Is george brown's google sniper not compatible with ftc anymore

crecemedia

14 years ago

Every other method.

I recommend review sites.

Fran

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1465452].message }}

Hamida Harland 14 years ago

All you have to do is write an honest review rather than making one up. I like Chris Rempel's 'report' style (conduit method) reviews because at least you're being truthful.
- Thanks
Signature

** [Custom Blog Creation - 700+ Sold!]**
Want A Niche Affiliate Blog That Makes $300 - $1500/mo? I'll Build One For You
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1465631].message }}

P.Sharma

14 years ago

be truthful. Don't claim anything that you cannot back up and you will be good.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

World's #1 Solo Ads Directory
DO NOT Buy Another Solo Without Reading These Interviews First!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1465800].message }}

John Marshall 14 years ago

Being truthful is always the bets policy.
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1465803].message }}

mohamed.hammad

Banned 14 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1465937].message }}

cdhartpence 14 years ago

Yes,

My sense of what the FTC is trying to crack down on are the people who make egregious claims that exist solely for the purpose of putting enough stardust in someone's eyes to make them whip out their credit cards.

You've seen this stuff before when you've surfed, if you've spent any time at all looking at various IM products. It'll be the bolded, often in red (and frequently near the picture of the McMansion or the $100k vehicle so there's no mistaking the association), and almost invariably end in an exclamation point. Textually, you're looking at stuff that has a look and feel of something like the below:

"Make six figures in only two minutes a day!"

"A system so simple, even your dead cat could do it!"

"By this time tomorrow, your income will be on par with the GDP's of most third world countries!"

And the like.

The other biggie would be "testimonials" written to seduce the reader into accepting these results as "the norm," which is why the FTC has worded their position like it has.

Stay away from stuff like that, be honest in your presentation, and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

-=Vel=-
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1465953].message }}

Shana_Adam

14 years ago

I guess in that case it will be key to put up genuine looking pictures as well.

If it looks fishy it will smell fishy.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1481556].message }}

RMC 14 years ago

Sheise....I'll have to take down my "how I got pregnant" site or else add a HER in there somewhere.

Seriously though folks...no more making fake reviews is that such a bad thing? Were you really hammering on fake stuff anyway?

Do a little legwork, get some real people involved and get real testimonials and experiences for your sites.
- Thanks
- 1 reply
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1481804].message }}
- David Rosa 14 years ago
  
  i'm up for it, so are pen names still in the picture?
  
  Thanks
  
  Signature
  Selling your Expertise & Knowledge... Here's a better way
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1481816].message }}

kath_ph

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Shana_Adam

I guess in that case it will be key to put up genuine looking pictures as well.

If it looks fishy it will smell fishy.

Of course not. If you're living outside US then there is absolutely no problem. Isn't it?

I love the fishy smell though

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1713603].message }}

Elle Holder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kath_ph

Of course not. If you're living outside US then there is absolutely no problem. Isn't it?

Originally Posted by Diver Doug

Besides, what sort of jurisdiction does the FTC have outside the US?

How many time does this have to be said? As soon as your site is made available to an American, as soon as an American buys your product, and as soon as an American company pays you commission, the FTC has jurisdiction over you.

So, unless you are blocking US IPs from visiting your sites, you'd better abide by FTC rules.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1713845].message }}

seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ElleJ

How many time does this have to be said? As soon as your site is made available to an American, as soon as an American buys your product, and as soon as an American company pays you commission, the FTC has jurisdiction over you.

So, unless you are blocking US IPs from visiting your sites, you'd better abide by FTC rules.

Originally Posted by David McKee

I doubt highly that the FTC has any jurisdiction over a citizen of the Sovereign country of Australia unless Australia has agreed to extradition for violation of FTC rules. I suspect that you would be completely safe unless you become a nuisance to Australian officials as well. What, are they going to do?... send an American police officer to the outback to go get you?

-DTM

The thing is that the FTC has NOT made this illegal! It was ****ALWAYS**** illegal. Heck, the FTC was created PRECISELY for this! It is in their MISSION STATEMENT!

And FRANKLY, I bet ANY decent country has the SAME laws, you can bet Australia, The EU, etc... do. OK, so the office is probably not called the FTC, but you DO have similar offices!

AND, the FTC does NOT care what you say! They do NOT care WHO says what! They care WHAT the American public may hear/see/perceive that could cause them to be cheated.

