Stop Responding To Questions You Don't Intend To Answer!

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I see it so much and it get's under my skin because people are asking legitimate questions and some people have paid to be here, even if it was a small price people don't deserve to be treated as dummies and made fun of for asking questions that you feel are obvious.

Why do so many people respond to question and talk about what they feel the person asking the question should be doing without ever addressing their original question. I think this is very rude and someone should put a stop to it.

It is fine to give advice but at least address the question. If someone asks if they should use various anchor text when building backlinks and your response is why are you building backlinks or search the forum there's plenty of stuff on this. That is very rude and inconsiderate, your waisting everyones time just as much as you feel they are for posting the question if not more.

On the other hand a question like should I help my ex girlfriend learn Im gets the up most respect and attention. I just don't get it. Yes, you have the right to respond or not respond to whatever you desire but it's not fair to respond with ridicule.

And the same people that were on here just a year ago crying for help are the ones that seem to be getting cocky, yes I've been observing warrior forum for years so don't let the join date fool you. You reap what you sow, remember that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
    Because this is a grown up world
    and people can say and do what they want.

    Once you make peace with that fact of life... life
    actually becomes much more easier and enjoyable because
    you quit complaining about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor View Post

      Because this is a grown up world
      and people can say and do what they want.

      Once you make peace with that fact of life... life
      actually becomes much more easier and enjoyable because
      you quit complaining about it.
      Yes I did state that people could respond or not respond to whatever they want but a grown up world, especially a business world wouldn't sit around and taunt others for not knowing what we do, we either help or ignore, simple!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post

        Yes I did state that people could respond or not respond to whatever they want
        That is so kind of you to allow people to do that ....

        Use the search functions = I have posted this answer 20 times and there are threads out there already ... Please do a little research.

        That is not rude at all.. That is helping not only teaching people how to research but also teach them that using the search feature may give them more answers to other questions they may have.

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        • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          That is so kind of you to allow people to do that ....

          Use the search functions = I have posted this answer 20 times and there are threads out there already ... Please do a little research.

          That is not rude at all.. That is helping not only teaching people how to research but also teach them that using the search feature may give them more answers to other questions they may have.

          James
          Ok you Jerk, lol

          I will admit I may have used a bad example but I'm sure everyone here has seen people respond to questions with no intent on actually suppling an answer or even a nudge toward an answer. With the time waisted making wise cracks they could have just answered the question.
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          • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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            I wonder what kind of reception the Rich Jerk would get on this forum.
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            • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
              Originally Posted by innocent07 View Post

              I wonder what kind of reception the Rich Jerk would get on this forum.
              I'm sure everyone would either love or hate him, no inbetween.

              For me, I don't have a problem with people asking questions so long as they read the rules. I get after newbies for signature violations - it would suck for them to get banned from the Warrior Forum over something so simple.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
              Originally Posted by innocent07 View Post

              I wonder what kind of reception the Rich Jerk would get on this forum.
              Why don't you send him a PM and ask him?
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        • Profile picture of the author robinpike
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          Use the search functions = I have posted this answer 20 times and there are threads out there already ... Please do a little research.

          That is not rude at all.. That is helping not only teaching people how to research but also teach them that using the search feature may give them more answers to other questions they may have.
          I agree with you 100%... people tend to remember things more if they have to do a little work instead of it being handed over to them.

          However, I do agree that people have made rude comments (Im not saying telling them to research further before asking is one of them) and it does make that author of the thread feel embarrassed and like they are being belittled. It is just common courtesy to not respond if you don't have something useful, productive or kind to say...
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      • Profile picture of the author ktmurf
        This is the nature of the internet. Without face-time, it's easy to be a little more harsh than we normally would be in person. Some people start off with good intentions but that can go south very fast. It mostly stems from people who actually know something about the original topic. They post in an effort to send you down the proper path and either through ignorance or laziness, fail miserably in conveying the proper message. Poor grammar and incorrect spelling can make an otherwise harmless message seem quit rude. It's also hard to distinguish the inflections of one's message being that it's text and not verbal. The tone in which one makes a statement makes all of the difference in the world between kudos and crazy!


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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post

    I see it so much and it get's under my skin because people are asking legitimate questions and some people have paid to be here, even if it was a small price people don't deserve to be treated as dummies and made fun of for asking questions that you feel are obvious.

    Why do so many people respond to question and talk about what they feel the person asking the question should be doing without ever addressing their original question. I think this is very rude and someone should put a stop to it.

    It is fine to give advice but at least address the question. If someone asks if they should use various anchor text when building backlinks and your response is why are you building backlinks or search the forum there's plenty of stuff on this. That is very rude and inconsiderate, your waisting everyones time just as much as you feel they are for posting the question if not more.

    On the other hand a question like should I help my ex girlfriend learn Im gets the up most respect and attention. I just don't get it. Yes, you have the right to respond or not respond to whatever you desire but it's not fair to respond with ridicule.

    And the same people that were on here just a year ago crying for help are the ones that seem to be getting cocky, yes I've been observing warrior forum for years so don't let the join date fool you. You reap what you sow, remember that!

    I for the most part agree with you.

    The last couple of months have shown some serious "attitudes" when it comes to certain questions. If they don't want to answer them or feel the question is below them, they should just go to the next topic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      I for the most part agree with you.

