What do you hate most about IM?

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Whether it be affiliate marketing, cpa marketing, product marketing, etc... what is it that you hate the most?

Getting paid 15 or more days after generating the sale?
Having your commissions stolen by other affiliates, or the networks themselves?
Not knowing how your customers are being treated if you're promoting affiliate links?


What is it? I'm curious... what do you hate the most about internet marketing?


I've recently noticed that I've been having some cash flow problems because I've just started using PPC again. My problem isn't that my campaigns aren't profitable... in fact, they're doing decently well... but since I don't have credit (long story) I'm on a pre-pay plan with adwords.

Well, problem is, I'll throw $X into my account and spend it on clicks, I'll make money in sales... then I'll have to wait for 30 days to get my damn check so I can refill my adwords account! It's starting to get on my nerves... haha

Just thought I'd rant a little.

What are your pet peeves?
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    There's no way of checking if the affiliate program you are in are
    giving you the right amount of sales that you have made.

    this is especially important for internet marketers just starting out
    in this business.....

    when doing much work but without sales is very demoralizing....
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    • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
      Originally Posted by thomashoi View Post

      There's no way of checking if the affiliate program you are in are
      giving you the right amount of sales that you have made.

      this is especially important for internet marketers just starting out
      in this business.....

      when doing much work but without sales is very demoralizing....
      I struggled with that one (still do) when I was first starting out... I eventually chalked it up to blind trust.. Sometimes though, you can get the vendor to put your analytics tracking code on their thank you page in order to confirm with your own tracking. Problem is that no tracking is ever 100%... :-/
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  • Profile picture of the author JMPruitt
    The thing I hate the most is all the writing. I now outsource most of it except for my blog posts. I still write those myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author david-storer
      Originally Posted by JMPruitt View Post

      The thing I hate the most is all the writing. I now outsource most of it except for my blog posts. I still write those myself.
      Hi there JMPruitt, i know what you mean, the writing is rediculous, i would much rather research and outsource the rest. What kind of stuff do you outsource, is it expensive, is it worth the money and do you have any recomendations.
      Cheers
      David Storer
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Stigson
    The thing I hate most is that people make it seem a lot harder than it is. A few simple tasks repeated many, many times is the real secret to success in the business, yet people seek out the magic bullet time and time again... I used to chase it, many years ago, but it all boils down to hard work. THAT pisses me off =)
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    Originally Posted by threatlevelorange View Post

    Not knowing who to trust. Not being able to depend on people. Not knowing where to get valid information.
    Oh yeah... that one is a big one... It's not the lack of knowledge that hurts us... it's the surplus of misinformation that does..
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  • Profile picture of the author Arun Kumar
    I usually provide my services and earn. I hate the people who offer services for less price than other people offer in IM bcoz of that the clients are being used to go for cheaper services as much as they can get with out looking at the difference between the quality of work from each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trixxie12
    I hate thinking of what to write.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
    The endless swathe of lies, hype, hypocrisy, and deception you have to cut through, deflect, and try to not fall foul of.
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    • Profile picture of the author barbling
      Originally Posted by TheNightOwl View Post

      The endless swathe of lies, hype, hypocrisy, and deception you have to cut through, deflect, and try to not fall foul of.
      Agreed. Emotional copy is great if it doesn't lie.

      But the hype is unbelievable.

      Even worse...it's the stuff that sells as well. And that gets me on the rant of buyer who SAY they hate hype...but lap up the most-hyped products they can find. Argh.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I promote my own products. I hate the products that don't deliver, the misleading hype, the dishonesty, the fake testimonials, the flogs, forced continuity scams ....

    All the things that give Internet marketing such a bad name ... that's what I hate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creative Thinker
    I hate when a network declines me for no obvious reason other than the fact that I am not from a native English speaking country.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Pereira
    Gotta hate that IM isn't more well known. It would be awesome if anywhere you went, someone knew what you were talking about when you said you were an "internet marketer" :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Wage Mills
      The fact that most of the marketers that make money only make money selling products about making money.
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      • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
        Originally Posted by Wage Mills View Post

        The fact that most of the marketers that make money only make money selling products about making money.
        I don't think that's true... The problem is the perception. Marketers that sell "make money" products are the only ones you hear about (because this is their niche)... The internet marketers that don't have a product to sell you are too busy promoting in their own niche for you to notice them.

        In fact, if that were true, the only niche that would exist would be making money online....
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        • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
          Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

          I don't think that's true... The problem is the perception. Marketers that sell "make money" products are the only ones you hear about (because this is their niche)... The internet marketers that don't have a product to sell you are too busy promoting in their own niche for you to notice them.

          In fact, if that were true, the only niche that would exist would be making money online....

          I get what you are saying, but there is a disproportionate number of people selling make money stuff.

          e.g. the WSO and this Forum are full of noobs who haven't made a penny, trying to sell stuff to make us all rich.

          So I have to agree with the above poster.

          Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author johnnwabueze
    For me what I hate most is the Hype in every sales letter.

