Google finally sues the G. Money scammers...

Isn't Google Cash really just how to use Google Adwords?

How can that possibly be a scam unless there are tactics in the product that
are against Google's TOS?

I don't know as I don't have the product, but that's what I heard that it's
just another Adwords book.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

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MisterMunch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Isn't Google Cash really just how to use Google Adwords?

How can that possibly be a scam unless there are tactics in the product that
are against Google's TOS?

I don't know as I don't have the product, but that's what I heard that it's
just another Adwords book.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

To my awareness you are pretty correct here.

Google Cash (no. 1) was the first book that thought the combination of AdWords and Affiliate Programs. It is a legendary book in the IM field. This is now harder, but Google Cash has evolved to meet the changes in Google.

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psresearch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Isn't Google Cash really just how to use Google Adwords?

How can that possibly be a scam unless there are tactics in the product that
are against Google's TOS?

I don't know as I don't have the product, but that's what I heard that it's
just another Adwords book.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

Steven, my site ranks #2 (behind Google) for the original Google Cash so I get a lot of confused people coming through.

ExRat is correct. They are talking about DIFFERENT products that sometimes use "Google Cash" in their name such as:

Make Google Cash
Fast Google Cash
Easy Google Cash
etc.

...completely different than the original Google Cash by Chris Carpenter.

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Zach Booker

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Isn't Google Cash really just how to use Google Adwords?

How can that possibly be a scam unless there are tactics in the product that
are against Google's TOS?

I don't know as I don't have the product, but that's what I heard that it's
just another Adwords book.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

Steven, just wanted to clarify a few things as others seem to not completely understand what this lawsuit is all about.

No Clickbank products are being affected here - just CPA, cost per action, offers. I am very involved in CPA and thus all the drama that has recently been happening I've kept a very watchful eye on.

In this particular lawsuit Google is going after products that use Google's name to gain brand recognition. This is something that quite a lot of products do - and Google doesn't really care. But with unethical CPA offers that re-bill the consumer without their direct consent and make it very difficult to cancel it hurts Google's brand - most people actually end up complaining to Google because they think Google made some of these products.

Where as with Clickbank products you know their by Zach Booker and not Google. Google doesn't really care - especially if they don't hear any complaints.

...For most people, including myself, you're left wondering what took them so long? Because these have been around for awhile and have clearly used a trademarked name. Google has actually been planning these lawsuits for awhile but as with previous settlements the fines are often what each company makes per day. (Usually under 500k.)

All in all it wouldn't really matter. A few offers get sued - nothing unusual. But what IS unusual is that their are 50 "John Doe" names that are also in this lawsuit.

These John Doe names are of course fake names because the whois protects the true identity. These John Doe's are affiliates with maybe flogs or fnews' that clearly use Google in their domain name.

Okay, cool, right? They use Google in their domain and promise wind falls of cash pimpin' these not so hot products - no big deal, right? Their probably doing, just like the advertisers, such huge volume it'll be like a slap on the wrist.

But some of the websites getting dragged into this aren't your normal high traffic flog/fnews - although most are. Some are simply affiliate websites promoting Google cash, or even Google Sniper or whatever that's called.

Some websites barely get any traffic - but are being dragged into this lawsuit. These websites probably make very few sales, have very few pissed off costumers, and are all around legit sites. They just so happen to have "Google" in their url.

...I'm not sure what will happen to these sites, but some poor guy is going to be in for a rude awakening when his site that MAYBE makes him 4 figures a month gets slapped with a 5-6 figure lawsuit.

Overall Google, I'm glad to see, isn't playing God or trying to be the FTC. They, just like Oprah, are going after those directly hurting the brand that is Google. Those that use Google in their domain name, or actively promote these bizops by insinuating they are run by Google will be effected. (Although only .005% will be.)

The bottom line for affiliates out there is that every now and than little guys get drawn into this stuff. Don't use trademarked terms in your domain like Oprah, Dr.Oz, Google, Bing, etc or else something like this could effect you.

