Quiting internet marketing in the next 3months if............................

I don't even know where to start.

So you market a product that helps people make money online, but you don't make money online?

You're on the first page of MSN for a three word phrase? I hope you don't think that's good.

Seems like you have a chicken and egg problem

If your site is the one featured in your sig, I'm not surprised it isn't converting.

IMO, it's far too cluttered with Adsense and other ads all competing for your visitors' attention.

I'd redo it to focus on one clear offer, with an opt-in as the only other feature on the landing page.


Frank

Don`t give up Buddy.

Keep trying. I will advice you look into other niches and not just make money niche.

Its very competitive and you need to build trust to make money in that Niche.

Also, build a list and offer your list something free. Its about building a relationship with your market. When people trust you, they will take you as their mentor and whenever you recommend anything, they will buy it.

"The money is in the list".

Good luck

How should my site look like. My site is the one featured on my sig.

I have done that, i have no HTML knowledge not to talk of re-arranging my site.

I really think you should give up.

These days, trying to make $300 online is not easy if you do not know what you are doing and you do not know who to trust.

It is much easier to get a second job.

I do not why people think not giving up is a good idea.

Unless you can find a reliable coach soon, forget about internet marketing.

Apollo

I am beginning to understand this whole thing. I can begin to use some of the links directly from my site and use my site as reference.

PLEASE don't listen to this advice!

Sure, you can get a job to pay the bills in the mean time, but don't give up!

Look, I know it's tough. I struggled for years with low self esteem because my stuff wasn't converting. I almost gave up many times. But the reason people tell you to not give up is because if you do, you have NO chance to succeed.

Think about it...

If you keep trying, you have a small chance to succeed.

If you give up, you have NO chance.

I read a quote somewhere once that said that most people give up right before they were about to achieve success. I wish I could find the exact quote. But hopefully you get the idea. If you give up now, you will always wonder what could have been.

Apollo, why are you here then? I would shift your focus from how to make money online, to seeing what is currently a big issue in the news (i.e. weight loss) look for problems to solve. If you've got a particular passion, then you've undoubtedly come across things you wish would be there (a product, or other issue). Find problems to solve, do market research and see if there's traffic. It will take a bit of work, but really it is worth it. Far too many seem to think that the best way is the "make money online" niche.

But, if you feel that a job is the way to go (nothing wrong with that either), then do that. But whatever you do, do it because it is what makes you happy. As trite as this sounds it is true. Perhaps, take a break but come pay in a month or so. If this is your dream, NEVER and I mean NEVER give up. To do so leads to bitterness.

I do agree with choosing a difference niche, to some extent. You can still make money by telling others how to make money, even if you can't do it yourself. After all, skinny doctors make money telling people how to lose weight. After all, you're just an affiliate for products that might be created by people who DO make money.

But you may experience more success faster if you start by choosing a niche you are interested in or have knowledge of, because you might know more about what appeals to that market and how to sell it.

Not that I like the OP's site... but let's give him a break, guys!

1. Click on the link in his footer where it says "plugin profit site" (or at the bottom of the sidebar)

2. Check out this subforum at WF: Plug-In Profit Site Support Forum

I my view the OP is just following a 'system' that has support here in the WF.
How many times do we say to newbies: find a system and follow it...?

Good to see the arguments goin on..

If you can write good quality articles say a minimum of 100 (its not that hard i've discovered), well optimised for adsense. it will set you off to getting passive income eventually. And if you enjoy writing, know your keyword research and SEO lingos, you will grasp the ropes almost instantly.
I was lead into an easier way of earning from right here on WF a number of months back.
Now i receive my google earnings monthly. So, dont give up cos you know a lot about IM to just throw it away.

Man you should only try to teach what you already know. It makes me feel sick seeing newbies trying to tell others how to make money online. Being a newbie a understand your frustrations but deceiving people is not the way to make money. Find anything you are good at and look if there is a market for that online. Trust me when you really know what you are talking about people reading it will feel it

Peace

Seemingly all those bashing the OP's site are missing my post above

Thanks, Steven for explaining so eloquently what I was trying to suggest with 2 links

Steven W. has given you great advice.

