You Might Not Need A Mentor

by Zeus66
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I'm seeing more and more threads by people wanting mentors. I'm not here to complain about that, and I've even suggested it to a few who have approached me for advice. I'm not into mentoring myself, but I do have some advice for those who are searching:

You might not need a mentor.

I think the impulse to look for help from someone who has "made it" is wise. But channel that thinking into doing some research. This forum is the best resource I've ever seen in over 13 years in online marketing for finding good business models to imitate.

And that's really what I'm driving at here: imitation and improvement. Don't try to re-invent the wheel. Trust me, it's been invented many times over in this niche. Think like the Japanese. After WWII, when they were obviously in shambles, they built things literally from the ground up by taking what worked in the West (mostly the U.S.) and perfecting different aspects of it. They imitated, then improved.

Within 3 decades they had one of the largest and most productive economies on Earth. It won't take you that long.

But you may not need an actual mentor. You might just need to spend some time researching to see what is working for a lot of people. Look for reports of success that form patterns. The cream will rise to the top in terms of business models. A few lightbulbs will go off in your head. Pick one and dig in. Imitate. Look for ways to improve it as you get some experience. Find ways to stamp it with your own personality and tweaks.

I say, do that first. If you still come up empty, THEN go look for a mentor. Again, I think your impulse to seek out help is admirable and smart. I just don't think you necessarily need to limit that to being mentored. It can be expensive and it might not really do anything more for you than what you can do on your own.

John
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Oh, definitely. First, see if you can copy what someone did as a "proof of concept". Then go further with it. Often it is easier than you think. The hard part is figuring out who the successful people are and what they are doing. If you know all this, you can often get somewhere a lot faster. Obviously, you can't copy people's designs, but you can certainly work with concepts, and make them your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
    I think mentoring is CRITICAL. But I think
    most people are stuck in the stone age.

    They think mentoring is having someone right
    in front of you telling you how to do something.

    With the information age and the internet you don't have to even know
    your mentor.

    I mean lets say you want John reese to be your mentor and you
    live in Japan.

    Well he has numerous courses you can purchase where he shares
    his processes with you.

    That's the key. Find a model/mentor and stick with them. Which
    means buy their products, go their seminars (if possible), get their
    newsletters, etc...

    The worse advice I believe is to tell someone to just copy
    what others are doing without getting courses etc... If have
    to understand the REASON WHY certain methods work not just
    HOW to do them.

    Daniel
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor View Post

      I think mentoring is CRITICAL. But I think
      most people are stuck in the stone age.

      They think mentoring is having someone right
      in front of you telling you how to do something.

      With the information age and the internet you don't have to even know
      your mentor.

      I mean lets say you want John reese to be your mentor and you
      live in Japan.

      Well he has numerous courses you can purchase where he shares
      his processes with you.

      That's the key. Find a model/mentor and stick with them. Which
      means buy their products, go their seminars (if possible), get their
      newsletters, etc...

      The worse advice I believe is to tell someone to just copy
      what others are doing without getting courses etc... If have
      to understand the REASON WHY certain methods work not just
      HOW to do them.

      Daniel
      I agree 100%

      Its my pet peeve when i see people telling other people you can get everything for free in forums and google.

      Theres one huge thing you cant get from an ebook or google or a forum post, and that's the ability to anyalyse what your doing and why.

      Only a mentor can give you that...

      Following a set of instructions no matter how complete they are can never and will never give you the complete picture... You have to know why you do it that way, and have the ability to see where to apply it and why.

      Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Leatherman
    In my opinion, (If i'm able to have one yet) : ), since I am a newbie and all. It has been very important to have that person there to lead me through things that I have never seen or even heard of.

    I have only been doing this for about 4 months, and from what I hear from my dad and Big Mike,I am ahead of the game for somebody that just started. If that is the case ,then its because of my dad and Big Mike. dad is old geezer BTW aka ken Leatherman. So I would adivse someone to get a mentor if they are going into this blind. Just an opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
      Originally Posted by Brian Leatherman View Post

      In my opinion, (If i'm able to have one yet) : ), since I am a newbie and all. It has been very important to have that person there to lead me through things that I have never seen or even heard of.

      I have only been doing this for about 4 months, and from what I hear from my dad and Big Mike,I am ahead of the game for somebody that just started. If that is the case ,then its because of my dad and Big Mike. dad is old geezer BTW aka ken Leatherman. So I would adivse someone to get a mentor if they are going into this blind. Just an opinion
      Welcome to you and I just want to say you have a great attitude.

      Keep cranking and learning...feel free to add me to your list if you ever need help!

      I love working with people who have a great attitude!

      Best Wishes,

      Brad
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by Brian Leatherman View Post

      In my opinion, (If i'm able to have one yet) : ), since I am a newbie and all. It has been very important to have that person there to lead me through things that I have never seen or even heard of.

