Brute Force Article Marketing Method for Newbies

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Brute Force Article Marketing Method for Newbies

Article marketing is a great way to make money online. In my 3 years of IM life, I started succeeding in article marketing only in the last 1 year. Everyone has different obstacles to reach success and mine was - Learning too much before taking action. I do not know if this post will help every newbie out there, but those who were like me would now know what to do...

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You may have already heard about article marketing from various information sources, but I guess you are overwhelmed when people ask you to build a list, have a highly click-able headline and signature, care for you readers, have a good landing page for your product / affiliate product etc.

And to add more, people talk about spinning the article, using article re-writers, directory submission software, back-linking from other sources and this and that and this and that.

If you gained too much knowledge before taking action, you are probably overwhelmed and got the idea that this thing is too complex and that mindset may have prevented you from taking action. I am not sure if that rings a bell in your head, but this is what happened to me. Instead of getting started, I learned too much and it took a long time for to get started.

All the above "advanced" techniques work and will multiply your results... but to start making some money right away... you just need to follow this simple formula:
  1. Find an affiliate program (either a product or a service) about which you know something about.
  2. Create a simple landing page explaining the benefits of the product. No need of advanced copywriting skills, just write as if you are recommending the product to your close friend.
  3. Invest time in writing at least 50 articles. (Or invest money in outsourcing 50 articles. $5 x 50 = $250).
  4. Submit all of them to EzineArticles. Don't worry about submitting them to 100 different directories!
Do not start with 10 or 20 articles. You may be disappointed by the results. If you get 50 in the first go... at least 1 will hit the jackpot and that will boost your confidence in article marketing which will be your biggest ever asset in your IM journey.

Now if you do not make $250 to break even, do not worry. At the worst case, you would at least make $100. Do not think you lost $150. You have actually invested $150 in learning something through experience. This is far more valuable than any information product that you may buy for $150.

If you make $250 or more, do the same thing again and this time you will learn something new even if you don't make massive profits.

If keyword research frightens you, stick with the above 4 steps. Else use the Google Adwords keyword tool to find what people are actually searching for and use those keywords in your headlines.

Your next stage of evolution would be gaining basic copywriting skills and then SEO and then some serious SEO and then some list building and finally creating your own product down the road. Just get started with the above 4 steps and later you will be attracted to such advanced techniques without forcing yourself to learn it.

"A Journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step."

So are you ready to take the first step? If yes, make a public commitment & get a leverage on yourself.

To Your IM Success,
Sandeep

P.S. Just remember that I am not a Guru in article marketing. I am just sharing what I have learned so far. There are better teachers out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Submit all of them to EzineArticles. Don't worry about submitting them to 100 different directories!
    Some of the worst advice I have ever heard in Article Marketing .. Sure hop nobody takes it to heart either...

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandeep Shah
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Some of the worst advice I have ever heard in Article Marketing .. Sure hop nobody takes it to heart either...

      James
      This is what I did to start with... and of course it did not generate the maximum possible results but I got what I invested and learned a lot. I am just sharing my experience...

      You say that because you own a Spinning and Submission website: ArticleProductions.com right?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Sandeep Shah View Post

        This is what I did to start with... and of course it did not generate the maximum possible results but I got what I invested and learned a lot. I am just sharing my experience...

        You say that because you own a Spinning and Submission website: ArticleProductions.com right?
        No I say that because I have "proven" it is a huge mistake to just submit to EZA... This is bad advice to newbies. Just because I own a article marketing tools site does not mean I am posting to plug myself.

        First and foremost you should add your articles to your "OWN" site.

        I have posted many times suggestion other article directories

        Free Articles Directory | Submit Articles - ArticlesBase.com
        Submit articles or find free articles
        Free Articles at Amazines.Com - Author Publishing and Free Article Database
        Article Search Engine Directory: GoArticles.com
        IdeaMarketers | free content directory

        And many other sites.

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author FriendlyRob
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Yup ... one of the worst I've ever seen here, for sure.



          Sandeep, I mean this politely, but your experience is no longer applicable. Things have changed a lot, very recently. You couldn't do that now and even realistically hope to cover your costs, and anyway it would be an enormous waste of effort and resources.

          I'm not trying to attack you at all, but I do want to comment for the benefit of the very same "newbies" you're addressing, and urge them to ignore you completely! :rolleyes:
          I usually just read a post until I see what Alexa has to say, then I just follow her advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    If keyword research frightens you, stick with the above 4 steps.

    If your scared of keyword research you better stick to something besides article marketing . Unless you just like to write for the heck of it .

    Not sticking up for anyone but if you had of ever read any of Jame's Stuff, you would realize he advocates your own sites first ... every time . After purchasing some of his stuff, I know that he recommends many sites ... his link strategies demand it .
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    • Profile picture of the author aboutusnow
      But you guys are completely missing the point of what the OP was writing. He was writing to newbies and saying, "Hey, if right now you want to make some money online, do some research and write some articles. Don't create websites, don't have linking strategies, and don't purchase anyone's stuff."

