Be Careful What You Say...EZA Rules The World!

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I received an email this morning from EZA...and it was mildly entertaining

I've been a pretty outgoing voice with regards to the incompetence of the editors at EZA whenever the subject gets brought up - I basically don't hide the fact that I am of the opinion that I think they don't know that they are doing

Because of that...

EZA suspended my account

Now, I know what some of you are thinking!

"Jeremy, we know what you do with your articles", right?

WRONG.

I have not submitted a single piece of content to this account in months. I have no articles in the "most viewed" section - This account is completely above board.

People that work for me have accounts where content gets submitted to daily...My account doesn't - make sense?

So, to make a long story short, EZA has again proven themselves to be clowns...congratulations guys...You've sunk to a new low...Suspending the accounts of people who call you out on your incompetence. I must have missed that part of your TOS. lol

So, fair warning warriors. Watch what you say
#careful
  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    Crap, I'd better go stop all of the pending articles I have about the incompetence of EZA. Kidding, but I agree - I'm moving on to alternatives such as Articlesbase.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

      Crap, I'd better go stop all of the pending articles I have about the incompetence of EZA. Kidding, but I agree - I'm moving on to alternatives such as Articlesbase.

      EZA is a very small portion of what I do...so much so that I usually don't give them a second thought. The email was entertaining though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      I've stopped using EZA quite a while ago. I've found it much more lucrative in the long run to create my own digital real estate and combining it with paid advertising. If anyone wants to go from 6 to 7 or 8 figures faster than they ever thought possible they should seriously start looking at CPV and media buys.

      EZA doesn't even rule .00000000000000000000000000000014777% of the digital world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Which is why I have nothing but great things to say about Chris and his
    crew.

    All kidding aside, I can count on one hand the number of problems I've had
    with article rejections since I've been using EZA. And the few problems I've
    had all got cleared up quickly or, after an explanation of why the article
    can't be accepted (such as "we don't allow such topics") I simply delete the
    submission and put it on my blog. No big deal.

    EZA is just another site I use in my arsenal of promotional mediums. I don't
    live and die with them like I used to when I first started. Now, my stuff is
    all over the place.

    But like I said, I really can't complain about their service or I wouldn't bother
    using them.

    Anyway, sorry to hear about your suspension.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Which is why I have nothing but great things to say about Chris and his
      crew.
      Me too. LOL!

      Seriously, though, I've been very happy with EZA lately, especially regarding turnaround times.
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Goodness me Jeremy. This is so f***ed up. I know people will say its their directory and they can do whatever they want, but this in my humble opinion crosses the line.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      Goodness me Jeremy. This is so f***ed up. I know people will say its their directory and they can do whatever they want, but this in my humble opinion crosses the line.
      It doesn't really matter to me much. The people that I pay to write content have accounts

      I was more trying to warn others who might share their negative experiences that by doing so...Your account is in danger of being suspended.

      So, be sure to only share your positive experiences
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        It doesn't really matter to me much. The people that I pay to write content have accounts
        ...you sneaky dog
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      Goodness me Jeremy. This is so f***ed up. I know people will say its their directory and they can do whatever they want, but this in my humble opinion crosses the line.
      It is their directory and they can do whatever they want... Especially if you are abusing the system.

      I agree with Steven W.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        It is their directory and they can do whatever they want... Especially if you are abusing the system.

        I agree with Steven W.

        James

        I agree. Just as Allen has the right to arbitrarily do as he wishes so does Chris Knight. I am sorry to hear about the suspension and glad that you did not put all your eggs in that one basket.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        It is their directory and they can do whatever they want... Especially if you are abusing the system.

        I agree with Steven W.

        James
        Indeed - BUT if you are going to start suspending accounts because someone said something negative about your directory....Then what?

        As I've mentioned 3 times now - My account is COMPLETELY ABOVE BOARD.

        Again, my post is to serve mainly as a warning to anyone that relies on EZA not to publicly criticize them...or your account may be suspended.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        It is their directory and they can do whatever they want... Especially if you are abusing the system.

        I agree with Steven W.

        James
        You're absolutely correct....Ezinearticles has the right to be as boneheaded as they want.....a right they take advantage of every chance they get.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          You're absolutely correct....Ezinearticles has the right to be as boneheaded as they want.....a right they take advantage of every chance they get.
          Good for them protecting their business from those that blatantly abuse it.. I do not submit to EZA and I have no need to do so but they do run a business and they have every right to protect that business.

          Personally I think in my opinion Chris should go to a paid model only, it would correct a great deal of problems...

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            Good for them protecting their business from those that blatantly abuse it.. I do not submit to EZA and I have no need to do so but they do run a business and they have every right to protect that business.
            James, no offense...

            But, do you have a comprehension issue?

            I've said repeatedly and I challenge anyone to prove me different that MY ACCOUNT IS 100% ABOVE BOARD and that their accusations are FALSE.

            You are speaking like my account was in violation of their TOS - and IT IS NOT.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marc2008
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          You're absolutely correct....Ezinearticles has the right to be as boneheaded as they want.....a right they take advantage of every chance they get.
          Jeremy never said he cared about their rights as a business to be boneheads. In fact, I know he does not. He's just sitting back laughing his a$$ of at them right now because they think they have hurt him with the suspension. LOL

          On to ArticleBase and Goarticles.
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Reminds me of the line from the movie, "The Usual Suspects"

    Cop: I can put you in Queens on the night of the hijacking.

    Hockney: Really? I live in Queens, did you put that together yourself, Einstein? Got a team of monkeys working around the clock on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Matthews
    Thanks for the heads up Jeremy,
    I've submitted many ezine articles but haven't had, what I now is, the displeasure of dealing with EZA. Or if I have then I didn't pay much attention to it or I know what it is but don't seem to really care at the moment. At any rate I appreciate the heads up and will be more vigilant w/ my articles from now on.
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  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    I received an email this morning from EZA...and it was mildly entertaining

    I've been a pretty outgoing voice with regards to the incompetence of the editors at EZA whenever the subject gets brought up - I basically don't hide the fact that I am of the opinion that I think they don't know that they are doing

    Because of that...

    EZA suspended my account

    Now, I know what some of you are thinking!

    "Jeremy, we know what you do with your articles", right?

    WRONG.

    I have not submitted a single piece of content to this account in months. I have no articles in the "most viewed" section - This account is completely above board.

    People that work for me have accounts where content gets submitted to daily...My account doesn't - make sense?

    So, to make a long story short, EZA has again proven themselves to be clowns...congratulations guys...You've sunk to a new low...Suspending the accounts of people who call you out on your incompetence. I must have missed that part of your TOS. lol

    So, fair warning warriors. Watch what you say
    I just read through the TOS to see if there might be any alternative explanation for the suspension, but as far as I can tell, I don't see one.

    Of course if that was the reason, I don't see how it would have any impact on your outspokeness.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by markquinn View Post

      I just read through the TOS to see if there might be any alternative explanation for the suspension, but as far as I can tell, I don't see one.

      Of course if that was the reason, I don't see how it would have any impact on your outspokeness.
      Oh....it won't

      I'll be even more vocal now and will likely "spill the beans" on other avenues that I've used to monetize EZA errr...I mean, other article marketing strategies.

      Thanks for the push in the right direction EZA.
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      • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Oh....it won't

        I'll be even more vocal now and will likely "spill the beans" on other avenues that I've used to monetize EZA errr...I mean, other article marketing strategies.

        Thanks for the push in the right direction EZA.
        They banned your account because you pissed them off.

        Sure, its a cheap move; But I mean come on, are you *really* surprised?

        It's not like the owner of the place ordered anybody to do it; one of the staffers said to his/herself "Hey, Screw you dude." and banned you.

        Businesses are just groups of people. People are fallible. Stir up a big enough fuss, and somebody will see to it that your accounts reactivated. Thats just how these things work.
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    Feeling pressure from places like ArticlesBase cracking the whip and stealing serp spots hehe.

    Ahh... if you get suspended and your niche isn't relationships, reverse cell, or criminal background checks...you'll be fine with other directories anyway lol

    Guess the moral of the story is...don't base your business solely on article marketing anyway...and if it is 80% of your business don't rely on just one directory....and we don't hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    I've never had an EZA submission rejected (admittedly I don't write that many), but I've always said that if it happened I wouldn't jump through the hoops demanded by them in order to make an article acceptable, I'd just delete the submission, use it elsewhere and move on.

    I was stunned to read somewhere that Chris of EZA says that such deletions are a blatant 'admission of guilt'. Guilt? Clearly I'm not taking this stuff seriously enough. If and when such a situation arises then I will hold my hands up and confess, pleading guilty to being unwilling to indulge in protracted periods of literary acrobatics just to get an article accepted by a single directory.

    EZA don't rule the world, they only think they do. I've a feeling that if less of the collective article writing efforts of the IM community were directed at them they'd realise pretty quickly that their occupancy of the throne is just an illusion and some of the contenders to the crown are closer than they'd like to think they are.

    Having said that, I agree that it's their directory to do as they please with, much as it's up to us to decide where we want to submit our content. I'd just rather we weren't seen as 'guilty' for deciding EZA sometimes doesn't justify the effort involved.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Diana Lane View Post

      I've never had an EZA submission rejected (admittedly I don't write that many), but I've always said that if it happened I wouldn't jump through the hoops demanded by them in order to make an article acceptable, I'd just delete the submission, use it elsewhere and move on.

