Vista woes

by raydp 28 replies
Having wasted a whole morning trying to unzip a file in Vista (finally did it by downloading WinRar) I wondered if anyone has "upgraded" their Vista powered computer to XP?

I have never been so bewildered by anything so much as my new laptop with it's flashy Vista installation. Files seem to have a life of their own disappearing and popping up at will!

I'm seriously thinking of selling it and upgrading my old pc.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris_Willow
    Install Linux Ubuntu- it's free, open source and not that hard to use...

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  • Profile picture of the author JamieBing
    We have 2 Dell Inspiron 1501 Laptops... One of which we "upgarded" back to XP the other we left "stock".

    The XP one is much much faster... but we also have a few "bugs" now that we have never been able to get totally worked out. Some odd little driver issues that keep coming back.

    Some days I like the Vista machine but more days I like the XP. Vista always asks too many questions. :-)

    Just had to toss in my personal experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author raydp
      Chris, I have thought of the Ubuntu option, but is it possible to easily run things like ftp software, or XSitePro?

      Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    For some reason IE8 and FF3 wont work on my vista laptop but work fine on my XP laptop. Anyone run into this issue and fixed it?
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieBing
    FF3 Crashes pretty often but they just did a new update last night and the problem seems to have stopped. I have not updated ti IE8 yet... sounds like I may ought to wait on that one.

    3 weeks of FF crashing was a P.I.T.A.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Originally Posted by raydp View Post

    I wondered if anyone has "upgraded" their Vista powered computer to XP?


    I'm seriously thinking of selling it and upgrading my old pc.

    Ray
    I have "upgraded" many Vista machines to XP. Not really hard to do, any questions, PM me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Monty
    I'm getting more used to Vista. FF is still crashing though.

    You can turn off the User Account Control which make the pop-ups less frequent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Have you not all tried the all new Windows Mojave?

      I hear it's great.

      Sincerely,

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    why don't you just format it and install xp?
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  • Profile picture of the author Devan Koshal
    Originally Posted by raydp View Post

    Having wasted a whole morning trying to unzip a file in Vista (finally did it by downloading WinRar) I wondered if anyone has "upgraded" their Vista powered computer to XP?

    I have never been so bewildered by anything so much as my new laptop with it's flashy Vista installation. Files seem to have a life of their own disappearing and popping up at will!

    I'm seriously thinking of selling it and upgrading my old pc.

    Ray
    ive had vista since it was first released... works fine no glitches or anything.

    in saying that im getting a macbook pro...because everyone knows there good lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    Mu Dell Inspiron also has Vista and it presents a lot of problems. Mainly with trying to use software already owned and now I have had to change my work around it.

    Luckily I still have my old computer for recovering my old records etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    Vista is complete rubbish. I had it inflicted on me when I bought my latest Dell notebook and it's caused me no end of problems.

    I have a solution to the problem however. I use the free VMWare player VMware Player, Virtual Machine, Virtual PC - VMware (Not an affiliate link) to run an XP system in a window on my Vista machine.

    Setting it up is quite simple and there are lots of references in google on how to do it like this one VMware Player with your own Windows XP Professional Virtual Machine (Nothing to do with me - I just googled to find it). When you have the virtual machine set up you just insert your XP cd and install it into the VM as if it were a real machine.

    This system is awesome. You can set up an xp system and a Ubuntu and a Win2000 system and have them all running on your host system at the same time. If you back up your VM image to a flash stick or dvd then you can move it to another machine running the VM player and use it as if you'd carried a physical machine with you. If your real machine dies then just buy anything on offer, install VMware player and you are ready to go again.

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  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
    I friend of mine's wife knows a programmer at MicroSoft who said he couldn't get Vista to work on his PC. LOL.

    There was a great humor piece about upgrading Vista to XP a while back:

    Review: Windows XP. Here's a sample from the review:

    "Speaking of which, I notice that the Reliability Report is also gone, again a sore loss, I really enjoyed charting the downward spiral of my Vista reliability, there were those occasional humps that got you all excited, and then the graph would continue its steady sojourn downwards"

    PCMag published instructions for doing the downgrade here
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      I think that Microsoft is the only company I know of that makes money by continuing to develop worse products. I know XP was a slight improvement from ME, which was one of my all time favorites. But this Vista is CRAP. I had not had this machine a week when it locked up, due to running out of memory and the only thing I could do was turn it off. A computer geek who helped me configure it convinced me that one gig of memory was enough. Not even!!!. I lost my Outlook and had to scramble for email for a few days and finally got Microsoft to fix it for me for $49, but they didn't fix the data file that was corrupted so I lost all my email and contact list.