It will not be easy. It will be a lot of work. You will not make money quickly.

But you can really build something worth having.

Most are not willing to do what it takes... Are you?

So what I'm seeing here is that The Dotcom Hippie and Anonymous Affiliate are saying is that they're above such 'newbie' ideas and pitfalls such as the Plug-in-profits ideas.

Yeah, you guys have NEVER tried selling something you knew nothing about?

You never had absolutely NO CLUE as to what you should really be doing with the time you had?

Quit being full of yourselves here. This OP genuinely thought this was the magical 'save-all' process that would make him his hundreds or thousands online. Like so many other people out there.

Most of which don't have any idea this forum exists or the pure amount of information here.

OP, my suggestion to you is this. Read through the links in this thread (the ones that still work anyways) and get an idea of what you Need to do. IT covered everything for the newbies out there, and it defintely helped me when I was getting out of that phase that you are in now.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-new-read.html

Steven has offered some great advice, as have other marketers.

This hasn't worked for you, you tried your best for 11 months. Its time to let that old dog die and look for a new puppy to raise up.

-Sean

I have visited the site He is not trying to scam anyone and bashing is just plain stupid shows your own lack of character.
John you have received some extremely useful advice and we are here to help just revamp things make it plain as to what your offering and don't have so many ads on your site it's like saying well if you don't like this what about this. as for knowledge knowledge itself puffs itself up it has to be tempered with experience so i completely disagree with the above statements directed at John show some character man. if you don't like what John is doing move on don't cut him down because he is frustrated how would you feel if you had started and did what others told you and yet never made any cash when everyone said you would maybe he was scammed but he is not scamming. you pissed me off anonymous affiliate,dot com hippie (don't see the post now) how dare you attack this fellow at all shut the heck up if you can't help him. no one asked for your 2 cents worth anyhow!
Geesh!
-WD

Conversion Chicken might be your best bet. For $20 a month, it gives you mind-bogglingly powerful multivariate testing that's relatively simple to implement.

I strongly recommend getting it. And if you can find a copy of Tellman Knudson & Joe Lavery's audio "My First Conversion" course, it'll give you all you need to know about choosing headlines & bulleted lists for your testing. Good good stuff. Don't know if it's still available anywhere, though.

In the "For What It's Worth" category, it's easy to understand why people new to this pick the make money online niche.

I mean think about it for a second. You've just plunked down some cash for a system that's going to make you rich and you are so hyped over the idea it's all you think about.

And the nice guy you just paid gives you your very own personal affiliate link!

You know you made the right decision and you're fired up, it ought to be easy to sell.

Well DUH.

And that's why there are so many people telling you how to make money online without ever having made a cent themselves. I don't blame them, I blame the predators who take their money in the first place.

But you really don't need to be an expert when you start. I stumbled onto a health niche that I knew nothing about. Did a few days research and lurking in forums and now do OK selling through article marketing. You can't be an idiot but you don't have to have a degree in your niche either.

From what I remember you've asked several questions about your site. Have you implemented any of the suggestions you were given in previous threads?

Hi.

All I have to say is this: a real winner never quits, a quitter never wins.

You sir, fail.

Kthxbye.

Hi,

I am not that experienced, or rich, or even clever.

But I put this on my wall and after an embarrassingly long time, (in which I didn't give in) eventually discovered how to make a few quid.

"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to the convictions of honor and good sense."

Winston Churchill October 29th 1941

Listen to the good advice here, and keep going. You can do it.

Best wishes,

Ruth

That, Steven, was what I got at earlier.

With enough effort, ANYTHING is possible. When someone gives everything to what they want to happen, it should definitely happen.

Anyone can be cut out for any business, job, school, what have you that they want, but they need to put their all and everything they have into making it a reality.

