Mechant Account Hell -- Have a Merchant Account? Please Help Me!!!!

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I have Authorize.net and its going great. I dont mind doing it.

The main problem I have is this:

A customer comes to buy my product, but they mistype their CC / address/ etc.. They then try again, and it works

But then they look at their bank account, and what happens is this: they see TWO pending charges on their CC statement.

The banks I guess do this as some security thing -- and of course one always drops off because only one truly went thru.

But I get customers harassing me that I am taking their money...

What do I say to the customers? Who do you say? Are other merchant account peopel out there familiar with this horrible issue?

How do the big boys do it on large transactions? Do I have some settings set up wrong?

Thanks so much
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  • Profile picture of the author BluRoze
    That's terrible. I hope it gets cleared up.
    I haven't had that experience, but I would explain what you just said to the customer (be very courteous and understanding) and if they are still upset, contact Authorize.net via email about the problem. If their reply is sufficient, forward it to the disgruntled customer.
    If Authorize.net doesn't clear up the problem with in a couple days (if even that long), I would just apologize profusely and refund the customer's money. Offer them something free as well. Make it 100% clear that you were not trying to rip them off.

    It's better to lose that money than have that customer bad mouthing you all over the place because he thinks you scammed him.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    Thanks...

    But this happens several times a DAY.

    Any other merchant account owners out there that suffer from this headache?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by The Oilman View Post

    I have Authorize.net and its going great. I dont mind doing it.

    The main problem I have is this:

    A customer comes to buy my product, but they mistype their CC / address/ etc.. They then try again, and it works

    But then they look at their bank account, and what happens is this: they see TWO pending charges on their CC statement.

    The banks I guess do this as some security thing -- and of course one always drops off because only one truly went thru.

    But I get customers harassing me that I am taking their money...

    What do I say to the customers? Who do you say? Are other merchant account peopel out there familiar with this horrible issue?

    How do the big boys do it on large transactions? Do I have some settings set up wrong?

    Thanks so much
    SOMEONE is doing something WRONG! First of all, if it doesn't go through, it will NOT show up as an actual charge!!!!!! SOME online systems DO show an auth as a pending.

    1. If they mistype their CC number, the polite and proper thing is to TELL them, and NOT run the credit card. It is a relatively little known fact that the last digit is a CHECK DIGIT! That means that, though you can't know what the right CC # is, you CAN determine that the number IS wrong!

    2. You apparently have an auth/capture system. It is a GOOD thing too, because you would otherwise be taking money from them by ALL measures! THIS means that if you, for some reason, DON'T accept the charge, you should VOID it! If you CAPTURE it, it IS taking their money. If you do NOTHING, the money will be held for a while.

    One more thing, some systems allow double charges. THAT is why many today disable the button after it is hit and/or say something like "This could take several minutes, PLEASE don't hit the button more than once."!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    SOMEONE is doing something WRONG! First of all, if it doesn't go through, it will NOT show up as an actual charge!!!!!! SOME online systems DO show an auth as a pending.

    Yes -- its never a REAL charge, but a pending charge, and it causes people to freak out.


    1. If they mistype their CC number, the polite and proper thing is to TELL them, and NOT run the credit card. It is a relatively little known fact that the last digit is a CHECK DIGIT! That means that, though you can't know what the right CC # is, you CAN determine that the number IS wrong!

    I am not sure what you mean by this. This is all automated, online. I am not running any CC's manually. THey are mistyping, and then typing correctly, creating two pending transactions: one that processes completely in a few days, and one that disappears.

    2. You apparently have an auth/capture system. It is a GOOD thing too, because you would otherwise be taking money from them by ALL measures! THIS means that if you, for some reason, DON'T accept the charge, you should VOID it! If you CAPTURE it, it IS taking their money. If you do NOTHING, the money will be held for a while.

    One more thing, some systems allow double charges. THAT is why many today disable the button after it is hit and/or say something like "This could take several minutes, PLEASE don't hit the button more than once."!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    Is there anyone else who has a hard time with this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Taylor French
    Back when I was struggling with money, I was on the customer end of this. The second authorization has taken my food money or even the money I needed for electricity before. I actually had my electricity shut off for over a week until the second authorization dropped off once because this happened to me. Most of the time the merchant will cooperate and work with the bank to get that authorization released, but sometimes they won't. Then it can take days to drop off if the merchant won't jump through your bank's hoops to get it released.

    I don't know what causes it, but it only happens with certain merchants. It's happened to me on recurring transactions, too. So it's not a mistake on my end.