      I was stunned to read somewhere that Chris of EZA says that such deletions are a blatant 'admission of guilt'. Guilt? Clearly I'm not taking this stuff seriously enough. If and when such a situation arises then I will hold my hands up and confess, pleading guilty to being unwilling to indulge in protracted periods of literary acrobatics just to get an article accepted by a single directory.

      EZA don't rule the world, they only think they do. I've a feeling that if less of the collective article writing efforts of the IM community were directed at them they'd realise pretty quickly that their occupancy of the throne is just an illusion and some of the contenders to the crown are closer than they'd like to think they are.

      Having said that, I agree that it's their directory to do as they please with, much as it's up to us to decide where we want to submit our content. I'd just rather we weren't seen as 'guilty' for deciding EZA sometimes doesn't justify the effort involved.
      I tried to warn you....Your SCREWED now....

      I can already see the email being drafted to suspend your account lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I tried to warn you....Your SCREWED now....

        I can already see the email being drafted to suspend your account lol
        In which case I shall return the email with a note to say that it fails to meet my required word count, and that my inbox is currently not accepting submissions that fall within the 'account suspension' category
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I tried to warn you....Your SCREWED now....

        I can already see the email being drafted to suspend your account lol
        Along with all the others who thanked you for your OP. Looks like we're gonna have to nickname you "The Catalyst".
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Steven,

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          Don't dwell on the fact that you wish you'd learned the lessons beforehand - just be glad that you learnt them now, rather than never.

          The death of my mother launched my online career. Seriously.

          I had a choice to either spend time feeling bad about it, or instead throw myself into 16 hour days, chasing the dream I had always craved. From a loss, a new ExRat was born! And the plan worked - I turned any frustration/anger I had into pure determination to make her proud. I recommend it.

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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Originally Posted by Diana Lane View Post

      I was stunned to read somewhere that Chris of EZA says that such deletions are a blatant 'admission of guilt'. Guilt? Clearly I'm not taking this stuff seriously enough.

      heh it makes you answer why you are deleting the article...my reply always was: Because I feel like it... or nunya
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    • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
      I wonder if Chris will pop in and somehow enlighten us on this incident whether in specific or general terms?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Suspending the accounts of people who call you out on your incompetence.
    Jeremy, i really don't get it.

    What do you expect? Getting promoted to Premium by calling them out?

    I also have no information about why you think those editors are "incompetent", so i can't comment on that. I think you're acting a little childish now with "oh you clowns wont get me" etc..etc... Sigh...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Jeremy, i really don't get it.

      What do you expect? Getting promoted to Premium by calling them out?
      I expected an extra mug for providing feedback...is that too much to ask?

      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I also have no information about why you think those editors are "incompetent", so i can't comment on that. I think you're acting a little childish now with "oh you clowns wont get me" etc..etc... Sigh...
      Childish? Possibly. But, the fact that they suspended an account with no activity against their TOS annoys me slightly.
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    • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
      WOW Jeremy, did they say that was the reason for the suspension, or did they give another reason? Just curious how they would word it..."Thou shalt not talk smack about EZA..."?? :p I hope I'm not in trouble, I did just post a mini-complaint about them - first one ever! But overall I can't complain about my own experiences with them (unless I get the same letter you got, then I'll come back and complain a lot more...lol).

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

        WOW Jeremy, did they say that was the reason for the suspension, or did they give another reason? Just curious how they would word it..."Thou shalt not talk smack about EZA..."?? :p I hope I'm not in trouble, I did just post a mini-complaint about them - first one ever! But overall I can't complain about my own experiences with them (unless I get the same letter you got, then I'll come back and complain a lot more...lol).

        Wendy
        Here is the initial email I got...

        From: EzineArticles.com Support <support-reply@ezinearticles.com>
        > Subject: [#369385] Your EzineArticles Account - Suspended Status
        > To: "Jeremy Kelsall" <>
        > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:24 AM
        > Hi Jeremy,
        >
        > Your account is currently in suspended status as we have
        > reason to believe that you are inflating your article views
        > through PPV (Pay Per View) which is against our terms of
        > service.
        >
        > In addition, the articles on the account fail to deliver on
        > the promise made in the title. ie. Reverse Cell Lookup,
        > downloading Wii games, and background checks.
        >
        > Please provide an explanation as to what you are doing that
        > is artificially inflating your article views by Wednesday
        > November 25th, to avoid the removal of your account.


        Maybe I can explain how it's done here in this thread so others can avoid the pitfalls.... ?


        My reply was as follows:

        From:
        "Jeremy Kelsall" <>
        Add sender to Contacts

        To:
        "EzineArticles.com Support" <support-reply@ezinearticles.com>


        Penny, can you point out an article you feel I have inflated views to?

        I have not even submitted an article on this account for over a month - probably longer.

        Can you point out an article in my account that is even in the "most viewed" list?

        Your accusations are baseless and I think you should look at the account as a whole before accusing me of doing something like this.

        jeremy
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    • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Jeremy, i really don't get it.

      What do you expect? Getting promoted to Premium by calling them out?

      I also have no information about why you think those editors are "incompetent", so i can't comment on that. I think you're acting a little childish now with "oh you clowns wont get me" etc..etc... Sigh...
      I think that's NOT a professional behavior by EZA.

      Since it's a FREE account, maybe the issue is not that serious but what if it's a PREMIUM account?

      Just because someone criticized something about them, it's UNFAIR to suspend someone's account. You can't do that in BUSINESS. You'll lose trust and respect from customers.

      Where were they initially when they started business?Who supported them by becoming members? It's WRITERS like us. Is this how you REPAY the kindness given to you by the members?

      To be frank with you, I had enough of EZA's new rules. Even though I've been writing articles to them, I've now shifted my focus to AB and GO.

      My 2c..
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      • Profile picture of the author Jobe4212
        Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

        Where were they initially when they started business?Who supported them by becoming members? It's WRITERS like us. Is this how you REPAY the kindness given to you by the members?

        To be frank with you, I had enough of EZA's new rules. Even though I've been writing articles to them, I've now shifted my focus to AB and GO.

        My 2c..
        Yes, I'm sure EZA will be crushed to have less
        'How to use Pavlov's techniques to make a girl love you like a dog'
        -articles.


        Folks, go back and read the replies by Paul Myers and Roger (Ex Rat).
        Find your compass there.
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        • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
          Originally Posted by Jobe4212 View Post

          Yes, I'm sure EZA will be crushed to have less
          'How to use Pavlov's techniques to make a girl love you like a dog'
          -articles.


          Folks, go back and read the replies by Paul Myers and Roger (Ex Rat).
          Find your compass there.
          Do you know WHAT are you talking about? Have you ever heard of Pavlov's theory and the relationship between NLP and mind control with it?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jobe4212
            Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

            Do you know WHAT are you talking about? Have you ever heard of Pavlov's theory and the relationship between NLP and mind control with it?
            Thank you for reinforcing the validity of my tongue-in-cheek
            observation.

            Go back and think about what I first wrote.

            If your sister is googles for information and lands on an
            Ezine Articles page, what quality would you want for her to find?

            It's Chris Knight's responsibility to make sure that happens.

            Think beyond yourself.
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            • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
              Originally Posted by Jobe4212 View Post

              Thank you for reinforcing the validity of my tongue-in-cheek
              observation.

              Go back and think about what I first wrote.

              If your sister is googles for information and lands on an
              Ezine Articles page, what quality would you want for her to find?

              It's Chris Knight's responsibility to make sure that happens.

              Think beyond yourself.
              I believe that THERE're more WORSE articles around the NET than my article.
              And seriously I don't think my article is poor either.Certainly,you can't PLEASE anybody!!
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          • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
            Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

            Do you know WHAT are you talking about? Have you ever heard of Pavlov's theory and the relationship between NLP and mind control with it?
            I love the link between Pavlov and your profile pic
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            • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
              Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

              I love the link between Pavlov and your profile pic
              Thanks for the "compliment".Lolx..
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      • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
        Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

        I think that's NOT a professional behavior by EZA.

        Since it's a FREE account, maybe the issue is not that serious but what if it's a PREMIUM account?

        Just because someone criticized something about them, it's UNFAIR to suspend someone's account. You can't do that in BUSINESS. You'll lose trust and respect from customers.

        Where were they initially when they started business?Who supported them by becoming members? It's WRITERS like us. Is this how you REPAY the kindness given to you by the members?

        To be frank with you, I had enough of EZA's new rules. Even though I've been writing articles to them, I've now shifted my focus to AB and GO.

        My 2c..
        Even a free account costs - your articles are in the queue for much longer, costing you time, which we all know is money. The charge is there, it's just in a different 'currency'.

        EZA can do what they like with their business. While I don't always agree with the things they do or the way they do them, they still have every right to. A business that never acted on input from it's users would likely lose my trust and respect (and probably wouldn't be around long anyway), but so would a business that allowed it's users to dictate terms and walk all over it.

        And since we are all allegedly in business, it follows that my submissions to EZA were never a 'kindness' expected to be repaid. I had my own motives for submitting my articles, just as EZA had their own motives for accepting them. We're not charities and we wouldn't want our businesses to be treated as such, so it seems either naive or hypocritical to me to expect the businesses we deal with to behave like charities.

        I'm with you on the 'Go' thing though. I submit much more to them than I do to EZA, and have been doing so for about a year. It certainly hasn't done me any harm.

        Like Paul says, we're none of us in possession of all the facts and are just guessing. For the record, my guess is 63
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  • Profile picture of the author AverageGuy
    just curious, how do they know it is your account? simply because you used the name that you use at WF? is it weird? could it be because of other reasons?



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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by AverageGuy View Post

      just curious, how do they know it is your account? simply because you used the name that you use at WF? is it weird? could it be because of other reasons?



      david
      Yes, the account is in my name....