      The last couple of months have shown some serious "attitudes" when it comes to certain questions. If they don't want to answer them or feel the question is below them, they should just go to the next topic.
      Thank you Jeremy, I always liked your view o things. Ok, I can't be seen talking to you, I might get my ezinearticles account canceled, oh I forgot I don't use ezine articles, ever! lol

      Keep up the good work J Dog
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post

    Why do so many people respond to question and talk about what they feel the person asking the question should be doing without ever addressing their original question. I think this is very rude and someone should put a stop to it.!
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    • Profile picture of the author xiaophil
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Please do a little research. That is not rude at all...teach them that using the search feature may give them more answers to other questions they may have.
      I agree completely. Failure to do a quick search before posting results in a fragmented knowledge base of diluted value. The good news is that you can also find the fragments using the search function.

      Originally Posted by ktmurf View Post

      ... It's also hard to distinguish the inflections of one's message being that it's text and not verbal. The tone in which one makes a statement makes all of the difference in the world between kudos and crazy!
      Exactly. The words themselves represent a small fraction of a communication, and words are so easy to misconstrue. In a forum though, it's all we really have to go on. Sometimes smileys can help to infer tone.


      Overall, don't take peoples words too seriously. I still get caught up sometimes trying to argue a point that is ultimately a time wasting exercise, but am learning to relax and go with the flow.

      Remember that while there are plenty of good folks on here, there is also a ton of misinformation and manipulation going on, so keep your wits about you, chill out, and enjoy the ride.
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      • Originally Posted by xiaophil View Post


        Overall, don't take peoples words too seriously. I still get caught up sometimes trying to argue a point that is ultimately a time wasting exercise, but am learning to relax and go with the flow.

        Remember that while there are plenty of good folks on here, there is also a ton of misinformation and manipulation going on, so keep your wits about you, chill out, and enjoy the ride.
        Well spoken my friend ... that's the spirit ... and its good to remember that there are no winners in an argument ...

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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    WC, for the most part I agree with you.

    Warriors, like any group of people, should show courtesy and respect for one another. Internet Marketing is a field that requires expertise in a number of disciplines, and not everyone can be a writer,technical wizard and marketing expert. One should not be ridiculed for asking a question that seems basic to others, after all everyone has to start somewhere. We also enjoy the diversity of having many members who speak English as a second language and may not have yet mastered some of the phrasing of their questions. Rather than being ridiculed, they are to be encouraged for speaking out.

    But by the same token those who ask questions also have a responsibility to (A) do some elementary research to avoid asking questions that are easily answered by a forum or Google search and (B) provide adequate details within their query so that it can be answered properly.

    A question like "How do I learn PHP?" or "Where do I find free WordPress themes?" indicates (at least to me) that the OP has not even lifted a finger to do any research. Just typing those queries word-for-word into Google will yield a wealth of information. Better questions might be "What advice would you have for a beginning programmer learning PHP?" or "Which free WordPress themes do you find most useful for marketing?".

    There is also a sense of timing - asking a question when there is an active thread about basically the same thing shows a lack of effort, and responses like "search the forum there's plenty of stuff on this" are perfectly justifiable in these cases. In some cases these are posted by new members, many times in an obvious attempt to reach the magic 50 post mark. They add no value to the forum.

    And there are also those who post vague questions like "my website looks bad on Firefox" without giving a link to the site in question or even defining what "looks bad" really means.

    By asking a question you are inviting dialog. You are soliciting opinions. And you should be prepared for the responses - positive or negative.

    All the best...

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  • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
    I've been noticing it from the beginning ever since I joined this forum last year.I rarely post here but will spy on what's going on without logging on a lot.

    There're a lot of cocky warriors who'll just be arrogant to share their tips or won't answer questions asked by a newbie correctly.Recently there was a guy who asked "shall I build backlinks for blah blah",and this particular warrior answered a different answer by mentioning "why would you do that" and give another answer to him.Certainly the warrior didn't answer the man's question.Thank god there were other warriors who were kind enough to reply to that thread with great answers and tips.

    If you don't know the answer,then just don't answer it.There's no point in suggesting and diverting his mind to do something else to solve his problem.He might be confused in the end and suffer from information overload.

    And there's another veteran member that worth to be mentioned here.Basically he would judge a person from their post counts or only respond to posts from his friends that he knows for a long time.If a newbie shared a new super idea here,you can see loads of "thanks" from other senior or newbie warriors but certainly NOT from him.I wonder why would he do that. WHY can't he say thank you or add up a few points here? Why must he be cocky? Even the mighty Willie Crawford would be kind enough to say thanks for tips shared by newbies but certainly NOT him.

    I'm sorry.I may sound RUDE here,but I hope that the warriors will do something about it. Be kind to help people here and they'll respect you MORE.

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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

      I've been noticing it from the beginning ever since I joined this forum last year.I rarely post here but will spy on what's going on without logging on a lot.

      There're a lot of cocky warriors who'll just be arrogant to share their tips or won't answer questions asked by a newbie correctly.Recently there was a guy who asked "shall I build backlinks for blah blah",and this particular warrior answered a different answer by mentioning "why would you do that" and give another answer to him.Certainly the warrior didn't answer the man's question.Thank god there were other warriors who were kind enough to reply to that thread with great answers and tips.

      If you don't know the answer,then just don't answer it.There's no point in suggesting and diverting his mind to do something else to solve his problem.He might be confused in the end and suffer from information overload.

      And there's another veteran member that worth to be mentioned here.Basically he would judge a person from their post counts or only respond to posts from his friends that he knows for a long time.If a newbie shared a new super idea here,you can see loads of "thanks" from other senior or newbie warriors but certainly NOT from him.I wonder why would he do that. WHY can't he say thank you or add up a few points here? Why must he be cocky? Even the mighty Willie Crawford would be kind enough to say thanks for tips shared by newbies but certainly NOT him.

