Difficult problems with headlines

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I've been trying to make good headlines, and creatives that work more literally, I'm taking a lot of time in the creation process, like 1 day for 3 pin posts and the same for Facebook creatives.

My headlines are horrible, even with a lot of research, about the audience and demographic data, I can't write something that works or that attracts attention.

I'm literally still creating pins for Pinterest and I'm creating my own posts for Facebook.

I can't hire a freelancer yet, so I have to do everything myself.

I read some books and I'm trying to apply each one of them, copywriting secrets, scientific advertising, the ultimate sales latter and the entire series of books by Russell Brunson. And I'm also taking some courses, maximum 2 so as not to overwhelm myself.

If anyone can give me a tip, I'd really appreciate it.
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  • A great headline addresses a very specific audience (that you are marketing to), makes a strong promise (or benefit), and arouses a little curiosity.

    A great book is How To Write A Good Advertisement by Victor Schwab.

    It has a chapter that breaks this all down for you.

    A trap most headline writers fall into is that they want to be clever, or funny.

    None of that is needed.

    Your goal is for the headline to grab the intended reader by the face and scream "Read me!".
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    Originally Posted by DarK BunnY View Post

    I've been trying to make good headlines, and creatives that work more literally, I'm taking a lot of time in the creation process, like 1 day for 3 pin posts and the same for Facebook creatives.

    My headlines are horrible, even with a lot of research, about the audience and demographic data, I can't write something that works or that attracts attention.

    I'm literally still creating pins for Pinterest and I'm creating my own posts for Facebook.

    I can't hire a freelancer yet, so I have to do everything myself.

    I read some books and I'm trying to apply each one of them, copywriting secrets, scientific advertising, the ultimate sales latter and the entire series of books by Russell Brunson. And I'm also taking some courses, maximum 2 so as not to overwhelm myself.

    If anyone can give me a tip, I'd really appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dee4d
    I still use the "traditional" KWR rules for the title.
    If you have done good KWR, you will definitely have an eye-catching title, plus very good search engine friendly keywords that will enable you to be found.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by dee4d View Post

      I still use the "traditional" KWR rules for the title.
      If you have done good KWR, you will definitely have an eye-catching title, plus very good search engine friendly keywords that will enable you to be found.
      What does KWR mean, and how is it traditional?

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by DarK BunnY View Post

    I've been trying to make good headlines, and creatives that work more literally, I'm taking a lot of time in the creation process, like 1 day for 3 pin posts and the same for Facebook creatives.

    My headlines are horrible, even with a lot of research, about the audience and demographic data, I can't write something that works or that attracts attention.

    I'm literally still creating pins for Pinterest and I'm creating my own posts for Facebook.

    I can't hire a freelancer yet, so I have to do everything myself.

    I read some books and I'm trying to apply each one of them, copywriting secrets, scientific advertising, the ultimate sales latter and the entire series of books by Russell Brunson. And I'm also taking some courses, maximum 2 so as not to overwhelm myself.

    If anyone can give me a tip, I'd really appreciate it.

    Why have you not listened to previous suggestions.

    ChatGPT or any of the other A.I.s can do all of those things for you.

    Write headlines, Pinterest pins, FB posts, and anything else you need.

    When I need titles (or whatever) I tell it what I need and it writes me
    twenty titles that I edit to my preference or use as is.

    Instead of frustrating, why don't you just do what is easy.

    Most everybody is using A.I. and if you don't get with the program
    you are going to get left behind.
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    • Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

      Why have you not listened to previous suggestions.

      ChatGPT or any of the other A.I.s can do all of those things for you.

      Write headlines, Pinterest pins, FB posts, and anything else you need.

      When I need titles (or whatever) I tell it what I need and it writes me
      twenty titles that I edit to my preference or use as is.

      Instead of frustrating, why don't you just do what is easy.

      Most everybody is using A.I. and if you don't get with the program
      you are going to get left behind.
      Yup. You could just ask it to "Write ten headlines for....", and you'll get some real usable ideas.
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      • Profile picture of the author DarK BunnY
        I have tried but the headlines are not as attractive compared to that encounter when I search for creatives to get ideas for headlines
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    • Profile picture of the author DarK BunnY
      I read the gpt chat post, I watched videos and tried for days to create a prompt that looks minimally good, but it always repeats the same things, the same headlines with the same words and none of them would interest me even if I had bought it and they are not causing interest to other people either.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by DarK BunnY View Post

        I read the gpt chat post, I watched videos and tried for days to create a prompt that looks minimally good, but it always repeats the same things, the same headlines with the same words and none of them would interest me even if I had bought it and they are not causing interest to other people either.