      I found out that Vista uses a lot of memory in the background doing god knows what. I have lots of stuff running and it is not uncommon for me to have ten or more browsers going and a few other programs too, so the one gig of memory is not even close for my needs. Again I had the lock up happen to me and I lost my MS Outlook AGAIN, and now have to use Windows Mail until I decide to spend the $49 with Microsoft to get my email fixed AGAIN.

      I had a problem just yesterday with memory. Not sure what happened but nothing was responding and I looked at the memory monitor and it was pegged, not just in the red, but pegged up against the end of the scale. I had not loaded anything for a wile so not sure why. I had problems closing programs down but got a few of them closed and then just turned it off. Nothing I clicked did anything. And the screen turned black for a while a few times, like the computer died. I did manage to get it to come back but finally just turned it off and started over. My MS Outlook is already out of commission so that wasn't a problem this time. But what a joke. I need more memory, but why do they sell these Vista machines with one gig of memory? Obvously it isn't enough for this OS and anyone who uses their machine much.

      To say that Vista is a PITA is putting it mildly. I may just finally go to Mac the next time I buy a computer. Do I sound angry? Angry really doesn't describe my feelings for Vista. I heard they have a new OS called Mojave or something. Maybe I should upgrade to that one. Hahahahahahahaha
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      • Profile picture of the author David Neale
        Tim perhaps you should be angry with the computer geek

        Memory is cheap, it only stands to reason that more powerful software and OS will require more memory. It's always been that way.

        Microsoft didn't sell you the computer with 1 gig of ram in it. 1 gig sucks on XP also!!

        32 bit machines = 3gigs
        64 bit machines = 4gigs +

        It's foolish to do otherwise. How much is your time worth?

        Originally Posted by timpears View Post

        I think that Microsoft is the only company I know of that makes money by continuing to develop worse products. I know XP was a slight improvement from ME, which was one of my all time favorites. But this Vista is CRAP. I had not had this machine a week when it locked up, due to running out of memory and the only thing I could do was turn it off. A computer geek who helped me configure it convinced me that one gig of memory was enough. Not even!!!. I lost my Outlook and had to scramble for email for a few days and finally got Microsoft to fix it for me for $49, but they didn't fix the data file that was corrupted so I lost all my email and contact list.

        I found out that Vista uses a lot of memory in the background doing god knows what. I have lots of stuff running and it is not uncommon for me to have ten or more browsers going and a few other programs too, so the one gig of memory is not even close for my needs. Again I had the lock up happen to me and I lost my MS Outlook AGAIN, and now have to use Windows Mail until I decide to spend the $49 with Microsoft to get my email fixed AGAIN.

        I had a problem just yesterday with memory. Not sure what happened but nothing was responding and I looked at the memory monitor and it was pegged, not just in the red, but pegged up against the end of the scale. I had not loaded anything for a wile so not sure why. I had problems closing programs down but got a few of them closed and then just turned it off. Nothing I clicked did anything. And the screen turned black for a while a few times, like the computer died. I did manage to get it to come back but finally just turned it off and started over. My MS Outlook is already out of commission so that wasn't a problem this time. But what a joke. I need more memory, but why do they sell these Vista machines with one gig of memory? Obvously it isn't enough for this OS and anyone who uses their machine much.

        To say that Vista is a PITA is putting it mildly. I may just finally go to Mac the next time I buy a computer. Do I sound angry? Angry really doesn't describe my feelings for Vista. I heard they have a new OS called Mojave or something. Maybe I should upgrade to that one. Hahahahahahahaha
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    Vista will probably do for Microsoft what the Titanic did for the White Star Lines
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    I certainly have had a couple of screwy problems with vista, but overall,
    am really impressed with it.

    I ran into a really interesting computer a few days ago that doesn't offer
    vista. You can get it with linux or xp, just under $300 with linux, just over
    with xp. (That's without a monitor, keyboard or mouse.) It is about a
    quarter the size of a laptop, and I've kept the tab open for awhile because
    I keep going back to it. It's at: fit-PC
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    • Profile picture of the author David Neale
      I'm using Vista with the 64bit OS and 4gigs of ram. It's great, some issues running older software because of the 64 issue but the trade off is fine with me.

