The Z to A marketing funnel...how to backward chain your success.

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One mentor I had, said, "start at the top" be the boss from the get go. He had some success so I found it good advice.

With IM, we all want to be our own boss, eh? And the easy entry point, most often AFFILIATE marketing (just one of many) has tons of info right here and all.

I see a lot about funnels. Here is an idea for you, take it or leave it.

Before you invest or decide upon any given software, or before you even get started...write out a plan of action, in a backwards direction. Start at Z and go back to A.

So, what would that look like: Z would be the delivery of something bought. Before that, a payment made and rec'd, before that a place to make such payment...and just keep walking back through the steps until you get to the A. A is normally the intersection of your promotion and your prospect. It is where you get the traffic from...from there, it is all about conversion.

Now, this may seem a bit radical, but try this. Examine your most recent purchase online, no matter what it was or where you bought it, even Amazon Prime things.

Z you got the product.
Y you got confirmation of the buy or that is en route
X you made payment and it was rec'd
W You read about it, saw a video, listened > something made you want to buy.>>>>>
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A you became aware of the product; service, software, information, goods, etc.

It becomes much easier to build a funnel, if you know exactly what steps your customer has to take to get your offer, and the easiest way to figure that out, is by backward chaining the transaction back to the intersection.

Yes? No? Eh?

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author CharlesHeflin
    I always begin with the end in mind so this is solid advice for engineering the ecosystem to bring Z into being
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  • Profile picture of the author MrTony1993
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    One mentor I had, said, "start at the top" be the boss from the get go. He had some success so I found it good advice.

    With IM, we all want to be our own boss, eh? And the easy entry point, most often AFFILIATE marketing (just one of many) has tons of info right here and all.

    I see a lot about funnels. Here is an idea for you, take it or leave it.

    Before you invest or decide upon any given software, or before you even get started...write out a plan of action, in a backwards direction. Start at Z and go back to A.

    So, what would that look like: Z would be the delivery of something bought. Before that, a payment made and rec'd, before that a place to make such payment...and just keep walking back through the steps until you get to the A. A is normally the intersection of your promotion and your prospect. It is where you get the traffic from...from there, it is all about conversion.

    Now, this may seem a bit radical, but try this. Examine your most recent purchase online, no matter what it was or where you bought it, even Amazon Prime things.

    Z you got the product.
    Y you got confirmation of the buy or that is en route
    X you made payment and it was rec'd
    W You read about it, saw a video, listened > something made you want to buy.>>>>>
    >
    >
    >
    A you became aware of the product; service, software, information, goods, etc.

    It becomes much easier to build a funnel, if you know exactly what steps your customer has to take to get your offer, and the easiest way to figure that out, is by backward chaining the transaction back to the intersection.

    Yes? No? Eh?

    GordonJ
    This is a very helpful thread, thank for sharing. You need to start from the Z part and keep going Backward.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by MrTony1993 View Post

      This is a very helpful thread, thank for sharing. You need to start from the Z part and keep going Backward.
      Thanks for your comment.

      You will find many Warriors, and gurus and experts to tell you what you need to do, I am not one of them.

      I can offer up experience and relate what I have seen...anyone can search the WF going back about 23 years, I think the original parts aren't archived in these updates...but twenty years is plenty.

      And you find countless stories of struggle, YEARS of effort, starts, stops, failures and sure, even some success stories too. Many of the early Warriors went on to become the revered gurus of IM today.

      This is hands down, the best place to begin...to study about IM, and to learn.

      However, most new Warriors, don't or can't.

      They can't because of their desperate money situation. They want/need results NOW, and all too often, they are the ones who end up spinning their wheels for years and spending money they don't really have.

      They don't because they want answers now, and won't bother diving in and searching.

      And they often get the YOU NEED TO DO .... the whatever it is. And most often, from someone selling the what to do.

      For me, it is all putting the cart before the horse. So, and not just you, but for any Warrior who wants to get started with affiliate marketing, and there is no shortage of

      you NEED to do this to start affiliate marketing, maybe several a week...

      I would ask why you chose that in the first place? What is it about affiliate marketing you like? What else have you researched?

      What skills, experience do you already have? What value do you bring to the forum to start with? You won't find too many others, albeit a few, who ask those questions.

