwise - with that data.

          It's like the Tiger Woods scandal - if you don't want to get caught at something, don't leave a paper trail.

          You don't want Google to know what's in your email? Don't use Gmail.

          You don't want Google to know you look at dirty pictures? Don't Google for them, and don't use Google tools that give them explicit permission to monitor what you look at.

          I'm not pointing at you personally, EWGQDD, whoever you are. But the fact that this thread is still active, and there's so much righteous wrath about something that no one has proved is actually happening, that I'm starting to think there are too many posters wearing tinfoil hats...
          LOL! I am not the one accusing Google, somone else has done that, I am just commenting on that if they are invading privacy they should be sued.

          As for passing content on gmail, I dont have a gmail account, as for dirty pictures, thats not my thing either.
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          • Profile picture of the author dadvocate
            Originally Posted by EWGQDD View Post

            Someone should bring a lawsuit against them for breaking privacy laws, I know they have lots of money, but if it gets to the supreme court they shouldn't win.
            Nah, that someone would lose. It even states in their TOS, that you should read ahead of time, "Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or all Content from any Service."


            Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

            I don't get all of the paranoia about Google.

            So Google knows what you search for and it's the end of the world?
            Well it's getting out of hand Matt.

            Example: I had to use the washroom earlier, and when I got back to my computer, I recall doing a search query for antivirus software, but the results I got back were related to toilet fixtures! Ridiculous!


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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by dadvocate View Post

              Nah, that someone would lose. It even states in their TOS, that you should read ahead of time, "Google reserves the right (but shall have no obligation) to pre-screen, review, flag, filter, modify, refuse or remove any or all Content from any Service."




              Well it's getting out of hand Matt.

              Example: I had to use the washroom earlier, and when I got back to my computer, I recall doing a search query for antivirus software, but the results I got back were related to toilet fixtures! Ridiculous!


              Shawn
              First of all, Google doesn't state PRECISELY what they cover, a lot of stuff IS illegal, and they are now almost EVERYWHERE! I have installed AT LEAST 3 programs that install the google bar BY DEFAULT and at least one REQUIRED IT! So the idea that they can have a contract, and bind you to it is RIDICULOUS! Someone could EASILY install a program that installs the google toolbar with NO warning, open up their browser and WHO KNOWS!? The toolbar COULD conceivably read various setup info, and the favorites list, and download them to google. ALL without the visitor even noticing. If they don't NOW, they probably WILL.

              Maybe the toilets were "antiviral"! Yet ANOTHER thing that pollutes google's data. Google discovered that many were DISHONEST! So WHAT did they do!?!?!?

              1. Tie things to domain names, and others buy OLD names and CHANGE CONTENT!
              2. Filter data based on what they feel others can read, which may be TOTALLY wrong.
              3. Ignore the description tag, and figure that computers and their programmers are omniscient! NEWS for google, they AREN'T! This means that people may have trouble telling toilets from software, and they ignore keywords, so the same is true THERE.
              4. Pay for clicks, which encourages people to create "competing" sites which THEY index which make things MORE complicated.

              All that just causes MORE problems.

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              • Profile picture of the author dadvocate
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                Maybe the toilets were "antiviral"! Yet ANOTHER thing that pollutes google's data. Google discovered that many were DISHONEST! So WHAT did they do!?!?!?
                LOL! I meant it as a joke (read: made up crap), pun intended.




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  • Profile picture of the author ishan
    Agree with Red_Virus! Google may become Skynet! It is really surprising that Google knows so much about us. However, they assure that no info is sold/shared with anyone. Our data is in safe hands!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Google still gathers data about you even if you don't use any type of google service AT ALL.

    If you read their privacy policy you will see that they have the right to access and collect information from partner sites as well...partner sites meaning that if you go to a website that uses Google Analytics, Google will gather data about you.

    That website uses Webmaster tools, they gather data about you, you go fill a survey form made trough Google Docs, they gather data about you.

    So the argument of "you don't want them to know just don't use any google service" is invalid in my eyes.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Marian Berghes View Post

      Google still gathers data about you even if you don't use any type of google service AT ALL.

