should I mentor my ex-girlfriend in IM?

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Hi there,

Just wanted to get some advice and input on this issue. My ex-girlfriend, with whom I am still very close, has fallen on hard times as a realtor. As you all probably know, the real estate market is down in the dumps and most realtors are suffering and barely getting by.

This past year I've become pretty successful in IM, and she has really sat up and taken notice that I've been able to quit my job in one of the worst economic slumps on record. She is of the old school and still finds it pretty hard to believe that one can make a full-time living on the internet. She doesn't really use the computer for much more than work and surfing. She has never given IM that much thought, but with the real estate market in such distress right now she has asked if I could show her the ropes and guide her on how to make money online.

My question is this: should I do this, or should I stay away from guiding and advising relatives and loved ones? I'd hate to jeopardize the relationship if things don't work out with my guidance. She is still fairly skeptical, and I'm afraid she may take half-hearted or very little action despite my guidance. At the same time, I don't want to appear arrogant and condescending by refusing to take her on!

Thanks,
Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanman
    MARK MY WORDS- DO NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE.

    Mentoring girlfriend's even if they're ex can be a huge headache. Do not and I mean do not do anything relating to business with people you know.

    Don't poop where you eat.
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  • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
    I think you should just direct her to a good WSO step by step product. Let her take action then you'll know whether she is serious about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gee S
      Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

      I think you should just direct her to a good WSO step by step product. Let her take action then you'll know whether she is serious about it.
      You won't get any better advice then Michael's. This could almost be like a test to see if shes willing to make a go of it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Liane Fitzpatrick
        I agree with Michael also. From my perspective before you help her in anyway, you need to set up a few boundaries, ensure that she fully understands them and then set her up with a good program to start her on her way. If she is able to remain a good friend and starts to excel you could advise her in small doses. Warning: If you still have romantic feelings for her don't do it, it would really suck to help her become successful and see her move on. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Oscar D
      Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

      I think you should just direct her to a good WSO step by step product. Let her take action then you'll know whether she is serious about it.
      I agree with this comment or send her to a great Clickbank product using your affiliate ID.

      HA HA, why not make some money off her?
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      • Profile picture of the author noodle2005
        Originally Posted by Oscar D View Post

        I agree with this comment or send her to a great Clickbank product using your affiliate ID.

        HA HA, why not make some money off her?
        HAHA i like it, never miss an opportunity eh
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        • Profile picture of the author Oscar D
          Originally Posted by noodle2005 View Post

          HAHA i like it, never miss an opportunity eh
          Thank you, but thats business
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      • Profile picture of the author DonnaLeona
        Hi,

        I say yes you should do it.

        A few things might result:

        She is really focused and starts making money. Maybe even more than you.

        She is unfocused and can't make it happen. Just makes you look special.

        Either way - you learn lots about yourself and will probably never ask this in a forum again - instead you will be giving advice from your experience - so everyone wins.

        Go for it!

        Best,
        Donna
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          An ex, come on you already no the answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Thanks for the advice. I feel like I should probably let her prove herself a little first before even thinking of mentoring her. Doing business with family and friends can be complicated, and I know I should approach this very carefully.
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    • I TOTALLY agree. Have her prove herself first by making a couple recommendations to resources like http://www.seobook.com/ and see if she takes action.

      I have found most talk a lot and act a little. It's quite frustrating. Let her prove herself first and then I think its safe to know if she deserves your time.

      Plus I highly recommend a partnership. Meaning you get a percentage of what you help her build. Its standard business practice for pro bono work. Good luck

      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Thanks for the advice. I feel like I should probably let her prove herself a little first before even thinking of mentoring her. Doing business with family and friends can be complicated, and I know I should approach this very carefully.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommen
    I agree, you should not mentor her in marketing.This means you will teach her and have no time to market your own business for a long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Tom,

    Thanks for the insight. You're right - if she proves to be a handful it could take away a lot of time from my business, and withdrawing could mean hurt feelings once I've started helping her.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Teaching is an art. The difficult part is getting your thoughts down to the level of the student so each new technique or lesson builds upon the previous lessons, but doesn't suddenly jump over the student's head.