        You have to keep prompting ChatGPT for whatever it is that
        you are trying to achieve. You can tell it things like "improve"
        or "more" or "make it more persuasive" or write for your target
        market or whatever.

        You can also give it examples, give it other headlines that you
        think are good and ask it to customize those for your purpose,
        and you should be able to edit what it provides, the thing can't
        know exactly what you need unless you tell it.

        I just had a chat where I asked it to give me "low tech" items,
        I needed suggestions for something that I was working on, it
        was an ongoing chat, it gave me low tech items that a super
        computer thinks are low tech, but they were rather high tech
        to me and the project, so I reminded it that I meant low tech
        for a human.

        It responded with something like "oh, okay, it didn't occur to
        me that you meant low tech for a human."

        It was hilarious, but you had to be there.

        Anyway, keep at it, annotate and track your progress, you
        will be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    Try using a head line analyzer .I think you are trying a bit too hard consuming too much information confusing yourself in the process .You should spend more time testing .
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    There are a ton of ways to write a headline.

    My advice to someone starting is to simply make the biggest promise you can in the headline.

    'I promise if you try xyz, your back pain will be gone in 3 minutes'

    Look at your product and determine what the biggest problem it solves.

    People are looking for solutions. If you have it, tell them what it is. If you can't offer a solution, you probably don't have a good product.

    Now, you can test the headline I gave as an example by just saying: 'End your back pain in 3 minutes...'

    Simple. To the point. And, if a reader has that problem, they'll keep reading.

    Also, myself, I never overlook a subheadline.

    You can use the subheadline to address their biggest concern...

    'even if you've tried everything else and your back still hurts'

    Just my thoughts and a quick example.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moodesburn1977
    I had this problem too, i bought a book called affiliate marketing sidekick, i dont use it now but it give me the thought process for headlines and how they actually work
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Take a look at what your competitors are doing

    Certain patterns should jump out at you

    START THERE
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    • Profile picture of the author DarK BunnY
      I don't have much idea how to model my competitors, can you give any tips?
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by DarK BunnY View Post

        I don't have much idea how to model my competitors, can you give any tips?

        Hello DarK BunnY!!!

        It depends on what you want to know about your competitors.

        Google "website research tools" to find something that meets
        your needs.

        There are some manual ways as well, again it depends on
        what you want to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottrulon
    A great website to check headlines is Sendcheckit.com. It is FREE BTW. You can test many different types of headlines here and they will respond instantly on a scale of 70 to just over 100. It was a key find when I just got started.

    Give it a whirl, and you will become a master in no time at all.

    If you use an autoresponder like GetResponse, they have a fantastic headline generator.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    There's not enough information here to provide an intelligent answer. We don't know what you are trying to do with your headline. Are you simply trying to get views/readers/traffic for whatever reason? Are you trying to sell something and need to get immediate attention?

    I am going to assume it is the second one and that it is something in high enough demand that other people are selling the same or similar product or service. If so, it is highly likely that there are people advertising with pay per click ads.

    Look at the headlines of pay per click ads - particularly the ones in the top few spots. People do not get there and stay there unless those ads are working for Google/Bing (search engines couldn't care less if you are making money from ads; they only care about what is getting clicked on).

    Ads in the top position are getting clicked on and have usually been heavily split tested until the advertiser has found the ideal headline that is getting the most clicks.
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  • We gotta get real scientific 'bout headlines here.

    Bcs all kindsa things written for all kindsa things for all kindsa people.

    First stahp is to considah:

    What you wearin' now?

    What stuff you gaht in yr home?

    Less'n you a gimp, slave, moron or tramp, likely you invited alla this proto-vampiah stuff in from outta the ethah.

    So ... why was that, zackly?

    Sumtimes it is kinda Spidey Sense, sumtimes we can point direct to the ad or shoutout compelled us to throw on split crotch panties as we ladled lukewarm molasses onto our bellies with a stainless steel kitchen accessory from the Heck You Will premier range.

    (Remembah their slogan? "The reality is like bettah than the metaphor"?)

    Point is, sumthin' LED YA to alla yr apparel an' evrythin' in yr home.

    An' you could mebbe write out an ANTICHRIST HIT LIST of shit you don't evah wanna SEE.

    I'm cool with red, don't like blue.

    Long skirts make me look frumpy, shortah stuff permits I reveal my thigh gap when bendin' ovah.