      I want to make something perfectly clear about this:

      1. The articles are for the most part in excess of 400 words
      2. They are not spun
      3. All of them fall into categories that are acceptable to EZA
      4. I have not used this account for at least 30 days - more than likely 90 days.
      5. To my knowledge not a single article in the account is in the most viewed, published, or any other list you can think of.

      The email that I got from EZA was very accusatory and made accusations that were simply NOT TRUE. If I were doing anything "wrong" I would have just shrugged my shoulders and said - "oh well, you play with fire, you get burned" - BUT THAT ISN'T THE CASE.

      Again, I want to state again that while my OP might have been "childish" as has been pointed out, it was to serve as a warning for other members of this forum that if you speak negatively about EZA you run the risk of having your account suspended.

      Luckily for me, this account doesn't matter to me - THEY CAN HAVE IT. As a matter of fact, I might delete all the articles myself if I feel froggy later on today.
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    Well-
    I read this thread a little too late.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    Turns Out Maybe I Am Wrong??:confused:

    you need to buy more WSOs...seriously...i think you missed some
    You must be right, I tend to stay away from "those types" of WSO'S so maybe thats why.

    Is this maybe one of them??

    Jeremey Kelsall - Evil Article Marketing
    Your still on my "Trusted" list Jeremy lol

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Andy Hart View Post


      I wouldn't use the words "bad marketing" or "rule breaking" in the same sentence as jeremy kelsall.



      Andy
      Actually, The people that submit content for me have been known to push the limits a weeee bit...Not me personally though
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Andy Hart View Post

      A little shocked by this thread to be honest.

      Of all the people That I know the names of that actively use article marketing, Jeremy would be one of the last people I would of expected to have their account banned?

      I wouldn't use the words "bad marketing" or "rule breaking" in the same sentence as Jeremy Kelsall.
      you need to buy more WSOs...seriously...i think you missed some
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    LOL get em Jeremy. Ezine does not rule google. Infact, google rules them and their about to be dethroned. Articlebase and Goarticles outranks them now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    So were you critical of them on this forum? Is that where they learned you thought they didn't know what they were doing, or was it an email?

    I know some people are running into legal issues for things they say and post on FaceBook. Everyone is watching.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      So were you critical of them on this forum? Is that where they learned you thought they didn't know what they were doing, or was it an email?

      I know some people are running into legal issues for things they say and post on FaceBook. Everyone is watching.

      Comments that I've made here on the forum and other forums I'm guessing.

      I thought that by providing constructive feedback that I would get 2 mugs instead of 1

      I guess I was wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I thought that by providing constructive feedback that I would get 2 mugs instead of 1

        I guess I was wrong.
        Here ... take three mugs.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Jeremy,

    in all seriousness. Dont get me wrong, but i think you're making things even worse.

    You said that you actually dont care about that one account, so from that point of view i dont understand what all the rave is about.

    I could paste in one particular line from your WSO which (in my opinion) would be enough for the EZA people to suspend you - then add the fact that you "called them out" for whatever reason you might have - i am actually baffled that you didnt see this coming?

    Also, i dont think that your actions on your "real" account are of issue here - i am sure that the EZA people followed certain threads here and they might also have a copy of your WSO...the rest is adding 1+1 together as well as statements you just made here in the thread. I dont think those people are *that* stupid?

    Why didnt you just shut up when they canned that one account..instead of making it an even bigger issue here with ranting about how unfair they are?

    If i had been in your position i would have NOT made a thread and then basically tell them they are idiots "because i have more people writing for me".....if things come worse they might find a way to find those other writers/articles also...

    /sigh
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      George,

      There are many people on this forum that have said "negative" things about EZA. My post was made so that THEY did not get their accounts suspended...Basically, a warning to watch what they say.

      If your logic holds true...and from your past WSO's...

      Clickbank should ban your account?

      All CPA networks should suspend you?

      It's not about getting the account suspended...It's about the fact that they suspended an account that is as clean as can be. NO hint of any trickery,etc...

      They suspended my account for comments that I've made...PERIOD.

      There is no way that they can look at the performance of that account and come to the conclusion that anything out of the ordinary has been done.

      So again I say - Watch what you say if your EZA account is easily traced back to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Jeremy,



      If i had been in your position i would have NOT made a thread and then basically tell them they are idiots "because i have more people writing for me".....if things come worse they might find a way to find those other writers/articles also...

      /sigh
      If it's not obvious at this point - I don't care.

      EZA is only useful to me for a couple of niches - other than that...They can pound sand.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Stop and think, folks...

      Based on what has been said so far, none of us have any way to know if Jeremy's assumption is correct. None of us... including Jeremy.

      He may be right. If so, it's something to be aware of. How you respond to that kind of decision making would be a personal choice.

      He may also be wrong. The "reason to believe" might be related to a product or other published recommendation made by him. If his account was banned based on his recommending things which are considered destructive by the management of EZA, then I support their decision. Just as I would support banning an account here for posting advice on how to spam message boards, or any technique that violates the TOS of another site.

      The second reason given is one you could easily check for yourself, if it's of interest. Do his articles provide usable advice on the subject, or are they primarily designed to get attention and act as teasers, to draw clicks?

      There is nothing inherently wrong with the latter approach, but it may not be what EZA wants. If that's the challenge, it's a reasonable decision on their part. It may have nothing to do with any comment he's made, and be purely part of a clean-up process that affects a lot of people.

      We don't know.

      Theory 1: Jeremy's right.

      Theory 2: Someone saw comments from him suggesting a technique they don't allow, and looked at his articles. They suspect the first, and discovered the second.

      Theory 3: It's all part of an ongoing process, and has nothing to do with anything he said.

      Theory 4: It's an interpretation by a single editor, and has nothing to do with any other person.

      There are almost certainly other things it could be, too.

      At this point, no-one outside of EZA knows. Including Jeremy. He's made an assumption which seems reasonable to him, but that's all it is.

      Be careful about adjusting your behavior based on such things.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Stop and think, folks...

        .
        ....
        .

        Be careful about adjusting your behavior based on such things.


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        Once again, the voice of logic and reason.

        Thanks Paul for putting things into perspective.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Once again, the voice of logic and reason.

          Thanks Paul for putting things into perspective.

          So.....

          It's not a good idea to watch what you say about EZA publicly? lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            So.....

            It's not a good idea to watch what you say about EZA publicly? lol
            Let's put it this way Jeremy. You and I both know that there have been
            countless threads here bashing Clickbank, PayPal, EZA, and just about
            every site you can think of.

            Have all these people been banned?

            God I hope not or there won't be anybody left to sell digital info products.

            Having said that, naturally it's not going to endear people to you if you
            call them names.

            Point is, Paul has a valid point. Your email gives reasons for the suspension
            and you're assuming it's something else.

            Without proof, all it is, is an assumption.

            Having said all that, look through every post I've ever made here. I rarely,
            if ever, bash any of the big boys.

            No need to stick my head in the noose and tempt fate. In fact, I have
            gone out of my way to make friends with Jen at Clickbank and Chris at
            EZA.

            Why?

            Simple...it's good business.

            Friends can help you.

            Enemies can only hurt you.
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            • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              In fact, I have
              gone out of my way to make friends with Jen at Clickbank and Chris at
              EZA.

              Why?

              Simple...it's good business.

              Friends can help you.

              Enemies can only hurt you.
              Amen!! Its just the wise thing to do.

              (But i am still mad at Seth )
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Let's put it this way Jeremy. You and I both know that there have been
              countless threads here bashing Clickbank, PayPal, EZA, and just about
              every site you can think of.

              Have all these people been banned?

              God I hope not or there won't be anybody left to sell digital info products.

              Having said that, naturally it's not going to endear people to you if you
              call them names.

              Point is, Paul has a valid point. Your email gives reasons for the suspension
              and you're assuming it's something else.

              Without proof, all it is, is an assumption.

              Having said all that, look through every post I've ever made here. I rarely,
              if ever, bash any of the big boys.

              No need to stick my head in the noose and tempt fate. In fact, I have
              gone out of my way to make friends with Jen at Clickbank and Chris at
              EZA.

              Why?

              Simple...it's good business.

              Friends can help you.

              Enemies can only hurt you.
              Steve, I understand what you are saying...

              But, if you could see the stats on this account, you would agree that the "inflating views" assumption on their part is at best "fishing" for a reason to suspend the account.

              So, I really don't care what EZA does with my account or what anyone there thinks about what I've said.

              In my opinion, this experience shows one thing....

              A marketing forum isn't a safe place to discuss issues that you might have with a service/vendor due to reprisals that may happen.

              As stated earlier...If they can honestly look at that account and think that anything wrong has been done...they are much worse off than I thought.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi Jeremy,

              This is from your WSO -

              Title -

              BLACK-HAT Article Marketer Wants To Share His Secrets With You - GET IT NOW!!
              I studied article directories - Especially EzineArticles and payed close attention to exactly how they worked. What they would accept and what they wouldn't accept. What kind of articles perormed better, what titles performed better, what kind of resource boxes actually worked. You'll probably be surprised to learn just as i was that there are SHORTCUTS that you can take to literally dominate the niche of your choice. Want to dominate weight loss? NO PROBLEM! Want to dominate the make money online niche in EZA? NO PROBLEM. I will show you exactly how you can start to dominate them RIGHT AWAY!