      If you read their privacy policy you will see that they have the right to access and collect information from partner sites as well...partner sites meaning that if you go to a website that uses Google Analytics, Google will gather data about you.

      That website uses Webmaster tools, they gather data about you, you go fill a survey form made trough Google Docs, they gather data about you.

      So the argument of "you don't want them to know just don't use any google service" is invalid in my eyes.
      Fair enough, but it begs the point about the difference between Google (or anyone else) having data about you scattered through their database, and "knowing stuff" about you.

      I have a double garage filled with packing cartons from our Florida move four years ago. I helped pack those cartons, they are filled with my stuff, so I should know what's in them, right?

      The trick is, there is so much stuff out there that I couldn't tell you anymore what is out there, much less where to find it. If it became important enough, I could sift through the boxes and find out, but most of that stuff just isn't that important at this point. It's good enough that I have the cartons.

      For any average individual, the same idea applies. Until I get some evidence that my data is being used for some nefarious purpose, it's just stuff in a carton in Google's digital garage. They may have it, but unless it becomes important, they won't look for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I don't get all of the paranoia about Google.

    Where have you guys been out in the "real world"?

    Any little hole-in-the-wall cafe' that you have eaten at has your credit card info.

    Your bank sells your information to telemarketers all of the time.

    If you have ever been to any mall you are on at least 35 cameras from every angle.

    Any car lot that you bought a car from can track your ass down to get their car back.

    So Google knows what you search for and it's the end of the world?

    Geez.

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  • Profile picture of the author khairulazan
    What google can do to harm us for the 15 things that the G knows about us?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by khairulazan View Post

      What google can do to harm us for the 15 things that the G knows about us?
      You can be accused of doing something YOU didn't do, or something YOU wanted to keep secret may be put out in the open. HEY, look at what happened to Tiger because of ONE little report. It has mushroomed A LOT! Apparently, HE deserved it but, what if he didn't?

      Private info can be released that could lead to your death, loss of income, or destruction of your name.

      A LOT of things are driven by secrets and trust!!!!!!! If amazons suppliers and IDs were known, people might compete or buy from suppliers. If my clients couldn't trust me with their secrets, I would be out of work. People selling info are selling stuff that, hopefully, is worthwhile and otherwise HIDDEN to the purchaser. PAYPAL, CLICKBANK, ETC.... Originally, and to a degree now, derive most of their income from a secret code used ONLY after they are paid. Some secrets are just NECESSARY! HEY, look at the bank and routing number secret that 419 scammers try to get to rip people off!

      YEP, releasing these secrets can be DANGEROUS!

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  • Profile picture of the author slovatt
    I'm not worried about it. Google is a corporation not an individual and if anyone for any reason wanted to access my information they'd be dozing off out of boredom in no time. I totally agree with Big Mike. If it helps to track down anyone who abuses someone else then I'm not going to stand in their way.
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  • Profile picture of the author quickregister
    There is no longer any privacy really. The only consolation is that there is so much information out there that who can really process it all? There is a shread of privacy there.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi abdin66,

      Someone more intelligent than I once said that 'Nature abhors a vacuum'.
      Me too. And the ironing board, the washing up and cleaning behind the toilet.

      :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You see, THIS is why I HATE datamining by AMATURES!!!!!!!!


    [*]Everything you search for. Well d'oh.

    BULL!!!!!!! ONE, Who says **I** searched for it? popups, searchbar trojans/defaults, other users, typos, etc... pollute that data. BESIDES, I don't search ONLY on google!
    [*]Which websites you clicked on from the search results.

    AGAIN, POLLUTED, because of the last point.
    [*]How fast you read -- yes, they track how long you stayed on the search results page.

    WOW! My computer can be SLOW at times and I can NOT do things sequentially. Sometimes my computer may be on the same page for a WEEK! BESIDES, WHO says I would click ANYTHING!?!? BESIDES, to track speed, you need REAL visit time AND amount read. They don't know when I can start reading, don't really know if I am there, and they can't know the content. Suppose the site says "Here is the data", and I was there the WHOLE time, and spent 6 hours on that page. WHAT is my reading speed? MAYBE I looked at the source! MAYBE the data is in a video that runs for 6 or more hours. HEY, it COULD be streaming LIVE!
    [*]What language you read, what city you're in, which ISP you use, who is your employer (if you use the same computer from work and home).