SO, if you are on the mountaintops in australia yelling it out so the whole country can hear, THEY DON'T CARE! If you put it on a website, THEY DON'T CARE! If an american may be unjustly enticed to buying it based on an australian website showing your page, THEY CARE! We live in an age where it all comes down to ONE wire, name, etc...

Australia PROBABLY has similar laws, and may convict you BUT, if they don't, the FTC could EASILY shut down your access to the US, and possibly disable your domain name, FOR STARTERS! They could ALSO get paypal, clickbank, amazon, etc.... to stop sending money your way. There is a LOT they can do without knowing who you are, where you are, or having ANY jurisdiction over you.

Oh yeah, if your ISP is threatened with a loss of access to the US, do you think they will want your site there? Probably not.

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714409].message }}

Bill Corners

14 years ago

If you don't have your own story to tell, tell someone else's as long as it's true, search forums or yahoo answers for someone with experience with the product you're trying to sell.

Thanks

Signature

The Easy Way to Create High Converting Sales Funnels...
http://ClickBankPros.com

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1481801].message }}

Paul Guilfoyle

14 years ago

I'm not legal counsel but I don't see why you can't use a pen name within reason as long as your not pretending to be say a doctor and/or making a false endorsement. Why not disclose the fact that you use pen names in your about me page? I think honesty is going to prove the best policy.
There still seems to be huge confusion about the FTC policy.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

Easiest, fastest way I know, and working for countless others to create an online income.
Click Here to Watch Free Video and start learning how to really profit from the internet

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1503342].message }}

minted1

14 years ago

i would have to agree with most of the other reply's to this post by that i mean just make your own (story) or experience of what you are selling and how you benifited from it. or i think you may get away with putting a link in your sales page saying
"to read testamonials click here" and then directing them to another page on your site that contains any testamonials that you may have !

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1510473].message }}

WD Mino

14 years ago

Whether it has to do with Gs or any other product Never Ever Lie! do not use fake testimonials do not make up stories do not in any way shape or form use deception to line your pocketbook common sense man
-WD

Thanks

Signature

"As a man thinks in his heart so is he-Proverbs 23:7"

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1713660].message }}

Diver Doug

14 years ago

I don't think it really matters if it's a little bit of a lie. Besides, you may be giving someone some hope (ie if the weightloss product is any good). You could just be making a fictional character anyway. Besides, what sort of jurisdiction does the FTC have outside the US?

I agree that it should be clamping down on the BS sites that say "Make a gazillion billion dollars a day for doing 2 seconds worth of work".

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1713721].message }}

WD Mino

14 years ago

Hmmm well 2 things Diver,
thanks for letting us know you think little lies are ok a lie is a lie so that is nice to know about you

second being in Australia I would have thought you would have known the FTC Arrested an Australian.
the FTC extends far beyond the US
-WD

Thanks

Signature

"As a man thinks in his heart so is he-Proverbs 23:7"

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1713737].message }}

David McKee

14 years ago

I doubt highly that the FTC has any jurisdiction over a citizen of the Sovereign country of Australia unless Australia has agreed to extradition for violation of FTC rules. I suspect that you would be completely safe unless you become a nuisance to Australian officials as well. What, are they going to do?... send an American police officer to the outback to go get you?

-DTM

Thanks

Signature

Are you an affiliate marketer? My site has tons of free stuff and 14,000 pages of Clickbank research. www.affiliatesledgehammer.com
Buy a Freedom Bulb! Don't let the government tell you what kind of light bulb you can use!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1713952].message }}

PSM

14 years ago

Some of you guys obviously haven't listened to the interview Jim Edwards did with someone who actually works for the FTC have you?

I think the gist is that yes they can't really prosecute you if you aren't in the US unless your government agree or have a prior agreement etc, however the FTC person made a very good point, they do have jurisdiction over anything on American soil, so if you host your sites with an American hosting company then kiss goodbye to that, if you are an affiliate with networks that are in the US (which most are), they will contact them and get you booted out and your funds withheld - they have the power to seriously affect your business so don't think you can avoid the rules just because you are not in the US.

And stop trying to avoid them anyway, just be honest and use honest business practices, stop trying to find ways around the rules! I sleep a lot better at night knowing I use methods which are (I hope) within the guidelines, it takes extra effort and time, but it is well worth it.