      I'm sorry.I may sound RUDE here,but I hope that the warriors will do something about it. Be kind to help people here and they'll respect you MORE.

      MY 2C..
      It's not only rude to others, it's disrespectful to the owner, he built this place for a reason and beating others down is not it. You run people away like that. I know this is not the owners #1 business but I'm sure he wants to keep members coming back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Sometimes experienced members see where the newbie is going and tries to head them off before they get into trouble, go broke, spin in circles, take advice from nitwits, waste everyone's time on something that will just not work.

    If you come in here and ask how you can sell a thousand ebooks a day on catching warm farts do you really think we should try and help you accomplish that goal or maybe let you know that you won't be able to do that.

    Of course that was something obvious but to many of us we can see some seemingly workable plans just as plain as you saw my example.

    So the thread is full of newbies jumping all over the veteran for not answering the questions but none of them are qualified to know that it was a ridiculous question to begin with.

    I have seen a few threads where this has happened and the veterans leave the blind to lead themselves.

    Would that be a better alternative? I don't think so. But if a group of experienced members try to shed some light on the faulty questions and approach to the problem then they are viewed as attacking the newbies.

    I realize that this is not always the case but if a group of "old-timers" start trying to steer you down another path then you should probably think about what they are saying and not get defensive.

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Sometimes experienced members see where the newbie is going and tries to head them off before they get into trouble, go broke, spin in circles, take advice from nitwits, waste everyone's time on something that will just not work.

      If you come in here and ask how you can sell a thousand ebooks a day on catching warm farts do you really think we should try and help you accomplish that goal or maybe let you know that you won't be able to do that.

      Of course that was something obvious but to many of us we can see some seemingly workable plans just as plain as you saw my example.

      So the thread is full of newbies jumping all over the veteran for not answering the questions but none of them are qualified to know that it was a ridiculous question to begin with.

      I have seen a few threads where this has happened and the veterans leave the blind to lead themselves.

      Would that be a better alternative? I don't think so. But if a group of experienced members try to shed some light on the faulty questions and approach to the problem then they are viewed as attacking the newbies.

      I realize that this is not always the case but if a group of "old-timers" start trying to steer you down another path then you should probably think about what they are saying and not get defensive.

      Matt
      I wish more people thought like this.

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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Sometimes experienced members see where the newbie is going and tries to head them off before they get into trouble, go broke, spin in circles, take advice from nitwits, waste everyone's time on something that will just not work.

      If you come in here and ask how you can sell a thousand ebooks a day on catching warm farts do you really think we should try and help you accomplish that goal or maybe let you know that you won't be able to do that.

      Of course that was something obvious but to many of us we can see some seemingly workable plans just as plain as you saw my example.

      So the thread is full of newbies jumping all over the veteran for not answering the questions but none of them are qualified to know that it was a ridiculous question to begin with.

      I have seen a few threads where this has happened and the veterans leave the blind to lead themselves.

      Would that be a better alternative? I don't think so. But if a group of experienced members try to shed some light on the faulty questions and approach to the problem then they are viewed as attacking the newbies.

      I realize that this is not always the case but if a group of "old-timers" start trying to steer you down another path then you should probably think about what they are saying and not get defensive.

      Matt
      I also understand the case you make but if someone asks a question and someone decides to respond they should at least attempt to answer the question and throw in their extra advice as a bonus. Just because someone has a resent join date or a small number of post does not mean that they don't have a clue.

      My point is they could be testing something new, on the verge of a breakthrough at least they might think so. They could be researching something that could help us all out in the long run. Yes, I would want a warning if you have one but I would also like an answer to my original question, because that's why I asked.

      I'm sure that there are people that have been in the game for 5 years that could learn something for someone that has only been around for 1. No one has all the answers, and there are so many ways to skin a cat, we all can stand to learn a few new things or two?

      That stupid newbie might be the one with the answers to save your business a few years down the line. You get what you put out, that's the saying right?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post

        ...on the verge of a breakthrough at least they might think so.
        I agree with you that someone new could know something more than someone experienced. That was not my point.

        "...they might think so".

        I was saying that if I know and you know and we all know with the exception of the OP that the question is about something that is not going to work then should we answer it anyway?

        When you say that someone might be "experimenting" they should let us know off the bat that they are experimenting and then we can all look at it as a fun little project.

        "Let's see...how would we go about selling 1000 books on catching farts if we had to".

        I have seen plenty of those threads and they are fine as long as everyone knows it's a game.

        But if someone comes in here crying help and they want to know how to pay their bills from selling fart catching books don't you think we should help them understand that their foundation is bad and not entertain their fantasies?

        Or we see the fallacy and say nothing while they desperately cling onto their incorrect reasoning?

        I understand the points made about not answering reasonable questions and agree with everyone here on that point.

        I was putting forth another reason that some questions don't get answered in the way that poster would think.

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        • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
          Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

          I agree with you that someone new could know something more than someone experienced. That was not my point.

          "...they might think so".

          I was saying that if I know and you know and we all know with the exception of the OP that the question is about something that is not going to work then should we answer it anyway?

          When you say that someone might be "experimenting" they should let us know off the bat that they are experimenting and then we can all look at it as a fun little project.

          "Let's see...how would we go about selling 1000 books on catching farts if we had to".

          I have seen plenty of those threads and they are fine as long as everyone knows it's a game.

