How to do Joint Venture with Top Internet Marketers like Mike Filsaime and Ewen Chia

13 years ago

Make them a bunch of money, then call them and say "I am affiliate X that just made you $..... last month, I have an interesting product, could you take a look?"

If your product is any good he will mail for you.

Thats it...send him a bunch of sales.

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Rod Cortez 13 years ago

This thread will give you a good head start...... http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ht-my-eye.html

While I rarely market to IMers, over the years I've landed some monster JV deals in niches like dating, weight loss, how to coach little league, etc. by following what is discussed there. The same principles apply.

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jasondinner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

Make them a bunch of money, then call them and say "I am affiliate X that just made you $..... last month, I have an interesting product, could you take a look?"

If your product is any good he will mail for you.

Thats it...send him a bunch of sales.

This works like a charm.

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JAIDEEP2959 13 years ago

I have started Joint Ventures with smaller affiliates.

Wish me Good Luck.
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- Agung Prabowo 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959
  
  I have started Joint Ventures with smaller affiliates.
  
  Wish me Good Luck.
  
  IMHO there's no smaller affiliates mate
  i do lot of JV even with not big marketers name but i'm very satisfy because
  we not only do JV together but we more then friend more like family's
  
  and warriors is the best place you can start JV with others
  build your rep here and 'they' will look at you
  
  just my 2 cents,
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James Schramko

13 years ago

How can I contact them?
- Go to a live event

How can I convince them to promote my product?
- Get to know them first

Will they even read my Joint Venture request?
- Nope.

Will I need to do lot of follow up?
- Yes

Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?
- You would be giving it to them

I think you should aim for people who already have ebay lists of clients and start with lower expectations. It is most unlikely to happen otherwise.

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JamesPenn

13 years ago

I'd set your sites a bit lower for now.

Grab some "smaller" affiliates, such as the types of guys with a few thousand subscribers on their list. It's probably easier to get 100 of these types of marketers than to get one Filsaime, Reese or Kern.

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JAIDEEP2959

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesPenn

I'd set your sites a bit lower for now.

Grab some "smaller" affiliates, such as the types of guys with a few thousand subscribers on their list. It's probably easier to get 100 of these types of marketers than to get one Filsaime, Reese or Kern.

Hi James.

Thank you for the reply.

Where can I get 'smaller' affiliates with a few thousand subscribers?

These guys are not famous, how can I find them?

Mike Filsaime, Ewen Chia and Frank Kern are well known and trustworthy, so I can prefer them.

Please reply.

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Lance K 13 years ago

Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959

Where can I get 'smaller' affiliates with a few thousand subscribers?

These guys are not famous, how can I find them?

Try the Joint Venture sub forum here on WF.
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- JAIDEEP2959 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Lance K
  
  Try the Joint Venture sub forum here on WF.
  
  Thank you.
  
  I am going to do adswaps and joint venture with some warriors who have decent number of members in their list.
  
  Can you provide more websites like that please!
  
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Oxana

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesPenn

I'd set your sites a bit lower for now.

Grab some "smaller" affiliates, such as the types of guys with a few thousand subscribers on their list. It's probably easier to get 100 of these types of marketers than to get one Filsaime, Reese or Kern.

I strongly agree with JamesPenn plus smaller affiliate's it does not mean bad, they still will do the same job.

Oxana:p

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Lance K

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959

Hi Warriors,

I really appreciate efforts put by Top Internet Marketers to build huge lists and make big money online.

I would really like Top Internet Marketers to share my product with their list members.

Will they accept 70%-80% commission rate?
Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?

It's not your ebook they're interested in. Nobody's going to mail for you unless...

They know, like, and trust you
Your stuff is high quality
You can prove an acceptable visitor value
Your stuff is a good fit for their list
The timing is right

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

It's not your ebook they're interested in. Nobody's going to mail for you unless...

They know, like, and trust you
Your stuff is high quality
You can prove an acceptable visitor value
Your stuff is a good fit for their list
The timing is right

And one more... can you return the favour with equal return for them

They can see whats in it for you if they mail for you

they need to see whats in it for them... And dont say the commissions. They make commissions on any promotion they do. The bottom line needs to be what can you do for them

One other way is to see if they have a customer forum, go in there and answer customer support questions. reaaly make your self useful

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Neil Morgan

13 years ago

...or, longer term, build a reputation for yourself.

Then they'll contact you.

