I'm a total newbie,is it too late to join the battlefield?

Are you trying to sell IM products? I would recommend for a newbie to start somewhere else.

But it is definitely not too late to join the game.

It's just a matter of finding something that will work for you. There are lots of opportunities everywhere!

Seems like you have a pretty narrow view of IM...and yeah, the big guys are sitting in the big seats, but there are millions of little seats making lots of us money...and good money at that!

Each of the courses/methods you mentioned are proven ways to make money online...so maybe it's not the internet...maybe it's your attitude.

Just sayin'.

Hi,

Welcome to the WF. I wish you well. It's just hard to tell where you are coming from. Buying products and asking for refunds, making almost $500 already in less than 2 months. It seems to me that you are very impatient. Many if not most would be quite impressed with you newbie results. Hang in there.

My best to you,

George Wright

It is definitely not too late for newbies to join the game. Never think that. Really quick, you have to stay positive. That's the only way you'll make it. I know it seems difficult now, but you're just starting out and you have a lot to learn. You should praise yourself about earning that $450. Most newbies take longer than 3 months to make a buck and some don't make that. I'm almost done creating a product which teaches newbies how to get started and make money online, so watch out for it. I won't lie to you, IM is hard work. If you stick with it, you could achieve so much. Stay positive!

It's never too late to join. I agree with Lisa, your view of IM seems to be quite narrow. Sounds to me like you're doing a lot of buying, but wonder what specific actions you're taking to make sure you have a solid foundation to making money in IM because that's what it takes (to last long term anyway). Also, keep in mind there's a lot more out there than just setting up sniper sites or marketing CB products. I read your post twice and you come off with a defeatist and scarcity mindset. Two of the biggest obstacles to making it any business.

I agree that some markets are incredibly competitive and the reason they are is because they can be incredibly profitable. But you must have a solid marketing foundation if you want to compete with them. I know plenty of people who buy courses and never utilize them to their full potential. They give up when things get too hard, too complicated, or they don't see results right away. I strongly recommend you read The Magic Of Thinking Big by David Schwartz and Unstoppable by Cynthia Kersey. Work on your mindset first and then start focusing on your IM education.

Again, it's not too late for a newbie to get started. I'll even venture to say that easier to make it today than ever before. There are more opportunities (I see them everywhere) and a dearth of information on how to get there. If you want to get your hands on dozens of proven blueprints and tools, join the War Room (the paid portion of this site). I did and it's turned me back into a serial entrepreneur, extending to the offline world. Just remember to work on your mindset first.

RoD "It's-Coffee-Or-Death!" Cortez

hey man be proud of what you have attained. Just scale it up and then if you earn enough you can diversify into other things, like making your own product. The IM battlefield will never be saturated. There are lots of products to promote if you are an affiliate and lots and lots of different keywords to use. Just be patient and you will get there!

Gian

IM is definite the most competitive niche

try other niches, there are unlimited niches to go for

the fact is the internaet is still blooming

how will it be late

ALWAYS ROOM FOR MORE! :-)

How are you marketing each of these sites? What techniques are you using to gain rank in the search engines?

Also, I'd recommend focusing on one business model until you know that model inside and out, and you start becoming profitable with it. Then move on to a different business model. Sometimes you just need to put the blinders on and ignore all the other info out there...info overload can be paralyzing and that sucks!

Get the three "P" Persistence, Patience and Professionalism. Reverse engineer what others have already achieved. It's a lot easier to copy and paste a successful method than trying to reinvent the wheel.

Clickbank products are a good starting point. May I ask if you have a professional keyword research tool to gets you those little gems for 5 cents a click that convert at 30%?

Dont sell internet marketing products. Get involved in non internet marketing niches and once you do well you could always come back to the IM market and produce 1 or 2 decent products based on your experience.

I was in your place and i wrote a guide about it. Go to www darren mcduffie dot com to get your free guide.

Yeah, it sounds like you need more linking power.

Think about it - how many people are making google sniper sites and submitting them to social bookmarking sites and calling it quits? Probably 99% of the buyers are only going that far. You have to take it farther.

Trust me, it's not too late to get into IM. It's so vast that I really think it will never become saturated.

Sure, some methods might become outdated, but there will always be new things you can do, new products coming out, people dropping out of the game, etc.