      Newbies get so confused because they don't know anything about linking, don't know how to create a website, and certainly don't want multiple sites. That is why they are called newbies.

      Simple is better - especially when starting. If we learned how to walk the way people want to teach IM, we would have to run a 5k before we crawled across the floor. It does the human mind good to over-complicate things because it feeds our ego, but rarely does it result in more money.

      Case in point - first $150 I made online. 10 articles submitted to EZA only. I didn't have a website. Didn't want a website. Didn't do keyword research. Just wanted to make money. And that "huge mistake" worked.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by aboutusnow View Post

        But you guys are completely missing the point of what the OP was writing. He was writing to newbies and saying, "Hey, if right now you want to make some money online, do some research and write some articles. Don't create websites, don't have linking strategies, and don't purchase anyone's stuff."

        Newbies get so confused because they don't know anything about linking, don't know how to create a website, and certainly don't want multiple sites. That is why they are called newbies.

        Simple is better - especially when starting. If we learned how to walk the way people want to teach IM, we would have to run a 5k before we crawled across the floor. It does the human mind good to over-complicate things because it feeds our ego, but rarely does it result in more money.

        Case in point - first $150 I made online. 10 articles submitted to EZA only. I didn't have a website. Didn't want a website. Didn't do keyword research. Just wanted to make money. And that "huge mistake" worked.
        I did not miss anything at all ... It is plain out right bad advice to tell newbies that they should not post to no other site but EZA.. New or not, it is better to learn the proper way from the start..

        This is why many people took the time to create threads like this, so newbies would be saved from all the junk that people spit out as so-called advice. - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

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        • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          I did not miss anything at all ... It is plain out right bad advice to tell newbies that they should not post to no other site but EZA.. New or not, it is better to learn the proper way from the start..

          James
          What's wrong with the OP's advice?He's just simplifying article marketing by helping the newbies.Instead of publishing your articles at 100 of sites, it's better to submit it at EZA or other HIGH PR directories such as AB or GO.

          Here's WHY..

          If you put an article in your blog,it'll take a lot of time and effort to get it rank in GOOGLE unless your BLOG is a high PR blog or you know off page SEO.

          However,by submitting your article at EZA,AB or GO,chances are very high for your article to RANK in GOOGLE without much effort.The internal backlink system of those directories are good enough to push the relevant article to rise high in GOOGLE.

          And for your information, EZA is ranked 131 according to ALEXA.



          Unless your blog or other article directories can beat this kind of traffic, then DON'T submit it at EZA

          Here's an example of EZA stats:



          Those 3 articles were approved yesterday,and within 1 day I've received 36 visitors to my main site and those articles are yet to RANK in GOOGLE.I've not even started to promote it.YES,36 visitors are not much but what if submit 10 articles? that's about 120 visitors a day.

          This could be the fastest way for NEWBIES to get traffic.

          and I don't think that the OP has given a BAD advice

          But the OP has left out some important things of AM such as Keyword research and backlinks.Guess NEWBIES have to start learning those skills.

          Here are a few threads that I found useful:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...fic-ezine.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ke-3117-a.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-you-rich.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...step-step.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ss-spying.html

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...icle-fast.html

          There're a lot of useful threads here.You can find it with a simple search

          My 2c..
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

            What's wrong with the OP's advice?He's just simplifying article marketing by helping the newbies.Instead of publishing your articles at 100 of sites, it's better to submit it at EZA or other HIGH PR directories such as AB or GO.
            What is wrong with it is he is telling newbies to put all their eggs into one basket and they do not have to worry about other sites. So what happens is they follow that and then they never take action to submit to other sites at all thus costing them money in the long run.

            It is not simplifying anything, it is bad advice period!

            Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

            If you put an article in your blog,it'll take a lot of time and effort to get it rank in GOOGLE unless your BLOG is a high PR blog or you know off page SEO.
            Wrong... Your blog can be indexed within minutes, even brand new. All it takes is some backlink building which you need to do anyways. All-In-One-Seo plugin takes care of your seo on your blog.

            This has been proven time and time again that even a brand new blog can be indexed the same exact day the name was registered and blog installed.

            As for the traffic stats you posted, I will keep my comments to myself on that ...

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
              Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

              What is wrong with it is he is telling newbies to put all their eggs into one basket and they do not have to worry about other sites. So what happens is they follow that and then they never take action to submit to other sites at all thus costing them money in the long run.

              It is not simplifying anything, it is bad advice period!



              Wrong... Your blog can be indexed within minutes, even brand new. All it takes is some backlink building which you need to do anyways. All-In-One-Seo plugin takes care of your seo on your blog.

