The Joe Miller (Denzel) approach to IM. Or KISS

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Denzel Washington played Joe Miller in the movie PHILADELPHIA. He would say;
"explain things to me like I'm a six-year-old".

It is a terrific way to cut through the noise, and BS too. So, this is my Joe Miller take on Internet Marketing, and some opinion, a little rant, and take it or leave it advice.

Jason Kanigan has been at it for a long time now, I recall when he had less than 100 posts, and today he is over 6686. Wow. And of all the great advice he has given, here is the Joe Miller version:

You need a product, traffic and CONVERSIONS.

My same thing take is; product, prospect, promotion (because I am a believer of 3's and alliteration too).

savidge4 has told us; "The 3 very basic pieces to a successful business; Marketing, Sales, and Fulfilment - the only thing you have to concern yourself other than creating the listing is the fulfilment."

You'll find hundreds of posts that tell you to find a PROBLEM, if you have a solution for it. And many other hundreds that say, "find a hungry or starving crowd".

These are 6 year old how to, so Joe Miller would understand. Yet, everyday here, we see some of the most complicated, convoluted, crazy ideas for getting into Internet Marketing (IM) and trying to make money.

So, the KEEP IT SIMPLE SILLY, or KISS idea comes into play.

From over 3 decades of online IM experiences, I see the number one reason for FAILURE is: the wrong business or money making opportunity...one which doesn't match your skills, experience or personality.

EVERY day, scores of new Warriors come here with their hopes, dreams and ambitions and present their million dollar COMPLEX idea, which has so many steps, so much slop and mess and yet they often will get testy, even rude, when given some advice.

Sure, we want our questions answered, as asked, but most are begging for some advice from those who have been around a long time...we just see some flaws in your thinking or in the way you presented the idea to us. But the knee jerk snowflake reactions of today, well, they make the forum a place where we don't want to spend as much time.

In these archives, you will find answers to just about any question you have about IM.

And I will tell you, after decades, and dealing with thousands of customers and wannabee IMer's, your success is most likely determined by what you choose to do at the start, even if you are currently desperate...

it is to your benefit to take the time to make assessments of your own skills, experiences and knowledge and from that foundation to then seek the opportunity which best suits you.

OR, you can take the route of many Warriors, struggle, keep it elaborate, with many moving parts, and suffer for years possibly and say "it doesn't work".

So, what is your idea today, and how can we Joe Miller it for you, if it is possible?

This, of course, does not apply to those Warriors wanting to become BILLIONAIRES, there is a different path for that, and most of us can't be of help to you, OK?

For the rest of you new Warriors, how can we help you simplify your actions?

GordonJ
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  • Whenya cain't dredge yr bucket deep (for like gold or oil), you gotta play wide.

    An' most people gonna play like a 6yo before they done bein' sphystickayted.

    It is beyond doubt that complexity compels -- else'n where is all mystery?

    But, soonah we all huernkah down on simplest evah flow, likely we invite toward us a sweetah glow of mystery.

    Imponderables, unsolvables an' answerables orbit round the selfsame troo-if'n-we-cain't-evin-see-it stuffs.

    All WE gotta do is figure howta FIX OUR HAYER.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Sure, we want our questions answered, as asked, but most are begging for some advice from those who have been around a long time...we just see some flaws in your thinking or in the way you presented the idea to us. But the knee jerk snowflake reactions of today, well, they make the forum a place where we don't want to spend as much time.

    IMO most of the newbies that come here are desperate.

    And it's difficult to make money or even think clearly when the
    rent is due, the refrigerator is empty, there's no paycheck, no
    savings, and every other thing that makes people desperate.

    But some of them really do have good ideas, even if they are
    convoluted and over-complicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Thanks Gordon. Another good post.

    As far as the 6-year-old thing...

    I'm a little slow about some things it seems, so I tell AI occasionally to explain it all to me like I'm a 5th grader.

    As far as the KISS principle...

    and often when I comment on the forum I'm talking to myself as well.

    I'll want to way overdue an MVP (minimum viable product) instead of just getting it out there and seeing if there's even a market that cares.

    An example: I just built an app a little while ago on Bubble.

    I kept wanting to add this and add that so I could capture everyone...

    then I lectured myself once again about the whole MVP concept and got my head thinking straight.