I started in the internet marketing game 6 months ago, and within 4 months I was making $4k/m doing the review site model, so it's definitely doable.

You don't have to concentrate on the make money online niche. It is quite saturated and many newbies go into it immediately without knowing much about it. There are a lot of profitable niches that don't have anything to do with making money online and there are other ways of making money online, such as website flipping. I realize that you have a way to go, since you don't know Wordpress or how to build sites or blogs, but there are a lot of options to consider other than just the make money online niche.

I think there's a moment in all of IM'ers minds where we went "wow I finally got it!" So after your done reading and reading some more and watching videos and more videos, I know you will have a moment to yourself where you say "Wow, I think I can do this!"

Just hang in there we all started from the bottom. So did the big guys, and girls.

I experienced the same problem even in the '90's as a newbie, it was impossible for me to make a dime as an affiliate, the competition was fierce even back then.

That's not to say others were not making money as affiliates, they were, but that approach wasn't working for me, so, I created a "niche" for myself in IM.

I started to write my own stuff and promote myself instead of promoting others, back then, that worked a storm because few of us were willing to stick our necks out like that, most people preferred to follow others as affiliates so there was room for me to grow easily as a leader 'cos there were so few of them.

The moral of the story is this... When you get into a market that is saturated or heavy with competition, and you don't have the kind of skills some of those guys do to get ahead even with all that mad rush and sometimes cut throat behavior, what you do is you step away from all the madness and set up your own stall that does something totally or somewhat different.

You set up to attract a group of the people who are willing to buy but maybe can't reach the front of the crowd either to get their hands on what everyone else is rushing for. You step away. You stand out. You be different.

In your case, here's what I would advice you do...

The Internet Marketing niche where you market solely ONLINE isn't for you if you don't have anything ultra-unique to offer. Instead, consider marketing IM products to prospects OFF THE WEB. There's a vastly untapped sea of prospects with money who would buy IM related products from you because few people are out there offering them the way out of their financial woes.

I discovered this a long time ago but never took it seriously till recently. Now, I'm focusing a lot of my marketing efforts on local prospects who by the way I can reach much easier with classified ads, press releases, TV and radio appearances, flyers and free seminars. Much of this isn't free in the short or long run, offline it often costs money to make money, but if you start with something you can afford you can grow from there.

An example of the latter is me getting published in 2 highly regarded local newspapers within days of each other, this one published me just today (Dec, 9) with more press releases going out.

Now, if you could make $450 selling clickbank products in this highly saturated tough to market in online niche, think what you can do in a relatively untapped market with a good audience?

Change your focus and look for your milk and honey where there is LESS competition, you will sleep easier at night and enjoy the journey much more.

Wish you the best,

Kunle Olomofe

1. Don't think in terms of "big guys" and "little ones." You're an entrepreneur. They're entrepreneurs. They just happen to be a little more established then you are right now. That's okay.

2. Why aren't you building your own list? I haven't used this tactic personally, but I've seen several people who'd set up review sites where they collect email addresses in exchange for a bonus related to the product or some sort of special add-on to make the product more effective. If you're already getting traffic to your review pages (which you obviously are), you could be converting some of that traffic into email subscribers, and still make sales of the affiliate product through subsequent email follow ups.

Well, I have been at this for about 2 - 3 years now and have only just managed to get a site earning regular monthly cash. It is nothing to write home about but the feeling is great. I believe that all the learning and times of no earning will pay off and I hope im finally on the right road. I do also believe that you can never stop learning. That applies to life in general, and if you think otherwise, you are limiting your success.

This coming from a guy that was begging forum members for a handout about 2 months ago. Maybe that's why you're not as successful as you could be.

You made this long ass teary eyed post and EXPECTED people to take you serious.

Now a new Warrior comes in and asks a serious question and you try to make him look like a fool.


Now that's laughable.



You're one classy guy.




To The Op: Welcome and jump on in. The water is nice and warm. I do not want to offer any direction for you to take as you've be given plenty already. Be patient and best wishes.

Defiantly don't give up $450 in your first 2 month is excellent it's a lot more than I made in my first 6 months. I know that's not profit because of all the books you have bought but everyone has to learn.

It sounds like you have already passed the first hurdle by actually taking action if you persist you will succeed.