Cheers,

Neil

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JamesPenn

13 years ago

A few ways to find these types of guys:

1. Go to Google and type "internet marketing blog". There will be loads of marketers there building lists.

2. Go to EzineArticles.com and find articles in the Internet Business category, follow the links to their website.

3. Go to all the giveaway events that are happening. There will be a few hundred people there actively building their lists.

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JAIDEEP2959 13 years ago

Thank you for the incredible responses.

I have one more question?

Currently I am selling my product on Click2sell, Will it help if I submit it to Clickbank giving 75% commissions?

I know that Top Internet Marketers sell products of Clickbank. I do receive emails from them selling Clickbank products.

I am not sure whether they sell Clickbank products doing Joint Venture with respective vendors.

Please answer.
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Gee S

13 years ago

This is really good advice. Now I had a look at your sales page, and it does need a lot of work. I suggest you hire some here on this forum to redo it. You won't get many affiliate interested with a bland sales page.

Affiliates are more likely to join you in a JV if your material looks the part. They won't want to put in a lot of effort for your not to convert. I think before approaching anyone, have a look at your sales page and possibly your copy too. The more professional it looks, the better chance you'll have of getting more people promoting your product.

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by JamesPenn

A few ways to find these types of guys:

1. Go to Google and type "internet marketing blog". There will be loads of marketers there building lists.

2. Go to EzineArticles.com and find articles in the Internet Business category, follow the links to their website.

3. Go to all the giveaway events that are happening. There will be a few hundred people there actively building their lists.

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JAIDEEP2959

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MrEyeconic

This is really good advice. Now I had a look at your sales page, and it does need a lot of work. I suggest you hire some here on this forum to redo it. You won't get many affiliate interested with a bland sales page.

Gurpreet

Yes, I will definitely hire someone here on this forum to redo it.

Thank you.

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Daniel E Taylor

13 years ago

Here's an idea.

How about you learn how to market and grow a real
business and learn how to create value for others
and make money without having to get bailed out
by having somebody with a list email their list because
you lack the skills to market effectively and build your
own list and make your own money.

Why would someone promote one of your ebooks on how
to market or make money when it's evident you don't
know how to do it yourself or you wouldn't NEED them
to promote for you.

That's my 2 cents
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JAIDEEP2959

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

Here's an idea.

How about you learn how to market and grow a real
business and learn how to create value for others
and make money without having to get bailed out
by having somebody with a list email their list because
you lack the skills to market effectively and build your
own list and make your own money.

Why would someone promote one of your ebooks on how
to market or make money when it's evident you don't
know how to do it yourself or you wouldn't NEED them
to promote for you.

That's my 2 cents
Daniel

I am currently building a list.

But it will take time for me to build a huge list like Mike Filsaime and Ewen Chia.

That is why I decided to do Joint Venture.

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Riz

13 years ago

That's a little harsh Daniel.

I don't know Jaideep and do not know his ability to market his own product or build his own list, and on that note neither do you.

However, suggesting that if someone is looking for JV partners to promote their product and expand their business is not aware of how to market and grow a list is a little naive in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents.

Riz

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

Here's an idea.

How about you learn how to market and grow a real
business and learn how to create value for others
and make money without having to get bailed out
by having somebody with a list email their list because
you lack the skills to market effectively and build your
own list and make your own money.

Why would someone promote one of your ebooks on how
to market or make money when it's evident you don't
know how to do it yourself or you wouldn't NEED them
to promote for you.

That's my 2 cents
Daniel

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Banned 13 years ago

Offerindg 70% - 80% commissions will probably make them interested but if you want to have a sure winner, here's what you'll do:
Choose one of the real 'gurus' and offer him a partnetship in the business. Tell him that you'll make him a partnet and you'll both get equal share in the returns from the website over a period of one year. This will surely get him interested and he'll be totally committed to it. He'll then begin prooting the product to other 'gurus' within his reach who you'd NEVER had been able to contact.
That's how it works for a newbie to break into the elite. One word: Piggybacking!

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dimatrix

Offerindg 70% - 80% commissions will probably make them interested but if you want to have a sure winner, here's what you'll do:
Choose one of the real 'gurus' and offer him a partnetship in the business. Tell him that you'll make him a partnet and you'll both get equal share in the returns from the website over a period of one year. This will surely get him interested and he'll be totally committed to it. He'll then begin prooting the product to other 'gurus' within his reach who you'd NEVER had been able to contact.
That's how it works for a newbie to break into the elite. One word: Piggybacking!

That won't work - I wouldn't even be interested.

Why would someone with a successful business want to distract themselves helping you build your business?