              This has been proven time and time again that even a brand new blog can be indexed the same exact day the name was registered and blog installed.

              As for the traffic stats you posted, I will keep my comments to myself on that ...

              James
              Oh Come on James .... Tell us what you think about 36 visitors from 3 articles ... all in one day .
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                Oh Come on James .... Tell us what you think about 36 visitors from 3 articles ... all in one day .
                I started to Troy but I was laughing too hard ...

                Honstly the article you just posted on AP has 146 visitors and it is already indexed in google not once but twice ..lol AP is in no way has the "authority" or traffic EZA does... Sounds strange huh ...

                James
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                • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                  Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                  I started to Troy but I was laughing too hard ...

                  Honstly the article you just posted on AP has 146 visitors and it is already indexed in google not once but twice ..lol AP is in no way has the "authority" or traffic EZA does... Sounds strange huh ...

                  James
                  Yeah ... I don't know if this is a good thing . The site it points to got indexed in Google and I was really not ready . This is a 2010 project . Oh well guess that means if you are not ready to be indexed you should post to EZA and depend on their 2 week waiting period .
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                  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                    Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                    Yeah ... I don't know if this is a good thing . The site it points to got indexed in Google and I was really not ready . This is a 2010 project . Oh well guess that means if you are not ready to be indexed you should post to EZA and depend on their 2 week waiting period .
                    LOL .. Ok Troy I almost chocked on my coffee ... I really should stop reading and drinking at the same time ...

                    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      If keyword research frightens you, stick with the above 4 steps.
      If your scared of keyword research you better stick to something besides article marketing . Unless you just like to write for the heck of it .
      I agree with Troy. The merits or otherwise of submitting to your own blog vs article directories are well covered in other threads, but the OP is advocating that a newbie should write or commission 50 articles (acceptable to EZA) about the one product or service without doing any basic keyword research?

      I'd be interested to hear how he suggests a newbie could come up with those 50 article titles.


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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I didn't miss anything .

    The op says to avoid even basic keyword research if it scares you .

    to spend $250 on articles and be happy with a $150 loss lesson.

    The only lesson I see in that scenario is how to make yourself feel better about losing $150.

    A lesson that the op states is better than any Im product you could buy for $150.

    Travis of bum marketing fame can and does give better lessons than that for free.

    There is a big difference in over complicating things and learning fundamentals. Not worried about ego or opinions of me for that matter .

    Being from Ga. , I have heard the expression " Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally ,"

    Shots in the dark will sometimes hit a target .

    Basic fundamentals will build a lasting business that is replicable .
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    • Profile picture of the author ggross
      Troy,

      I have to agree. Either start right or never leave the gate, is the way I look at it. And I'm originally from TN, I've heard a lot worse than that. ;-)

      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      I didn't miss anything .

      The op says to avoid even basic keyword research if it scares you .

      to spend $250 on articles and be happy with a $150 loss lesson.

      The only lesson I see in that scenario is how to make yourself feel better about losing $150.

      A lesson that the op states is better than any Im product you could buy for $150.

      Travis of bum marketing fame can and does give better lessons than that for free.

      There is a big difference in over complicating things and learning fundamentals. Not worried about ego or opinions of me for that matter .

      Being from Ga. , I have heard the expression " Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally ,"

      Shots in the dark will sometimes hit a target .

      Basic fundamentals will build a lasting business that is replicable .
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    OP is *basically* right, but yes:

    Do NOT just simply "write"...you need to do some niche/keyword research. If i write or outsource..the title and overall content of the article is already known because i have a list of keywords. Don't just randomly write what's in your head - this is a big mistake many make.

    Furthermore, yes, a "simple" site can work...but then a GOOD and convincing site can skyrocket your sales. If you have a product where you know it works there is no reason to skimp on the site. Its a little more work, but it will pay off.
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    • Profile picture of the author theimdude
      For $250 you can utilize your funds much better and end with a profit rather than a loss of $150. And all of the work can be outsourced
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      • Profile picture of the author Wealthyclark
        Originally Posted by theimdude View Post

        For $250 you can utilize your funds much better and end with a profit rather than a loss of $150. And all of the work can be outsourced
        So why don't you share, show me the money. I have $250 to invest, in fact I have a little more than that if you have something good.

        Make me a believer!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Denton
    Great post Sandeep. Many people would charge a lot of money for that simple advice. Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandeep Shah
    It is amazing how many people are talking about losing $150. The chances of losing $150 is very very unlikely because even if one article generates $5 back, one can break even. There are pretty good chances that there will be profit in the first try. I mentioned it only as a worst case scenario.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Okay..I will say good start but here is my spin on it...

    Take the $250 and get 48 articles written and spend the other $10 (grab it when he has one of those any item for $7 sales) and get Big Mikes articlebot and at least, and I mean at the very least, also submit each article using the article bot to ALL the other directories that are in it. May take you a little longer but the end pay off will be A LOT better.