      I have only been doing this for about 4 months, and from what I hear from my dad and Big Mike,I am ahead of the game for somebody that just started. If that is the case ,then its because of my dad and Big Mike. dad is old geezer BTW aka ken Leatherman. So I would adivse someone to get a mentor if they are going into this blind. Just an opinion
      Oh man, that's not fair to have Big Mike and your dad to mentor you. That's like being born to J. Paul Getty or a Rockefeller. You better use your connections, son! Your name best be a household name in a few years or Big Mike'll knock some Greek sense into ya. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Brian,
    Words of wisdom tend to come from wise people.
    In your case, It seems you have chosen two very good people to take advise from.
    It's good to see another Leatherman here on the forum.

    Welcome to the Warrior Forum!

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
    Originally Posted by Brian Leatherman View Post

    In my opinion, (If i'm able to have one yet) : ), since I am a newbie and all. It has been very important to have that person there to lead me through things that I have never seen or even heard of.

    I have only been doing this for about 4 months, and from what I hear from my dad and Big Mike,I am ahead of the game for somebody that just started. If that is the case ,then its because of my dad and Big Mike. dad is old geezer BTW aka ken Leatherman. So I would adivse someone to get a mentor if they are going into this blind. Just an opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Leatherman
      Thanks for the kind words; I am here to learn as much as I can from those who have been there done that and doing it again.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Johnno, you know I think highly of you dude, but I strongly disagree on this one. Mentoring is vital if you have any ambitions of being successful.

    I heard this once at a seminar...

    "If I ran across a mindfield and made it safely to the other side, wouldnt you want to know EXACTLY where I stepped..??"
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Johnno, you know I think highly of you dude, but I strongly disagree on this one. Mentoring is vital if you have any ambitions of being successful.

      I heard this once at a seminar...

      "If I ran across a mindfield and made it safely to the other side, wouldnt you want to know EXACTLY where I stepped..??"

      I could just google "steps to get across a minefield safely" and get the info free if you listen to people on forums
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      • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
        Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

        I could just google "steps to get across a minefield safely" and get the info free if you listen to people on forums
        True, but they'd all be arguing about how to get there the "right" way. LOL :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Stigson
    Even the best in this field have mentors. No matter how good or bad, they have somebody who is better than them or inspire them to go further. Mike Filsaime has a mentor, I have a mentor, I mentor people...

    I've got a lot of information from a lot of people on this forum, from eBooks, from seminars, from wherever, but NOTHING beats having a mentor who is ahead of your own curve. It's almost always worth the investment.

    Only problem I find is that people pay morons to mentor them. Blind leading blind ain't too successful... Find somebody you know is good, has been around for long and knows what's up. It's easy to "see what they do and even know how", but there are fundamentals behind their actions that make or break you.

    A little tweak can make your site convert 30% higher, or they might know something about hwo to approach somebody and that leads to a relationship you'd never had, etc.

    Mentors are crucial for "BIG SUCCESS", and continued improvement. Jim Rohn will tell ya.

    - Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Just a reminder that I titled this thread 'You Might Not Need A Mentor.'

    I'm not against mentoring and I do recommend it often to people who approach me, but for a lot of newbies I maintain that it's not necessary, or is at least premature if you're really new to all of this. I guess the one caveat I'll add is that if someone with a proven track record will take you under his/her wing for free or very low cost, or if you have plenty of investment cash laying around. Otherwise, I think you should save your money until you've got the more basic education you can get on your own. You have to get serious, but I don't believe you have to have your hand held from the get-go (and invest that kind of money).

    In the end, I think we overcomplicate this stuff way too often. Mentors have a legitimate place, but they aren't always the answer, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
    There's a a difference between a mentor and a crutch.

    I've had points in my career when I've had a mentor and other points when I have not. To me, the real benefit of a mentor is having someone of equal or greater knowledge/skill to help make decisions when you come to that fork in the road.

    I think, if possible, everyone should have a mentor. It's far more lonely and uncertain without one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      If I could change one thing that I did when I first started, it would have
      been to get myself a mentor IMMEDIATELY.

      Would have saved me a lot of grief and wasted months.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        If I could change one thing that I did when I first started, it would have
        been to get myself a mentor IMMEDIATELY.

        Would have saved me a lot of grief and wasted months.

        Absolutely.

        I wasted a good 4 years messing about thinking that I could "figure it out" and that it "would be easy". It wasnt until I started networking with others and getting myself various mentors that the money soon followed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Y
    I have found by having a mentor is was able to focus in on the information I need to get my business model going. I'm sure I would have found the information, but my mentor help lead me to the information, and that help accurate my success.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Leatherman
      Originally Posted by ChrisDeals View Post

      I have found by having a mentor is was able to focus in on the information I need to get my business model going. I'm sure I would have found the information, but my mentor help lead me to the information, and that help accurate my success.
      You are right about that. If it wasn't for my dad and Big Mike I would have been buying those books that say billion dollars in 2 minutes. They have kept me from the evil
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Welcome Brian to the WF. You keep listening to us Old Dogs and you will learn a thing or two.

    Seriously folks a mentor can be a very good thing, however it stills comes back to you and what you do with the mentoring. You can also use research you have done on your own, and combine with the mentoring advice and you may have the best solution.

    Ken Leatherman

    The Old Geezer
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