          But if someone comes in here crying help and they want to know how to pay their bills from selling fart catching books don't you think we should help them understand that their foundation is bad and not entertain their fantasies?

          Or we see the fallacy and say nothing while they desperately cling onto their incorrect reasoning?

          I understand the points made about not answering reasonable questions and agree with everyone here on that point.

          I was putting forth another reason that some questions don't get answered in the way that poster would think.

          Matt
          Matt I do respect where your coming from and yes I would welcome and appreciate the warning. Yes some questions are very general and don't have short answers, I know the type you have in mind but I have seen real questions being mowed down for no reason at all, getting wise crack answers, that type of behavior should be banned. We are all here for support, to give, receive or both, it's a forum for crying out loud. I have seen some of warrior forums most respected vets go at it about certain topics. That proves that just because you and I feel that it won't work or has no value does not mean someone else hasn't figured out something that we have constantly over looked. This is why I feel that all question that can be answered deserves a real answer and maybe a bonus caution if someone feels it is necessary.
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post

        I also understand the case you make but if someone asks a question and someone decides to respond they should at least attempt to answer the question and throw in their extra advice as a bonus. Just because someone has a resent join date or a small number of post does not mean that they don't have a clue.

        My point is they could be testing something new, on the verge of a breakthrough at least they might think so. They could be researching something that could help us all out in the long run. Yes, I would want a warning if you have one but I would also like an answer to my original question, because that's why I asked.

        I'm sure that there are people that have been in the game for 5 years that could learn something for someone that has only been around for 1. No one has all the answers, and there are so many ways to skin a cat, we all can stand to learn a few new things or two?

        That stupid newbie might be the one with the answers to save your business a few years down the line. You get what you put out, that's the saying right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Ratliff
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Sometimes experienced members see where the newbie is going and tries to head them off before they get into trouble, go broke, spin in circles, take advice from nitwits, waste everyone's time on something that will just not work.

      If you come in here and ask how you can sell a thousand ebooks a day on catching warm farts do you really think we should try and help you accomplish that goal or maybe let you know that you won't be able to do that.

      Of course that was something obvious but to many of us we can see some seemingly workable plans just as plain as you saw my example.

      So the thread is full of newbies jumping all over the veteran for not answering the questions but none of them are qualified to know that it was a ridiculous question to begin with.

      I have seen a few threads where this has happened and the veterans leave the blind to lead themselves.

      Would that be a better alternative? I don't think so. But if a group of experienced members try to shed some light on the faulty questions and approach to the problem then they are viewed as attacking the newbies.

      I realize that this is not always the case but if a group of "old-timers" start trying to steer you down another path then you should probably think about what they are saying and not get defensive.

      Matt
      Matt, that response is just dripping with wisdom.

      I think since humans of varying experiences and knowledge are asking the questions...and other humans of varying experiences and knowledge are answering/responding to the questions...there will always be differences of opinion and interpretation about the ideas and content shared (hence why it's a discussion forum, not a question and answer forum).

      I hold to the belief that even if someone's response could be interpreted as "rude", it's all being delivered in trying to help the original person asking the question.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Sometimes experienced members see where the newbie is going and tries to head them off before they get into trouble, go broke, spin in circles, take advice from nitwits, waste everyone's time on something that will just not work.

      If you come in here and ask how you can sell a thousand ebooks a day on catching warm farts do you really think we should try and help you accomplish that goal or maybe let you know that you won't be able to do that.

      Of course that was something obvious but to many of us we can see some seemingly workable plans just as plain as you saw my example.

      So the thread is full of newbies jumping all over the veteran for not answering the questions but none of them are qualified to know that it was a ridiculous question to begin with.

      I have seen a few threads where this has happened and the veterans leave the blind to lead themselves.

      Would that be a better alternative? I don't think so. But if a group of experienced members try to shed some light on the faulty questions and approach to the problem then they are viewed as attacking the newbies.

      I realize that this is not always the case but if a group of "old-timers" start trying to steer you down another path then you should probably think about what they are saying and not get defensive.

      Matt

      Matt, I don't know if I ever told you this...but you're one hell of a smart
      dude.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Matt, I don't know if I ever told you this...but you're one hell of a smart
        dude.
        Thank you Steven.

        It comes from actually reading the posts here at the forum.

        I feel the same way about you. I agree with you most of the time but even when I disagree, I still take the time to stop and think about what you are saying. It gives me a broader view of the subject.

        Sometimes I run into a situation that gives me the experience needed to see that you were right.

        I think having an open mind is the key to learning here and it brings up another reason that I think some folks don't get answers.

        Because they are not really looking for them. A lot of people come here with an idea and they are just looking for confirmation and justification to act on their ideas.

        When we challenge them rather than confirm, they feel as though we have crushed their dreams and naturally get unhappy.

        Matt
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

          I think having an open mind is the key to learning here and it brings up another reason that I think some folks don't get answers.

          Because they are not really looking for them. A lot of people come here with an idea and they are just looking for confirmation and justification to act on their ideas.

          When we challenge them rather than confirm, they feel as though we have crushed their dreams and naturally get unhappy.

          Matt
          I agree. Many people don't want to hear the truth, as I think I mentioned
          in my post, and when they get it, it's like they just got hit over the head
          with a sledge hammer.

          I used to be that way...I admit it. Now, I get frustrated when people do
          tell me what I want to hear. I know I'm not perfect and want to improve,
          but I find few people who actually have the wisdom or the desire to help
          me improve.