    Then you can also set up a blog on your OWN domain or even the subdomain of the landing page site and put all 48 articles on there pointing back to the landing page.

    And then you can take it a step further, and also post those 48 articles onto basic web 2.0 sites, don't even alter them, put them up on a free blogger sites, Squidoo, etc with your article box still intact pointing back at your main site.

    This way, you shouldn't end up losing any money and you are taking FULL advantage of the $250 you just spent on articles.

    Sylvia

    P.S Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author ggross
      Sylvia,

      That 2 cents is worth a lot more than that.

      Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

      Okay..I will say good start but here is my spin on it...

      Take the $250 and get 48 articles written and spend the other $10 (grab it when he has one of those any item for $7 sales) and get Big Mikes articlebot and at least, and I mean at the very least, also submit each article using the article bot to ALL the other directories that are in it. May take you a little longer but the end pay off will be A LOT better.

      Then you can also set up a blog on your OWN domain or even the subdomain of the landing page site and put all 48 articles on there pointing back to the landing page.

      And then you can take it a step further, and also post those 48 articles onto basic web 2.0 sites, don't even alter them, put them up on a free blogger sites, Squidoo, etc with your article box still intact pointing back at your main site.

      This way, you shouldn't end up losing any money and you are taking FULL advantage of the $250 you just spent on articles.

      Sylvia

      P.S Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandeep Shah
    I was reading an e-book today morning and I would like to quote a few sentences from it

    Choosing the right place to submit your article depends on a number of
    factors, and there really is no substitute for actual trial and error.

    To start off with though, the most popular article directory to date is still,
    without a doubt, EzineArticles.com. Tests have consistently shown that
    articles published there have a tendency to outperform those published
    elsewhere.

    Partly, this is due to the high Page Ranking of EzineArticles.com, but it is
    also due to the internal links that could really help your article out once it
    reaches the 'most viewed' link bar for a given niche.

    So, if you're thinking about starting up, it would probably be best to try out
    EzineArticles.com first. Should that not work for you, then there are always
    other simple options
    Source: "Article Marketing Secrets" by Clint Pollard (Warrior)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jag82
      Originally Posted by Sandeep Shah View Post

      I was reading an e-book today morning and I would like to quote a few sentences from it

      Source: "Article Marketing Secrets" by Clint Pollard (Warrior)

      Hi Sandeep,

      There's no doubt that EzineArticles is one of the "must-submit-to" article directories.

      For article marketing newbies, they can definitely start off with submitting to EzineArticles. As it is, submitting 50 articles just to 1 directory like EzineArticles will represent a lot of work. Especially if it is done so manually.

      Sometimes this intimidates newbies. And they end up not taking any action at all. Sandeep, if your advice is to motivate newbies to get some movement going by breaking up the process into smaller chunks, and submitting to EZA first, I can understand where you are coming from.

      But having said that, you won't want to submit to just 1 directory alone. Because you will be leaving plenty of traffic and money on the table.

      Furthermore, you can easily automate the submission process to other directories. There are plenty of automation tools on the market. So there's no excuse not to do so.

      Jag
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Sandeep Shah View Post

      I was reading an e-book today morning and I would like to quote a few sentences from it

      Source: "Article Marketing Secrets" by Clint Pollard (Warrior)
      Your point is what ??? Good for Clint and his opinion, I wonder if he actually agrees with your OP ..? Fact is no real article marketer will agree with your OP because it is down right bad advice, plain and simple.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandeep Shah
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Your point is what ??? Good for Clint and his opinion, I wonder if he actually agrees with your OP ..? Fact is no real article marketer will agree with your OP because it is down right bad advice, plain and simple.

        James
        James,

        You can either keep posting that my advice is bad, else...

        You can give some "good" advice from your experience... If you really want to create some value in this thread & help the newbies.

        You cannot help someone by advising about the roads not to be taken... instead point us to the right road!

        Even if that means some self promotion (I see you have some great tools for article marketers)... just give us 2-3 good action points. Will hit a Thanks for you once you do that.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Sandeep Shah View Post

          James,

          You can either keep posting that my advice is bad, else...

          You can give some "good" advice from your experience... If you really want to create some value in this thread & help the newbies.

          You cannot help someone by advising about the roads not to be taken... instead point us to the right road!

          Even if that means some self promotion (I see you have some great tools for article marketers)... just give us 2-3 good action points. Will hit a Thanks for you once you do that.
          I already have and it has nothing to do with self promotion, I have no need to do self promotion..

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

          That thread right there is worth $thousands$ and has "proven" real methods by many of us that have "proven" results. There is no ebook that can even compare to that thread and its 100% free...

          Step by step plans that anyone can follow, matter fact I know many that are following some of those step by step plans and actually finally making money....

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author Sandeep Shah
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            I already have and it has nothing to do with self promotion, I have no need to do self promotion..