    As an example, when I was a kid my father tried his best to teach me about the stock market, but the fact that I didn't have even basic knowledge somehow missed his thought process. And he would skip those parts. Wow - was I confused!

    It would be like climbing a ladder one rung at a time, but the ladder is missing the first rung, the third and fourth rungs, the seventh rung, and the ninth rung. The student can't climb from rung one up to rung ten because of the missing rungs.

    I suspect some guys could actually teach their girfriend/wife/significant-other, by taking it one logical step at a time, all the while keeping their temper and patience.
    Can you do that? I doesn't sound too easy to me.

    BTW, My father also tried to teach me how to drive an automobile until I wrecked his car within the first few minutes of the lesson. The other car - the one I plowed into - was driven buy another local high school student. He had several other high schoolers in his car.

    It took me years to live down my newly acquired nick name: Crash Schenk.

    AAAARRRRrrgggghhhhh!

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    • Profile picture of the author TKO
      DON'T DO IT!

      Would she help you out? Use your time to levrage your success.

      Keep the momentum going and find yourself a new girl.

      Thomas
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by TKO View Post

        DON'T DO IT!

        Would she help you out? Use your time to levrage your success.

        Keep the momentum going and find yourself a new girl.

        Thomas
        Hehe my thoughts to.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
        First question:

        Why are you still friends with your ex-girlfriend?

        Do you think that by helping her out it will make her want to date you again?

        If so, I think you are wrong if that is your assumption. You would further hurt your chances by slowing going from lover status to mentor status.

        I don't know you or your ex-GF, or how it is, but somehow I can see you being used later on.

        I also second the notion of 'How is it going to help you?'

        Do you think your ex-GF can bring anything to the table?
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  • Profile picture of the author Geekybizness
    Dude, its not advisable to put your time where you wont fetch anything. Besides, you are going to end up having problems in the relation that you have. And, she is old school, meaning it'll take a lot of time for you to mentor her.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Daniel - no, I'm not helping her out with the ulterior motive of trying to get back with her again. It's just that she's hurting financially, and I thought that I could lend a helping hand by teaching her something valuable. By the way, I don't have any desire whatsoever to get back with her, even though we remain close friends.

    I agree that it's probably not going to help me too much, I'm just trying to do this as a friend, but now I fear that by taking on this task it may be much more complicated and difficult than I had initially thought it would be!
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    • Profile picture of the author ryanman
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      @Daniel - no, I'm not helping her out with the ulterior motive of trying to get back with her again. It's just that she's hurting financially, and I thought that I could lend a helping hand by teaching her something valuable. By the way, I don't have any desire whatsoever to get back with her, even though we remain close friends.

      You might not have the desire but you will never be "JUST FRIENDS"...I write extensively on this subject and let me assure you...It's going to be worse than you think it is.

      I understand the feelings you are getting right now are just to help her...Because you saw her in a bad financial situation but guess what?

      It's not your job to get her out of it...If she wants to...She will figure out ways herself.

      People do not get what they want...They get what they deserve...And that's determined by what they are willing to do in order to get what they want out of life.

      Let me ask you this...What's easier?

      - Running a 10 km marathon.

      Or

      - Running a 10 km marathon with 20 kgs on your back?

      Helping her here would be like running that marathon with 20 kgs on your back...You will have to carry her load along with yours.

      There is a big reason why she is your "EX"...So let her be.
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    • Profile picture of the author ppbiz
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      @Daniel - no, I'm not helping her out with the ulterior motive of trying to get back with her again. It's just that she's hurting financially, and I thought that I could lend a helping hand by teaching her something valuable. By the way, I don't have any desire whatsoever to get back with her, even though we remain close friends.

      I agree that it's probably not going to help me too much, I'm just trying to do this as a friend, but now I fear that by taking on this task it may be much more complicated and difficult than I had initially thought it would be!
      If they are your motives then 'pay it forward'... generate some good karma. I am not sure why so many people seem so certain that you shouldn't bother if there's nothing in it for you... Why can't you just help out someone you care about- surely if the roles were reversed you would like someone to help you?