              ALL THE SUDDEN IT WAS EASY

              At first, i felt a little guilty about just how easy it was to "abuse the system" and make killer profits from it. However, when I realized just how easy it was and just how little work I actually had to do, my feelings quickly changed. All of the sudden I was getting hundreds or thousands of views a day, a 40% CTR on average, and a steady flow of sales into my ClickBank account and later my CPA accounts. I have to warn you though that these strategies are a little on the "black" side. No, they do not violate any Terms of Service, No, you are not scamming anyone, and no, you are not breaking the law. You would however be taking full advantage of article directories by giving them your "throw away" content and getting more views, click throughs, and sales than even most of the "gurus".
              Your main point in this thread appears to be based around this -

              So, to make a long story short, EZA has again proven themselves to be clowns...congratulations guys...You've sunk to a new low...Suspending the accounts of people who call you out on your incompetence. I must have missed that part of your TOS. lol
              You also said in this thread -

              If I were doing anything "wrong" I would have just shrugged my shoulders and said - "oh well, you play with fire, you get burned" - BUT THAT ISN'T THE CASE.
              Plus -

              The people that submit content for me have been known to push the limits a weeee bit...Not me personally though
              And the title -

              Be Careful What You Say...EZA Rules The World!
              Are you sure it's EZA who have 'sunk to a new low?'

              Wouldn't it be better to show a little self-respect and maturity?

              This is resemblant of a small child who has had their bottom slapped, using wordplay and whingeing to anyone who'll listen about how they have been wronged - when it's blatantly obvious to anyone who's paying attention that if anything, the other party are the ones who have been slighted and wronged - but they're not whingeing and starting threads about it - they're just dealing with it in the only manner available to them.

              How could they possibly leave your named account open with what has transpired? It would look like they were condoning everything you're done/said/sold.

              I have no personal problem with you or any tie or bias towards EZA - I'm actually a purchaser of the WSO of yours that I quoted above. I'm just saying it as I see it. EZA are running an online business too - as are the rest of us - as are you.

              What exactly would you have done if the roles were reversed? Nothing?

              I didn't have a problem with your WSO (I bought it) and I wasn't aware of you saying anything bad about EZA previously but when you go as far as throwing a public pity party while slagging off someone elses business all because of an action they took which (in your own words) doesn't affect you whatsoever - then expect neutrals like me to pop up and suggest that it might be wise to reconsider.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Hi Jeremy,

                This is from your WSO -

                Title -

                Your main point in this thread appears to be based around this -

                You also said in this thread -

                Plus -

                And the title -

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                Are you sure it's EZA who have 'sunk to a new low?'
                So....Let me get this right....

                My account is clean as a whistle...My account gets suspended...and I'm at fault? I'll keep that in mind.

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                Wouldn't it be better to show a little self-respect and maturity?
                What did I do or say in this thread to make you say that? Sure, I took a dig or two, but you do that in almost every thread you participate in, Roger....So,

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                This is resemblant of a small child who has had their bottom slapped, using wordplay and whingeing to anyone who'll listen about how they have been wronged
                What part of I don't care about the account is escaping you? I really could care less what they do with the account in question.

                Delete it
                Suspend it

                They can do whatever they want.

                This thread has never been and never will be about the account.

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                - when it's blatantly obvious to anyone who's paying attention that if anything, the other party are the ones who have been slighted and wronged - but they're not whingeing and starting threads about it - they're just dealing with it in the only manner available to them.
                This account has wronged them? Please tell me how...

                I've wronged them? How? By putting into words how they allowed a select few to get more exposure in their directory than everyone else for years?

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                How could they possibly leave your named account open with what has transpired? It would look like they were condoning everything you're done/said/sold.
                Maybe because the account is not now nor has it ever been in violation of their TOS?

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                I have no personal problem with you or any tie or bias towards EZA - I'm actually a purchaser of the WSO of yours that I quoted above. I'm just saying it as I see it. EZA are running an online business too - as are the rest of us - as are you.
                Understood...the timing of the whole thing is what throws me off. So, I figured with all the talk about EZA on the forum and the way it often turns negative, I would give a heads up to everyone else. My bad.

                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                What exactly would you have done if the roles were reversed? Nothing?
                I might have tried to be more direct?

                "Hey, how's it going? I read your product....I don't really appreciate it - I'm sure you can understand why your account is suspended" instead of coming up with something that is obviously BS...

                The book has been out for what....6 months? They just get around to suspending my account now after I've mouthed off a bit?

                Makes perfect sense....
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                • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                  "Hey, how's it going? I read your product....I don't really appreciate it - I'm sure you can understand why your account is suspended" instead of coming up with something that is obviously BS...

                  The book has been out for what....6 months? They just get around to suspending my account now after I've mouthed off a bit?

                  Makes perfect sense....
                  That's true, but it only seems like recently that they started cleaning out accounts. So it is possible that it's a coincidence. If the decision was based on your WSO, I'm not sure why they wouldn't be more direct...but of course on the OTHER accounts that you mention in your WSO the reason they gave could make SOME sense...

                  And..If they know you are directing SOME accounts that are violating TOS I could see why they would want to suspend your main account (although if what you're saying is true about the main account, the reason given obviously would be tenous, at best).

                  By suspending the main account, they MAY be sending a message about the other accounts they can't directly tie to you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                    Originally Posted by markquinn View Post

                    That's true, but it only seems like recently that they started cleaning out accounts. So it is possible that it's a coincidence. If the decision was based on your WSO, I'm not sure why they wouldn't be more direct...but of course on the OTHER accounts that you mention in your WSO the reason they gave could make SOME sense...
                    No account that is registered to me, anyone in my house, or anyone in my business is in violation of a single TOS at EZA...PERIOD.

                    The product that I created contained ONE thing that was in violation of their TOS - I made then and will make no secret of it now that it was included. For the people that have implemented it, EZA can only guess whether they are or not....

                    Originally Posted by markquinn View Post

                    And..If they know you are directing SOME accounts that are violating TOS I could see why they would want to suspend your main account (although if what you're saying is true about the main account, the reason given obviously would be tenous, at best).
                    Agreed, but im not in control of any other accounts. I have people that write and submit articles....just the same as a shed load of other warriors here do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Stop and think, folks...

        We don't know.


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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          We do have a Warrior here that does know ... come out, come out from wherever you are ... Chris.
          I did say, "no-one outside of EZA."

          That said, it's possible under a couple of those scenarios that Chris isn't personally aware of the reason. It's also possible that he is. Again, we don't know.

          I think we need to remember that there is no obligation on the part of anyone to jump to answer allegations made in this, or any other, discussion forum.


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      • Profile picture of the author Tim_Hawksworth
        Thanks for the post Jeremy.

        I only have about 30 articles on EZA and when I started I made afw serious mistakes - like not rewriting all of the article. This resulted in my account suspended for a few days.

        However I admitted the mistake and explianed why it happened and got the account reopend. I found them to be more curtiuos to me than I expected. I also learned pretty quickly to write only original content.

        I don't bother with PLR stuff anymore except as an idea base.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    I've been a pretty outgoing voice with regards to the incompetence of the editors at EZA whenever the subject gets brought up - I basically don't hide the fact that I am of the opinion that I think they don't know that they are doing
    This is "positive feedback"? I'd hate to see what you'd say if you wanted to trash them...:rolleyes:

    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    Actually, The people that submit content for me have been known to push the limits a weeee bit...Not me personally though
    Ah, "plausible deniability" strikes again...

    Sounds a lot like the guy who was trying to justify buying pageviews by claiming he'd paid for righteous traffic, and if his contractor cheated, it wasn't his fault...
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    • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      This is "positive feedback"? I'd hate to see what you'd say if you wanted to trash them...:rolleyes:



      Ah, "plausible deniability" strikes again...

      Sounds a lot like the guy who was trying to justify buying pageviews by claiming he'd paid for righteous traffic, and if his contractor cheated, it wasn't his fault...
      Ah ... rationalization, one of the great defense mechanisms.
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    • Profile picture of the author momkat
      Jeremy:

      Did they remove the articles under the account? I have heard that this is happening as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      This is "positive feedback"? I'd hate to see what you'd say if you wanted to trash them...:rolleyes:

      It's the most positive thing I could think of
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    we know why he was banned, he posted an email from eza earlier where they said why his account was suspended.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      we know why he was banned, he posted an email from eza earlier where they said why his account was suspended.

      I'm not banned and according to the conditions that they sent in the email - my account will likely be reinstated...as I've done nothing wrong
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      we know why he was banned, he posted an email from eza earlier where they said why his account was suspended.
      Read the second sentence in my post. The question is about his assumption about the banning (correction: suspension), not "what reasons were given."


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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      we know why he was banned, he posted an email from eza earlier where they said why his account was suspended.
      And nowhere in that email does it say "we suspended your account because you said mean things about us", does it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        And nowhere in that email does it say "we suspended your account because you said mean things about us", does it?

        It says they banned my account because of something that is ridiculous to conclude from looking at the account.

        If they honestly think I was buying traffic to those articles...they are worse off than I initially thought.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          It says they banned my account because of something that is ridiculous to conclude from looking at the account.

          If they honestly think I was buying traffic to those articles...they are worse off than I initially thought.
          I have no personal ax to grind with you, Jeremy, but it sure sounds like a case of

          "Yer Honor, I was never there, it wasn't my gun, and besides, that's not the guy I shot..."

          You have one clean account under your name. You also have a product out under the same name that tells people how to game the system, and you have people working for you who you know "push the boundaries a wee bit". Yet you're bent out of shape because they suspended your account for assuming you might be using the same tactics you teach, even though your "alibi" account is clean.

          Who'da thunk it?

          Edit: Just noticed how you phrased the last part of your reply...