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

            That thread right there is worth $ and has "proven" real methods by many of us that have "proven" results. There is no ebook that can even compare to that thread and its 100% free...

            Step by step plans that anyone can follow, matter fact I know many that are following some of those step by step plans and actually finally making money....

            James
            I wonder why it took so long for you to share that link.

            As you can see from my post count, I am new to Warrior Forum. I have not read every other thread and post in WF before... And obviously did not have a chance to come across your posts either.

            It would have been much better if you had shared that link in the first post you made in this thread.

            I went through your post and it is easy for me to grasp it. I will give it a try. But it is definitely not easy for newbies.

            It is much easier for me to get into the shoes of a newbie and see through them than it is for more experienced people like you.

            In your post, in the second point you say "Install a blog"... fine. But do you know how many newbies haven't even registered their first domain yet?

            The term social bookmarking, distribution services, spinners etc. is still foreign to many people.

            Even though I haven't yet made millions through internet marketing yet... I have spent more time with absolute beginners who are trying to succeed online.

            Just to quote an experience, when I was a speaker in a seminar on the topic of "Making Money Online" in a Business school in India... I asked the question: How many of you have used Google to find information online. 99% put their hands up. Then I asked how many of them have tried to find out about online earning opportunities... around 50% of the hands went up.

            The next question's response shocked me... I asked how many of them knew about the Google AdSense program and I could count only 3. In another seminar, a guy told me that he had a CJ account but did not promote anything from it yet because he said he thought CJ was a scam!

            Most of them do not believe that they can get a check sitting at home, let alone get rich online.

            I have mentored some close friends. When their first US Dollar check arrives... their paradigm changes. They have never received a foreign currency check before. It would be the first time that they get the experience of sending it for collection through the bank and after 21 working days, the amount gets credited based on that day's forex rate. Even if it is just $100 or even less... it alters their subconscious beliefs about the whole idea of making money online.

            They start to think that if they can gain some more knowledge and do it right... earning from internet is really possible. From there they get the momentum, they get the motivation... and I need to do nothing else. The will learn all these "advanced techniques" from that point onwards.

            In my opinion, those who always think about increasing the efficiency, not leaving money on the table etc. and cannot see where a newbie really comes from are spending more time with machines than with people... plain and simple.

            Hope no one takes it to the heart.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
              Originally Posted by Sandeep Shah View Post

              I wonder why it took so long for you to share that link.
              Look up at the tool bar, click on the button titled: Search
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                As John McEnroe used to say rather volubly, "You cannot be serious"?!?! James only shares that link about 3 times a week.
                Tell me about it Alexa... People see and read what they want to but not what they should see and read ... It's amazing, simply amazing!

                If Allen posted a sticky about duplicate content penalty being false, which it is .. You would still see 5 threads a week on dup content ..

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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              I shared that link in post #10 and you seem to have ignored it then... The same link has been posted on 1,000 threads on this forum. There was also a post by Troy on keyword research and I will agree with him but you seem to ignore that also.

              All the information is right in front of you.. you do not need any ebooks.. It is all explained and this is why a forum has a "search function". Not being rude and I do fully understand newbies more than you know. I done website development for over 15 years. Fact is though if you can not grasp things that are right in front of you and explained in details then you have no business trying to make money online or being in business.

              That is not rude, that is hard core tough love facts!

              I would also like to point out the fact that many newbies are not a stupid as you think.. Many do understand bookmarking, social media, and etc. This is why newbies ask questions and they get answers by many on this forum that have been around for years.

              Here is theproblem with your post, you are attempting to teach others when you yourself have not learned the proper way to do something.

              Fact is you do not need $250 at all, you can start article marketing 100% for free and make a profit from it. Nobody said you have to be an expert writer but doing proper research is important but that research cost you nothing but some time.

              CJ is a scam by the way ...

              James

              Originally Posted by Sandeep Shah View Post

              I wonder why it took so long for you to share that link.

              As you can see from my post count, I am new to Warrior Forum. I have not read every other thread and post in WF before... And obviously did not have a chance to come across your posts either.

              It would have been much better if you had shared that link in the first post you made in this thread.

              I went through your post and it is easy for me to grasp it. I will give it a try. But it is definitely not easy for newbies.

              It is much easier for me to get into the shoes of a newbie and see through them than it is for more experienced people like you.

              In your post, in the second point you say "Install a blog"... fine. But do you know how many newbies haven't even registered their first domain yet?

              The term social bookmarking, distribution services, spinners etc. is still foreign to many people.

              Even though I haven't yet made millions through internet marketing yet... I have spent more time with absolute beginners who are trying to succeed online.

              Just to quote an experience, when I was a speaker in a seminar on the topic of "Making Money Online" in a Business school in India... I asked the question: How many of you have used Google to find information online. 99% put their hands up. Then I asked how many of them have tried to find out about online earning opportunities... around 50% of the hands went up.