    I don't know if anyone ever reads the Bubble forum, but it's a daily occurrence when someone tries to include the whole kitchen in a new app...and takes a year or 2 to get everything just right...only to roll it out and find out nobody really cares, or they need to do a ton of changes...they could have easily found most of that out quickly by just doing the MVP.

    I think it works that way with a lot of business ideas. Someone will take forever to make sure everything is perfect. Logo, font, images, etc.

    Yes, I think it's always good to study about what you want to do. But, at the same time don't get analysis paralysis.

    And also yes, I have to remind myself of this all the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks max5ty, you wrote:

      I think it works that way with a lot of business ideas. Someone will take forever to make sure everything is perfect. Logo, font, images, etc.

      Yes, I think it's always good to study about what you want to do. But, at the same time don't get analysis paralysis.


      I agree 110%, analysis paralysis and perfectionism is the death of many a good idea venture. AND, I admit to my hypocrisy here at the WF too, where I have harped on Assessment, PLANNING, Execution and Adjustment for years and years. However, at our forum, which is more targeted and far fewer folk in attendance, I have a slightly different take.

      I teach and embrace the MVP (Minimum Viable Product) approach to getting things done. So, I will present an example here.

      I've focused on Intellectual Properties, mostly proprietary and personal because that suits me well and it is easier to present information from either experience or from close association with those that do.

      Lets say a NEW Warrior wants to get started. My MVP solution for this person goes like this: Create a one page, 5 paragraph HOTSHEET or INFORMATION sheet about your subject (one you have experience with), and if you don't have a subject, start with your location...where you are right now, the CITY you live in.

      Once you have a one page, short 5 paragraph HOTSHEET, expand each of those paragraps with two more, some details, explanations, even graphics and you will have a 3 to 4 page White Paper on your subject.

      Now I have given examples here many times, and frequently point out Warrior Barb Ling and her Cheatsheets, often selling a 1000 of them for around 2.99 in a few days.

      My example then; I live in a boring avg. city, Cuyahoga Falls, where our main claim to fame is BLOSSOM MUSIC CENTER, where we get the big name stars to perform. So, I might write about that in my first five paragraphs and maybe include Mary Campbell's Cave, our other semi-famous landmark.

      Modeling Barb Ling's cheatsheets, I might include the "insider's guide to the best dining experiences in the FALLS", and simply list those places which have good food, good service, etc. Writing about your city, is maybe a 15 minute idea, and then LIST the local places to see, visit, eat, etc. Is anyone going to BUY this information? NO idea.

      It is mostly an exercise to get you started, to overcome the paralysis by analysis. Recently, I began posting in one of our Facebook Groups, You Know You're from Cuyahoga Falls When...and surprisingly my posts have gotten a lot of comments in what is normally a very unused, very seldom seen group. Now, if I wanted to TEST my MVP, I have a group of former residents, some of them have not been here in decades, to offer my HOTSHEET, for a very minimum price to, just to see if there is any interest.

      See, what I'm giving you today is a template, substitute your subject with mine, create a very MINIMUM MVP, and like half cooked spaghetti, throw it against a wall to see if it sticks, if it does, it is DONE enough to take to the market, ala Barb Ling, and myself...I've offered scores of HOTSHEETS over the years to build lists, get new customers, and to simply TEST the marketplace with an idea.

      If it doesn't have any interest, move on to the next thing, see?

      You have to start, where you are at, with what you have at hand, and build from there...so location is as good a GO square as any, and coupled with your knowledge, experience and/or skills, you can quickly find out if your idea has much interest, or any.

      So. I love to see Warriors with a well thought out idea (most aren't), which matches their assessments and then gets executed and adjusted to success. But, you can test if it is time to add the meatballs or sauce, simply throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.

      That of course is an OLD world way to test if the pasta is cooked, a myth mostly, but relied upon for centuries by many Matriarchs of the old country.

      MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT, start there if in a hurry, fair enough?