      Because, it is there, at the GO square on the IM monopoly board that you pick your avatar, the piece you move around the board. A shoe? Iron? Hat?

      But most advice may say start at the Reading Railroad (USA) which is a few squares down the board.

      BEFORE you roll the dice, it is good to know what sort of a player you are, do you like the low cost housing and build hotels faster, do want the railroads, do you aim for Boardwalk and ParkPlace? Different strategies come into the game.

      I say most people just roll the dice and move along the board, without considering the end game. And most people will lose all their money, and be beaten by a more skillful player.

      Monopoly metaphor aside: with IM, it is helpful, backed by 20+ years of Warriors experiences to know what you want to achieve, what your end game is, and then plan and execute that plan...and these Warriors win their game more often than the guy who just rolls the dice and begins.

      Save yourself a lot of time and money, by knowing where you are going, what is the clear destination, and if it is money, then what does that look like, how much, how often and how and where does it come from.

      Put the Z on your game board first, and work your way back to GO, but before you roll the dice, make sure you are playing into your strengths and not your weaknesses.

      GordonJ
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    Gordon

    Maybe I'm just being me. But say the z point was say 100 customers worth at least 1000$ of revenue per year. With at least a 40 percent margin.

    The numbers can be changed but conceptually lower number of customers higher value fat /good margins.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Gordon

      Maybe I'm just being me. But say the z point was say 100 customers worth at least 1000$ of revenue per year. With at least a 40 percent margin.

      The numbers can be changed but conceptually lower number of customers higher value fat /good margins.
      I read this a couple of different ways Odahh, one, a 40.000k Net (assuming the 40% includes taxes),
      or
      Monthly recurring income of 84 bux with 100 people per month

      Or any number of ways. I THINK the question has to do with HOW to backward chain from a money goal, if wrong, correct me, OK?

      So either of the "views from the rooftop" which get you 100,000 a year in sales and a 40k net profit will see the same end result, however, the rungs, or steps or path to get there will look quite different.

      It has to do with accumulation and leverage. There are people with knowledge, experience or skills who COULD sell 100 monthly "memberships" @ 85

      Or others who could sell 200 at 43
      Or still others, 50 @ 170

      We see this with a lot of software these days, even Big Boys like Microsoft and Adobe prefer the MEMBERSHIP, aka, recurring payments model these days...but they both became huge companies on one off, or yearly rates too.

      So THAT would be how a money goal might be backward chained, but, with it, comes the TRANSACTION, and in the examples, of recurring income, small amounts which accumulate.

      It goes to what is best, is a low cost more volume model, a higher cost, fewer customers..the amount of time.

      We sort of have that view with all the information in the eBay threads...the math can be worked out, and with 100k as the goal, with a 40k net, and knowing what the avg number of sales are made per X number of listings, it gives those guys information on what to sell.

      Like 5,000 tshirts at 20 bux each, or two sailboats at 50k each. If you don't know a dang thing about sail boats, you wouldn't go there. If you were a quartermaster in the Navy, a diver, and worked on boats and yachts for several years and sailed the world, making a lot of contacts...it might be a no brainer.

      So, the what do you want to do...for the 100k or whatever amount comes into play.

      With me so far?

      My model after testing several versions out, I started in 1997, for example, with a 1,000 dollar information product...but it had too many moving parts for me, to keep it going.

      I learned that people back then would spend a grand, heck, I did too, I gave Bill Myers a thousand bux to be in his private group called the idea bank. He may have had 100 members in it, and we paid every Jan. So there is a real life example of a guy who hit the goal of $100,000.00 in the first week of Jan. Posting will add.

      My model evolved downward. I loved the Bill Myers 1,000 a pop with only 100 or even 50 people...very appealing...there was, however a time committment to fulfil, he had to deliver the goods every month. As a guy who likes to take several months a year off, I don't like having the obligation hanging over my head.

      So, when I have had memberhips, mostly there were fixed time, limited time, or fixed lessons. Example, I may have had 10 lessons in my marketing course, which anyone could start at any time.

      By 2004, I had settled on a model which suited me, and a bit later, eliminated other off line stuff, due to slop and mess and having worked with Harvey Brody for a long time, I saw the light.

      But for online, my like was to do short term writing projects, that I could create pretty quickly, and sell for a low cost, and offer to my list several times a year. I think that between 2001 and 2007, I whittled it down from a five figure list to around 2500 list of BUYERS...and I still have many of those customers buying.