Almost 6 Years I've been doing internet marketing, I've prolly made a total of $450 over those years. Has it happened for me yet?

Hell no. I'm nowhere near where I want to be in life.

Can it happen?

Hell yes, I just need to do a little more growing up, planning, and putting my all into this. I know it works, I've seen it work.

But I havn't given it everything I had. Nowhere near that, actually.

I hate writing, with an absolute passion. I think that is my biggest downfall. Yet, when I finish an article or review for myself, it feels very good and I feel accomplished. However, I forget that feeling the next time I have to write.

I'm rambling, but I suppose you'd have to say I was scared to put my nose all the way onto the grinding stone and just make it happen.

OP, check the link I sent you earlier, learn how to market yourself and what you want others to see. Learn to sell, drive traffic, convert, etc etc etc.

But learn to have fun doing it.

Hmmm. Been doing IM for less than a year and you ready to throw in the towel already? Boy have you been misinformed about this industry. Take everything you have learned, and do something different. You already know what does NOT work, so spend the next year testing out new methods that may work. If you give up now, or even in 3 months, you guarantee yourself to fail. Period. IM is not for the faint of heart.

Many people are dreamers and my comment advising the OP to quit may have hurt some people's feelings.

The truth is that 95% of people will not be making $300 per month online.

You can state all of the motivational phrases you like, but the truth is that the internet of 2009 is as tough as any normal brick and mortar business.

Many people are hung up and dreaming on living the internet lifestyle pomoted by the gurus. The truth though is that without solid marketing skills, you just will not succeed. There is just far too much competition these days. You truly need to be good to beat all of the other dreamers wanting the internet lifestyle.

Most people may be offended by my dream busting post because they are probably also promoting some MMO product themselves, even though they also have never made a dime.

Anybody who has been online a few years can just laugh at the quality of the most popular courses being sold currently. Affiliates cross promote each other and the lies keep getting perpetuated.

Look at how well Forex Robot applications do on Clickbank for example. People think they can earn like Goldman Sachs traders by just buying a $97 FX trading robot. The IM field is not that different.

I know a few successful people and all of them make their money offline. So perhaps the OPs talents could be more effective elsewhere.

All of this nonsense about people succeeding "just about when they are about to quit" is just a dream. Most people WILL fail and statistically, you are likely to be one of the.

So fail fast and move forward to something that you may actually be good at.

For the same reason you are probably. To help and be helped.
Knowing when to quit and move on takes maturity and wisdom. I have that and I am just passing it on.

Real War is not like a video game and real life is not like a Hollywood movie. A lot of younger people seem to get mixed up these days.


Apollo

One problem is the first thing the OP did was choose a domain name - and he had to choose one before he had any experience in searching for keywords.

So he's ranked high - for a phrase that no one searches for. It gives a sense of accomplishment but also frustration when the high ranking doesn't result in sales. Ranking is easy because no one is competing for low search terms. (according to seobook - we're talking 12 searches a day).

If what you have done for 11 months has not resulted in a site that pays for its own hosting and programs....something is wrong! Continuing to bang your head against a wall doesn't break the wall - it breaks your head!

If the OP has fully participated in the programs for his site, he is paying a healthy amount each month to remain upgraded in mlm's, pay for rather expensive hosting, etc. I think it's good he has to question what he's doing but the answer is not finding money to pay for his site each month.

kay

I wrote this not too long ago for people who are thinking about quitting internet marketing...

Mr. Flutter and Mrs. Dread

Maybe it'll help you, maybe not, but I know it's helped some.

Jay Jennings

I'm still very much a newbie but I think some of your problem is Branding. If I said to you give me your money and I'll give a magical thing that will make your fortune. Would you?
Of course not, but if Bill Gates said it! As far as I can see people tend to buy from people they know and trust. Your site dosn't identify you at all.

I think in Steven's situation about the music writing, which was really interesting, by the way, luck played a role. Some people in the entertainment industry just get lucky. For example, Aston Kuchter (sp?) had no acting experience yet he walked right in to this first acting audition which happened to be "That 70s Show," played the role a bit different than what they actually wanted, kind of accidentally gave the directors a better idea for how the role could be played and so he got it. He admits he was very lucky.