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post


      Thanks Gordon. Another good post.
      As far as the 6-year-old thing...
      I'm a little slow about some things it seems, so I tell AI occasionally to explain it all to me like I'm a 5th grader.
      As far as the KISS principle...
      and often when I comment on the forum I'm talking to myself as well.
      I'll want to way overdue an MVP (minimum viable product) instead of just getting it out there and seeing if there's even a market that cares.
      An example: I just built an app a little while ago on Bubble.
      I kept wanting to add this and add that so I could capture everyone...
      then I lectured myself once again about the whole MVP concept and got my head thinking straight.
      I don't know if anyone ever reads the Bubble forum, but it's a daily occurrence when someone tries to include the whole kitchen in a new app...and takes a year or 2 to get everything just right...only to roll it out and find out nobody really cares, or they need to do a ton of changes...they could have easily found most of that out quickly by just doing the MVP.
      I think it works that way with a lot of business ideas. Someone will take forever to make sure everything is perfect. Logo, font, images, etc.

      Yes, I think it's always good to study about what you want to do. But, at the same time don't get analysis paralysis.

      And also yes, I have to remind myself of this all the time.
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  • Minimum viability gits you through the door.

    Next stahp is desirabyool panache keeps the swanky gowin' ...

    'cross time & space, an' evrywan' cumplainnin' no it ain't.

    (I endeavahed there for a half rhyme but only gaht a quartah. How we bum sumtimes, I guess!)

    Thing is, the material world we can touch now occupies decisionspace with a whole buncha stuffs suffusin' in from beyond all kindsa ethahs we cannot control.

    So, here we must decide: what constitoots troo succor?

    When demons dumb down (or seem to fly up so high), all mannah of glories may be set before us, if'n only we would CHOOSE.

    Or, mayhap, we are the very demons: colossal of powah, an' yet uncertain how our command may work tamara.

    alitterayschwaahn englitterayschwaahn captifrickinvaysschwaahn.*

    Troils 2 boils!

    You would wish to beam out this way, always -- speshly when all around is DARKNISS.

    * Thanks to GordonJ for anothah insightful an' igniteful offerin'. Jus' loftin' this here as an aftahthought might wanna rise up from postscript stuffs inta mebbe yr SOUL.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Not a whole lot familiar with cheat sheets, but I'll say this...

    imagine if you did a newsletter for your local city?

    There are sites where you can have 10,000 members before you pay.

    Also, maybe, just a thought, imagine if you got 5,000 members and sold ads?

    And again also, imagine if you walked into a local business not to sell anything but to interview them for your newsletter?

    See, there are ways to build a local reputation that don't include nagging business owners into buying something.

    A local newsletter gets your foot in the door...and also possibly more of your services.

    I know I nag a lot about newsletters...

    but they really are the big thing right now.

    And, as they say, strike the iron while it's hot...or something like that?

    Build up a good following for your local newsletter and I think (just me thinking and reading other case studies), you can make a small fortune.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Sir, if I were only a decade or two younger, I'd have at least 10 to 15 newsletters going.

      I came on www because of a newsletter (The NPGS Update Hotline, by SCI), and with the modern sites, which you have pointed out, SHEESH, if only there was time...and that is something most, except for us old Boomers, have...and if they heed your 'nagging' about newsletters, and take it to heart (and the bank!), how happy they would be.

      My HS class had over 900, in the 56 years since then, an estimated 27000 people have graduated from one of the city's high schools. The popularity of the Facebook groups, which number into the tens of thousands, certainly offer the opportunity to DO exactly as you outline.

      Along with that, IFFIN I was me youngin self, I'd publish a CHRISTMAS book (printed) every year and have the alumni, local businesses and local HISTORICAL society provide all the content, no doubt I'd sell all 10,000 copies for 25 bux and postage and handling...as well as 10 pages of ADS too. Could easily live off of this once a year product.

      Keep nagging, and maybe someone will have the light bulb turned on in their now dark world, eh?

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Not a whole lot familiar with cheat sheets, but I'll say this...

      imagine if you did a newsletter for your local city?

      There are sites where you can have 10,000 members before you pay.

      Also, maybe, just a thought, imagine if you got 5,000 members and sold ads?

      And again also, imagine if you walked into a local business not to sell anything but to interview them for your newsletter?

      See, there are ways to build a local reputation that don't include nagging business owners into buying something.

      A local newsletter gets your foot in the door...and also possibly more of your services.

      I know I nag a lot about newsletters...

      but they really are the big thing right now.