However it sound like you need to find the right niche

I am new to, but i think there are no "Am i Late?".... on my word

Lonicera, all of the seats are not taken... there is a seat waiting for you.

The here is that you have to know where to go, what to do and how to do it, this is the key for making a living from the Internet.

Thanks,
^PV Reymond

You are looking for quick money "biz op" type ventures. This is great for some short term pocket change but as many people on this forum will tell you, the business is in the list.

Create products and a business. Think longer term. There are plenty of niches that need info products and you could quickly and easily be the guy selling to them.

Why are you spending so much time looking at other peoples results rather than keeping your eye on your own?

I am myself new to this and doing my researches and all that, but when I make my first bit of money I will celebrate, not complain that it isn't as big a pile as some other guy who has been doing it for years.

Think of it as a game, in a game a noob can come along and see a lvl 99 player and think they are god, but in time the noob will level up and get more powerful with experience, maybe he will never get as powerful, but there will be newer players who will follow you and think you are a god simply because of the knowledge you possess. I started out on an extremely popular MMOrpg 3 years back with nothing, not a single gold piece to my name but I never complained or griped, I simply got on with my game in my own way, I am now one of the more famous traders out there with more wealth than probably everyone on an entire game server put together, an official game moderator and forum moderator of one of the biggest associated fansites. But I never really aimed for it, I had a goal and I stuck to it, success was a by-product.

Have a goal and look at other peoples results to be sure to have a yardstick of your progress, but don't handicap yourself so severely by keeping your eye too closely on someone elses bank balance.

If you think your $450 earnt is not enough, simply relocate to India lol

Hi,everybody~

I am a newbie (3 months) too.and I also ever bought some course either.
Although I followed it , but still get nothing yet.

I feel the same as Lonicera's #1 post. But after I read all replies , I get more confidence.I have to thanks for everyone here.
Here is a good place, and many teachers here.

Guys,You know what ?! While I am reading these replies , I have to take a dictionary with me (Please Do not laugh at me !),English is not my mother language.

I would like to do the simular things as you guys {Make money online}, But I have to face more barriers than you.
I feel there must be something good out there that I might have an opportunity to get it.

So,Lonicera, don't give up.Keep walking ~

Keep Learning can be our knowedge foundation for further goal.

Please forgive me regard my poor english.

Good Luck to everyone~~~

Douglas

Well what you have done so far in 2 months is great 99% of people dont even make $1 online.

Since I got myself a mentor in July, I have made over $1000 and have a list of 1400 subs which is growing everyday.

I have also got to know some very successful marketers on a personal level.

Now I am writing my first book called 'newbies journal' which I am giving away for free.

Then I am gonna go on and create my own product.

All this and I work full time and have three children.

So this has taken me months to grow but I just keep working at it, pushing forward never giving up. Setting small acheivable goals reaching them and moving on.

Growing my business so far has been all about giving value, and people have started to know like and trust me.

So im just saying make a plan, set yourself some goals get a mentor.

If you want this, just never give up.

Good luck

Marcus

Well here we go again. Could I suggest a new way of thinking here?

I must say what amazes me is that people will spend
THOUSANDS of dollars to go to college, study for years
just to begin at the bottom of the job market - work as basically
an apprentice for years paying their dues and
suddenly believe that IM world is somehow different;

that if they fail in 6 months, we are all
liars and cheats - they put a toe in the
water and never really commit to a niche
and expect that all the guru lies are true -

well if you believe in fantasy I suggest you
use your IM wisdom below because at least you
can have fun . . . Just my opinion, heh
WorldofWarcraft.com

Too late for what? No seats? We can make more seats! Just 2 months and you tasted something sweet. Boy, that was fast! The bitterness you have is you and yourself like others have said, with your scarcity mind set.The world is more than enough for all of us. Maybe you were just a bit too greedy and selfish? Following some one else? Be free. Choose a niche where you will have some passion in so you can love it unconditionally and hang on longer... Look at it this way money is sweet and bitter. lol Leave the bitter thoughts and focus on the sweet .
Look up the 20/80 ratio rule and work with what works in the 20 %. Work less, work smart. Dont stop, don't give up and persevere. Forget the money part and make quality creations or content even if it's a little but consistently and people will love you for it and one day money will come running after you without a thought and by surprise. lol Stop competing in such a negative way and create positively!
Peace and Sweet Deals.
Every mistake is a stepping stone to higher success so learn what it means in a positive way.