          But that's another kettle of fish.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

            Because they are not really looking for them. A lot of people come here with an idea and they are just looking for confirmation and justification to act on their ideas.

            When we challenge them rather than confirm, they feel as though we have crushed their dreams and naturally get unhappy.

            Matt
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I agree. Many people don't want to hear the truth, as I think I mentioned in my post, and when they get it, it's like they just got hit over the head with a sledge hammer.
            I've been accused of being (mean, harsh, nasty) in the past because I've answered questions and given opinions in blunt straightforward style. The truth is, I'm showing that person respect by treating them as an equal rather than some poor supplicant who must be coddled at all costs.

            If someone is so fragile that they need everything sugar coated for them, they're in the wrong business.

            On the other hand, I try not to be insulting unless the person gives multiple indications that they deserve no better...
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    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      Sometimes experienced members see where the newbie is going and tries to head them off before they get into trouble, go broke, spin in circles, take advice from nitwits, waste everyone's time on something that will just not work.
      That may be true, but over in the seo forum, basically every day you'll get a thread where someone asks something like "what profile backlink packets do you use and recommend?", and then you get 10 replies from people who joined in the last month and say something along the lines of "profile backlinks are the devil".

      its people hijacking threads to spin their own agenda.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    in an obvious attempt to reach the magic 50 post mark
    I didn't get the memo on this. Seriously, what happens at 50 posts? Did I miss out on a cool prize?

    Hmm... maybe I should have used the search feature
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    • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I didn't get the memo on this. Seriously, what happens at 50 posts? Did I miss out on a cool prize?

      Hmm... maybe I should have used the search feature
      50 posts does win you a prize - the ability to send PM's. Don't worry, you won it a long time ago!
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    The answer is c: Paris.

    Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I was on that show Who wants to be a Millionaire.

    Was I wrong?
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  • We had a saying when I was working in construction...

    "Be nice to the waterboy - he might be your boss
    on the next job!"

    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
      Originally Posted by Michael Worthington View Post

      We had a saying when I was working in construction...

      "Be nice to the waterboy - he might be your boss
      on the next job!"

      Michael
      That's right were you a union man?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
      I agree with using the search function to try and find answers. I was guilty of this myself when I first came here a little over a year ago. But I was never made to feel bad about it.

      As much as some people may be annoyed by seeing the same question being asked multiple times, I still don't think it gives anyone the right to be rude or blast someone for it. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who may be on a lower level than some that could actually answer the question or would even want to. Could give them a little confidence boost knowing they are helping someone out.

      Either way, karma is a bitch and as a few people have said, you never know when that person is going to be the one you may need help from at somepoint.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I'm pretty much with you in spirit. However, in my experience about 95 percent of everything in life is just filler. Even so, tons of people place their focus on stuff that, in the big picture won't do spit for them. So it goes. I've learned to accept that.

    There was a time I used to jump up and down and try to help everyone through the nonsense so they could get to the beef sooner. And what I've discovered is that people need to find out for themselves what's important and what ain't.

    Still, I will take the time to point out some of my observations and experiences to certain folks. And if it's helpful, that's great. If it's not, that's okay too. One thing I know is that on a board of this size it's likely that someone, even if it's not the party originally seeking the advice, will find it useful. And that's what matters.

    I guess you're message is to the people who haven't figured that out yet. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    I rarely ask a question because usually some one else has already asked it with in several days.

    I have found few that even use the same techniques or have the same opinion as to the importance of one method or another. One question can get 50 different answers from experienced warriors, each making very good money using THEIR methods, even though they are completely different.

    Some of the posts that have been most helpful and worked best for me have been some of those 'wise-cracking' posts.

    IM (for me) is a lot of work still; due to my 'condition' it will probably always be. I have always viewed the 'wise cracking' posts as comic relief with little gems emmbedded in them. I understand some are more sensative than others. I try to take what works for me and leave the rest without passing judgment on a 'seemingly' derogatory post'.

    I occasionally get in a 'mood' and make a sarcastic post myself, even though as a noob, one wouldn't think I even had a 'right' to do so. It is easy to just scroll past a post you feel isn't helping you, fact is, it might help someone else reading. Even the ones you see as being intentionally non-helpful. This is a very diverse group of people and it is nice to be able to make a joking comment about a subject that others at least understand sometimes. (Takes the pressure off).

    An interesting take I have noticed is 'experienced' warriors alternately taken to task for either not replying to a question or replying in a way the OP doesn't think is helpful. All posts (to me) are helpful. Even ones I may 'dismiss' at 1st. Many times I remember them and the information in them, as wacky and disrespectful as it may have originally appeared have been very helpful. I geuss what I am trying to get across is don't always judge a book by it's cover. Look for the gems and let the rock stay in the mine, so to speak.

    My Take only.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      WealthyClark, there are questions and then there are questions...

      If someone is obviously asking because they don't know where to even start, most times they get a civil answer. That answer may be mixed in with wisecracks and inside jokes (which I'll grant may look rude to someone not in on the joke).

      On the other hand, there are questions that are asked purely because the poster read in an ebook somewhere that they should go to popular forums and post questions so they can flash their sig.

      One of the indicators of that kind of question is that the poster will ask the same type of question repeatedly, on a variety of topics, over a relatively short time span. It's really obvious when, as another post mentioned, there is an active thread on exactly the same question.

      The same logic can be applied to resurrecting old threads.

      We tell people to use the search function. Some of them do, and post additional comments or questions on older threads. That's perfectly legitimate, and deserves a modicum of respect.