      So, and these numbers are examples, I don't get into my business. But they seem believable, I hope.

      A 20 report, every two months, with a couple of holiday specials. Or giving my list offers about 8 times a year...and with a small amount of money, a very high % of why not buyers...and very little, next to none, on the refunds. They have been trained on what to expect for 10, or 20 bux, see?

      So, with 2500 active buyers, being offered 8 items a year (160 if they bought it all. How many do I need to hit a goal of 40k, because, information, that is electrons, have a much higher margin than anything else...it is for many of us, over 80% and some over 90. Now, if you have a list of buyers, even a small one like mine, and a high % or knee jerk buys, because I don't need to write 20 pages of copy, just send an email, HEY, my new report is out, buy it now, cause you know me, it will disappear soon. And enough of them DO, well, it still allows me to take several months a year off.

      Today, when I am advising someone...I want to know how much TIME they will spend and this ALWAYS gets overestimated...whatever they say, I divide it in half. Tell me you have 20 hours a week, and I'll tell you, NO you don't you have 10 maybe.

      Say a Warrior wants to get into affiliate marketing with your goals, the 100k and 40k net. I would want to know their interests, what they do now, what they buy, and WHY they have that goal.

      And then, having a NUMBERS GOAL of 100k, and looking at by the little chunks, 50k buyers at 2 bux, or 50 buyers at 2k, or whatever else...maybe using a WarriorPlus product they are interested in and just doing the math.

      That person may have to sell 2, 000 affiliate products with a 50 dollar commission to reach their goals. And knowing a big chunk of that will come in the last 45 days, they can slowly build up their business by going up the ladder one rung at time, until they reach the step off rung, onto the 100k a year rooftop.

      Or, if you have a question, maybe my answer won't get so long winded. Fair enough?

      GordonJ
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        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Or any number of ways. I THINK the question has to do with HOW to backward chain from a money goal, if wrong, correct me, OK?
        First off, GordonJ, the post above was about as eloquent as it gets - GREAT post!

        I personally... and I will say that again... I personally, find money goals to be a bit of a trap. We ask for far to little... and within the scope of looking from the top down, placing a value is instituting an end point - and again I personally find that dangerous ( strong word, but I hope you get the point )

        plotting out Z to A is going to require the identification of my 5 W's and an H ( Who What Where When Why, and How ) and when the ultimate "Why" is $$$ we see it played out here on the forum and in real life on the regular.. that people may start with T-Shirts.. but end up selling boats - because of $$$ - and I would suggest here in lays the reason for a 97% failure rate.

        WHY is the question... With my stacked amount of experience I am finding "Because I can" is a valid WHY... but the key variable here is "I Can"

        So, from a place of "never have before" - I think the Z looking down has to be super valid - and in line with knowledge and experience in one way shape or form.

        I never in a million years looked top down and said "Hey I am going to be operating 19 business'.. as much as Gordon probably never looked down and said I am going to have a small buyers list and write $10 to $20 reports and take 4 months off per year.

        BUT the initial WHY was the seed to the growth and expansion we all must take over an amount of time. For me personally I can forget the WHAT... and know the WHY is the "Process". Once there is "success" it simply can be repeated over and over.

        My career is BUILT apon repeated success. Gordon's success is repeatedly writing $10 and $20 reports. Very much the same thing... THIS is what success looks like.

        Im not saying TODAY.. you need to be looking at a Z 10, 20, 30 years from now... but at least have 6 months from now in mind. If for example you are going to sell a weight loss product TODAY, you have to understand you are building a list and will be selling weight loss products tomorrow... a month from now, 6 months from now, a year from now.
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          There are some Warriors who think you and I are ying/yang and at times opposites...but that isn't any where close to true.

          We've chosen (that is the big similarity) to follow paths which SUIT us. You, like Ben Suarez, love having a family and friends business. Ben built a 100 million dollar a year business for and because of his family and friends, and today, the 3rd generation is at the helm. Imagine Savidge17 running your empire down the road.

          You love your employees and treat them as family, they, knowing they have to get their jobs done...I am not a people person, so I like the solitude of working alone.

          We both do the things which PLEASE us, which gives us fulfillment and the happiness, and that has always been the common thread. Not the results,or techniques or the how to, but the DOING what we love to do, or want to do.