      Also my boyfriend mentored me and now I am fulltime and he is jealous (lol in a nice way), she may surprise you...

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Don, thanks for elaborating on your experiences. Yes, it is very easy to get exasperated teaching someone who is not on the same level as you are. I remember trying to teach my ex-girlfriend how to download and transfer files via FTP - what I thought was a simple and quick operation took me many, many hours to teach her...lol!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gail Sober
    When I get those requests from friends and family I always send them a bunch of plr material and links to informative pages and tell them to read everything there and get back to me. They rarely do.
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  • Profile picture of the author T2VSonya
    Could you hire her to do some work for you? Keyword research? Writing? Something she's good at and you can just point her in the direction of what you want for YOUR BUSINESS. That will help her with money in the short term, show her a peek at the business and, if she's interested, it's a good place to step off and do her own IM as she learns more. (I wish someone would offer that to me!)

    But I also agree that working with friends/family is difficult. My sister and I tried years ago and it was a disaster. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author cdhartpence
      Totally agree with this approach.

      If you've got your heart set on helping her, this is prolly the safest way of going about it. Just set clear boundaries, and the first time they get violated, make it clear that the deal's off.

      People say it's hard to work with family, but I've found that with clear boundaries, it's not so bad. There's work stuff, and there's family/friend stuff. Just keep the two as separate as you can and go.

      -=Vel=-

      Originally Posted by T2VSonya View Post

      Could you hire her to do some work for you? Keyword research? Writing? Something she's good at and you can just point her in the direction of what you want for YOUR BUSINESS. That will help her with money in the short term, show her a peek at the business and, if she's interested, it's a good place to step off and do her own IM as she learns more. (I wish someone would offer that to me!)

      But I also agree that working with friends/family is difficult. My sister and I tried years ago and it was a disaster. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Mizel
    No, no no.
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    • Profile picture of the author AgencyScripts
      Originally Posted by Jonathan Mizel View Post

      No, no no.
      I want to add some more noes to that...

      no no no no no

      She is your ex for a reason buddy!
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
        Originally Posted by Dylan Jones View Post

        I want to add some more noes to that...

        no no no no no

        She is your ex for a reason buddy!
        Not all breakups end due to the woman being a terrible harpy. Don't you have any female friends that you know for a fact you wouldn't be able to handle dating? Unfortunately, sometimes you don't figure that out until AFTER you've started dating them. Doesn't necessarily rule out friendship.

        Your personal approach is up to you, but I would suggest the same as many others in this thread. Either get her to buy a step-by-step system (preferably something that shows measurable results at a reasonable pace, like One Week Marketing or Google Sniper) and tell her to take action on it and talk to you when she's got the ball rolling, or give her homework assignments to learn the basics.

        Personally, I usually send people to Google Sniper and tell them to take a week, go through it, and write down any questions. Then spend week #2 finding answers to those questions, doesn't matter if the answer is wrong, I just want to get them into the habit of helping themselves before bugging me. Week #3 I usually take a day to sit down with them and go through stuff, and then tell them that week #4's goal is to read through it and understand the process on an intellectual level. Then I tell them to create 1 site a week, and get back to me when they get their first check.

        Since I quit my job, I've gotten asked by 8 offline friends / family for help starting out. Here's the breakdown:

        Week 1: 6 people remaining, 2 gone because they "couldn't get through the ebook"
        Week 2: 4 people remaining, 2 gone because I told them I wasn't answering any questions until they had found answers themselves.
        Week 3: 4 people remaining, no casualties because this is really more of a clarification session
        Week 4: 2 people remaining, 1 leaves because IM is "too much work", another leaves because they "don't want to waste money on domain names unless they're definitely going to make money"

        Of the 2 that made it through the testing phase, 1 is earning some nice cash right now and could probably get away with quitting his job if he really wanted to. The other one is my girlfriend, who asked me for a business model that didn't involve building websites, so I put her on Brad Gosse's Personality Cash system. So far so good

        Anyway, you'll find that the cliche holds true, very few people actually take action with what they learn so make sure she's going to follow through before you invest your time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          If for some reason you do get involved, send her an email with the following link in it www.warriorforum.com and be done with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Ryan - sounds like you have a lot of first hand experiences dealing with crazy ex-girlfriends? You sound really passionate about the topic, there's no denying that.