Of course, though, talent will show whether on the first time or the 100th time, it will eventually show, so you could say it was just recognized early. However, I think there are probably a lot of great songs out there that just don't become popular because of luck. I mean, we all have heard some pretty ****e songs on the radio, to be sure.

Anyway, I am rambling...

In the end, with internet marketing business endeavours, luck rarely plays a role. It can happen, and you see stories like that happen here where someone accidentally made $5000 for posting one link and had no idea that would happen, but those are extremely rare. Sometimes, these kinds of lucky results can never be reproduced no matter what. In the end, it just takes hard work, a stiff upper lip, and perseverance.

Don't give up. I have learned some great things pertaining to internet marketing but in that....I still don't have a clue on alot of things. But I am not gonna give up, I don't care how long it takes me. Hell, If I have to keep working a regular job, coming up short on bills and what not, I can't quit even though it's not enough most times, so quitting this is out of the question for me. At least with application, motivation, and training, Internet Marketing has the potential of making major dough...giving up...once we give up, that's it. The game is over as long as we work towards this with confidence, everything will eventually pan out. Stick with it...we are gonna spend time busting our backs working a job, watching tv, and doing a whole lot of other stuff that doesn't make any sense at all let alone making dollars but at least this right here that we are all working on together, we have the potential to make the kind of dough that makes any man or woman feel fuzzy on the inside.

First you need to quit trying to make it on ONE web site.

Even a good marketer is going to fail with most of what they do. Some projects are just destined for the cyber junk heap.

Move on the the next project. Finish it and then move on to the next. Repeat the process continually building on your successes. Leave the failures where they are because eventually they will produce something. Even one sale a month will cover any expenses.

It's a lot better to find two things that work out of ten than to spend your life on one thing that may never work. Especially when you are trying to teach people how to do what you can't do yourself.

Good luck.

Well, i believe i have created a hell of a thread here. The bottomline is make it work or quit within the next three months.

Hey John,

I read the warrior forums occasionally but don't post too often as you can see. Your post forced me to reply. I have to say that if I was you I wouldn't quit, particularly if you love what you're doing.

I think it's all about learning and testing and trying new things. Your readers just want to know that you are real. They want to know that you are sincere in trying to help them. In order to demonstrate that you really need to be trying to help them as much as you possibly can.

With some consistent and highly valuable content you could be making huge money in a couple years especially if your intentions are good.

Building a profitable business in an extremely competitive environment won't happen as quick as you would like it to.

Remain dedicated and genuinely help as many people as you can and the money will come in droves with time. Work with your mind and your heart.

Ok, here is my serious reply to this thread. OP, Pay Attention! Hope you read it or I've wasted my time.

Here is how you make money online. If you do this, and don't make any money, you suck. Seriously.

- The first thing you do is pick a market. Pick a market were money is being spent. The best markets are markets that solve some sort of problem or appeal to some urgent need.

How do you know if a market is good? Use google's keyword tool and see if people are actually searching for keywords related to the niche. Use exact match. If a lot of people are searching, good. It doesn't have to be millions of searchers but it's got to be some.

After you've determined if people are searching, you gotta find out if they are spending money on products. If no one is spending money there is not a lot of money to be made, obviously. How do you find out if money is being spent? Look around the web. Are a lot of products being sold in this category? Are a lot of people spending money on advertising? Look at google adwords. If a lot of people are bidding for the eywords related to the niche, that is a good sign. That means that they are making money (at least that's likely).

- Once you've find your niche, define your ideal customer. By that I mean, the person who is most likely to buy the product you'll be selling. Do some research and paint a picture of this person. How old is he/she, what gender, what are her problems, what is the language of the marketplace.

This is important to know, because if you don't know this then your conversions are likely going to suck. Your landing page needs to communicate with your target customer, and you have to convince them that what you are selling is offering the specific benefits that they are looking for/solving their problems.