          If they honestly think I was buying traffic to those articles... (emphasis mine)

          Might you be a graduate student of Clintonian Semantics?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            I have no personal ax to grind with you, Jeremy, but it sure sounds like a case of

            "Yer Honor, I was never there, it wasn't my gun, and besides, that's not the guy I shot..."

            You have one clean account under your name. You also have a product out under the same name that tells people how to game the system, and you have people working for you who you know "push the boundaries a wee bit". Yet you're bent out of shape because they suspended your account for assuming you might be using the same tactics you teach, even though your "alibi" account is clean.

            Who'da thunk it?

            Edit: Just noticed how you phrased the last part of your reply...

            If they honestly think I was buying traffic to those articles... (emphasis mine)

            Might you be a graduate student of Clintonian Semantics?
            I'm just curious...How many different ways can we find to phrase the same thought a different way?

            I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING....I've said that from the beginning.

            blah - I'm done with it.

            Now, by everyone elses thinking, I'm going to go and turn everyone here into Google that sells backlink packets....same thing right?

            I'm also going to turn everyone in that has more than one acct at a social bookmarking site.

            While I'm at it, I will turn everyone in with a link in their sig files on forums that have part of their TOS that says "no commercial use"

            I sold a book that showed how to manipulate numbers at EZA...There I"ve admitted it again for the 9000th time, good enough?

            I never said that they could not suspend my acct or even that they were wrong for doing it...but to suspend my account for in my opinion speaking out about their illiterate editors is a little goofy.

            Please notice - I said MY OPINION above. That way noone has to explain to me that it is Chris' business (OK, james) - I get it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete Egeler
    My account was recently suspended by EZA because they Googled articles with similar titles. Then, they have the balls to write me and ask me to change the URL in another article in my "suspended" account.

    I no longer use EZA.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

      My account was recently suspended by EZA because they Googled articles with similar titles. Then, they have the balls to write me and ask me to change the URL in another article in my "suspended" account.

      I no longer use EZA.

      Pete
      Pete, you have to understand...They know that you Jaywalked back in 96' so they are just trying to keep the riff raff out.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I was checking many EZA articles recently and i see that so many articles and authors authors have views "out of this world".

    It is very obvious that a whole number of marketers use "those" methods.

    As fascinating the methods are, it opens up a whole number of dilemmas:

    *) A writer who does not use those gray or black techniques cannot compete which such numbers like 30.000 views/month - unless he does the SAME and then risks that his account is getting banned.

    *) Its also a dilemma for EZA (i think) since it might not be easy to just suspend all authors and accounts with such high views, even if they have proof that the views are fake. What if someone uses such methods on a competitor too boot out a competitor? ;/

    EZA needs a system in place so that artificial views are not counted - similar as youtube now has a system in place and its not possible anymore to run a bot on youtube to inflate views on videos. I think YT does it by measuring the actual time a visitor spends on the site - and of course looking at the IPs.

    Or just totally get rid of the "most viewed" section and don't reward those "most viewed" articles anymore with exposure on the site.

    In all fairness...
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  • Profile picture of the author DASHBOY
    Thanks for the heads up Jeremy.

    Who do Ezine think they are? Ebay or something with all these new rules,

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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    What I always that was funny, was they will suspend your account for any reason why they think of, but they will always keep all your articles live after they suspend your account. Even though they say, in there TOS, that the articles belong to you and you own all the rights to the articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
    But, Jeremy...

    Do you really understand what everyone is saying? I mean...really?

    Just teasing, bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Chris Hunter View Post

      But, Jeremy...

      Do you really understand what everyone is saying? I mean...really?

      Just teasing, bro.
      No....

      I'm hoping someone will be thoughtful enough to jump in and rephrase it for me again - I'm a little slow

      I think the gist of it is this:

      The reason that my account was suspended doesn't matter...Only that is deserved to be suspended because of things that I've said/written on other sites than EZA.

      I think that about sums it up
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  • Profile picture of the author Shana_Adam
    I dont know how people can concentrate long enough to read articles on ezines. The advertising adsense spots are a sight for sore eyes.

    How are they providing value to readers when no one can engage an article long enough to get value out of it. The advertising blocks are a nuisance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
    Jeremy,

    I was going to rephrase it one more time for you, but, by God, I think you've got it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Jeremy, why do you insist your suspension is because of "speaking out"? Why wouldn't they look closely at your account since you sold a wso showing how to get inflated views? From the email, it would seem that is really why you are getting looked over.


      I have no dog in this fight. I just find it strange you are so sure it is because of the way you talked about them on this forum instead of your wso.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Jeremy, why do you insist your suspension is because of "speaking out"? Why wouldn't they look closely at your account since you sold a wso showing how to get inflated views. From the email, it would seem that is really why you are getting looked over.
        Because the account has been inactive for quite a while...Plus, the results of that account are far less than impressive lol

        In order for any funny business to have gone on with that account, the articles in it would have had to of received -1000 views each.


        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I have no dog in this fight. I just find it strange you are so sure it is because of the way you talked about them on this forum instead of your wso.
        Again, it's because nobody with half an inkling of common sense could look at that account and think anything was "up" with it...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Because the account has been inactive for quite a while...Plus, the results of that account are far less than impressive lol

          In order for any funny business to have gone on with that account, the articles in it would have had to of received -1000 views each.




          Again, it's because nobody with half an inkling of common sense could look at that account and think anything was "up" with it...

          Maybe they just found your lovely wso and couldn't put it down all night.

          I still think they may be going after you for the wso regardless if that account is clean. That may be the only account they could find associated with you.
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      • Profile picture of the author momkat
        Jeremy:
        It sounds as though you have several accounts thru people that work for you. If in fact those articles point to the same landing pages as the articles under your account that 'never breaks the rules' - it is quite easy to figure out that those other accounts 'belong' to you. Having people who work for you that stretch things 'a bit' - who point to the same landing pages is pretty easy to figure out. Even if they don't point to the same landing pages - it's also easy to use Affiliate Elite to reverse engineer which articles/authors point to the same Clickbank affiliate Id. If any of these scenarios are true - it will be quite easy for Ezinearticles to identify which accounts are technically yours.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          All this lovely hostility wasted on pure speculation.

          Some folks are so sure they've guessed right that they're getting nasty over it. Why? Because they can't seem to grasp that it doesn't matter whether it's wrong or right, since it's just a guess.

          How many enemies is it worth to defend a guess?


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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            All this lovely hostility wasted on pure speculation.

            Some folks are so sure they've guessed right that they're getting nasty over it. Why? Because they can't seem to grasp that it doesn't matter whether it's wrong or right, since it's just a guess.

            How many enemies is it worth to defend a guess?


            Paul

            Screw you Paul. I know I am right and your wrong. Jeremy made too much money with his wso and Chris got jealous.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

              Screw you Paul. I know I am right and your wrong. Jeremy made too much money with his wso and Chris got jealous.
              That should be "you're wrong."

              Please, at least spell right when you're going to get nasty.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                That should be "you're wrong."

                Please, at least spell right when you're going to get nasty.
                Screw you Wags. I am sure my spelling has nothing to do with my account being suspended. It is a conspiracy I tells ya.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            All this lovely hostility wasted on pure speculation.

            Some folks are so sure they've guessed right that they're getting nasty over it. Why? Because they can't seem to grasp that it doesn't matter whether it's wrong or right, since it's just a guess.

            How many enemies is it worth to defend a guess?


            Paul

            Paul, for the record - I was not trying to be hostile.

            Sure, my first post might have been a bit "out of place" with the way I worded it, I can accept that...but, my intention was to seriously issue a warning because of some of the conversations that have happened here.

            As the thread has continued, I've weighed carefully what I've said. However, if my comments have come across as "hostile" that certainly wasn't my intention.

            Have I been aggravated at times in some of my replies? Sure...

            But, I don't believe I've been hostile.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Jeremy,
              Paul, for the record - I was not trying to be hostile.
              Of course you're not. I know that. You're trying to be right. Just like everyone else.

              The problem with being "right" in a situation like this is that there's no way to measure it. Without more information, you can't be sure. Until you're sure, everyone who's got their ego invested in an opinion can hang on to it.

              You started the thread with a sarcastic tone. The folks who replied expected you to continue with one, so they got defensive in advance. They were so busy getting ready for battle that they didn't bother looking for the real message. Some of them argued with you while they were agreeing with you.

              And you argued right back.

              Nobody's trying to be hostile, but everyone is getting aggravated.

              How much sense does THAT make?


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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                Jeremy,Of course you're not. I know that. You're trying to be right. Just like everyone else.

                The problem with being "right" in a situation like this is that there's no way to measure it. Without more information, you can't be sure. Until you're sure, everyone who's got their ego invested in an opinion can hang on to it.

                You started the thread with a sarcastic tone. The folks who replied expected you to continue with one, so they got defensive in advance. They were so busy getting ready for battle that they didn't bother looking for the real message. Some of them argued with you while they were agreeing with you.

                And you argued right back.

                Nobody's trying to be hostile, but everyone is getting aggravated.

                How much sense does THAT make?


                Paul
                Screw You Paul!

















                Of course your right...but, the back and fourth was fun while it lasted? lol
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Screw You Paul!
                  Not tonight, dear. I have some standards left.
                  Of course your right...
                  But of course. And it stays fun, as long as we all remember that I'm right. The rest of you are just guessing.


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                  • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
                    Time to get the tequila out and make marguritas.

                    Pop some popcorn.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
                      Originally Posted by Robert Oliver View Post

                      Time to get the tequila out and make marguritas.

