LOL...

I happen to agree..

I think it has something to do with the mountains of information that can be compiled by people who know sweet FA about anything and then think they can pass it off as a masterpiece...

Those that can't do, teach!.. it's a bit sad really...

Peace

Jay

"Those that can't do, teach!.. it's a bit sad really..." really? Gee, does that apply to me, StomperNet, Frank Kern, John Reese,etc and the like?

I've taught over 300 people how to trade forex who currently make around 0.5% to 2% on a constant weekly to monthly basis.

I've taught around 1,000 people how to do SEO, and they're getting much better rankings than they could of done without my help.

I can certainly understand your frustration...

In time, as you develop your own system for building your business - all the other ebooks and systems will simply pass you by and you won't bat an eyelid.

Once you've started to build upon the foundations of your business, the only ebooks you'll ever pay attention to are the ones that fit in directly with your chosen business model - that just takes time and experience to work out.

The industry isn't full of scammers though, of course, there are some... it is certainly not saturated.

Although I don't know your own circumstances... One thing I would consider, if I were you - is to take stock of what you have learned and think about how it can be applied to your business. There are no guarantees of results - however, you can help the process by taking a step back and evaluating where you have been successful, where you have failed and what you can do better.

Kindest regards,
Karl.

I agree. If your not making 30k a month then don't claim that you can teach someone how to make 30k a month!

Iron Strong,

You will learn real quickly to can the bold claims and grab the stuff that may help your business. Newbies and ebook collectors gravitate toward the 'get rich quick' area of IM. Most of these books are too general to work right.

As IMers grow, they start to realize that there isn't a book or set of videos out there that can teach it all. So instead of going for the "how I made $XX,XXX in 2 minutes, they go and grab a book on SEO or a book on joint ventures, ect....

On a side note, to say that the health and fitness arena isn't riddled with scams is ridiculous though. I can't tell you how many videos, books, supplements, ect. that promise that they will be able to shed XX amount of pounds in 30 days, ect. (kind of sounds familiar doesn't it?).

lol wow i attracted more responses with this thread than with any i have posted.

look... i am not saying that just becuase you dont do somthing doesnt mean you dont know how. there are a ton of performance coaches in my industry that are old and out of shape that have a wealth of knowledge on the subject HOWEVER...

my frustration is geared towards those who have NEVER accomplished success online and try to sell there method for success online. sorry for any confusion but that is what i am trying to get accross here.

and yes my industry does hold ALOT of scammers... just watch late night TV. i realize that whole heartedly

But i have just never had the oppourtunity to FIRST HAND read a sales page claiming wonderful amounts of cash and amazing secrets to drive tons of traffic to a page, and then go to a forum and PERSONALLY SEE the owner of that "business" asking how he can make a sale with his product. Does no one else see the irony here?

Look - IMO if you have had success in a feild, made large sums of money, have proof that you have had success, Etc. Go ahead and sell it - i want you too becuase i want it.

BUT you have no business selling/ promoting somthing you dont know about or have ad no success with yourself. once again:

if you live in your 92 toyota corolla behind walmart, you dont have any business selling somone a method to get rich "that has made you millions of dollars."

thats a fact boys and girls.

Well, I don't know if people would share their money secret for $97 or $7..

I'm making some decent money online and nowadays experimenting with some new methods which is costing me some money..

But the point is if I struck GOLD, I wouldn't share the secret as I will not want that method to get saturated.

On the other hand if the method is such that it can't be saturated then I guess I wouldn't mind sharing it for free or maybe even make some quick buck.

I guess I answered myself But most of the ebooks that claim huge amount are scams unfortunatley

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BTW on the subject of school teachers, i know a few multi millionaires who didnt even graduate high school, teachers dont teach financial education buddy, our scholastic system is designed to produce employee's.

check out rich dad poor dad itsa good read.

Well, scam artists are there even in the weight loss niche but I agree in IM there are some more of them. Of course your opinion is based on only a select number of marketers you might have interacted with, because most of the Imers I have met and worked with are honest.

LOL, as if the fitness industry doesn't have problems like the ones you mentioned!

Couldn't agree more - if you're not making $5k per month for goodness sake don't PRETEND that you are!! But to be honest people are very soon exposed, but it can be a pain for those who have to do that exposing (ie buying crap products).

yes I agree Its kind of comical. this type of internet marketer wont last long and will give up soon back to their jobs. they will tell everyone that it dosent work and its a scam. while the true internet marketers laugh to the bank.