Hopefully this clears up a few things about the lawsuit and it's direct impact on affiliates, advertisers, and the CPA game.

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MisterMunch

14 years ago

Google Cash is pretty legit as I see it. If you have a business has grown into an institution you can expect a few books to mention your name in the title.

The others I have not read

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi Steven,

It's a different Google Cash I believe - similar to the others - using media buy traffic and rebill CPA.

The point is - just as we have witnessed what happens to tons of (allegedly) legitimate adwords users when the big whack-a-mole club of Google strikes -

Even as we're taking legal action to try to cut these sites off at the source, we're still working constantly to remove scammy URLs from our index, and we'll permanently disable AdWords accounts that provide a poor or harmful user experience, whether or not they use Google's trademarks illegally.

(from the Google blog post)

I would guess that certain products that have nothing to do with this, but have Google in the name of their products are going to get hammered too.

Some of the best selling of recent CB products have all used Google in their brand.

Hi Scott,

I think the implication here are companies that claim to be associated with Google...

But I think that's just something that happens to have been commonplace in these scams. Of course, that is more likely to make Google spring into action.

But at the core, they (and the FTC) are trying to halt the rise of the BS product, sold on a hidden rebill, where they are difficult (or impossible) to stop the rebill without cancelling your credit card.

One of the problems is that they are so profitable that they catch on like wildfire and are all over the place in no time, (not least because of webmasters' desire to sell highly profitable banner space) but with each 'generation' of new promoter, they each add a little more cunning, craftiness and illegality into the mix - therefore in no time at all, each market that is hit rapidly descends into a free for all, with no regard for decency or ethics. And from a distance, the internet just ends up looking nasty to the 'once bitten' consumer.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MisterMunch

Google Cash is pretty legit as I see it. If you have a business has grown into an institution you can expect a few books to mention your name in the title.

The others I have not read

And if you do mention a trademark in your title or domain, you can expect the trademark owner to take it from you at the least or to sue the pants off of you at the most.

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Scott Murdaugh

14 years ago

I think the implication here are companies that claim to be associated with Google...

They're advertised as "Google pays you to work from home". A lot of them are also "free" trial into hidden re-bill type of offers.

-Scott

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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

It seems that besides the legit "Google Cash" book (by C. Carpenter, I think...) there are several scam programs named the same.

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Si_P 14 years ago

What about the likes of;

Google Ambush
Google Cash Sniper
Google Massacre
Google Nemisis

etc, etc, etc??? Will they be involved in this?
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Andy Money

14 years ago

This is going to be really interesting.

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Robyn8243

14 years ago

It looks like they are going after the scammy rebills. While many of us are familiar with the Google Cash product in clickbank, many of those rebill products that imply in the headlines that you can make money "working" for Google (with the disclaimer that they are not related to Google in small font at the bottom or in terms and conditions that they count on nobody reading) use some variation of Google Cash in their names.

I am surprised Google has not taken action earlier. I would imagine that consumers are complaining to them, even after they realize there is no connection with the product they bought.

A lot of consumers are under the impression that the government and big companies have a lot more control than they actually possess.

When they see these types of programs all over the place, they wrongly assume that it must be legitimate, because they wrongly believe that if it were illegal or a scam, either the government or Google (or any other companies mentioned in the copy) would stop them. I would imagine that many consumers would especially believe that Google could prevent these types of websites from appearing in their search results.

IMHO, the FTC probably would have made a much greater impact against fraudulent/deceptive practices, by spending time and money educating consumers about
the facts of online life, instead of coming up with a bunch of guidelines than no deceptive marketers will ever care about.

Robyn

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Andy Money

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Robyn8243

It looks like they are going after the scammy rebills. While many of us are familiar with the Google Cash product in clickbank, many of those rebill products that imply in the headlines that you can make money "working" for Google (with the disclaimer that they are not related to Google in small font at the bottom or in terms and conditions that they count on nobody reading) use some variation of Google Cash in their names.