      There are also people who resurrect old threads with nonsense comments or questions that have already been answered in the same thread. Strangely enough, those posters tend to repeat the behavior on a large number of threads in a short time - and have a product to flog in their sig.

      There are exceptions, but I've found in my time here that mostly people get what they deserve.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    I have always thought it was a bit of a 'douche' move to tell people, "use the search feature".

    How about if you're going to take the time to respond, why don't you do a quick search for them?

    If you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.

    Also, the search feature doesn't always work so well, I know I have searched for many things and had a b^tch of a time finding what I was looking for.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      WC, I don't even know where to begin in response to your OP.

      So let me just say this.

      There is never, and I mean never a reason so be rude to somebody just
      for asking a question. That is simply unprofessional and you wouldn't do it
      face to face in real life with somebody. That's the problem with the IM
      world. We're so used to sitting here, safe behind our PC screens that we
      feel we can say and do anything. I see it all the time.

      However...some questions simply can't be answered in the space of a forum
      post.

      For example:

      "What are the best ways for me to make some money online? I'm brand new."

      There is no answer to that because of all the variables involved. Each
      person has different skills, interests, experience and so on. That's why
      when I see questions like these I just throw my arms up in the air and
      move on to the next thread. I can't help these people and the truth is,
      nobody can...not really. Ultimately, what will end up happening is that
      the person ends up more confused than when they came here.

      And this is just one example.

      Each question, just like each person in this world, is an individual in itself.
      There are no blanket scenarios on how to answer all questions.

      Some are pretty straight forward.

      "How do I upgrade from WordPress 2.8.4 to 2.8.6?"

      Some are...OMG, please let's not even go there like...

      "How can I find one of those places that will send out 1 million unsolicited
      emails for you?"

      Hey, maybe the person doesn't know spam is illegal. Point is, you certainly
      don't want to give him the answer...if you even know it and would admit
      to knowing it...and you don't want to start ripping him a new one because,
      as I said, he may really not know spam is illegal.

      Then there are the opinion questions.

      "What do you think of my squeeze page?"

      You can certainly give your opinion without being nasty. If you think it's
      God awful, say why it's God awful. Give something constructive back. You
      don't have to praise the guy if it's crap but you don't have to make him
      feel like 2 cents either.

      On the other side of the coin, in defense of some of our members, sometimes
      when asked for our opinion, and we give it, the person asking then attacks
      us because they didn't want to hear what we had to say.

      This happens all the time and drives me nuts.

      Truth is, and you know this is true of so many people, many will ask an
      opinion only to hear what they want to hear.

      And then when they don't hear it...they explode.

      And then all hell breaks loose and the other members get nasty.

      In those cases, I don't blame them.

      If you don't really want to know...don't ask.

      I could keep going but I think you got my point.

      You can't blanket case all questions asked at forums. Some are simple
      to answer, some impossible, some only lend themselves to opinions, none
      of which are right or wrong, and some are just outright dangerous and
      should be avoided or at the very least, pointed out that such a thing, like
      spam, is illegal.

      But in none of these scenarios should you be rude to another person.

      If you don't want to answer the question, or point out why it can't be
      answered or why it's dangerous and only want to call the OP an idiot or
      whatever...do everybody a favor.

      Stay out of the thread because you're adding nothing of value to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

      I have always thought it was a bit of a 'douche' move to tell people, "use the search feature".

      How about if you're going to take the time to respond, why don't you do a quick search for them?

      If you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.

      Also, the search feature doesn't always work so well, I know I have searched for many things and had a b^tch of a time finding what I was looking for.

      James
      Well there are a ton of answers to this one.. some of which are:

      Why should they do the quick search for them?

      It is teaching them how to research, you need to be able to do that to survive in this game.

      If someone comes on and asks a questions and says they have tried the search facility but come up with nothing, I would be more inclined at that point to offer suggestions on other search terms, possibly give an answer to the question and possibly even go and do a little search for them at that point because they just showed me they are at least willing to do a little work.

      I am sure there are lots of other answers.

      Sue
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

        Well there are a ton of answers to this one.. some of which are:

        Why should they do the quick search for them?

        It is teaching them how to research, you need to be able to do that to survive in this game.

        If someone comes on and asks a questions and says they have tried the search facility but come up with nothing, I would be more inclined at that point to offer suggestions on other search terms, possibly give an answer to the question and possibly even go and do a little search for them at that point because they just showed me they are at least willing to do a little work.

        I am sure there are lots of other answers.

        Sue
        I knew there was a reason why I like you Sue ....

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    • Profile picture of the author TimGross
      Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

      I have always thought it was a bit of a 'douche' move to tell people, "use the search feature".
      There have been some really some excellent responses to the OP...

      One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the frustration for truly knowledgeable people on message boards who exhaustively answer a question multiple times on different threads, only to have someone ask the exact same question without lifting a finger to try to answer their own question first.

      That's where the snippy responses come from about "use the search function" or "Google it". If you haven't spent 10 minutes 4 different times answering the exact same question in 4 threads, you wouldn't understand.

      You'd think, "Geez, what's the problem with THAT guy?" ...and maybe that responder IS having a bad day, but ultimately, what's the point of trying to help someone who isn't even helping themself?

      In those situations, "use the search function, this has been answered many times before" truly is the answer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        Originally Posted by TimGross View Post

        There have been some really some excellent responses to the OP...

        One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the frustration for truly knowledgeable people on message boards who exhaustively answer a question multiple times on different threads, only to have someone ask the exact same question without lifting a finger to try to answer their own question first.