- Set up your site. If you are doing SEO you obviously have to determine what sort of keywords to target first. For this I reccomend you target long tails obviously, but what I reccomend is that you target buying eywords as these will get you higher conversions. By this I mean words like xyz review/buy xyz/zys comparison etc.

Look at the other guys in the marketplace and take ideas from what they are doing when creating your sites. No need to reinvent the wheel.

- Drive traffic to your site for testing purposes. Doesn't really matter what sort of traffic but paid traffic is best because it is the most targeted traffic.

Analyze the results from this. Are you making any money? If yes, that's good. If not, you'll have to look at why not. Could be a lot of reasons. Anyway if you are not making any money, here's what I would do. Tae 3 or 4 different styles of landing pages, and split test them against each other. I would use the same styles other marketers within the niche use. Then, drive some paid traffic to the LP's. If you're still not maing any money, give up. Pick another niche.

You see, you want to test your site with paid traffic before using time on SEO. If your site can't convert paid traffic, then SEO is a waste of time.

If you on the other hand are making money, feel free to do SEO. Just make sure you check the competition and don't try to rank for ''weight loss''.

4. By now you've tested your site and are getting some conversions. Now what?

You need to be split testing your landing pages still. Like I said earlier, you should split test 4-5 different styles of landing pages and see which one converts the better. Once you have a winner, you test variations of this winner. This never really stops. You always have to be testing unless you are lazy and want to leave money on the table.

Some tips for LP's: Define the specific action you want the visitors to take, and focus on only that. have a strong attention grabbing headline, you only have a couple of seconds to get visitors attention. Keep the layout clean and avoid too much clutter. Preferably remove sidebars and links to external pages. Use a strong call to action, in fact use several.

When you have a winning LP, you scale up the traffic. You can do this by seo, articles, paid traffic, whatever. I like paid traffic because of scaleability.

You should also test your advertising. Test your ad copy. Test your title tags and meta descriptions. Test traffic sources. Test, test, test.

When doing paid media just make sure you get your targeting straight so you don't waste money. And make sure you track everthing so you can optimize properly.

So in short, pick a winning market, find a good offer, split test landing pages, split test advertising, scale and split test traffic sources. Scale as far as you can, then once you are maxed out move to a new niche if you have time.

Focus is really important, you got to focus your attention on one thing at a time, if not you are shooting yourself in the foot.

I don't now why I'm telling you this but whatever. Probably because reading for my exam is boring as hell. Anyway those are my 0.03$. Take action on it, or not. Your choice.

I know how you feel and think about quiting every day!

I have taken in up to $60,000 to $90,000 a month on line and it is getting harder and more expensive by the day. I just canceled my Google and Yahoo adwords accounts and am getting the money back for them, as the pricing has gotten so out of line, they really are not worth the cost any longer. In my opinion anyway.

Yes, I had many long tailed keywords, and have followed all the rules for years now, but I have decided to take a good hard look at other options. And now that Google is monitizing Youtube, that is heading the same way as google, out of price range. Not there yet, but heading that direction and expect it to be there in the next couple of years.

Bottom line is that the big companies are starting to get what they wanted. They wanted the costs to be so high for the small businesses to operate on the internet that they could again not compete with the big companies and this is happening as I write this post.

Not meaning to sound synical here, but I guess I am.

My list is good, but getting weaker by the day and getting harder to get anyone to buy anything. And the truth is, I am not happy with what is being offered to sell my list, as most of the programs are either junk, or good and leave out some of the major ingredients necessary for them to work the way they are stated to work and this has been going on for years, and not just lately.