I am surprised Google has not taken action earlier. I would imagine that consumers are complaining to them, even after they realize there is no connection with the product they bought.

A lot of consumers are under the impression that the government and big companies have a lot more control than they actually possess.

When they see these types of programs all over the place, they wrongly assume that it must be legitimate, because they wrongly believe that if it were illegal or a scam, either the government or Google (or any other companies mentioned in the copy) would stop them. I would imagine that many consumers would especially believe that Google could prevent these types of websites from appearing in their search results.

IMHO, the FTC probably would have made a much greater impact against fraudulent/deceptive practices, by spending time and money educating consumers about
the facts of online life, instead of coming up with a bunch of guidelines than no deceptive marketers will ever care about.

Robyn

They would also believe it's real just based off the scammy landing pages that look like news articles or blogs...

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Scott Ames

14 years ago

They are suing because of the use of the name "Google"... The implication that the products are scams comes from the reporter and perhaps Google's pr person.

Google sues over scams using its name: bizjournals.com Business News - MSN Money

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Funny this thread shows up just now. No kidding I was looking over Wendy Stevens - Reverse Google Marketing about an hour ago and wondering how on earth she got away with having "Google" in her domain name.

A friend of mine was using www.googleme.com.au and received a take down letter.

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Tom Goodwin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

A friend of mine was using www.googleme.com.au and received a take down letter.

Wow, google decided to actually just ask for the takedown first without just starting a lawsuit of the blue. With all of the folks buzzing around in that domain name vs trademark thread last month you would have thought the owner of that site would just have their pants sued off out of the blue:rolleyes:
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Jesus Perez

14 years ago

I TOLD YOU SO

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John Romaine 14 years ago

Originally Posted by BlueSquares

I TOLD YOU SO

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oogle-com.html

Theyre going to get into 4 times as much trouble
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Shana_Adam

14 years ago

Google is a trademark. Im sure you are not allowed to used trademarked names to mislead people.

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Online Bliss

14 years ago

What's next Ebay and Amazon lawsuits?
I know the how to books should not be an issue but
the company name is used just as much as Google's.

The author of "Selling on the River" was smart
he didn't title his book Amazon Profits.

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thejjones

14 years ago

With all the scams falling to their knees, that will open up the doors for more honest internet marketers like the ones on this forum. Thanks to everybody here for all the help and information regarding this topic

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bha

14 years ago

I wonder if the Google Cash (see below) is the same as what is being sold on ClickBank?

Names to be wary of: Google Adwork, Google ATM, Google Biz Kit, Google Cash, Earn Google Cash Kit, Google Fortune, Google Marketing Kit, Google Profits, The Home Business Kit for Google, Google StartUp Kit, and Google Works.

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ecoverartist

14 years ago

Re: Selling on the River. I did his ebook cover, and I specifically remember him telling me that eBay would delete posts that mentioned Amazon since many sellers were flocking to them after eBay changed its policies. So to get around that, the sellers started calling it "The River"

Pretty clever, I thought!

It will be interesting to see how this plays out... Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows you can't use any trademarked name in your URL. If you do, you're playing with fire.

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yourreviewer 14 years ago

Honestly, how did these idiots think that they can get away from this? It is hardly surprising.
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  Guess the best way to ESCAPE from any lawsuits from GOOGLE is by STOP using it's name in our product.
  
  It'e better to be late than never!!
  
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Frank Bruno

14 years ago

First and foremost I'm sure that they are going after them because they are using Googles' name in their product or domain names as well as people may misinterpret that the programs are Google approved or come from Google which can cause confusion.

Basically trademark and infringment rights.

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SquidBoy 14 years ago

This is great news, however I'm wondering if sites like ClickBank will start being more careful in what products it promotes which trademarked names.