      And, as they say, strike the iron while it's hot...or something like that?

      Build up a good following for your local newsletter and I think (just me thinking and reading other case studies), you can make a small fortune.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Along with that, IFFIN I was me youngin self, I'd publish a CHRISTMAS book (printed) every year and have the alumni, local businesses and local HISTORICAL society provide all the content, no doubt I'd sell all 10,000 copies for 25 bux and postage and handling...as well as 10 pages of ADS too. Could easily live off of this once a year product.

        You could publish this yearbook on Amazon KDP, but I am not sure whether the ads would be allowed.

        I have been publishing paperbacks and it's about as easy as falling off a log.

        There's plenty of time between now and Christmas!
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        • Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

          I have been publishing paperbacks and it's about as easy as falling off a log.

          There's plenty of time between now and Christmas!

          That a Yule log, babe?

          Srsly tho, it's always worth figurin' whereya are in the calendah 'longside whereya are with respect to your audience.

          Viewpoints, wishes an' challenges meandah through the seasons, an' Spring has a diffrent mood 'bout her ass to Autumn or the inevitability of Noo Year.
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          • Profile picture of the author Monetize
            Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

            That a Yule log, babe?

            Srsly tho, it's always worth figurin' whereya are in the calendah 'longside whereya are with respect to your audience.

            Viewpoints, wishes an' challenges meandah through the seasons, an' Spring has a diffrent mood 'bout her ass to Autumn or the inevitability of Noo Year.

            Just a regular log.

            Not a cake.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

          You could publish this yearbook on Amazon KDP, but I am not sure whether the ads would be allowed.
          I have been publishing paperbacks and it's about as easy as falling off a log.
          There's plenty of time between now and Christmas!
          Thanks Monetize, appreciate the thought. First thing, it is FAR too late for Christmas of 2024, just my opinion from having had successful holiday projects...this is an arena where advanced planning comes in very handy if one is interested in enough profits from one project to equal a year's income. There are exceptions, of course.

          I appreciate KDP, although for a keepsake nostalgia product, I'd want full control over everything, although I could see it being used as a supplement to such a product.

          Now is a great time for 2025 Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas projects, although every month presents opportunities to cash in on what is top of mind for that month.

          I've been debating an idea, thanks to max5ty, about a newsletter on creating specific monthly oriented newsletters, and offer services/products to those that want to create their own monthly/weekly newsletter.

          Back in the day, the Howard Penn Hudson publication; THE NEWSLETTER ON NEWSLETTERS, I was a subscriber and read all of his books on the subject.

          For me, being all old and all, it is about TIME, and best way to use it (like don't want to take away from my naps time)...but I do agree with max5ty, a newsletter today is the way to go and I can see how using KDP to either collaborate, supplement or compile such content would be a very profitable blvd. to stroll down.

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author Monetize
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            For me, being all old and all, it is about TIME, and best way to use it (like don't want to take away from my naps time)...but I do agree with max5ty, a newsletter today is the way to go and I can see how using KDP to either collaborate, supplement or compile such content would be a very profitable blvd. to stroll down.

            You're still breathing, so it's not too late.

            You could definitely publish your newsletter on KDP as an ebook, in addition to its actual platform.

            I would love to publish a newsletter, maybe I could squeeze it in with my other projects.
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    Having an objective and plan to achieve a specific out come gives me the direction and foundation I need to build upon and thrive .
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

      Having an objective and plan to achieve a specific out come gives me the direction and foundation I need to build upon and thrive .
      As the late Professor Irwin Corey would say: "If you don't change directions soon, you will end up where you are going."

      You've been a Warrior for some time now, and that is a good sign you are crossing off goals as you achieve them and making new ones (hopefully).

      Newbies, many whom are lost and/or desperate, need a MONETARY goal to start, so I picked the 100 an hour goal, although for most, that probably should be 100 dollars a MONTH to start.

      So I am all in on PLANNING and goal setting. In the spirit of the thread, if one is taking a long time to PLAN on how to make 100 bux a month, then that Warrior has a bigger problem than needing money.

      And as far as objectives, goals, purposes...it is always a good place to start, it just isn't a good idea to sit on GO for a long time shaking the dice without actually throwing them.

      GordonJ
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