Focus on one thing. Gain some stability, I think your trying to many things. Find someone you like and follow everything they do and you will get similer results

Funny, my experience with George Brown's methods have been great. And I love how connected his forum is to his customers for ongoing help. I have found being held accountable is key to any business owners success no matter when you start.

I would recommend joining The War Room as you get plenty of good advice and lots of free stuff to help you in the batterfield.

Hmmm.

Something seems fishy here. I just read through most of your previous posts and a lot of things don't add up
I couldn't remember where I had seen your name before then I remembered the yeast infection site. but I also see you giving advice on Georges product I quote

I've tried several times to post an article about money making products on ezine articles, every time it gets refused for being advertisement.

You can improve the page ranking in Google by deactivating All in one SEO and installing Platinum Seo plugin instead. It has more SEO options.
I also make descriptions for categories and tags that include the main keyword.
A good tool for bookmarking every post you make is Onlywire, but if you like to use it free, you will have to put a button at the end of each of your posts.
But that's not so bad, since you're able to bookmark every post you make with one click to at least 20 bookmarking sites.
So, if your front page has 4 posts, and you bookmark them all, you already have 80 backlinks to your site..

Seems to me your not making any sense and now once again many good hearted warriors have come to encourage you. I don't get it. I mean the above mentioned statement is not something a newbie would know concerning a product and submitting money making products how would you know if they were or not if your a newbie. I mean you made a different post where someone who is new asked about a website tracker and you responded,a very good web site stat tool is Clicky.


Yet in previous threads you indicate you had 0 knowledge and did not knw how to do this or that including fixing your squeeze page. does anyone else find this strange or am I being a dope here? I am interested to know how on earth you could possibly be saying the things posted as well as what you posted on previous threads a lot does not add up here.

-WD

Hi lonicera,
I am not a Guru and in no position to give you advices and recommendations. I would to like to give my 5 cents worth regarding about this topic. It is not too late for newbies to start making money online. It is just most people get distracted and buys alot of stuff online and going after making money online program, one after another.

It is not going to work if you are going to purchase product after product. I believe most people have gone through this phase and spend alot of money on information products and making money systems. It is best to find a mentor and let him/her to coach you one on one and copy his/her way of making money online.

A Mentor refers to someone who already made it online and are generating passive income online and helping others to succeed. Find a mentor and stick to the plan of whatever your mentor has revised for you and follow his/her recipe for success.

It is hard for you to fail if you are consistent and constantly following up with your mentor. It all depends on what kind of business model you are comfortable with. The listbuilding model, membership site model or affiliate marketing using Google Adwords.

It doesn't matter if you are just starting out. The most important thing is to take massive action, be consistent in what you do and never ever allow yourself to get distracted once you are focus.

Most people fail because lack of focus. Be smart and maintain your focus and know what you want and go after it until you got it. Nothing is impossible. Everyone starts from humble beginnings.

Live with Passion,
Winson

DO sell internet marketing products!

It's taugh market with strong competition
and that is going to force you to learn
everything that can bring you visitors
and make money. It will take a year or two
until you know how to compete with already
established IMers, but when you have mastered
all the techniques and collected all the knowledge
it will be a child game for you to jump into less
competitive niches and do well right away.

Well,I would like to say I'm also not a veteran in IM.But I still believe one sentence:Better late than never.There can be miracles when you beileve.So just do it.But first you should have a clear goal and prepared yourself well to fight for it.IM is challenging but also rewarding.

I think the best way to make money online is to have your own product.

Focusing on Clickbank and similar products is very limiting. There are many products and services that people and businesses need and buy. Some of these are pretty much wide open on the internet. Not everything is saturated.

If you can learn certain foundations of marketing on the internet, there are plenty of opportunities. Methods may change and products change as needs change, but the opportunity is there.

Also, making money by selling money making stuff is a very small % of internet marketing and it's very odd to me that so many focus on this niche.

There are a million different ways to make money online and everyone will give you a different answer. Its never to late to start making money on the internet, however jumping from one system to the other is not a great idea.

Here's my 2 cents.