                      Pop some popcorn.

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                      ....did someone write "tequila"? My favorite liquor in the whole wide world?

                      @ Jeremy, I feel ya.....

                      @ Rog, yo Rog, good to cya back in here!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    This is the first thread I've read all the way through in a long time. The reason I did so was to see the reactions.

    ...Regardless of anything else this thread has made people worried because EZA holds a large stake in their online business. Whether in rankings or traffic - or both.

    Things aren't as easy online as they once were. Getting started online, and at least making it somewhere, requires more than a few free sources these days. To get anywhere you need to diversify and protect.

    Diversify where your links and traffic come from and protect your digital assets as if they were bars of gold in your home.

    This reminds me of a site I made a few months ago. It was promoting a not so hot re-bill at the time, yes flame away, and Google decided to crack the whip on it, and 400 other biz-op related sites.

    It just so happened that this was hosted on Bluehost, on a dedicated IP, with 4 other sites. (Meaning the same IP dedicated to the 4 sites.) All were taken down - even though the 3 other sites simply promoted some e-book that was great.

    Because I didn't protect myself with new IP's for each site I suffered the consequences. A costly mistake.

    ...The same applies here. What if Jeremy's account had articles making him $100/day or more. All of a sudden, regardless of how much he's making overall, a large amount of money is instantly gone.

    Regardless on your viewpoint of the whole thread, or the business practices discussed, take away from it what lessons you really need to survive online. The online world is changing rapidly and you can lose out big time if you don't take a step back and see how you've structured your empire.

    Zach

    P.S - I'm just waiting for the typical, "Well I do nothing wrong - I promoted this e-book that converts at 0.5% so I have nothing to worry about." Google doesn't care about your site - they won't take the time to get on your e-mail list and see what a real nice person you are.

    They'll make a split second judgement call and your site will be gone - with a click of a button. Just like in the offline world sh.it aint fair.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

    Screw you Wags. I am sure my spelling has nothing to do with my account being suspended. It is a conspiracy I tells ya.
    8 Ball in the side pocket

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    *Skips Debate*

    Just pay for Premium, the editors suddenly become extremely "competent" and start approving all of your articles within hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tommy Turner
    I've never had a problem with EZA. I use them allot for my submissions.

    With so many members I'm sure it makes it difficult to not have some bad situations. if your comments were legitimate, and they dropped you that is a bummer!

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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    So... What is the next best article marketing directory?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Jeremy, you're right about one thing - we're dancing around the same thing in different words. Like you said, though, the argument was fun while it lasted.

      I say if folks want to see the show continue, we do it WWE style and make it a pay-per-view...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Jeremy, you're right about one thing - we're dancing around the same thing in different words. Like you said, though, the argument was fun while it lasted.

        I say if folks want to see the show continue, we do it WWE style and make it a pay-per-view...
        Cool....

        Just as long as you know, I won't be able to promote the damn fight with Articles at the moment
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
          We could promote it using SEO

          Backlinks, backlinks, backlinks

          Hell, maybe Angela might donate

          a link package for the cause.

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          • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
            Christi,

            2.Goarticles
            3.Articlebase

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      Originally Posted by Christie Love View Post

      So... What is the next best article marketing directory?
      ArticleBase and GoArticles

      I have found that they are outranking Ezine in many cases now anyway. That's what Mr. Knight needs to worry about. Not Jeremy's account that he barely uses. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author patcon
    EZA is notoriously picky and unless you have a personal domain name, you cannot place any articles with Affiliate links.

    If you are having issues with them, try the Directory of Ezines and you will be pleasantly surprised how good and user friendly this site is.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by patcon View Post

      EZA is notoriously picky and unless you have a personal domain name, you cannot place any articles with Affiliate links.
      This is indeed a "little" annoying...i would VERY much like that they would at least support subdomains, like subdomain.mysite.com <----

      Need constantly to buy a ****load of domains...and guess what, they're ALL due to renew right now ;/

      Not sure whether EZA people read this thread...but i would like to know why subdomains like in the above example are not accepted.
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    Jeremy, that reminds me when I was suspended from eBay. I used to do pretty well on eBay about 5 years ago. I had 700+ positivies and 0 negatives. One person complained about a $7 purchase not received and I was zapped, no questions asked. Ever try to call eBay? You can't. So I said, screw it. I could have reinstated but I didn't want to give them the pleasure of begging to get back in.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Paul,

      You're trying to be right. Just like everyone else.[snip]

      Until you're sure, everyone who's got their ego invested in an opinion can hang on to it.[snip]

      The folks who replied expected you to continue with one, so they got defensive in advance. They were so busy getting ready for battle that they didn't bother looking for the real message. Some of them argued with you while they were agreeing with you.[snip]

      everyone is getting aggravated
      It's not like you to make such sweeping, all-encompassing statements.

      I suggested that it would be wise for Jeremy to reconsider his position.

      I'll explain why - I've watched countless people come through here and then start making public statements about how things are going well for them, they are expanding and taking on staff etc. (Just as Jeremy has.)

      I'm genuinely delighted for him and Don that things are going so well. I've seen a lot worse types then them gain success. And the vast majority of them also leave their humility and wisdom behind at that point and get too big for their boots, forgetting where they came from and who it was who helped them step up along the way. It's sad to see over and over again.

      It would be refreshing to see someone (like Jeremy) bucking this trend. In fact, as a customer, I expect him to and would be disappointed if he didn't.

      Considering that Jeremy claims to have done well by using EZA, and his WSO wasn't the cheapest when I bought it, but seems to have sold a lot, he appears to have done alright out of them.

      As I said in my original post -

      How could they possibly leave your named account open with what has transpired? It would look like they were condoning everything you've done/said/sold.[snip]

      What exactly would you have done if the roles were reversed? Nothing?[snip]

      Wouldn't it be better to show a little self-respect and maturity?
      You could view what I said above as an attempt to be right, an ego-invested opinion, defensiveness, aggravation. You could assume that I have some vested interest in defending EZA or their actions, or that I even use EZA.

      Or you could view it as it was intended - friendly advice.
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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        I'm genuinely delighted for him and Don that things are going so well. I've seen a lot worse types then them gain success.
        Damn what I do? I want a recount...I want a new trial...what is with this guilty by association? I don't even know the guy. I wasn't there when it happened? Mommy!!!! Mommy!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          Roger,
          On a side note...I really do like ya man...I like reading your posts etc...I get a kick out of your analytical processing of posts etc...

          But I do have to say one thing as far as what you are expecting from Jeremy....
          EZA didn't make either one of us...As a matter of fact I look at is as...we that gave them more traffic. More traffic being brought in by Jeremy because I am not a huge article marketing fan...I am a traffic anyway I can get it sort of guy.

          So to knock EZA for things I would feel are wrong or out of place...doesn't bother me in the least. This isn't some incredibly smart person who helped us out when we were down and now we are kicking sand in their face...

          It is basically a site where...They will take all your articles...steal a percentage of the clicks for adsense...while taking $97/month from you and send most of the clicks to you.

          Do I think it is wrong? Their business format? Hell no...I would throw AdSense up there too...Well not on the premium accounts...that is wrong...but on the freebie accounts you damn betcha...

          But...If let's say...Jeremy's account was suspended for stating something in a forum...blah...too me that looks more like EZA would be the cry babies...in that case...

          Either way...this thread got twisted around in several different directions... Trust me the account means nothing to Jeremy and means nothing to EZA... It was just a warning on what Jeremy felt was the cause of the suspension...

          Blah who cares anymore...
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            What surprised me in this thread was learning Jeremy uses EZA and had a paid account there. I've seen so many complaints about EZA and the people who work there from Jeremy in various threads that I didn't think he used the service any more.

            He may be right in his assumption but there's no proof of the reason he gives. His arguments of innocence are self-serving as he states people who worked for him may have pushed limits - and he pushed the limits in his WSO. It begins to sound like "You can't do that to ME".

            This whole thing is a bit like trashing McDonald's for their high calorie, low nutrition food choices - and then picking up a Big Mac for lunch.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Kay,

              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              What surprised me in this thread was learning Jeremy uses EZA and had a paid account there. I've seen so many complaints about EZA and the people who work there from Jeremy in various threads that I didn't think he used the service any more.

              He may be right in his assumption but there's no proof of the reason he gives. His arguments of innocence are self-serving as he states people who worked for him may have pushed limits - and he pushed the limits in his WSO. It begins to sound like "You can't do that to ME".

              This whole thing is a bit like trashing McDonald's for their high calorie, low nutrition food choices - and then picking up a Big Mac for lunch.

              kay
              I understand what you are saying.

              BUT

              EZA suspended my account for a reason that COULDN'T be true. I'm just going by what they said in their email.

              Reason: "You are inflating your view count"

              By looking at the account, they KNOW that isn't true.

              It is much like the cops accusing some guy of robbing a store when he was sitting in the back seat of their police car at the time it happened

              If they sent me an email and said "We suspended your account because we don't appreciate your product" I never would have made this thread.

              They have every right to suspend my account for ANY reason they want. That is not what I'm arguing here.

              I was trying to do nothing other than warn people that being vocal in a negative way could have some sort of repercussion. So, if you value your account, you might want to be careful about what you say publicly.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I agree about the reason - it sounds far fetched.

                I'm beginning to think there are a list of "reasons" editors can use and they just pick one.

                What I've heard of recently are many rejections due to submitting articles that are clearly only written to target a keyword phrase. One example is that three people I know of have been getting rejections of articles where the title targets a geographical location. The reason given is "title does not match content" - but it does.