    Whenever I read through them they piss me off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      I'd say I don't hate anything about it, except that it doesn't pay me a million dollars for doing nothing. The things people hate about it can be a problem, but with problems come opportunity; for example, you may hate that IM isn't well known, but that very fact is what created the incredible niche for warriors to sell their skills to business people that think it's a magical mystery tour.

      If you hate that PPC with no credit means you have to wait to get paid before you can keep going, save your money and build up to the point where you can keep it going all month; then you'll have less competition from the people who still can't keep it going.

      Wherever there is a barrier to entry; once you overcome it, you have a valuable asset that others don't have. It's been said before, but bears repeating; if it was easy and problem free, pretty soon everyone would catch on, and there would be no money in it.

      If you hate the hype; chances are lots of potential customers also do; so that means there's a great opportunity to set yourself apart as a rare no-bs marketer.

      What's hard about anything is often what makes it worth doing. When I go out in the wilderness and have to carry a 40 pound pack up 3 miles of elevation gain, it's hard, but it means that I get to be in a wonderland free of people that don't love it enough to work for it. Sure, driving to the local lake would be easier; that's why it's so crowded with morons and beer slobs tossing cigarette butts and empty Bud cans on the ground, and blasting crappy music.

      Well there is one thing I hate; the fact that I have nobody to blame but myself for the fact that I'm not rich yet. On the flip side, when I am, I'll feel pretty proud, even though lots of people have helped me along the way.
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      • Profile picture of the author cdhartpence
        The hype. The misrepresentation. The disingenuous claims.



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      • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
        Good points Greg. If was easy everyone would be doing it and driving the profits down. Also I never use the term internet marketeer in reference to myself. I am a writer and publishing or internet marketing is part of the biz.
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      • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        If you hate that PPC with no credit means you have to wait to get paid before you can keep going, save your money and build up to the point where you can keep it going all month; then you'll have less competition from the people who still can't keep it going.

        Wherever there is a barrier to entry; once you overcome it, you have a valuable asset that others don't have. It's been said before, but bears repeating; if it was easy and problem free, pretty soon everyone would catch on, and there would be no money in it.
        Saving until I have a whole month doesn't put me ahead... I'm still saving, but I may as well realize the profit while I can, which helps me save faster...

        And I agree about the asset... once I can break this barrier I'll be leaps and bounds ahead.

        I've found that's pretty uniform across the board with IM. It seems like improvements are made in a series of plateaus.. you tread for a while, then you finally break into the next plateau until you overcome that and you move up again..


        It's the irritation of being so close you can taste it that gets me. haha. But I always get it... because it drives me too.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

    I've recently noticed that I've been having some cash flow problems because I've just started using PPC again. My problem isn't that my campaigns aren't profitable... in fact, they're doing decently well... but since I don't have credit (long story) I'm on a pre-pay plan with adwords.
    Yeah, I had that problem the other day... even posted a "HELP" thread, which was rapidly deleted, but not before a fellow Warrior came to the rescue with a content order.

    My issue wasn't PPC, though. I spent the past few weeks putting together a product, two of them without taking on any clients in my writing business... longer than I expected... and I figured the product sales would make up the shortfall.

    Not. Even. Close.

    Doesn't help that for the first couple hours the product was up for sale, the "buy now" button... didn't work. Fixed it easily enough, but still, my calculations suggest I lost half of this week's sales that way.

    So yesterday morning, when I came in here begging for help (orders, not donations), I was literally four hours from being out on the street.

    But there's that whole bright side to everything, you know? I did make sales. I did come out with a profit of over $100 in a single week. If you play the numbers game, that means fifteen products is a solid income, and they're not all that hard to create - plus, the experience I've had during this launch will make the next one easier.

    It just always seems to me that my pet peeves about IM aren't really about IM, they're about the natural and normal mistakes I make in the process of stretching forward.

    In fact, that's my big pet peeve about everything: I don't always get things right the first time. I screw up. I make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes are simple ignorance, sometimes they're overconfidence, it varies - but what bothers me isn't so much the IM field itself, but my own inability to get everything right every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
    What do I hate about IM?

    Focusing on things I hate about IM.

    No time for it, enjoying it too much.

    See ya!

    Peter
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    People who are assholes and try to scam others by hype.
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  • Profile picture of the author jvsw2000
    i have to agree with telegramsam, ;P,

    im starting with affiliates, see what happens, ive seen it wrok for a friend he has made loads of £ in the past 8 months...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    People bitching about refunds every single day
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  • Profile picture of the author Toby Lewis
    The hype really gets to me.

    The whole IM industry feels very desperate and tacky. I'd be ashamed to show most sales pitches to my friends/family.

    What a depressing thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    People using Scare Tactics and keep complaining if another company changes its rules etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    The hours, by far. I end up working through the morning, afternoon, evening and lately till six in the mourning. Then I sleep for two hours.

    Nobody makes me work these hours of course - but when you become aware your literally typing your family a future, its hard to stop.
    Every extra hour spent at the keyboard could be the difference between being comfortable and having a life style I actually want.

    It pays off nicely but I wonder how many of us are burning the candle at both ends. Probably all of us I guess! LOL

    Rant over, apologies given,
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