              The next question's response shocked me... I asked how many of them knew about the Google AdSense program and I could count only 3. In another seminar, a guy told me that he had a CJ account but did not promote anything from it yet because he said he thought CJ was a scam!

              Most of them do not believe that they can get a check sitting at home, let alone get rich online.

              I have mentored some close friends. When their first US Dollar check arrives... their paradigm changes. They have never received a foreign currency check before. It would be the first time that they get the experience of sending it for collection through the bank and after 21 working days, the amount gets credited based on that day's forex rate. Even if it is just $100 or even less... it alters their subconscious beliefs about the whole idea of making money online.

              They start to think that if they can gain some more knowledge and do it right... earning from internet is really possible. From there they get the momentum, they get the motivation... and I need to do nothing else. The will learn all these "advanced techniques" from that point onwards.

              In my opinion, those who always think about increasing the efficiency, not leaving money on the table etc. and cannot see where a newbie really comes from are spending more time with machines than with people... plain and simple.

              Hope no one takes it to the heart.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sandeep Shah
                Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                Not being rude and I do fully understand newbies more than you know. I done website development for over 15 years.
                I just wonder what website development has to do with understanding newbies. Your statement suggests that you have spent tons of hours in front of the screen and nothing else.

                I would also like to point out the fact that many newbies are not a stupid as you think..
                Who ever said about newbies being stupid or something? Me, you, Frank Kern and John Reese all were newbies when we started out and we did not come to the point where we are now by being stupid. It was the mental block I was talking about. Brilliance has very little to do with one's success in IM.

                Here is the problem with your post, you are attempting to teach others when you yourself have not learned the proper way to do something.
                You need not be a millionaire to start giving out charity and contributing back to the world. If one guy earns 10 bucks today and gives 2 bucks to a person in need, he is a much better person than a millionaire who does not give a cent to others.

                From where I come, the income I have made through article marketing project alone can be considered as a full time income. And a major part of that success was through EzineArticles.

                CJ is a scam by the way ...
                I have been receiving checks from CJ for the past two years and in my opinion, it is one of the best affiliate networks around, if not The Best. It is pretty hard to digest when you say that it is a scam... may be your experience with them was a bad one.

                James, you are great in what you do, you have a lot of knowledge and experience and I am ready to learn from you. But I do not think getting into other's shoes and seeing through them is your forte. If you could, this thread wouldn't have been so long in the first place.

                If I were you, the good thing to do was to ignore this thread. The better thing to do would be appreciating me for trying to share some information with others, explain the flaw in my statement and post the alternative "better" advice. Sitting in an ivory tower and just commenting that other's advice is bad is the last thing I would have done.

                Just like you said: people read what they want to read and not what they should read... You will understand what you want to understand and not what you should understand.

                You have already posted many times that my advice is bad and I can predict your next move... you will find some flaws in my argument and post another equivalent statement which would say that my advice is bad. And people from the nearby ivory towers would post something that supports you and all of you would hit the thanks button on each other.

                I am ready for it... show me what you have got...

                Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

                Frankly I tell you, you guys gonna chase NEWBIES away with this kind of attitude.

                This is not my idea but my REQUEST
                ebizman, I am not intimidated I am here to stay and I am going to launch a lot of WSOs in 2010. I have had reasonable success in many other IM projects and I am going to give away all the information I have learned through experience. Although I am new to WF, I am no newbie.

                Perhaps just a little evolved newbie... but that is not going to stop me from helping others.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    Suddenly I'm starting to understand your desire to come across as an expert. :rolleyes:
                    My exact thoughts Alexa... You reading my mind again

                    This is one of the reasons why you need to nip bad advice OP's in the bud before too many get the wrong idea and start to follow the advice only to suffer greatly later on...

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          • Profile picture of the author Candace37
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            I already have and it has nothing to do with self promotion, I have no need to do self promotion..

            http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

            That thread right there is worth $ and has "proven" real methods by many of us that have "proven" results. There is no ebook that can even compare to that thread and its 100% free...

            Step by step plans that anyone can follow, matter fact I know many that are following some of those step by step plans and actually finally making money....

            James
            James, thank you SO much for pointing us to the other thread. I just spent the better part of an hour reading all the postings. The comments are amazingly helpful and should be printed out by all the newbies who don't know who to believe.

            I think one of the "newbie" problems, however, is not just limited to those new to IM. The majority of people believe that if it's in print, that it's true.

            Like everything else, newbies need to consider the source. Then they should take a day and test the strategy. If they make some coin, then good. If not, then search for other threads (like this one) where the topic gets clarified, and where they discover other options to try before throwing in the towel.