    To everyone else - I think I need to set clear boundaries, as well as structure something that has to be mutually beneficial to the both of us, it can't just be a one-way street where I'm being sucked dry by my ex, and it takes away time that I could be spending on my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I have a simple litmus test to check and see if my relative, ex, or whomever has what it takes. I ask them that in order for me to see how serious they are they have to finish X amount of homework assignments. If they fail to do one, I will not take them on. I might have them read a couple PDF ebooks and then quiz them on it, then I'll tell them to brainstorm some ideas and write them down, etc.

    After several years and dozens of people later only one person has qualified. They ended up quitting their job after about 8 months of seriously hard work and focus. And all they did was follow the assignments I gave them.

    So before you take her on, first find out how how serious she really is. If you get a lot of resistance in the beginning it won't be worth it. Trust me on this one. The employee mentality, which most people have, is a hard one to change.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Hi Paulie,

    My advice to you is the same as it would be if the person was married or a relative.

    I suggest that you introduce her to your mentors, or your information source. "I followed this guy's advice..." or "here are the three most helpful books I've found, this lady's insights are brilliant." Let her pay for her own teaching to whoever is set up to be a teacher, with experience guiding newbies.

    Tell her that your own business is so specialized and requires Internet experience, so it might not be appropriate for her. But she can go directly to the source, learn at her own pace, and decide for herself if she wants to find her own path through the online jungle. If she does get into the business, whether or not you do a joint venture would be based only on complementary business expertise to offer.

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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
    You might not have the desire but you will never be "JUST FRIENDS"...I write extensively on this subject and let me assure you...It's going to be worse than you think it is.
    EXACTLY! I lost a very serious girl because I was 'too into my work'.

    Tried the friend thing, it was a total nightmare.

    I'll rot in Hell before I ever teach her anything.

    Yes I am bitter, and no we won't ever be 'just friends'. Sounds like a good way to get sucked back into something you should avoid.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @kimpup - FUNNY! lol...

    @Christian Fox - it's good to hear from fellow marketers who have actually been through the scenario that I'm facing right now, and have first-hand experience of what actually happened. Doesn't look like anything good came out of it!

    Seems like the overall consensus here is to avoid it like the plague, or proceed with extreme caution!
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
    the answer is 'NO'.

    the suggestions here have been good so far.

    her problem isn't your problem.

    at most give her some plr ebook to read (as mentioned above).


    don't do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Black Hat Cat - haha, she is, but that's not the point. I have no intention of getting back with her again, we're just good friends!
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
    proceed with extreme caution!
    Yes I have been there and have the t-shirt. Proceed with caution Hahha yeah, I've been there too. Good luck with that.

    I feel for you because I do know how it is...
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Only you can decide, really. Nobody can really tell you what to do here. Of course we can give advice and that's what you're asking.

    So I would say, yes, you can talk it over with her but it doesn't sound like she really wants to do it. But if she's desperate and a hard worker, you could help her succeed. However, I would find a way to introduce this forum to her or introduce one method to her and tell her everything to do, and then take a hands off approach. It could get dicey but I'd at least help her get started and then let her know that she needs to find a new mentor or coaching program, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Only you can decide - but I say don't do it if she is just a girlfriend and not someone you see becoming a life partner.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedogtreatjar
    I think Kim and are the only girls yet to reply - we concur this is a bad idea.