                I can also see there are similar articles on EZA on the exact same topic written the same way - so my own conclusion is EZA is cracking down on a lot of things we've come to consider our "right" to publish. That might be because so many marketers are using the same methods - just a guess.

                One I saw in particular was "Legal DUI Loopholes in Portland" - when resubmitted without "in Portland" it was accepted.

                "Inflating view count" as a reason should logically (to me at least) have some reference to why that charge is made - but we know they don't do that. It's like Google and "invalid clicks".

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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Roger,
                  It's not like you to make such sweeping, all-encompassing statements.
                  You're right. I should have qualified that as "most," rather than leaving it look like "all."


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                    Hi Paul,

                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Roger...You're right.
                    Screenshotted, printed off, gloss finished, framed and up on the wall already. Family,friends and neighbours invited round for celebratory meal. These type of achievements don't occur around here that often, you know?

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                  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
                    Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                    Hi Karl. I wondered where you had been. Glad you're still alive.
                    I, too, am glad to be alive I've just been... well, absent. But, I decided it's time to come back and make the world a better place again.

                    Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

                    It just shows if you put your eggs in one basket then basically you are shooting yourself in the foot.
                    Beautiful wordcraft.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
            Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

            Do I think it is wrong? Their business format? Hell no...I would throw AdSense up there too...Well not on the premium accounts...that is wrong...but on the freebie accounts you damn betcha...
            See, I think that if you are a Premium member, you should not have AdSense on your pages.

            They should at least provide some option for it.

            I'd pay for that if it was provided...
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  • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
    I remember the day I deleted everything in my EZA account.....

    got tired of inconsistency....and ...and....and....

    I came here and posted a rant thread.

    It got deleted in less than five minutes (which jayextreme actually predicted before it happened....

    Over the past few months i just read one EZA thread after another.....

    and I realize that my opinion was justified.....

    I was hoping that their standards being raised would sort out the prob's....

    But it seems that it's only the author standards that were raised....

    Just the impression I get.

    I cannot talk from experience any more since I no longer submit to them. Every time I consider going back, a new EZA thread comes along....

    And I put my content where I prefer it - on my own site.

    Just my 0.02c

    ps...Jeremy - maybe they do not appreciate being associated with "poor" people....

    I vaguely remember Chris speaking out against BUM marketing, so maybe.....
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    I write 400 word articles or more on a subject that provides value. I've never had a bad experience with them. All you have to do is provide quality and not appear like you are trying to make some quick cash and you'll be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
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  • Profile picture of the author yves
    I have to put my bit in here too.

    A while back I managed to get myself into an Ezine article debate, when all the adsense debacle was going on. Anyway, I half expected to get my account suspended or some other problem and what happened....

    I was given platinum status! I was due to get this after a few more articles providing everything was ok and it was.

    A few weeks after that I got a prezzie with the mouse mat, pad and pen. So really I have to say I was very fairly treated and have not complaints with Ezine whatsoever, plus I do put a bit of time into writing my articles and they get accepted every time.

    I know people have there complaints and issues with Ezine but I thought it was only fair to give them their due credit here.

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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Diana,

      And since we are all allegedly in business, it follows that my submissions to EZA were never a 'kindness' expected to be repaid.
      When I saw the 'kindness' comment originally, I couldn't get the vision out of my head of Steve Martin in 'Planes, Trains and Automobiles' - when John Candy has just destroyed the car and set it on fire, and Martin has realised that the car was hired on his credit card by Candy - and Candy's defence for using it was because he thought Martin had put the card in his wallet.

      So Martin asks him why on earth he would have put the card in his wallet.

      To which Candy replies - 'kindness?'

      So I have this vision of Chris Knight (as Steve Martin) responding to this suggestion, while on the verge of completely losing his marbles....

      'Kindness? KINDNESS??!!'

      ...............

      Hi Karl. I wondered where you had been. Glad you're still alive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
    Banned
    I don't really bother with EZINE Articles anymore. It just shows if you put your eggs in one basket then basically you are shooting yourself in the foot.

    I enjoyed being a premium member for a month but got bored of Ezine Articles. There are lots of excellent Article directories out there. EZA is not the only one and I think their interface should be improved - it is too bright!

    Now sorry to hear about your suspension Jeremy but maybe this is a wake up call for some...!!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    ...being vocal in a negative way could have some sort of repercussion.
    Did this surprise you?
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  • Profile picture of the author BigRedNotebook
    If EzineArticles is going to suspend accounts based on unnatural, obviously inflated page view numbers, I hope they have a good methodology in place to determine who the responsible parties really are.

    Otherwise, one could toss $20 at a lousy "pay to read" traffic generation service just to screw with a competitor.

    Hell, someone may have made a $5 penny-per-click ad spend somewhere just to make Jeremy's life harder.

    We've seen people do that crap before (clicking competitor's Adsense ads a few billion times to get them banned, etc.) and I wouldn't put a trick like this above the more ethically challenged folks out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by BigRedNotebook View Post

      If EzineArticles is going to suspend accounts based on unnatural, obviously inflated page view numbers, I hope they have a good methodology in place to determine who the responsible parties really are.

      Otherwise, one could toss $20 at a lousy "pay to read" traffic generation service just to screw with a competitor.

      Hell, someone may have made a $5 penny-per-click ad spend somewhere just to make Jeremy's life harder.

      We've seen people do that crap before (clicking competitor's Adsense ads a few billion times to get them banned, etc.) and I wouldn't put a trick like this above the more ethically challenged folks out there.
      Very insightful. One could find a big competitor, create a WF account using their name, start a negative EZA thread and get them banned on this premise alone. Disturbing.

      The near equivalent of clicking on a competitor's Adsense ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Otherwise, one could toss $20 at a lousy "pay to read" traffic generation service just to screw with a competitor.
    One could find a big competitor, create a WF account using their name, start a negative EZA thread and get them banned on this premise alone. Disturbing.
    That's WHY this thread is alarming...
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      That's WHY this thread is alarming...
      that's what i mentioned earlier - and that's why i "proposed" EZA should maybe get rid of the "most viewed" sections all together.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        that's what i mentioned earlier - and that's why i "proposed" EZA should maybe get rid of the "most viewed" sections all together.
        I agree because too many want to abuse a system and then cry when they get banned for doing so. If I was chris it would become a full paid directory, no ad sense ads, and no most viewed section.

        But that's me ...

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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          I agree because too many want to abuse a system and then cry when they get banned for doing so. If I was chris it would become a full paid directory, no ad sense ads, and no most viewed section.

          But that's me ...

          James
          Just curious....

          If you owned a directory, what difference would it make to you on the following things:

          1. Who was on the most viewed list?
          2. How many backlinks were pointed at articles on your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Oh what did we ever do to get found by search engines before there were article directories... oh... I remember... publish our own content and focus on getting links directly to that content on our site - which is why sites that still do this continuously rank higher in search.

    You think Oracle pays some article writer to post EZA articles about databases to boost their rankings? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    EZA is basically a giant adsense farm in many consumers' eyes.

    If I'm searching for info and come across an EZA article in the results it's typically a poorly written/researched prod to click the ad at the bottom while I'm bombarded with more adsense than a normal person would tolerate.

    Their primary power comes from their inexplicable ability to rank in google.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      EZA is basically a giant adsense farm in many consumers' eyes.

      If I'm searching for info and come across an EZA article in the results it's typically a poorly written/researched prod to click the ad at the bottom while I'm bombarded with more adsense than a normal person would tolerate.

      Their primary power comes from their inexplicable ability to rank in google.
      I agree but they don't rank that well and they can be easily kicked off the front page... There are other sites that have way more link juice power...

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        This is why I love this forum so much. We can argue, disagree, even get on
        each other's nerves, but in the end, we're still family and respect each other.

        To Roger

        A while ago, I started a thread in OT asking if you were okay because I
        hadn't seen you in a while. Glad to see you back. I missed you. I so enjoy
        reading your posts because they're so well thought out.

        To Paul Myers

        Whenever there is a thread that I am torn on, I look to see what your
        input is because more often than not, you are the voice of reason and
        common sense. You may not know this, but many times when I have been
        faced with my own dilemmas, I have looked to your words for guidance.
        In spite of my coming off as a "know it all" sometimes, I am not the
        brightest bulb on the Christmas tree and many times need to be shown
        the way. All of my IM knowledge has come from other people, with very
        few exceptions. I admit that freely, especially when there are so many
        really brilliant people to learn from.

        To Jeremy

        I have the greatest respect for you as a person. I've enjoyed our Friday
        night chats and our talk on the phone. You remind me of the guy who I
        always wanted to be, throw caution to the wind and roll with the punches.
        Me, I usually play it safe because I'm always so afraid I'm going to screw
        things up. You've been marketing online half the time that I have and have
        come 5 times as far. Something needs to be said for that. As for your
        relationship with EZA, I'm not going to judge either way. It's not for me
        to do so. Each one of us has to do what we feel is right. I know, in the
        end, you'll do what's right for you.

        To Thomas Cue Ball Head

        Screw you too. And the cue stick you rode in on. :p

        All kidding aside, you have always cracked me up since the first day I
        read one of your replies. If you hadn't gone into IM, I think you would
        have made a great standup comedian. I mean that sincerely.

        To Everybody Else

        There have been several interpretations of Jeremy's OP. Some took it as
        whining and others took it as the warning that I truly believe Jeremy
        intended it as. As somebody who follows EZAs rules to the letter (part of
        my fear of screwing up) if I had my account suspended and knew it was
        for no good reason (and believe me, it would have to be) I too would come
        here and warn people if I had a good idea of why the suspension occurred.
        As it is, I did have my account suspended once for, of all things, a bounced
        email address. Imagine my shock when I found out I was suspended for
        something so trivial. But as soon as I changed it to another email I was
        sure wouldn't bounce, I was reinstated.