        That's where the snippy responses come from about "use the search function" or "Google it". If you haven't spent 10 minutes 4 different times answering the exact same question in 4 threads, you wouldn't understand.

        You'd think, "Geez, what's the problem with THAT guy?" ...and maybe that responder IS having a bad day, but ultimately, what's the point of trying to help someone who isn't even helping themself?

        In those situations, "use the search function, this has been answered many times before" truly is the answer.
        Something to keep in mind is that this happens with EVERY forum, not just the WF. I've browsed or participated in other forums in other niches and you see the same pattern: as there's a continued influx of newbies, you get the same questions over and over again, because newbies to any subject tend to have "newbie questions".

        And the more experienced members often get frustrated with the newbies (some of them forgetting that they were once newbies themselves and asked the same types of questions when they were first starting out).

        I think we just have to accept that as long as the WF allows new members, there's always going to be people asking "What's the best way to make money online?" and "How can I get traffic to my site?" and questions that have been answered 500 times over. You can either respectfully direct them to other threads where their questions have already been answered, or you can answer the question yourself (Just because a question has been answered a bunch of times doesn't mean that the responses in thread #501 on that topic won't provide valuable insights). Or, you can just ignore the thread altogether.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimGross
          Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully View Post

          I think we just have to accept that as long as the WF allows new members, there's always going to be people asking... questions that have been answered 500 times over. You can either respectfully direct them to other threads where their questions have already been answered, or you can answer the question yourself. Or, you can just ignore the thread altogether.
          Everything you've said is fine, but consider this:

          I think there are two types of thread responders on the WF:

          1) People who desperately want to boost their post count want their sig to be on as many threads as possible

          2) People whose main motivation is to provide help (their posts tend to be longer, more complete, and obviously more authoritative and knowledgeable on the subject)

          What is group 2's motivation to keep redirecting newbies forever to their helpful responses? They're not here to be ongoing free tech/customer support. So they ignore the thread altogether, which means the thread gets answered by less knowledgeable people who want to boost their post count.

          It's a lose-lose. Teaching someone how to use the search function is a win-win.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

      I have always thought it was a bit of a 'douche' move to tell people, "use the search feature".

      How about if you're going to take the time to respond, why don't you do a quick search for them?

      If you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.

      Also, the search feature doesn't always work so well, I know I have searched for many things and had a b^tch of a time finding what I was looking for.

      James
      I don't think Warriors are obligated in any way to do a search for them, but I always try to give the person a little more information to go on than just "use the search feature". I'll either try to suggest specific terms to search for, or if i remember some information about a specific thread, member who knows a lot about the topic, etc.

      If nothing else, I make sure to word it in a more encouraging way than just "use the search feature", so it doesn't come across so blunt. Like "Hey, there's actually a ton of threads on this topic. If you do a search on the forum for (name of topic), you should find some really good info."
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    • Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post


      Also, the search feature doesn't always work so well, I know I have searched for many things and had a b^tch of a time finding what I was looking for.

      James
      Here's a tip ... you can get faster results by entering your search phrase in Google with the word 'warrior' tagged at the end of it ... no waiting 20 seconds for the next search ...

      Andy
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      • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
        Originally Posted by creativentrepreneur View Post

        Here's a tip ... you can get faster results by entering your search phrase in Google with the word 'warrior' tagged at the end of it ... no waiting 20 seconds for the next search ...

        Andy
        Alternatively you can also use the Search Forum using Google function to search and it doesn't have the timer issue. Between that and Advanced Search I've found the answers to wealth and happiness, or at least to all of my questions...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    John,

    You know I like you and would go to the end of the earth in your defense but,
    there comes a time when a friend has to be a friend and tell you the truth.

    You post stinks! Sorry, it's true, Ditch the darn fish. How long are you going to hold
    on to it any way?

    To the OP, What was the question again?

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author John Cabral
    All I can say it that I have seen this forum change since Allen started it and its not as friendly or helpful as when I started as a warrior.

    To many have ego issues. I think we should be able to help anyone that needs help if its within your power and if not just leave it alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
    Maybe Allen could restrict the first 50 posts to a certain catagory for newbies untill they could post freely throughout the forum. Everyone could just stay out of that section of the forum and they wouldn't have to get annoyed by the "dumb questions" The thing is though, the experienced Warriors that are patient enough and ventured into this section would probably make the most money I must admit I have asked a lot of dumb questions and ended up buying products from "fellow warriors" that have helped me. I can think of 2 times this week actually. I agree with everyone here that says to use the search function first though. You can usually get some good advice and if all else fails you can ask more targeted questions if you do your research first.
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  • Profile picture of the author sande
    I am a newbie and I get scared posting here sometimes. There are people her who actually monitor and can tell you off. They are always here. However there are some very nice people I have met here. It is an open forum....
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Isn't this off topic?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Id be more inclined to give better assistance if people at least had the decency to hit the "THANKS" button occasionally.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I think you really should be asking people HOW they wish to have their questions answered.

    ...


    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author SageSound
    Is <insert hosting company> any good?

    Does anybody really make any money with ___________?

    What's the quickest way to make $_____? I need to pay my rent!

    Will Google shut down my site if I do __________?

    How can I avoid the duplicate content penalty?

    Will PayPal shut me down if I _____________?