    However - I don't see anything wrong with providing her a list of resource sites. You could send her to 5 or 6 resource full sites and then leave it at that. If she is going to help herself and do the work - that will be enough to get her started. That way you aren't taking her success on as your responsibility or ignoring her plight.
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  • Profile picture of the author MR.MOE
    DON'T MIX BUSINESS WITH PLEASURE

    Trust me for the sake of your friendship DON'T DO IT!
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  • Profile picture of the author eslucky
    Where do we start on this one? Lots of good advice here. I especially like the idea of giving reading and studying assignments to her to see if she is serious, which I seriously doubt. She probably thinks you just sit at home and stumble around on the internet every once in a while. It's hard work. It's time consuming and sometimes slow to see results. Is she up for that?

    On the other hand I have worked in my own business for decades. My first business involved two of my sons and husband. We were very successful and my sons now run the business. They have taken it to an even high level. There were no problems working with any of them. Well, unless you count that I divorced the SOB because he was a loser. Oh, did I say that?

    My business now involves my daughter, her boyfriend, and my (new) husband. Things are going great and I wouldn't want to change a thing.

    Weigh the pros and cons carefully and before you make your final decision...I suggest you sit down and confer with Black Hat Cat and decide if she is hot enough to take on the task.
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  • Profile picture of the author MR.MOE
    DON'T MIX BUSINESS WITH PLEASURE

    Trust me for the sake of your friendship DON'T DO IT!



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    • Profile picture of the author JDSalinger
      Hi Paulie888,

      I don't think you want to put yourself in this situation. If you really want to help her get started in IM, refer her to someone else. Let her cut her IM teeth with someone else. This will do a couple of things:

      1. Show how interested she really is in becoming an IMer. Right now she is only motivated b/c she is out of a job. Not a good reason to do IM.
      2. Avoids you having to teach her the basics. Let someone else do that. Will be less headaches for you and at some point every student revolts against their teacher, you don't want that to be you. Be the next teacher instead.

      A year from now, if she still has the desire to do IM, you could jump in then as it will be significantly easier, she would no longer be a newbie, and most importantly, she would be willing, really willing to listen to what you have to say and follow through with it.

      Remember if the person is not motivated to do the work, the best teaching and advice will go for not. Based on what you have said, she does not appear to be that person. Instead, she seems to be just a person between jobs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Milo Huerta
      Another no-no here, mate
      And I'm telling from personal experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author peetred
    Wow. I have appreciated all of the comments on this thread as well. I had a family member buy my WSO today, and I offered to help out a bit if she has questions. I'll remember not to become the complete full time mentor, because I need the time to focus on my own business.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      There's the old saying that the "teacher appears when the student is ready". So if she ain't ready nor willing to do it... don't bother trying through some sort of misguided sense of loyalty.

      Same goes for anyone... ex or whatever.

      I'll gladly help someone who asks me.. once... then see if they follow thru and if they are serious.

      Have fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    wow, thanks for all the helpful responses, especially the personal experiences that you all have had with this sort of thing. Overwhelming popular opinion seems to indicate that I shouldn't do it. Business and pleasure probably don't mix here, and while she is saying that she is able and willing to do so, it could just be desperation talking.

    As some of you have mentioned, many people outside the IM world just don't get what we do, and probably think we just sit around our computers all day long staring at the screen and not doing much else, which is absolutely untrue! I'd venture to say that she has the same perception as well. I'll probably have to sit her down and give her some material first, and get her to prove herself by showing some initiative first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

    Just wanted to get some advice and input on this issue. My ex-girlfriend, with whom I am still very close, has fallen on hard times as a realtor. As you all probably know, the real estate market is down in the dumps and most realtors are suffering and barely getting by.
    IF there is any truth to your comment about "most" realtors, it's because a good deal of them have no business being licensed in the first place.

    There are plenty of realtors who are excelling even in a down market. Same goes with any industry.

    A realtor is in sales. Internet Marketers are in sales. If she's struggling to sell real estate, I highly doubt she's going to jump in and excel at selling things online.

    Internet Marketing isn't a magic potion you can sprinkle on her via a few mentoring sessions and repel her hard times.

    And to top it all off, she's skeptical.