Could Google possibly go after these companies for hosting such content in the first place?
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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

I guess I should change the name of my "Google Pimp Money Maker" system eh?

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pcpupil

14 years ago

Just recieved an email from C carpenter yesterday about this.He is giving away googlecash for free.I just recieved the first chaptor.Now we will see if i get anymore.
There are 250,000 complaints against google cash schemes.
Some of these people[the scammers],are trying to say it all originated with c. carpenters ebook or system.
So hes giving his system away for free to prove hes the good guy.
At least this is what he wrote in my email,plus he had a short video explaining this.
If you search google or youtube the info might be there.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by pcpupil

Just recieved an email from C carpenter yesterday about this.He is giving away googlecash for free.I just recieved the first chaptor.Now we will see if i get anymore.
There are 250,000 complaints against google cash schemes.
Some of these people[the scammers],are trying to say it all originated with c. carpenters ebook or system.
So hes giving his system away for free to prove hes the good guy.
At least this is what he wrote in my email,plus he had a short video explaining this.
If you search google or youtube the info might be there.

He's in no way involved in this. He wishes his course made what these guys made, lol.

...If he is trying to spin it like he's getting dragged into this than it's purely from a marketing standpoint and he's trying to play the good guy card. (Witch he has every right to - I'm sure his course is great!)

But he's in no way accused of anything so I'd think that's more of a publicity stunt.

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psresearch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zach Booker

He's in no way involved in this. He wishes his course made what these guys made, lol.

...If he is trying to spin it like he's getting dragged into this than it's purely from a marketing standpoint and he's trying to play the good guy card. (Witch he has every right to - I'm sure his course is great!)

But he's in no way accused of anything so I'd think that's more of a publicity stunt.

Well, you know. He deserves to get some good publicity out of this finally. It stinks that so many people lumped his product in with all the othrers.

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Shlomi Khutoretsky

14 years ago

We should sue Google for abusing us with their behavior to ppc marketers, banning and all that s***.

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thomashoi

14 years ago

scammers built their fortune on sand, when the storm comes, they are going to collapse.

1 point for Google for fighting the scammers!

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psresearch 14 years ago

Originally Posted by thomashoi

scammers built their fortune on sand, when the storm comes, they are going to collapse.

1 point for Google for fighting the scammers!

- 99 points for Google for taking so long.
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yourreviewer

14 years ago

Have a question. Even for the legit products, can't they get into trouble because they have a trademarked name in their domain name and product title? I think using the Big G is always risky even if you are ethical/legit.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by yourreviewer

Have a question. Even for the legit products, can't they get into trouble because they have a trademarked name in their domain name and product title? I think using the Big G is always risky even if you are ethical/legit.

As some said, yes. It just depends if Google decides to go after them.

For those who mentioned Google Cash: it looks like its owner is aware of this.
The domain name's redirecting to Google.

He'll probably drop it unless Google maybe gives him consent to use the name.
Seriously doubt it, though.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by davezan

As some said, yes. It just depends if Google decides to go after them.

For those who mentioned Google Cash: it looks like its owner is aware of this.
The domain name's redirecting to Google.

He'll probably drop it unless Google maybe gives him consent to use the name.
Seriously doubt it, though.

Yeh, Chris Carpenter has been redirecting the Google Cash domain for years now. Originally he redirected it to AffiliateJackpot - and now it's being redirected to gcworkathomesystem - a sales page which uses one of my testimonials without my permission, btw. But hey, I bet I'm getting extra traffic from that. LOL.

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psresearch 14 years ago

Just in case you missed it - Google forgot to disable Pacific WebWorks account - at least the last time I checked tonight that was true.

I did a search on "Pacific WebWorks" and their adwords ad is still running. LOL!

I guess the guy who was selling pneumatic seals who forgot to put a good enough privacy policy on his site is out of luck (got his Adwords account disabled)...