It doesn't appear that you are actually spending any money to amount to anything, so you do have a leg up and should seriously consider building yourself a Social Media Hub or Wheel or as I like to call it a Solar System, which again is not expensive and can help build a list and trust, but takes an enormus amount of time and yes, you can pay others to build your Solar System for you, but I have tried many different people from many different countries and it seems like it is getting to be all the same, they want the business, but when it comes to actually doing the work they agreed to do for the money you are paying them, they are extremely lax and cut every corner they can, which doesn't sit well with me, as I fully expect to get what I paid for or agreed to pay for, which is what I do myself and expect others to do the same, but it doesn't appear to work that way any longer, or maybe I am just to old now and remember the old work ethic, and that doesn't apply anymore, not even in my own family, I have to admit.

Okay, well, have been called to dinner and certainly don't want to miss that, as with the way the government is spending our money lately, we may not have the luxery of the past or present, so take advantage of what you have now, as I don't expect it to last much longer, maybe a few years, but they cannot keep spending Trillions and expect everything to keep going the way it has always gone, especially with the unemployment rate climbing and gross domestic product falling, it just can't continue.

Just the rantings of an old timer, but I have seen a lot and it just don't look to good at this point. God help us all and God bless America!!!

Is easier to break down than to build; that's one of the sayings of the Wise.

Nothing good comes easy - does that resound in your ears when the thoughts of quitting crosses your mind?

I will admonish you to persevere and stay FOCUSED to your course.

Give up already, without any more whining. Or stick with it, and change your attitude. You have a huge opportunity, and nobody cares if you don't like the learning curve,

Also, I agree with the comments about you trying to make money with a product that claims to teach others how to make money. If your product is any good; follow it, and make money. If not, find something that doesn't suck, and sell it.

You only have managed 1 product in a year? You need to follow this.

promote ---> fail ---> move on.

promote ---> success ---> scale up.

Yup! Quit whining and do something else. Within this forum you have many MANY systems you can follow: pick one. Affiliate marketing, CPA, hell write articles or something just to get cashflow. Fast cash is CPA but long term may just be affiliate marketing. And if you don't know how to "do" websites, learn! With WordPress and the info here you can have a killer site + opt in form ready in an hour if that.

Keep going. Or don't. But either way, lose the pity party as all that does is sap your energy.

I woudn't quit if i were you. There are tons of support and good ideas on this forum.
It all requires patience and direction.
I believe most people on the thread have already pointed you in the right direction.

If you asking me, you shouldn`t give up. You made a long way so far.
There certainly are some things to be improved, like other warriors advised, but I just wanted to remind you that persistence always pays off.
Keep up the good spirit. Results will come when you least expect them. They have to come. Sooner or later. Just keep on going.

From looking at your sources, your redirects, amount of affiliate links on the site, very high bounce rate (nearly 90%), etc.. I would say you have some Google issues and perhaps have dabbled in some blackcap affairs out of desperation.

With the amount of backlinks you have from some relatively good sources and your site only having a PR of 2, ( I know pr doesn't matter but it does when it comes to finding if you have Google on your ass) I would say you have been flagged by Google.
You haven't been de-indexed but I would wager you are not held as any type of authority by Google except for advertisement presentation. Otherwise known as a banner farm.

The site could use some originality.
Taking a few sentences from your homepage and Googling them returns a plethora of sites containing the same exact sentences.

No one is going to successfully compete for such a niche in this fashion.

You say on your site:
However, the FREE home business ideas and online business opportunities listed here have passed an intensive screening process and is proven to work.

You tested these did you?
This goes back to a post mentioning some unethical practices where someone overlooked the mentioning of this.

IMHO it seems more should go into your content building than into your link building at this stage.
Clean up the site, get rid of the dupe content, post helpful information that is truly tried and tested (not what some ebook told you to post), look seriously at your SEO, and take some pride in what you are doing and forget all of those wonderful shortcuts that end up getting you lost.

As a teacher once told me about some copied homework, tear it up and present it to me with your ideas and your own words. That is what brings your uniqueness to your work. If I wanted to read Joe Blows work I would read the one that has his name on it.

Good luck in whichever way you choose.

Great another person who teaches people how to make money online but can't even make $300 in a month.

That's your problem.

Choose a different niche