    Don't touch that situation with a 10 foot pole.
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      IF there is any truth to your comment about "most" realtors, it's because a good deal of them have no business being licensed in the first place.

      There are plenty of realtors who are excelling even in a down market. Same goes with any industry.

      A realtor is in sales. Internet Marketers are in sales. If she's struggling to sell real estate, I highly doubt she's going to jump in and excel at selling things online.

      Internet Marketing isn't a magic potion you can sprinkle on her via a few mentoring sessions and repel her hard times.

      And to top it all off, she's skeptical.

      Don't touch that situation with a 10 foot pole.
      Couldn't have said it any better myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Money on the Side
    I can't give an educated answer until I see her picture
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    • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
      Originally Posted by killercopy View Post

      I can't give an educated answer until I see her picture
      lol!

      At the risk of sounding like a pig, if teaching her will get you lucky, why the hell not, right?!

      Seriously, try to teach at least some article marketing stuff, if she doesnt make anything out of it, its not your fault, at least she wont blame you that you didnt try help her.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    No, definately NOT!

    2 Reasons,

    Firstly, with it being your ex girlfriend, even though you are still close, the chances are this will get in the way of you being able to move on!

    Secondly, I have a rule not to mentor anyone I know, meaning close friends and family offline, why? Because going back to the beginning of the year a family member asked me to help mentor him online.

    I agreed to help but I also stood back a little as I knew how hard the beginning is, so I tested him first. Set him a task, pointed him towards the WF and told him to read and learn, then come back when he thought he was ready.

    Anyway, a month or so after I find he didn't even bother to stick to it and quit, even though he earned some dollars. This showed me never to offer to mentor family with no internet knowledge at all, as your time can become wasted.

    I am not saying this will happen with everyone but I will not do it anymore. If anyone probes or wants to find out more, I keep my answers vague and change the subject! ; )

    GoGetta
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @geoffcruz - lol! As I had taken pains to stress above, I am not doing this to hook up with her! She has fallen on hard times financially, and I was just thinking that this could help her out. Now I have second thoughts due to the first hand experiences shared by the warriors here. I think what I'll ultimately do is test her out a little bit, as many of you have suggested. I need to see if she's truly interested, or just wants a 'quick fix'.

    @GoGetta - Makes a lot of sense! If she doesn't bring something to the table, it's a waste of valuable resources on my part, and I could get sucked down a never ending rabbit hole. In addition to that, if I end up spending a lot of time with her during this mentoring phase, I may never get to move on! I think I just need to give her lots of reading material (which I have tons of!) and this wonderful forum to peruse and read for a few days as sort of a primer, and then wait for her to get back to me with what she thinks AFTER all that.
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  • Profile picture of the author noodle2005
    Nah i wouldnt, i would stay well clear. Its not often people break up yet stay really close friends but maybe if things didnt work out with you mentoring her then you may end up not being friends at all

    Like Gogetta says, i wouldnt mentor anybody i knew well because of possible srains it could put on your friendship
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Oscar D - yes, we are always in affiliate mode when we are internet marketers, aren't we? Not a bad idea though, because if I just gave her the naked affiliate-free link it's not like she is going to pay any less...lol! Why should I let the merchant get everything anyway when they are willing to pay out at least 50% ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Oscar D
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      @Oscar D - yes, we are always in affiliate mode when we are internet marketers, aren't we? Not a bad idea though, because if I just gave her the naked affiliate-free link it's not like she is going to pay any less...lol! Why should I let the merchant get everything anyway when they are willing to pay out at least 50% ?
      Exactly, find a decent product that will actually teach her something and then say that you highly recommend that she follows this guide.

      Just simply email her your affiliate link, but I suggest your make it look "clean" eg: http://www.yourdomain.com/product-name

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    • Profile picture of the author Liane Fitzpatrick
      So what program do you think she should start with to get her on her way?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    Paulie, wouldn't it be ironic if you gave her some multi-level marketing sites on a lark, she signed up with your ID and became the greatest downline builder ever? I think we need Meg Ryan and Kevin Costner in that movie, don't we?
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    If you mentor people for free, with no exchange, they
    won't value what you teach them and they won't do
    anything with it... which will be a waste of your valuable
    time.