      The main reason I wanted to get the 64bit OS was because I could access more memory if needed. XP (32bit is standard for most people) can't ever use more than just under 3gigs of ram (2.75 I believe).

      Photoshop CS3 for example, even though a 32bit app will still run faster on a 64bit OS because more memory is available to it. Especial heavy tasks using lots of math like sticking scenes together. About 20-25% faster which is significant.

      I haven't tried it yet but I'm guessing video compression/editing etc. will benefit also.

      I still have an XP machine which I like a lot also but I think it's mainly because I know where everything is and work with the OS easily.

      Vista is new and will take me some time to figure out how to do things but generally I love it.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    I think I may be alone on this, but I really like Vista.

    Sure, it takes some getting used to as things have moved around quite a bit, but I'm a big fan now.

    The only drawback I've seen is that some small budget games (ie. STALKER Clear Sky) can crash often. This seems to be more of an issue with bad programming rather than Vista, though, as games patches often fix these things.

    But all in all, I love my Vista!


    What was the problem with opening a zip file? You should have been able to right-click it and select "Extract All", or double left click it to open it up and then you can drag the contents out.


    It's also a good idea to run the Performance Thingy (don't remember the exact name) as it'll scale Vista's CPU and Memory usage down to match your computer hardware.

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author jnapier
    I bought a Dell M2010 in March of 07. It's got vista. POS!

    New hard drive, new motherboard, new bluetooth chip, new memory, and 2 new video cards.

    Now...I've got to totally re-install vista on the machine. Uhh...

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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    Hi David,

    It's been awhile since I've been into PC hardware, but my understanding was that 32 bit could only handle 2 gigs.

    But you said it'll run okay with 3 gig?

    Would you see any issue with a system running 1 stick of 2gb, and 1 stick of 1gb?

    I'm not sure if the ram is supposed to match sizes in the memory slots these days...

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author David Neale
      Hi Sam, I think the max is 2.75 but whether the extra .75 is easily available to apps I'm not sure. You coul probably just Google the issue for the 100% accurate info.

      I think mixing the sticks depend on your motherboard... again I'm not sure either (sorry)

      Originally Posted by samstephens View Post

      Hi David,

      It's been awhile since I've been into PC hardware, but my understanding was that 32 bit could only handle 2 gigs.

      But you said it'll run okay with 3 gig?

      Would you see any issue with a system running 1 stick of 2gb, and 1 stick of 1gb?

      I'm not sure if the ram is supposed to match sizes in the memory slots these days...

      cheers
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      Originally Posted by samstephens View Post

      Hi David,

      It's been awhile since I've been into PC hardware, but my understanding was that 32 bit could only handle 2 gigs.

      But you said it'll run okay with 3 gig?

      Would you see any issue with a system running 1 stick of 2gb, and 1 stick of 1gb?

      I'm not sure if the ram is supposed to match sizes in the memory slots these days...

      cheers
      Sam
      The max for 32bit xp pro is 4 gig.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I think 32 bit can HOLD 4 gigs but actually only use 3. ( You would put 4 in to utilize dual channel ). And hey, I could be wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      I thought I should have got two gigs, I had the choice of one or two when I purchased, but two was the most they offered. I hired a computer geek to help me and he talked me into one gig. He was the expert. Now I know better, but if I was a computer geek I could just run out and buy the memory, but I am not. I bought memory once before for a computer and found out that I got the wrong type so instead of the chip I bought being added to the chip I had, it would only replace it and that was a little wasteful. So do I take my computer in and get a tech to do it for me? I can't really be without it that long. The last time I got a geek to help me at my home, I got in this problem. So far I have dealt with the frustration and it works most of the time. I know I just have to make the time and spend the money, but it isn't that easy to make the time. And every time I go to take that money out of my pocket it squeaks. My wife says it is because I am so tight. But bottom line, it is one of those things that I am going to do tomorrow, or maybe next week. But then I will have one less thing to whine about.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    Thanks for the tips David, Kim, and Garrie!

    I did a search, and it turns out you can install 4 gigs in Vista 32bit.

    The ram you can actually access depends on what hardware you have using some of it, naturally.

    Looks like I might go buy another 2gb and see how STALKER runs then

    For those interested:
    Memory Limits for Windows Releases (Windows)

    cheers
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