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    Maybe we need an FAQ section where all of these silly questions can be put. They seem to come up on a weekly basis.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi sande,

      I am a newbie and I get scared posting here sometimes.
      I understand what you mean, but I think a fear-factor element has to be maintained otherwise people run riot. But over time, people should get used to things and feels more confident - which means that (ideally) the grizzled veterans can step in when someone who is newer requires assistance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by SageSound View Post

      Is <insert hosting company> any good?

      Does anybody really make any money with ___________?

      What's the quickest way to make ? I need to pay my rent!

      Will Google shut down my site if I do __________?

      How can I avoid the duplicate content penalty?

      Will PayPal shut me down if I _____________?

      -----------------------------------------------------------------

      Maybe we need an FAQ section where all of these silly questions can be put. They seem to come up on a weekly basis.
      While your questions are good, the problem is the rules change every time someone blinks as far as some of those questions go. Not to mention, different people have different experiences with these things.

      You might like said hosting company for reasons x,y,z, and I may have just found out some really dirty stuff about them.

      That FAQ section should be this:

      "Please enter your keywords and use the search function for your answers. If you still don't find your answer, feel free to post it in the forum. Alternatively, you may wish to join the War Room and search there if you are not yet a member"
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Ratliff
        Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

        That FAQ section should be this:

        "Please enter your keywords and use the search function for your answers. If you still don't find your answer, feel free to post it in the forum. Alternatively, you may wish to join the War Room and search there if you are not yet a member"
        Perhaps this style of FAQ, asking the logged in member to search first, could be the "landing page" after login? Of course, with a link to the main forum below the search form?

        I think we're on to something here, seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    This is an evergreen topic if I've ever seen one! Comes up quite often.

    One way new members can save themselves a lot of grief to do some due diligence upon joining the forum. Read. Read. Read. Get familiar with the forum. With the information in general. With the other members.

    Then, as specific questions pop up, make use of the search function before doing anything else! That does two big things. It will give new users tons of great information instantaneously. And it will help narrow down those vague 'can you help me' type questions that tend to rile some of our more prickly members.

    Honestly, the people that have the gumption to look for themselves first are the ones with the most likelihood of finding success. When questions remain even after taking some initiative, that's the time to ask politely and make it clear this is only after trying to help thyself.

    After all that, there will still be those rough-around-the-edges folks who get testy. While IMers do tend to be unique, this is a microcosm of the real world in a lot of ways.

    Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    Originally Posted by Wealthyclark View Post


    You reap what you sow, remember that!

    Mmmmm.

    Dear OP, I notice you have never thanked anyone on this forum.

    Does that mean no one has ever helped you enough or what?

    Perhaps you may find it in your heart to do it occassionally.

    Then you may get even better responses etc...

    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

      Posts: 131
      Thanks: 0
      Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts

      So, let me get this straight...

      Essentially you are criticising other
      posters for at least giving of their
      time to help others, because the
      answers given don't fit into your
      own little boxed 'acceptability'
      way of thinking.

      I'm sorry, but I don't really understand
      your point in raising this.

      Sitting there and criticising other
      posters that are taking time out of
      their own schedule to assist others,
      (expecting nothing in return), when
      said individuals actually do this...you
      think it's okay to undermine those
      helpful souls and criticise them by
      creating this thread?

      Hello. Pot. Kettle. Black - much?

      So, being a self proclaimed (obviously)
      forum god / 'guru' of sorts, full of
      professional wisdom on this subject
      - how do you propose that the helpful
      posters that are actually helping other
      posters, can help others even more so,
      from your esteemed perspective on the
      subject?

      Criticising the very people that enjoy
      helping others is well, just a bit daft
      if you ask me and is as you yourself
      state, rather rude.

      Your whole point seems to be
      completely nonsensical.

      I can't make head nor tail out of
      whatever it is, you are trying to
      convey.

      Enlighten me, pray do.


      Mark Andrews...

      Mark, I think all he's saying is don't be nasty to other members.

      At least that's what I got out of it, though I may be wrong.

      But I agree, if you can't answer the person's question and just want to
      ridicule him, why are you getting involved?

      To me, that's just being mean.

      JMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The OP may have a point, but the premise is all wrong, in my ever so humble opinion. Why? Because it pre-supposes that there is only ONE valid answer and that an "unrelated" answer doesn't have value.

    Hogwash!

    This is a public forum and people will answer how they see fit. Some are smarta$$es, some helpful, sometimes they get cranky, and on and on.

    We ALL make up the community, and giving cookie-cutter answers just isn't going to happen. In fact, if it did I wouldn't stick around.

    Besides a "wrong" answer may spur entirely different thoughts, some of which may be helpful.

    I promise this: If someone asks what the best way to make money with their newly purchased list of 100,000,000 e-mail addresses is...I WILL NOT answer THAT question. But I WILL give them the ONLY answer I can, and that is to DELETE the list. See, that doesn't answer THE question, but it IS THE answer.

    Also, you mention that people shouldn't waste time not giving answers. That they should only spend time answering questions the way YOU see fit. I would say...

    People shouldn't waste their time whining about something that isn't going to change, and shouldn't waste it telling people how to answer questions. If you have all the answers start your own forum and feel free to dictate how everyone should respond.

    All the best,
    Michael

    p.s. As for being a "long time member" or whatever. Sorry, but there's a huge difference between LURKING and INTERACTING.
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    Some questions have been asked a hundred times and replied to a hundred times.

    Seeing the same often boring question does tend to dilute the WF ambiance. Not to say that the question being asked is not legitimate or does not warrant an answer.

    The search function will usually yield many answers for the non-techy overwhelmed newbie.
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