    I've been down this road. It's okay to give pointers
    for free - but if the person needs one-on-one help
    you need to make it a financial arrangement of some
    kind. She may have a skill she can barter with you.

    Human nature is such that the person who has no "skin
    in the game" will usually flake out. I've been down this
    road with commissioned salespeople many times - they
    take the job because they want money, but fundamentally
    they will not go to work unless you pay them for showing
    up... they'll spend their time looking for another job that
    does offer security of a base salary rather, or a product
    that seems easier to sell (the grass is always greener to
    weak salesman).
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    • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
      I am surprised by how many people suggest that you should not help anyone you know.

      Personally, I don't view it as a black and white issue that you should never help friends or family...assuming they ask for help and are willing to follow through.

      However, the fact that you say she is skeptical about the whole IM thing, would make me run far and fast. It sounds like you are trying to convince her of the benefits of IM. Trying to help anyone who needs convincing...just the idea makes me shudder.

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  • Profile picture of the author Susanna Dodd
    I'm kind of torn on this one. If you are still really close then I would think it shouldn't hurt. But she is just a friend. Teaching someone how to do something that you know like the back of your hand is difficult especially if they aren't even familiar with the computer. I would probably have to lean more towards no in this rather than yes. If she really wants to learn your secret, she can learn like the rest of us.

    I've contemplated myself, when I become successful in marketing, do I want to show my close friends or family my secrets. I'm not sure about that. I guess I cross that bridge when I get to it. I would definitely show my husband and he can help with the income on his end and we both can work from home. Right now he is skeptical of my interest in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
    Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

    She is still fairly skeptical, and I'm afraid she may take half-hearted or very little action despite my guidance. At the same time, I don't want to appear arrogant and condescending by refusing to take her on!
    I think that's really the key here. Does she seriously want to learn or is she just trying to explain away your success?

    What I would do is give her a little bit of homework first. Have her read Affiliate Masters Course and Make Your Content Presell (two classic free books). If she is serious about learning she will read it and have a good foundation for affiliate marketing.

    More importantly sitesell.com will get all that skepticism out of her system.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Wow, overwhelming response saying, "WAH! NO!!!!"

    Only you know whether you're in a position to help.

    If you need some help, ask Tucker...

    TuckerMax.com

    He's an asshole, but a good (and fun) read!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

      Wow, overwhelming response saying, "WAH! NO!!!!"

      Only you know whether you're in a position to help.

      If you need some help, ask Tucker...

      TuckerMax.com

      He's an asshole, but a good (and fun) read!
      Steve
      Yeah, Tucker would help. So would Jeff Allen's book "9 Ball", what an entertaining read.

      RoD
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  • Profile picture of the author greenovni
    Hell no!

    Message too short
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  • Profile picture of the author Didge
    If your ex and you have worked out all issues and you honestly have no undealt with matters then go ahead with very clear boundaries, just make sure your intentions are good and you have no other agenda for wanting to help.

    If there is still issues and negative feelings .. no way
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  • Profile picture of the author Melanie Bremner
    I'd say too, if she hasn't really shown any interest in your success before, I doubt she would really be in it to get the most of what she can to be successful too. It will probably be a waste of your time.

    I have tutored others including relatives and I have learned that unless they really have a desire to learn and be pro-active they will not go very far. It can be a lot of hard work, not everyone has the time or desire to wait a year if need be until they can make enough consistently to rely on it fully.

    Like most everyone here, I don't advise it.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Steven Fullman - Tucker makes for quite an interesting read, thanks for sharing! Somehow this is the first time I'm hearing about him, and I'll definitely be reading more of his rants from now on...lol.