1. Build a buisness model
2. Get a list.
3. Make a product.

(and don't give up)

If its not too late, can I take a seat please?

Hi Lonicera

Like you I have tried to make it online with many different money making products. For me nothing was working until I started using Niche Profit Classroom

Adam and Alen from Niche Profit Classroom explain everything you need to know step-by-step with video instructions.

You get ready made Niche businesses and instruction on how to setup Wordpress and make small under the radar niche website that generate income.

It takes time but consider giving just 12 months of effort, build up a portfolio of websites that promote your own product , CPA and Clickbank offers.

Adam and Alen show you how to do article marketing to bring targeted traffic to the keywords through their keyword matrix system.

They explain how to submit 21 articles, one per day for 21 days and beyond. This is what we call the 21 day traffic blueprint and it is so simple yet a powerful way to get targeted traffic. Each article targets the keyword that brings the most searches with less competition, this equals more conversions.

They show you how to setup list building and give you auto responder emails pre-written and ready to go.

Recently they released videos showing how to do video marketing in our weekly webinars.

I really trust these guys, they are internet millionaires, and they cut straight through the hype and show you how to build a solid business from the ground up.

All the best for 2010

There are literally tons of ways to make money online, and no they are not all taken.

If that was not enough, there are then many different niches and sub niches that you can get into.

The whole internet marketing stuff is not limited to selling things to people who are only interested in internet marketers.

There are a lot of other people who do not know about internet marketing, but who get online to buy the latest item that they are passionate about.

So definately, it's not too late to join.

Kevin

Yes, I will agree with you on that one. But that just means you should seek other niches not "make money" niche

I have been at the table for nearly 2 years and am just starting to find my feet. My biggest problem is concentration and it is by far costing me. Listen to advice given by other more experienced members as I know it works.

Even I am new to this Internet Marketing. Can some one assist me so that I could shine in this and become a successful person.

Guide me the ways through which I could make money.

You've made about $450 in a little over 2 months??? Was it my eyes or did i just read a complaint? Some people will trade an arm to get the results you're getting. Keep doing what you're doing man. It's not a bed of roses but yes, you can still make it big time in IM. Be patient and stay focused.
Stick here for a while and you'll learn more valuable tips to becoming a big shot in IM.
Good luck.

It's never too late to start any business as long as you are presenting real solutions for current problems.

Cautious though: People tend to answer this question as if their business is the only business. You must have an open mind.

There are tons of Niches where you can profit online.

What's required? You start with commitment, faith, and perseverance. If you don't have that, then your effort is just a whim, regardless of what niche you choose.

On a small budget, you won't get rich tomorrow, you have to work at it. Online business is a real business, not an instant solution to everything and every problem.

If you're not prepared to work at it, and commit real time and energy, then honestly, I wouldn't even start.

Of course, I don't know you, I'm just presenting the truth. Start your business with a honest look at what effort you are willing to put forth.

If it's a total effort, and you are willing to learn, then you can succeed just like any of the gurus.

Have a great day

Wayne Sharer

If its any consolation, a lot of the old guard are apparently 'retiring.'

New FTC rules or just a 'movement' in the IM world? Who knows, but one thing is that cream will always rise to the top and if you provide quality you'll always have a market for what you offer.

It is never too late for anything. I started some time back, and here I am today!

WHAT? $450??? C'mon, you just bought your self 3 months at the seat of 'masters' with that much coin... Been almost 30 days for me... I am *knockin down* a whole $1.85 so far! (Go Google AdSense!)

You should be excited... you are doing GREAT in my books...

Keep on Going, you are off to a great start compared to some of us!!!

Happy New Year!

No its not yet too late, even if the world will end in 2012, you still have 2 years left . Even the so-called experts are continuously learning each and everyday to even more enhance themselves so don't give up.Take the wheels forward and never shift to reverse.

just stay in the game and u're good... nikad nije kasno

I had the same question but my friend Greg has been in this since 97 and he continues to make money online. He believes the opportunities are expanding not getting smaller. But he also says you have to be a lot smarter nowadays. He focuses on PPC but I am broke; I need a less expensive way. I hope to find ideas here.

No, the internet is a huge playing field and there is enough room for everyone! You have to realize that you have something unique to offer the world that no one else can on the internet. There are tons of niches that people are making money in that range from bee harvesting to making money!