With your specific example, yes I can understand your frustration. But this is far from the only industry with snake oil sales people. I've sold stocks, different kinds of investments, and life insurance and I met more shady, unethical people during my time with different companies than I care to remember (on the sell side and buy side). Trust me, the fitness industry is full of unethical people too. One example of one recent bust was a company using pregnant women in their before and after pictures when trying to sell their weight loss product.

One has to be very wary and cautious when dealing with products and people in IM, shoot, in general too. I've been burned so many times over the past decade that I'm suspicious of all strangers. Luckily it's a lot less now since I've learned to do much better research and can spot a BSer a mile away now.

RoD

p.s. Steve W. excellent point.

Thanks for this thread, it struck a chord with me!

LOL - look im not trying to break anyone's dreams here, and to be quite honest if some guy on a forum can stop you from accomplishing your dream with an honest question on how one can be an expert at somthing he has never even had success with, than he or she would not have accomplished their dreams anyway.

I understand asking for advice, shit i did the other day, and i did recieve alot of advice. However i would NEVER try to create a product and sell it that i had no knowledge of.

so to any one this may have offended dont go getting your heart broken, its a very real question and one you all may want to ask yourself. then ask what your customers are going to think about you if they find out whats really going on.


This brings up another point. When i was in high school i had a coach tell me that i should not bother working my calves in the weight room it wouldnt help my speed or power. i responded with the fact that my step father walked on to the falcons at the age of 25 and one of the biggest parts of their training routine was on the development of strength and power in the calve muscle. he then responded with "pro's dont know what they are talking about they are just in shape" i then responded with "why are you coaching at the high school level making an extra dollar an hour if you know so much.

DONT TRY TO TEACH SOMEBODY SOMTHING unless you know what the f*ck you are doing. that is my whole point here people, i don't care who it offends thats the truth you all know it.

if you dont know what you are doing you dont need to try and take someones money to teach them how to do it. that my freinds IS a scam artist.

i suppose its the fact that if i am selling my *expertise* *knowledge* or *skill* i feel that i should truly posses that trait.

you obviously dont feel the same. thats your opinion the preceeding is mine.

thats my 2 cents.

There are a lot of SCAMS in the fitness industry as well... Does Diet Pills ring a bell? or how about "Lose weight without exercise" and so on...

Come on dude, every market has their shady characters, you just have to do your own Due Diligence on products before you purchase.

Mike Hill

like i said, i understand that this is just the first oppourtunity i have had to see someone claiming they have a method for becoming rich and prosperous backed with testimonials and personal bank statements, that comes on the forum and asks why he cant make a sale.

trust me i know plenty of scam artists in my industry and quite frankly i bank becuase of them, people realize real quick whats real and whats not the proof is in your body.

Absolutely mike! nothing like a good exchange on a forum. And 8 years is great - if i had 8 years in the IM industry i think i may be confident enough to sell products and services in it. obviously you are well off in the knowledge department.

I hanbg around here so i can learn how to build my internet business. learned alot so far, and not surprisingly most of what i have laerned has come from old timers and those with 500 or more posts to their name.

anyway to the CREDIT of this forum and all of the IM experts here i have learne enough to finally start building a very profitable busines in the fitness industry with my online chapter starting within the next few months with a great front end product and service and an even better backend - recurring membership upsell and bonus!

so thank you all! (now that i have pissed every IM GURU off lol) im not an ass hole all the time - honest...

Please speak of these white lies then I would love you to explain why hype is the truth?

So
white lies in copy is that OK

Hype in copy is that ok

Half truth is that ok

What one do you like to use the best

how about this there is no other software on the market like it I hear that a lot


Richard Dean
creator of thank you page software 2003 don't be a dirt throwing fool
go to Plugin Sales Generator to get yours .

Quick Question: Am I getting scammed?

Well, I just recently dicovered an interesting program that I also happened to join. You become an affiliate to the company and basically you run your own website. Have 10 different e-mail addresses or give some to friends and family. The cool thing about it is I only have to pay $10 a month, and if I get other people to join and have their own website and they pay the same as I do, but I can aslo earn cash from them and the people they tell about it as well. 50% of the $10 goes into commission to the sponsors who refered people and so on and so forth, and it goes in 5 layers. $1 per person per month. And I'm only doing this in my free time. I'll continue this in more detail later if there is any positive feedback.

Just asking what you think is ok the title of the post is

I have a bit of a problem with alot of IM'ers

You were up so I asked you

So
white lies in copy is that OK

Hype in copy is that ok

Half truth is that ok

What one do you like to use the best

how about this
there is no other software on the market like it
I hear that a lot

thanks for playing anyway


Richard Dean
creator of thank you page software 2003 don't be a dirt throwing fool
go to Plugin Sales Generator to get yours .