    THEIR search engine is polluted, so even I can't be sure what language comes up. SURE, it is USUALLY english, but WHO KNOWS!?!?!? Oh yeah, for the record, I have gone to Home | Deutsche Welle which is a GERMAN site which defaults in ENGLISH, probably due to my US STANDARD windows settings, and switch it to HINDI! Just TRY to detect THAT!

    [*]All the webpages you visit. They know this in two ways. First of all, if you visit one site with adsense on it, and then visit another site with adsense on it, Google knows you're the same person. Second, if you have Google Toolbar installed and you enabled PR display, Google knows about *every* page you visit.

    That whole theory is TOTALLY wiped out if you use another browser!
    [*]All the alerts you set, Google knows about, and can infer things about you like what topics and keywords you are interested in.

    Well, there are a lot of places to set a lot of different alerts.

    Hey, I recently searched all my files for a string, and a couple "GAY" pictures came up. I promptly deleted them. I never saved them, never intentionally visited such a site, etc...

    So someone trying to derive information about me based on such things sickens me. If I were german, in germany, spoke only german, and bought a GERMAN system, I may STILL set the default language to english to find english sites, etc.... Maybe I would WANT to LEARN english. I have gone to sites that USED to be on Visual Basic, and found that they went to PORN sites which thing opened LOTS of popups. I once tried to go to shopping.com, left out ONE letter, by accident, and got to a porn site!

    ADSENSE is polluted by Email, and Email is polluted by SPAM!

    Do they have too much info? YEP! I am waiting for LOTS of people to go BROKE and have their lives DESTROYED within the next 10 years via ID theft. A lot of that may happen because of sites, LIKE GOOGLE, that figures ALL is up for grabs! EVENTUALLY, maybe in another decade, they will start ENFORCING laws that were codified in the 80s! Even CORPORATIONS have gone to a LOT of trouble NOT to release such information. They include credit related information at no less than 3 major retailing companies I work for, test/identity information at 2 major biomedical companies I have worked at, and EVERY hospital and doctor I have been at. The law SPECIFICALLY forbids releasing credit card numbers/information, birthdates, age, or test information, unless there is a LEGITIMATE reason! Frankly, if any company dares to ask me for this information and it is not needed, THEIR database is polluted. I'm not going to give them my REAL birth date! NO WAY!

    I recently looked up an old girl friend's history, to find out what happened to her. She died about 20 years ago. 8-( Anyway, they had EVERYTHING there, INCLUDING her SSN, and complete family tree, together with some info THERE! OK, you say, she's dead ANYWAY! TRUE, BUT.... The Nobel peace prize was created because Alfred got to read his OBITUARY! So that is little consolation.

    Oh well, I hope that they take such things into account.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    If you want total privacy (or as close to it as humanly possible) you have to send the world back to the roaring 20's. That'd be okay, I do one mean freakin' charlston.

    But consider -- many city streets are now monitored via camera - in large cities in the US you can be given a ticket for a driving offense because a camera is watching you. There are cameras in many parks around the US as well. Take a "private" dive into the bushes with your sweetie lately? Live porn is probably very fun for those reviewing the tapes.

    Echelon will record ANY conversation you make via phone or email that has words in it that trigger the system. Every time you say something is "the Bomb" or talk about something you have in your "pot" on the stove, or that you have a "crack" in something, you have triggered echelon and the conversation will be reviewed. You can be listened to in your home via your tv cable, phone cable, etc.
    See a van parked outside on your street closeby? Unless your walls and windows are coated with a shiny metal, you can be both heard and observed. Drive a newer car or carry a cell phone? Somebody can tell where you are -- even if the devices are turned OFF. How do you like the idea of going into a department store and having someone watch you try on clothes?

    Our society has become so surveillance crazed that there is no way to get around being watched if someone takes it into their head to watch you. It doesn't matter if you are offline or online. If someone wants to know what you're doing, they have the power to know it.