Here is the interview:

FTC (Federal Trade Commission) Clarifies New Internet Marketing, Blogging & Affiliate Advertising Guidelines With Jim Edwards |

This is not legal advice, please seek competent legal advice before following any information in this post blah blah blah.

end rant

Thanks

Signature

Live in the UK? Click here to grab my copy of Clayton Makepeace's Ultimate Desktop Copy Coach

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714222].message }}

David McKee

14 years ago

I don't doubt there is a lot they could do to your business... but that was not the point of the post - they do not have jurisdiction over your person.

I won't go into it any further - my position is that the FTC is just another bureaucratic impediment to liberty, another unnecessary government intrusion into our lives, and another money squandering governmental pit designed to employ thousands of individuals who could not otherwise get a job or start a business.

Caveat Emptor! Laissez-nous faire!

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Are you an affiliate marketer? My site has tons of free stuff and 14,000 pages of Clickbank research. www.affiliatesledgehammer.com
Buy a Freedom Bulb! Don't let the government tell you what kind of light bulb you can use!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714542].message }}

seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by David McKee

I don't doubt there is a lot they could do to your business... but that was not the point of the post - they do not have jurisdiction over your person.

I won't go into it any further - my position is that the FTC is just another bureaucratic impediment to liberty, another unnecessary government intrusion into our lives, and another money squandering governmental pit designed to employ thousands of individuals who could not otherwise get a job or start a business.

Caveat Emptor! Laissez-nous faire!

Well, letting someone have liberty ONLY so they can unjustly take another's is just DUMB! I admit the FTC often doesn't do its job, sometimes goes overboard, and spends WAY too much, but it has a reasonable and just purpose.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714731].message }}

David McKee

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, letting someone have liberty ONLY so they can unjustly take another's is just DUMB! I admit the FTC often doesn't do its job, sometimes goes overboard, and spends WAY too much, but it has a reasonable and just purpose.
Steve

I agree completely. We have endless laws on the books against theft and for the protection of property - property rights are even guaranteed in the Constitution of the land. Misrepresentation for the specific purpose of stealing is a crime and should be prosecuted.

But adding endless layers of buracracy and regulation is not a workable way to do that... and, as in all socialism, has failed every time it has been tried.
-DTM

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Are you an affiliate marketer? My site has tons of free stuff and 14,000 pages of Clickbank research. www.affiliatesledgehammer.com
Buy a Freedom Bulb! Don't let the government tell you what kind of light bulb you can use!

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714771].message }}

fantasticjackson 14 years ago

What about older clickbank products with testimonials? There is one I want to try to promote that has testimonials (not internet marketing related). No "average results" written on the page.

Has clickbank cleaned up products that may be deemed illegal, so that I may promote it?
- Thanks
Signature

When you get tired of useless WSO's, CurationBlogger.com
Including money making methods, tips, and free tools.
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1797698].message }}

Joshua Summers

14 years ago

Why try to work around enforcement of something that you should be using as a best practice in the first place? Let's be honest, it's a lot easier (and more effective) to write a story or a review about a topic or product that you know and have personal experience with than it is to make stuff up anyway. If you have any ethical or moral values FTC regulations should be the last thing you are worried about.

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714653].message }}

Link Money

14 years ago

What me worry? Just tell the truth about your products. So your sales are down, your commissions are smaller. Work fair and honest and sleep well at night.

Thanks

Signature

"When I get a little money I buy links; and if any is left I buy food and clothes."
(Desiderius Erasmus)
Rich Hill at Link Money dot org
We Blog for You at 3rd Party Blog

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714672].message }}

russblanc

14 years ago

review sites are fine, just dont make unbelievable claims that arent true and get honest reviews...

Thanks

Signature

Affordable Bluehost Web Hosting | Affordable Hostgator Web Hosting

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714709].message }}

Link Money

14 years ago

What me worry? Just tell the truth about your products. So your sales are down, your commissions are smaller. Work fair and honest and sleep well at night.

Thanks

Signature

"When I get a little money I buy links; and if any is left I buy food and clothes."
(Desiderius Erasmus)
Rich Hill at Link Money dot org
We Blog for You at 3rd Party Blog

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[1714735].message }}

Is george brown's google sniper not compatible with ftc anymore

Trending Topics

How did you turn it all around?

Any thoughts on golf's latest phenom...Scottie Scheffler??

Infographic: How B2B marketers on LinkedIn can maximise their efforts for better audience reach

What's the Best IM-Related Skill to Learn Today That Can Help in the Future?

Some interesting stats about brand comms