But the company that Google alleges is costing them "incalculable financial damge" is "okey-dokey" to run ads on Adwords.
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John A Goodwin

14 years ago

That's good news, because there are too many scamers who use popular brands to trick people.

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WinsonYeung

14 years ago

How about Google Sniper? Is that illegal as well?

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Laura B

14 years ago

I was so happy when I heard this news. I hate those scam-scum ads and the way the deceitful marketers try to pass them off as news in a blatant attempt to legitimize their scam. Of course, they'll always find another way to express their scumminess.

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HeySal

14 years ago

So I'm hearing about all these great work at home jobs of google's and I go to their employment section and can't find anything about any jobs other than a few tech positions out at their new site in The Dalles, OR. But later I saw an ad about 87 bucks an hour working on google. So I click it to check it out.

Now the ad blatantly states that you get 87 bucks an hour. The ad is also worded so that I can easily be confused that I am working for google itself. Now the domain name also says google, so the average person has more right for confusion about this being an authentic google program. I look and find out that for the price of shipping I can get the program free. Continuing to explore, I find that this is actually only a two week trial. Way down on another page of terms I find that the price is something like 70 or 80 a month to continue with the program after the free trial - to be automatically billed. This revelation comes after enough extremely dry and formally written literature just chocked full of sinous prepositional phrases and legal jargon that continues to make the program sound like a product of google itself that even being enthralled in the task of figuring out what's going on that I am almost in a coma by this point.

Of course, I already know this is just persuasional BS because my reading glasses were parked on handily on my head and I was able to pick out the fact that they aren't, in fact, part of google by putting on my glasses and reading through the disclaimer stuffed into a lot of other idiotic gerbish aimed at hiding discliamers in small print at the bottom of the site.

I still don't have any clue how the program works as hard as I looked for that info though -- and I'm not curious enough to find out what the bottom line of that scam is that I'm going to pay for shipping the thing and risk the "accidental" recurring billing if they don't cut me off when I holler for them to stop.

Nuff said. I don't feel sorry for anyone, owner, affiliate, or otherwise that is dealing this program like a damned drug to the public.

I hope they all get their pants sued off of them and can understand now the answer to my original question "whoah, why isn't google suing them into eternity?". They were waiting for FTC regulations to come into effect - because EACH violation is $11,000 bucks. Per violation - that's a big hello to a company with thousands of copycat websites. That's on top of trademark infringement - and it's also a big hello to affiliates who think they can do whatever the hell they please because it's really not their program after all.

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True, some affiliates are just ignorance reincarnate but it is half past high time for people to get their head's out of their butts and realize that if they are going to run a business - either their own or as an affiliate, they need to get some ethics and back them up with some business sharps. Most of the spam I recieve is not from business owners - it's from their affiliates who can't see anything but getting green in their pockets right away and they are willing to eat their own young to get it. Take this lack of ethics and mix it with absolutely no sense of business reality can end up really taking its toll on a business owner who can get sued for unethical actions of their affilaites. Just like in a real store - your employees cheat and lie and it's the OWNER'S responsibility.

I for one am sick of seeing people willing to do any disgusting thing they can think of to others for the sake of making a buck.

I hope that Google brings every one of these little blood thirsty scammers to their knees and makes enough noise doing it to strike the fear of god into every scammer in cyberspace for a long damn time.
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321sitemonitor.com

14 years ago

This is really good to hear. I have seen many places where people are worried and even contact Google through their blog or other way to find out whether that product belong to Google or not.

Great to sue those ****s!!!

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kevinfar

14 years ago

This is great news. Should have been done some time ago in my opinion because these are the things which give internet marketing a bad name.

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pavionjsl

14 years ago

If you use googles name..........it will be an issue. I do not think many are giving this FTC issue enough respect. They are still using the same methods in their ads and email. IM marketing is going to change and maybe it is time as said above for the future of IM marketing. Google in your name will sooner or later be a problem, it is time to rebrand your product.