    Some of this is all good and well. I use my debit card at the local grocery. If someone is that interested in what toilet paper I buy or what type of organic foods I like, it's not like that is information I wouldn't share anyway. I often put recipes online and if you can't deduce from those what types of things I'll be buying, then you just aren't real smart.

    But I don't like the idea of being watched when I go to a park, or when I am in the bathroom, or when I am being intimate with someone in my own home. Those who tend to think that everything is okay unless they are doing something wrong - I'm wondering if they would perform their last sex act with their partner on a stage with a live audience? Or if they would just squat down on a local street corner and move their bowels.

    It's not the fact that we are watched.......it's the intensity of the surveillance that bothers me.
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  • Profile picture of the author ImHot
    Well it is obvious that some company would have all this power. But I think it is a GOOD thing. Especially of it's Google! They have an amazing culture and want to change the world. Their motto is "don't be evil."

    They have a better heart and in my opinion, they are the best company to have this power. Also, imagine if there were 100's of companies with your private info like this, you will not know who is exploiting it and who is not. At least with Google, they are one giant entity that is easy to spot.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Damm it you mean to say Google know about my big porn crusade last week...
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterNick
    1. If you watch videos on YouTube, Google knows your taste in videos. Do you like young cheerleaders? Google knows that. Your spouse may not know that
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    and i didnt know google knows our gmail content!
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Lets just get one thing straight.. When people refer to Google knows what Joe Bloggs from number 10, small street in smallsville has just been searching for cheerleader videos. There isn't some Google employee sitting in a data centre watching every move Joe Bloggs makes on the web. Or there isn't someone reading every email that someone writes using gmail.

      What does happen though is that they use the same technology as used with Adsense to recognise the context of our emails and searches. They then just dish up relevant or "supposedly" relevant adverts to that person.

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      and i didnt know google knows our gmail content!
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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    10. If you have an adwords or adsense account, Google knows your financial information.
    Financial information as in ? Bank Saving-account numbers ? amount in multiple banks ? No. Google knows how much you earn from adsense or affiliate program and they keep that record. No personal financial information is asked or stored by google.

    If you can prove they do store some confidential information(saving account, bank receipt info etc) that they're not supposed to then people can sue them with lawsuit and that will be biggest lawsuit against google or any internet company. In such Google will be helpless even if they asked for any TOS etc cause that will be direct invasion of privacy which even if it covers under some TOS blah blah will not save any company from illegal spying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    They've got their fingers in a lot of pies with their diversification, remember when they just used to be a search engine? Now they're wanting to get a piece of the mobile phone market, what next? I bet they create the technology that ends up in Arnold's head, I think somebody already mentioned Skynet? You read my mind, hehehe.

    Resistance is futile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Deep S Walia
    Wow! Can be scary...i suppose if you have nothing to hide it doesnt matter.

    some people may not like the fact that Google is able to read soooo much about them, without even doing a single thing! Strange!!

    How did we ever manage without the net??
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterNick
    exciting and scary at the same time isnt it, hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
    A lot of smugness about "I don't have anything to hide" ... especially since lives are regularly ruined by erroneous and blatantly false information supplied to these databases.

    And it's not about what "they know about you" - but what "they" deduce about you through statistics, algorithms, etc - that in reality couldn't be further from the truth of "who you are".

    I would be more concerned about how easy it is to gain access to this information by cyber-criminals - as demonstrated by Google's numerous security breaches.
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterNick
    I kinda find the sms verification thing troublesome, they shud stick to the usual, although people may get gazillion accounts without this verification.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Powers
    Of course google know it.If not,it will be impossible for it to improve its function.But I think you can also install some useful tool on your website to get some useful information.GA is pretty good for such use.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunjamie2005
    Eh, I am sure Google knows each and every time I take a crap. In fact, they are probably looking at me right now. I don't have anything to hide so it doesn't bother me.
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  • Profile picture of the author costos gohdohb
    for example, the lines from Google's privacy policy: "We may combine the information that you submit under your account with information from other Google services or third parties , in order to provide you with a better experience and to improve the quality of our services"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    LOL@skynet!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shazza101
    very interesting, will think twice before settng up a gmail account in the future although i'm sure all the others like yahoo and hotmail do the same thing.
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