        I have no doubt that if Jeremy wants to fight this and can show that
        there was no reason for his account to be suspended that it too will
        be reinstated. I have known Chris now for several years and have
        communicated many times with him personally. Yes, I have gone out of
        my way to make him a friend. But I can honestly say that he has been
        more than fair in his dealings with me (even went out of his way to make
        custom adjustments to my account because of problems I've had) and I
        can't imagine him suspending an account for no reason.

        Believe it or not, EZA is not the evil empire run by Darth Vader. They're
        just another business trying to stay in business and stay profitable, just
        like all of us. If somebody was doing something to hurt or undermine my
        business, I would deal with them accordingly...no matter who they were
        and no matter what the offense was. Ultimately, my livelihood and well
        being has to come above all else. And as long as I am doing that ethically
        and honestly, I answer to no one else.

        Again, I am not going to comment on EZA's TOS or the contents of
        Jeremy's WSO or how he has conducted his personal article writing
        campaign. That is between Jeremy and his conscience and Chris and
        his rules. Whatever went down, there is really only one person who knows
        the whole story, and that's Chris. We can speculate all we want. But
        ultimately, that's all it is without proof.

        But again, that's why I love this forum. We can do this and still remain
        friends at the end of the day.

        If you're wondering why this heart on the sleeve reply, tomorrow is
        Thanksgiving...the first one without my mom. As I am typing this the
        tears fall from my eyes. I miss her more than you can imagine and her
        death this year has taught me so much, so many lessons...lessons I wish
        I had learned a long time ago.

        But as she used to say to me, "It's never too late as long as there is life."

        So I want all of you to go out tomorrow and enjoy the day. Enjoy your
        loved ones and your families and be thankful for what you have in this
        life...because it goes way too fast...way too fast.

        EZA may rule the world...but the Warrior Forum is the universal family as
        far as I'm concerned.

        I love you all.
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          • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
            Originally Posted by djbory View Post

            A Question From a Newbie:

            I know you supposedly can't have more than one account at ezine... but it is for me hard to believe that you can't find a way to open another account using a different name... Please explain:confused:
            Of course you can open a new account, lol.

            Google doesn't want you to have more than one Adwords account but yet anyone who does anything big, knowing the slaps currently happening, has more than 1 account.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    EZA reminds me why I went into business for myself! They are the boss not us. No matter what rules they set, we can choose to abide by them or not. If we don't want to use them, then we move on. They don't need us telling them what they can and can't do. A lot of people that are reading this are self employed or trying to be because they can't stand people telling them what to do. Who are we to tell EZA how to run there business. I wouldn't want someone telling me I had to do something that I thought would hurt my business. When your that big you have to do things that Google likes. If they aren't considered reputable to Google, then they aren't any use to any of us anyway. It's similiar to joining a country club. We do it because they don't let anyone off the street in their doors. Being selective is what makes a business have authority.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    To Steven's point. We come in here and ask and answer the same questions so many times. I.E. (How do I get backlinks that it is kind of fun to argue with each other. (as long as we keep it in context and just for fun).

    Have a happy thanksgiving everyone!

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  • Profile picture of the author Zanti
    Thanks Paul and to you Steven,

    It really takes a Man to honestly share who he is and be vulnerable, which you did Steven.

    I agree this forum is a place where we can all have our different points of view and remain friends.

    Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and all here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
    Everyone knows Google rules the world... They will probably buy Ezine Articles soon enough, if they have not already...
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      As was mentioned, it seems like speculation on Jeremy's part to say that his account was suspended due to him speaking out against EZA's practices, as there's no defintive evidence that that was the reason. I agree that if the account really was on the up and up, then the reason they gave for the suspension in their email doesn't make sense.

      Either way, I think the take away lesson is that you should spend your time and energy building up your OWN long term assets, not someone else's (email subscriber list, blog, authority site, etc.). That way, you're not subject to the whims of EZA, Goarticles, Google, Facebook or any other single property. I'm not saying don't use them. Just use them in a smarter way.
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      • Profile picture of the author djbory
        Well guys if any of you have checked ezine today you'd see that they cracked down on every single account that had articles with inflated views.

        Not only they reduced the term on the views to 60, but after that they pulled every article they thought had inflated views. Look like they figured out a way to find out.

        I don't know if they are banning all those accounts, we will soon find out... But I'm sure the're banning the articles with inflated views out of the '15 MOST' area including the '15 MOST PUBLISHED'...but the articles are still live...

        I have seem categories where the articles at the bottom of the list still had 700 to 800 views this morning (after the # was changed to 60) are now gone! and now the articles at the bottom is only about 100 to 150 views...

        Even in high competition niches like ANXIETY the articles in the 15 most viewed that this morning still was about 700 views is now 118 views only.

        WOW! WOW! WOW! Look like in every single category, 95% of the articles were actually inflated, now you only need about 100 views to get into the 15 most views in most niches...

        And look like is an ongoing project; I saw a category changed the articles and the views on my watch! when I refreshed the page most articles were gone! MAGICALLY!

        Looks like the books to get into that list will have to be re-written all over again...

        Have anybody notice this?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Nope I have not because I do not inflate EZA's traffic by visiting the site ...lol

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    • Profile picture of the author djbory
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Nope I have not because I do not inflate EZA's traffic by visiting the site ...lol

      James
      No but if you would've tried to push your articles to the most 15th views, naturally, by back-linking your articles you would've notice it was almost impossible in any niche... Now that ezine cracked down all those articles many of my articles went up to the 15th most viewed...

      I found this thread this morning and purchased the WSO to see how those articles would go to the 15 most viewed so fast, many of them after just 2 days of being published...

      Since the information in the WSO will not work anymore, it would have been the same to buy cigarettes with those $20 even though I don't smoke...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by djbory View Post

        No but if you would've tried to push your articles to the most 15th views, naturally, by back-linking your articles you would've notice it was almost impossible in any niche... Now that ezine cracked down all those articles many of my articles went up to the 15th most viewed...

        I found this thread this morning and purchased the WSO to see how those articles would go to the 15 most viewed so fast, many of them after just 2 days of being published...

        Since the information in the WSO will not work anymore, it would have been the same to buy cigarettes with those $20 even though I don't smoke...
        Not all the way true....

        I'm not going to go back and forth about the product in this thread, but there were 2 methods that were discussed...

        One is well within EZA's rules...We still use it everyday and it works perfectly with *no risk*

        and One isn't..There is an obvious *risk* involved

        Regarding the one that isn't....and what you are seeing at EZA right now.

        Look again in the morning or tomorrow afternoon. Today isn't the first day that the lists have been shaken up only to go right back to the way they were...

        For anyone that read the product and only took away from it that one thing...You should not only reread the pdf, but rewatch the videos and you should soon realize just how much of those things can be applied other places where you submit content.

        Edit: Just looked at a couple categories of "interest" and everything still appears to be the same?
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        • Profile picture of the author djbory
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Not all the way true....

          I'm not going to go back and forth about the product in this thread, but there were 2 methods that were discussed...

          One is well within EZA's rules...We still use it everyday and it works perfectly with *no risk*

          and One isn't..There is an obvious *risk* involved

          Regarding the one that isn't....and what you are seeing at EZA right now.

          Look again in the morning or tomorrow afternoon. Today isn't the first day that the lists have been shaken up only to go right back to the way they were...

          For anyone that read the product and only took away from it that one thing...You should not only reread the pdf, but rewatch the videos and you should soon realize just how much of those things can be applied other places where you submit content.

          Edit: Just looked at a couple categories of "interest" and everything still appears to be the same?
          Look like I rushed to conclusions here...You right; I have not even read the e-book or videos... I rushed to conclusion (my bad) because I'm seeing what's happening today, but what you just said make sense about the list being shaking before...

          Anyway I meant no harm, I have great respect for you, in fact I just PM'd you about the DIAGRAM... I wanted to know if it was still open?
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        • Profile picture of the author Big JP
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          For anyone that read the product and only took away from it that one thing...You should not only reread the pdf, but rewatch the videos and you should soon realize just how much of those things can be applied other places where you submit content.
          That's why I loved that WSO and strategies so much Jeremy. It opened my eyes to so many possibilities, and doesn't strictly apply to Ezine articles, but Ezine articles was a good example to use it on.

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  • Profile picture of the author Shana_Adam
    Its a shame for people to spend their time back linking their articles for the benefit of EZA....why not spend that time back linking to your own site?

    Well i guess its good for articlebase and all the secondary directories to get a huge boost in keyword rich content and major adsense revenue coming in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
      I never knew EZA had such draconian policies in place. An eye opening thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Then again, maybe it IS a possibility. It doesn't take structural analysis to find a divergence of strategic methods that rely on the potential outcomes of an opinion that is rendered based on what can only be called a questionable framework.

    And that's all there is to say on the core extension of this thread.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Then again, maybe it IS a possibility. It doesn't take structural analysis to find a divergence of strategic methods that rely on the potential outcomes of an opinion that is rendered based on what can only be called a questionable framework.

      And that's all there is to say on the core extension of this thread.

      All the best,
      Michael
      rofl

      Now that's some funny stuff right there.
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  • Profile picture of the author busting
    Oh damn. I just saw that 2 of my articles disappeared from the most viewed list. WTF man. I will start to put my eggs in another basket. But DAMN !!!
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