Typical.

anyway i think i'll retire on that note. LOL.

I put a lot of stock in checking people's backgrounds. After a while you will get to know who is blowing hot air and who is consistently providing value..

Forums, social sites, Google searches can turn up a lot of information.

Their real track records speak the truth and this can be found.

People often tip their hand with who they associate with and who they look up to as well.

You can always ask here and other forums if someone has tried this or that product. There is a separate forum section just about products.

It is very easy for anyone to say anything on the internet. Their history follows them though.

No offense bro,

But if you've been hangin' on this Warrior Forum for almost a year...and aint figured out how to seperate hype and pretty pictures from products and marketers of substance....then I'm gonna be straight with you'se.......

This probably aint the business for you. For real.

And while your bitterness is genuine I'm sure....it's also an indication of why this business aint for you.

Your rant.... while correct in many aspects for sure.....also speaks loudly about your own personal frustration and lack of progress. So what are you really angry about the most? I'm guessin' it's more to do with your own lack of progress then the average scum bag sellin' dreams he can't deliver etc.

You need to determine that what the rest of the world does, says, or sells....aint gonna have no influence on your life...and take it from there.

And you need to learn from people who are selling real solutions....not theory. There are a lot of good honest marketers on this forum...who do have integrity.

After a year....you should have found them by now. Maybe you're not looking too hard.

xxx Vegas Vince

let me make this perfectly clear - this thread is not aimed at REAL honest marketers, gurus and people with proven track records. NO OFFENSE TO ANY SUCCESSFUL KNOWLEDGEABLE INTERNT MARKETERS. if you dont offer a service or product that you have absoltly no clue about this should not offend you in any way whatsoever.

funny thing is, i havent bought a product or ebook i have been disatissfied with in quite sometime, I HAVE learned to separate bullshit from SOLID gold, BTW i learned how to do that from the forum, and most times i can come here run a search and find out who is actually selling the thing.

ANYway - im out, Pe@ce!

Yes, I do understand where you're coming from.

Many on this forum and others like it are 'fake it 'til you make it' types. They pretend to be experts only to make sales and build their reputation. Provided they don't get caught out they may well make it into the 'big time'.

I make a good living as an internet marketer. I have never pretended otherwise, simply because it wouldn't be true. I work hard and spend many hours daily learning more, interacting with other marketers and building my business.

I try to give advice here where I have had experience. A bullshitter gives advice from what they've read about other more successful people doing. There's a difference, imho. They are parroting.

I love this business because of the freedom it gives me and I try to get that across in what I personally write.

You can generally tell the BS artists from the rest. You're learning already.

Your best bet is probably to stick to the recognisable names. Mike Filsaime, John Reese and many others are in a different league and at the top of this business. They are also known for producing great products. You will pay extra but at least then you know what you're getting.

I felt the same way that you feel Iron Strong. I used to be offended and upset but I realized over time that with PLR products and MRR products, you don't HAVE to be the expert about the topic. You just need to know how to market. I'm far from an expert but I believe that harboring these feelings (if you're going to be an online marketer) is going to inhibit your abilities.

I played the drums for 20 years and developed carpel tunnel. In my day, I was a mother on the drums and can still play better than average. I know for a fact that although I am limited because of my abilities, I can definately STILL teach a beginner how to thrive on the kit and help that person overcome many bad habits, although I can't demonstrate it. The knowledge is the noggin and can be expressed without SHOWING them.

Again, overlook that stuff and move on. Don't let it bother you.

This kind of stuff has been going on since marketing began. Although I understand your frustration, move forward and if you feel uncomfortable with something, don't get involved. Simple.

There is always a fine line when I am reviewing marketers/products as to whether or not I give that product or marketer a good rating. Just because the product or marketer hasn't help me does NOT equal that it is crap. Products, tactics, secrets, etc. are only as good as the marketer behind it. More often than not, the money making programs/products/reports/etc. are NOT the bad guy. Their success/failure is hinged on the marketer behind it that does not know how to market correctly.

Feel what I'm saying dude? The people that make those posts that piss you off are probably trying to sell a good product in a poor fashion. It's the marketer, not the product.

Before I go....just because you're some buff dude that APPEARS to be in physical shape does NOT mean that you can teach someone how to do the same. It all works both ways. When you're talking about a fat ass trainer....a chiseled trainer doesn't necessarily have the knowledge to teach anyone. They may share their experience with someone but ultimately, there are always variables that come into play that the trainer/marketer CANNOT account for as to that persons success or failure rate.

Good luck to you though.

Sincerely,

Craig Raphael