    @loren, @thebillionairegirl - excellent ideas. I think when you give someone something for free (when it really isn't) with no strings attached, it causes them to discount what the value of what they're receiving. I know that the gurus like to talk about this a lot, and Russell Brunson (this really made an impression on me) has stressed several times that he always insists on paying for courses that are sold by his fellow gurus even when they're offered to him for free. When something is given freely, I guess in many cases the end result is that you just end up not taking any action on it at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    I've had good friends (and even a family member) ask me to teach them IM. As much as I'd love to help them out, I decided that I need to know first just how serious they are. Just to cover the basics would take many hours of coaching and answering questions. And this would never end -- IF they actually stuck with it. I doubt many people would stick with it, once they realize that it's not as easy as setting up an automated blog and sitting back and watching TV while the money pours in.

    Offering to mentor someone in IM is a very serious proposition. I wouldn't even consider it unless the other person brings something to the table (such as deep knowledge of a subject you want to base a product on.) Otherwise, you can assume that they have no grasp of how much WORK this stuff actually requires, and it's going to end badly. Either they are going to become a huge drain on your time, or they are going to quit after you've already spent hours trying to help them, which will make YOU upset.

    It's exciting to think that you can help a close friend, or loved one, discover this cool way to make money on the internet. But the reality is that this requires an enormous amount of work and discipline and not everyone is cut out to be a Warrior...

    The solution is simple: when a friend expresses interest in learning IM, send them one of the books in your PDF collection that explains the basics, how to set up a blog, etc. You will know within a week's time if that person is seriously interested and willing to dedicate themselves. I'd venture to say that only 10% of the people will even bother to read the PDF you send to them...
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  • Profile picture of the author avandrunen
    Only you can decide if this is worth your time or if you are the kind of person to try and do something this selfless for someone else with no chance of remuneration.

    The biggest issues I see are that unless she starts doing some research on her own she will never follow through and that she want you to just do it for her.

    I introduced my brother to IM as a way to make some extra cash for his new computer and he didn't decide to follow through with it...even tho it would have drastically reduced the time it would take for him to afford it...his wife was supportive...

    Granted I have fallen off the IM wagon and am just now climbing back on I do have money to show for it and he saw that...the person has to want it enough to start it on their own.

    Just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    If she broke up with you, don't. If you broke up with her, give her a hand. If it was mutual, CHARGE HER... LOL!

    Just kidding.

    In my humble opinion, you should always help someone in need whenever possible. Just make sure that in helping her you don't compromise your own business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    ok guys, I have been in this situation many times and every single time the people I tried to help ended up quitting for whatever lame excuse they could find for not doing it. Nor did I receive any thanks for trying to help them in the first place.

    And they even tried to blame me for their lack of ability, it didn't matter what it was, the reason they weren't successful was my fault never theirs. This is especially true when dealing with women dude and I can guarantee that in the unlikely event that she succeeds she will not thank nor remember you let alone reward you for it in any way.

    Also, I don't know who you think you are kidding, you obviously still have feelings for this girl hence you are trying to rationalize your actions and convince everyone here that you are just being 'a night in shining armor.'

    Stop investing your time and energy into this girl, she will not magically feel horny for you again which is what you are hoping for in doing this. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

    Google a forum called: mASF

    It is the warrior forum of attraction and relationships, it will do you a world of good if you look it up and browse through the forum

    FYi.

    DON'T DO IT(I have lost count how many successful businessmen have said dont mix pleasure and business)
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    forget it nuff said
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    @Liane - I'd like to see her try her hand at article marketing and building free blogs, doing web 2.0 promotions with her written articles, etc. Something low-risk and pretty much free; this will also allow me to see if she has the discipline and determination to actually do IM. It's a great proving ground, in my opinion.

    Everyone has been so generous with their responses, and I'm really thankful for that. The first-hand accounts are especially valuable. I'll have to weigh all the factors and ultimately decide for myself if I want to take this plunge, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Technista
    Dangerous territory here. Maybe if she had approached you first and showed genuine interest in IM, backed up by actions...

    What works so well for you is not guaranteed to work the same for others. She might even blame you if she invests time and $$$ in IM and it doesn't give her the results she wants.

    Back away and keep your friendship intact!
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