    It's happened multiple times with certain merchants. For some reason, some systems are set up to do this now and then. Have you asked Authorize.net about it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      I remember having this issue when I started a dot com several years ago.

      From what I remember, it was called a Pledge I think, and I've had customers miss a detail or something on their address or name three or four times for a $300 item and call their bank and they think they are $1200 in the negative and then they call me freaking out for charging them $1200 for a $300 item.

      I'm not sure why it does this, I had a bank account that did this whenever I used my debit card as credit, and it would take like 72 hours for the pledge to be dropped... so that kind of sucked.

      I would suggest contacting your merchant and asking whats up.
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Regarding pending auth: just found an answer:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_hold

        Two ideas, Oilman:

        1. If you can't really do this on the actual order page requiring the card info,
        maybe post a message somewhere emphasizing the need to check the details
        one's posting before hitting the Submit or Order button. Unless that's already
        done?

        2. Put an online FAQ detailing about auth charges. Or done already as well?

        Oh, and changing this part since I found one answer with Authorize:

        http://www.authorize.net/support/kno...%26match%3Dand
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        David

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        • Profile picture of the author PaymentMaven
          A couple things...
          -- davezan's links to authorize.net shows good info
          -- Is authorize.net your provider AND your gateway? If it is only your gateway, then you could contact your merchant account provider for assistance. They should help you.
          -- some merchant account underwriters may look at your problems as a red flag for risk so you really need to make sure your merchant account provider knows about this issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    Yeah I have asked them and they say it happens with every transaction where the stuff is mistyped.

    Yeah I feel bad about it because my customers are really tight on money.

    I hear its more on the bank's side of things.

    I will ask Authorize.net again tmw.

    Thanks for your feedback
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  • Profile picture of the author The Oilman
    Yeah thanks man. Yeah I get curious how big boys do it for $1997 products...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I've had a merchant account for about 10 years, and I've never had that problem. That doesn't help you, but at least you know it isn't happening to everyone. On the bright side, you said it happens every day, so at least you're getting sales every day.
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    Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    Simple solution:

    A big, bold warning on the order page stating what you've outlined here.

    "Please ensure all fields are properly filled out. You will not be billed for purchases containing the wrong information, but those funds will be held for 72 hours. The banks do this, not us. Thanks, -Name"
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

      Simple solution:

      A big, bold warning on the order page stating what you've outlined here.

      "Please ensure all fields are properly filled out. You will not be billed for purchases containing the wrong information, but those funds will be held for 72 hours. The banks do this, not us. Thanks, -Name"

      But that would NOT be true! The 72 hour hold is because of the auth/capture. If you have them do multiple auths, and do NO voids or captures, the bank is NOT doing it! If the hold span were removed tomorrow, the credit card industry could COLLAPSE! It is REQUIRED for things like third party transactions. Take domain registration as an example! You HAVE to charge UP FRONT because, if you don't, you stand to lose EVERYTHING! People will get domains for FREE!!!!!!!! You HAVE to charge AFTER the transaction though because it CAN fail and, if it does, the customer is CHEATED!!!! The only DECENT way to do it is AUTH BEFORE, so you KNOW you can get the funds, and CAPTURE after because, if there IS a failure, you can VOID instead!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    the same sort of thing can actually happen with paypal too - if say you are on a subscription payment the sellers account is banned from making charges and is limited. They are informed that they are not allowed to take payments paypal will charge them anyway then refund it a couple of days later.

    kind regards


    sam
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  • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
    Well, this could never happen if they typed in the wrong credit card number, so don't even worry about that.
    You might want to try lowering you address verification security. See: http://www.authorize.net/support/mer...y_Settings.htm

    Or you could fix your script that does the authorization. When an address fails, you only need to to a CAPTURE transaction to complete it. It seems that your script is redoing the entire transaction and not voiding the original authorization.
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  • Profile picture of the author DenRomano
    To answer how the big guys do it is this. They create a customer record on there database. When the customer enters there credit card and AVS (address cerification System) information they authorize $1 (1 dollar). If the AVS matches they aurthorize the full amount. If it does not they ask for it again and again try $1 until it does.

    One other note. We have several merchant accounts with every major player. Cybersource owns Authorzie.net but has a neat feature that you maybe able to get. It is a "decline" on certain AVS return instead of a "authorize" . Say the AVS returns a "N" for no match instead of "authoring" the amount it does not and returns a "decline" instead.
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