    Black for electrickyools, plz -- naht silvah.

    See bcs headlines eithah resonate clear like bells summonin' milkin' maids an' plough guys to work, or they invisible as specters.

    (Could be you recall sum lame pitch for sum lame product for the myoosement of your besties ... but nuthin' nevah laid no fingah on yr braino is as vapor.)

    What does alla this tellya?

    You gotta kindle sweet what gowin' down in the brainz an' feelz of yr prospect or there zero point playin.

    Herein is where R2D2 swankies on in fulla AI bravado an lecktruckutes his/her/them's self on her/its/our artifishly procreated needless piss.

    H for Heart. H for Headline.

    Bcs we wanna be moved steada corraaaahled.

    An we wanna step out effortlessly steada meet with obstacles.

    So I guess one feachah of any ultimate headline is how it gotta CONFIRM you RIGHT to think/feel/want as you do.

    THROTTLE GRANMA IN 13 SECONDS -- AND NEVAH FEAR THE COPS.

    But for the law, an' with zero desiah to figure what PRODUCT or SERVICE would DELIVAH, likely this is a winnin' headline for the right kinda prospect.

    Imagine the add-on potential.

    "For just $175 dollars, we'll upgrade your 100% Effective GRANSY GARROTTE to get the job done in a KILLER 7 Seconds!"

    "Wanna Take Out Granpa Too? Call Our Team TODAY. They shave regularly and understand the difference between professionalism and a deftly slit jugular."

    "Take advantage of our ANIMAL LOVER DISCOUNT! Granma breathes no more, but her pissy frickin' cat roams free on a farm in WISCONSIN."
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  • Profile picture of the author Ged3
    When it comes to headlines, I would say the best thing is to experiment.


    Use words that have proen to be magnetic for example: Free, New, You,Save and Guaranteed.


    The more of these you have in a headline - as long as they are relevant the better the chance of success.


    Experiment on sites such as Facebook, where posting different headlines to articles etc. will not cost you anything.


    Hope this helps


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  • Profile picture of the author MightyPen
    A great headline is created by putting yourself in your readers shoes. Then you write the headline they would love to read. ( Practice, Practice, Practice ).
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      Attention Cigar Smokers. Are you tired of cigars that smell like vanilla? Want cigars that smell like dirty socks? Then click here.

      Identify ideal customer. Name the problem you solve. Identify clearly your solution. Tell them how to get your solution.

      The above means you know who your target audience is, one of their problem and that you have a solution for them. Well, something that they, not just you, think is a solution.

      Is your problem that you do not know who your target audience is? What their big problems are? How what you are promoting solves their problem?

      You can learn about who and why someone is part of an audience by reading Amazon reviews of the product you Are selling or the product yours replaces.
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    Did you know that there are tools out there like (A.I. artificial intelligence) software that will write your headlines and emails for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author aronprins
    Hey DarK BunnY ,

    Here are a few tips that may help you improve your headline writing and creative creation process:

    1. Simplicity is Key: Keep your headlines simple and straightforward. Avoid using overly complex language or jargon that might confuse your audience.

    2. Benefits over Features: Focus on highlighting the benefits of your product or service in your headlines rather than just listing features. Show your audience how your offering can solve their problems or improve their lives.

    3. Use Power Words: Incorporate power words or emotional triggers in your headlines to evoke strong feelings or curiosity in your audience. Words like "free," "exclusive," "instant," or "secret" can grab attention.

    4. A/B Testing: Experiment with different headline variations to see which ones perform better. A/B testing can help you understand what resonates with your audience and refine your copywriting skills over time.

    5. Know Your Audience: Understand your target audience's pain points, desires, and interests. Tailor your headlines and creatives to speak directly to their needs and preferences.

    6. Storytelling: Craft your headlines in a way that tells a story or creates a sense of intrigue. People are drawn to narratives, so use storytelling elements to captivate your audience.

    7. Practice, Practice, Practice: Like any other skill, copywriting takes practice. Keep writing headlines regularly, even if they don't all turn out perfectly. The more you practice, the better you'll become at crafting compelling copy.

    Don't be too hard on yourself if you're struggling at times.

    Keep learning, experimenting, and refining your techniques, and you'll gradually see improvement in your headline writing skills.

    Hope this helps!
    Cheers,
    Aron
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    One of the best books I have flipped through on the art of creative marketing is called 'hey whipple, squeeze this'. I suggest you get one for yourself. Was a great read...
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