            Sorry for the long thank you, but it was warranted. I appreciate you.
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by Candace37 View Post

              James, thank you SO much for pointing us to the other thread. I just spent the better part of an hour reading all the postings. The comments are amazingly helpful and should be printed out by all the newbies who don't know who to believe.

              I think one of the "newbie" problems, however, is not just limited to those new to IM. The majority of people believe that if it's in print, that it's true.

              Like everything else, newbies need to consider the source. Then they should take a day and test the strategy. If they make some coin, then good. If not, then search for other threads (like this one) where the topic gets clarified, and where they discover other options to try before throwing in the towel.

              Sorry for the long thank you, but it was warranted. I appreciate you.
              You are very welcome Candace, glad to be of help... I think it is wonderful that you decided to read further into a thread from proven people that have tested and provided actual step by step plans.

              James
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I am here to stay and I am going to launch a lot of WSOs in 2010.
                Ya gotta love agendas. Explains a lot, doesn't it?

                I'm not sure how to say that "politely"...excuse me, sorry, my apologies
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      • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Your point is what ??? Good for Clint and his opinion, I wonder if he actually agrees with your OP ..? Fact is no real article marketer will agree with your OP because it is down right bad advice, plain and simple.

        James
        Can you be a little nice to HIM? He just shared his idea and you guys are tearing him down?

        If you find it NOT useful, then just FORGET the thread and move on. No 1 is begging you to answer either.

        I'm not saying that YOU shouldn't comment,but the way this thread is going and some of the "experts'" comments looks like you're going to chase this poor guy away.And you're only going to break his confidence to share his ideas here more.

        What'll happen next?

        He might be AFRAID to write in a new post here because his mind will remind him of his bad experience with his previous post.

        If he's WRONG explain to him nicely why he's wrong and HOW you can help him improvise his thread or ideas.

        The keyword here is "nice" or atleast in a respectable manner. Take a look at how "Jag82" answered above. He commented on the OP's idea and explained it nicely without dragging the post.

        Frankly I tell you,you guys gonna chase NEWBIES away with this kind of attitude.

        This is not my idea but my REQUEST
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          • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            But yes; you have a point, too. And maybe I said so too outspokenly.
            I just hope that other "harsh" commenter would realize how much "DAMAGE" they've done to the OP's confidence.

            Of course the OP is NOT 100% correct with his theory.But wouldn't be nice if the commenter could explain it in a better manner?

            I feel BAD for the OP

            And this is just an opinion or request and NOTHING personal here.

            Cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Sorry I take giving out bad advice to newbies very seriously... This is people's lives and business we are talking about here. If anyone follows that bad advice and they fail then guess what ??? Their confidence is lost and they give up.. Which is exactly what many newbies do because they followed some lame crap that someone else posted and "claimed" to work.

          There is far too many that be fake or just pass on bad advice that they heard from someone else. If you do not know exactly what you are doing or talking about then you have no business giving advice on the subject.

          Again not being rude but as someone that has done massive testing and is very knowledgeable on this subject, it is part of my responsibility to make sure that newbies do not get bad advice.

          The OP was already explained why he was wrong by several people and he chose to ignore than and still defend his post. Instead of defending his post maybe he should have looked into the info that was supplied to him and go out and test it and then come back and modify his post.

          The way I see it the OP reminds me of someone that is selling a ebook on "How to make money online" and then that same person runs to a forum and makes post on "how to I get traffic to my site" "I need better conversions, how do I do that" and etc...

          We have had post exactly like that on this forum.. This goes back to what I said before. If you do not know what you are doing then do not try to teach others. That is not rude in anyway, that is stating a FACT!

          "Ideas" are one thing ... Trying to post something as an actual plan to follow that is bound to fail and cost people money and their business is another thing ...

          Bottom line: As always .. people should never take someone elses word for something.. Go out and test it for yourself.

          James

          Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

          Can you be a little nice to HIM? He just shared his idea and you guys are tearing him down?

          If you find it NOT useful, then just FORGET the thread and move on. No 1 is begging you to answer either.

          I'm not saying that YOU shouldn't comment,but the way this thread is going and some of the "experts'" comments looks like you're going to chase this poor guy away.And you're only going to break his confidence to share his ideas here more.

          What'll happen next?

          He might be AFRAID to write in a new post here because his mind will remind him of his bad experience with his previous post.

          If he's WRONG explain to him nicely why he's wrong and HOW you can help him improvise his thread or ideas.

          The keyword here is "nice" or atleast in a respectable manner. Take a look at how "Jag82" answered above. He commented on the OP's idea and explained it nicely without dragging the post.

          Frankly I tell you,you guys gonna chase NEWBIES away with this kind of attitude.

          This is not my idea but my REQUEST
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          • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            That is not rude in anyway, that is stating a FACT!
            But FACTS can be explained in PLAIN ENGLISH without "harsh" comments right?

            Anyway,it's up to you to stick with your principle but NEWBIES may NOT be in the same mindset as you.They may take your words seriously and it may certainly impact their involvement in this forum.

            Cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author Jag82
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            Sorry I take giving out bad advice to newbies very seriously... This is people's lives and business we are talking about here. If anyone follows that bad advice and they fail then guess what ??? Their confidence is lost and they give up..

            You made a lot of good points, James.

            However I do think you could have worded your
            statements in a more tactful way.

            Even though I agree with your advice, I'm not surprised that the OP
            has not readily accepted it. It's just natural human reaction to be
            defensive towards "perceived" slights even though it's not intended.

            What we say is important. How we say it is even more so.

            If this was a real conversation taking place between you and
            the OP offline face-to-face, you may still have a hard time
            persuading him to your point of view (even though you could be right).

            It's persuasion 101.

            When I first saw the statement "worst advice I ever heard in
            article marketing
            ", I was like thinking - is this really the worst ever?

            I thought it was overly-harsh. And after all, OP was attempting to give.

            Jag

            P.S Making mistakes and learning from them help us to grow as
            a person. I think many newbies would have gleaned some value
            from reading this discussion thread as a whole.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Is this better .

          Mr op... will you please quit giving outdated and at some points dangerous information and stating This will work in the real time ?

          Some on here have not been involved with IM long enough to distinguish truth from getting smoke blown up their a$$.

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          Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

          Can you be a little nice to HIM? He just shared his idea and you guys are tearing him down?

          If you find it NOT useful, then just FORGET the thread and move on. No 1 is begging you to answer either.

          I'm not saying that YOU shouldn't comment,but the way this thread is going and some of the "experts'" comments looks like you're going to chase this poor guy away.And you're only going to break his confidence to share his ideas here more.

          What'll happen next?

          He might be AFRAID to write in a new post here because his mind will remind him of his bad experience with his previous post.

          If he's WRONG explain to him nicely why he's wrong and HOW you can help him improvise his thread or ideas.

          The keyword here is "nice" or atleast in a respectable manner. Take a look at how "Jag82" answered above. He commented on the OP's idea and explained it nicely without dragging the post.

          Frankly I tell you,you guys gonna chase NEWBIES away with this kind of attitude.

          This is not my idea but my REQUEST
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  • Profile picture of the author khairulazan
    A good tactics for start and make research.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I come from an era when you could just have a keyword in your website title and rank for it .

    No one was teaching keyword research . I, like many others, figured out on our own that it made real good sense to put the same word people were searching for in content .

    A lot of the time you had to put two and two together and still take a shot in the dark.

    Was there people teaching how to really do this at the time ? I am sure there were ... I just didn't Find a lot on it .

    My first article was actually quiet a while into my online ventures . The content from my site was ( and still can be) sufficient to get the traffic I needed to make money .

    EZA was the first place I submitted . Guess what? It got rejected ! How dare them reject me for a 7% keyword density :-). Yeah keyword research is important . Reading a sites tos can save a lot of wasted time .

    I still use EZA. Not exclusively . Not even for my Home article base . For the Link juice and the temporary traffic spike . One link points to my site ... one to my new home directory . Oh yeah ... the link in the article they let you use is no follow . It could get some traffic to a buffer site but it will not get any link juice unlesss you actually ping this link.

    Not to promote anyone but my new home directory will be one a warrior owns . Not because their site is as popular as EZA. Doesn't have the Page Rank ( well actually the pages my articles is on has more compared to theirs ) . Because they care enough about their members to actually promote articles that has no real monetary gain in it for themselves . Now you tell me if relationships work or not .

    This drawn out rant concludes with.

    1. EZA is a tool. Not the only tool in a article marketers arsenal.

    2. Some of us learned to use many tools before we ever heard of the warrior Forum. Once we found this wealth of information , we had a good idea from past experience, what information to take and apply to our business model.

    3. Some come on here and know very little about anything . They have no past to draw conclusions from.

    4. It is the duty of those they do know better to warn those that do not know , when we see information that , while it looks viable on the surface, is bull sh1t in sheep's clothing .

    Things are a lot different than they were when I started out . Understanding how to find, utilize, and compete for a competitive , valuable keyword is of utmost importance .

    Trying to rush EZA with 50 articles on the same subject , promoting one affiliate product, is as obsolete as me trying to rank for a high competition keyword in my site title only .

    Instead of the op trying to justify a post that supports an obsolete idea, their time could be better spent taking the advice of those that are doing article marketing in real time . I am not talking about myself here either . I know quiet a bit about article marketing but when certain warriors speak... I listen, write it down, implement if it fits my needs .
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel_Cowen
    I focus on the top 5 ezine directories, eza, goarticles, ideamarketers, article direcory, and articlebase. I would not recommend focusing on just one. You can resubmit the same article to diferent directories. Joel
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    Wow my head is spinning! Newbies keep it simple! Baby steps first.
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