          When work became too much, when employees upset my equiibrium and joy, it was time to do something else.

          I think both of us have hammered here at the WF, the point of WHY, and chosing a why which suits you, emotionally as well as physcially, or skill wise. Having skills and experience doesn't mean we must use them, if they aren't in synch, although, there could be times in the course of business, where we have to get under the hood and get our hands dirty, whilst prefering to be doing something else.

          And as for the View from the rooftop, it is tool. A concept, a metaphor for taking a look at any given project and trying to see the time and troubles it could have. It is a planning tool, just one of many we can use.

          I like it and it suits me basically because for over a decade I lived and worked in a world where the TRY ANOTHER WAY, and Backward Chaining of tasks was relevant to the work.

          So it suits me very well. Others may do better with a MAP, or a CHECKLIST, or a tasklist, a game plan...or some other tool to use to make one's way from A to Z, from here to there, from this side of the river to the other side.

          The big thing I see with Warriors, is they lack tools of thinking, at the start of their journey, and we more experienced members can give them some to use.

          I almost always refer people to your $100,000.00 a year COURSE (because that is what it is) on eBay in the Warrior Path forum, as a blueprint, or plan, or even a view from the rooftop to get from today, to a year from now, with a tested, proven, elaborated upon means of how to do it.

          And with your guidance with other Warriors going into the eBay pathway, there is more and better information here, than if someone were to buy one of the many courses out there, but they are blinded by their want, need, desperation or lack of knowledge and tools...

          Although, they will find everything they need right here at the WARRIOR forum, if they just look.

          And one thing they will see, is both you and I, as well as many others...telling them to CHOOSE carefully at the beginning, and follow passion, love and reasons WHY on their journey to Z, what or wherever that is.

          Thanks for staying with Warriors and giving all you do.

          GordonJ

          P.S. We both follow our bliss. FEW others do.

          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          First off, GordonJ, the post above was about as eloquent as it gets - GREAT post!

          I personally... and I will say that again... I personally, find money goals to be a bit of a trap. We ask for far to little... and within the scope of looking from the top down, placing a value is instituting an end point - and again I personally find that dangerous ( strong word, but I hope you get the point )

          plotting out Z to A is going to require the identification of my 5 W's and an H ( Who What Where When Why, and How ) and when the ultimate "Why" is $$$ we see it played out here on the forum and in real life on the regular.. that people may start with T-Shirts.. but end up selling boats - because of $$$ - and I would suggest here in lays the reason for a 97% failure rate.

          WHY is the question... With my stacked amount of experience I am finding "Because I can" is a valid WHY... but the key variable here is "I Can"

          So, from a place of "never have before" - I think the Z looking down has to be super valid - and in line with knowledge and experience in one way shape or form.

          I never in a million years looked top down and said "Hey I am going to be operating 19 business'.. as much as Gordon probably never looked down and said I am going to have a small buyers list and write $10 to $20 reports and take 4 months off per year.

          BUT the initial WHY was the seed to the growth and expansion we all must take over an amount of time. For me personally I can forget the WHAT... and know the WHY is the "Process". Once there is "success" it simply can be repeated over and over.

          My career is BUILT apon repeated success. Gordon's success is repeatedly writing $10 and $20 reports. Very much the same thing... THIS is what success looks like.

          Im not saying TODAY.. you need to be looking at a Z 10, 20, 30 years from now... but at least have 6 months from now in mind. If for example you are going to sell a weight loss product TODAY, you have to understand you are building a list and will be selling weight loss products tomorrow... a month from now, 6 months from now, a year from now.
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    Gordon

    That was not long winded at all and full of different options and paths. To think about.

    Thank you
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    Savage

    I'm partly joking but I probably wouldn't go from tee shirts to boats. It would be more tee shirts to high end sex dolls and the outfits that go with them. If I just went for where I could make the most money.

    But the the devil on my shoulder . And I don't really want to talk about that here.
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  • Profile picture of the author blairquane
    Definitely, reverse engineering a process is a great way to plan it. The good thing is that not only do you get a resulting step by step list to work with but you are less likely to leave out or miss a step. I often do this on competitors sites to see what their process is compared to mine and if there's anything I can do to improve. I don't copy theirs but simply use it as a bouncing board to compare against.
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