We only 24 hours in a day and plenty of friends who need help, so why would we be interested in some stranger wanting to 'piggyback' on our success?

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WD Mino

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That won't work - I wouldn't even be interested.

Why would someone with a successful business want to distract themselves helping you build your business?

We only 24 hours in a day and plenty of friends who need help, so why would we be interested in some stranger wanting to 'piggyback' on our success?

Yup that is right Andy.

I approached a super affiliate one day and for some strange reason he answered me back . he gave me some pointers on how to approach one properly. but he declined my offer.

I learned from him what is expected.the best way to land a super affiliate is to not approach them.LOL . you are talking about Mike filsaime and others even Robert who spoke above would just delete your mail if you approached them without even knowing who they are . Robert is a very well known IM'er and in the same class as the ones you mentioned so even the fact he posted on here is something you should really listen to .

If anyone approaches me to do a jv i usually just Delete it although i have extended help in some cases where i have found them asking and they have shown some sort of integrity in their own practice that is what i love about this place here the WF and i am not in the class listed above.

One thing is these guys don't need your money at all and having them on your side is going to do way way more then you could do for them to begin with. if you go to a live even hosted by one or more of the big guys don't walk up to them and say hi my name is i run this and would like you to help me. so would everyone in the world like to capitalize on their success. make a name for yourself do your own dirty work and if your worth knowing and dealing with in time you will have relationships with them. it is all about relationship and not about commissions all they need to do is send an email and they make tons of cash so the best thing to do is ......

List your opportunity in affiliate programs have a good affiliate program that makes it worth their time.
treat your affiliates like gold because that is what they are
get yourself known-brand yourself
show integrity and quality in what you offer build an affiliate base pay on time every time and soon you will have some good affiliates helping to build your business . any other way is just not worth even trying.
if you begin generating 10's of thousands of dollars in merem months people will take notice and soo the big guys will contact you maybe give an opportunity to come to a summit or something small so they can personally meet and evaluate you people are always evaluating you whether you realize it or not
that is MO
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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Products

I learned from him what is expected.the best way to land a super affiliate is to not approach them.LOL . you are talking about Mike filsaime and others even Robert who spoke above would just delete your mail if you approached them without even knowing who they are . Robert is a very well known IM'er and in the same class as the ones you mentioned so even the fact he posted on here is something you should really listen to .
-WD

Well thanks for the compliment, but im not quite on their level yet

But your right, unless i have a prior relationship with you its almost impossible to get me or the others named to promote you.

Robert

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Daniel Brock

13 years ago

From what I can tell, you need a lot of things.

A product with massive commission.

A $47 product isn't going to cut it unless you can get it to convert like freaking crazy.

They want reoccurring commissions in a lot of cases.

You need to have more than a product.

You need a list - something you can reciprocate with.

I have changed directions from trying to get JVs from out of the blue to building a reputation for myself, building my own list, my own business first.

Once you have something you can work with, I think that you will find that you will get a lot more responsive JV requests.

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

From what I can tell, you need a lot of things.

A product with massive commission.

A $47 product isn't going to cut it unless you can get it to convert like freaking crazy.

They want reoccurring commissions in a lot of cases.

You need to have more than a product.

You need a list - something you can reciprocate with.

I have changed directions from trying to get JVs from out of the blue to building a reputation for myself, building my own list, my own business first.

Once you have something you can work with, I think that you will find that you will get a lot more responsive JV requests.

If you do it this way, and hit their top ten lists... they will come after you

And i have been in top ten lists with less than 20 sales

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Daniel Brock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

If you do it this way, and hit their top ten lists... they will come after you

And i have been in top ten lists with less than 20 sales

Thanks for confirming that for me.

I have spent too much time worrying about getting the big dawgs to promote for me that I wasnt really doing anything to do it myself.

It definitely makes much more sense to build up your own business first, then go around and see what you can do to leverage it, instead of just hoping and praying that some big guy will promote for you.

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Thanks for confirming that for me.

I have spent too much time worrying about getting the big dawgs to promote for me that I wasnt really doing anything to do it myself.

It definitely makes much more sense to build up your own business first, then go around and see what you can do to leverage it, instead of just hoping and praying that some big guy will promote for you.

i HAVE A LIST OF 160,000 i now wont promote for anyone if they wont agree to promote me back...

Thats a list big enough to leverage anyone (almost), in a casual conversation and your asked how big is your list now

oh 160 thousand or so...

REALLY.. we should do something together maybe we can work out a cross promotion

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Daniel Brock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

i HAVE A LIST OF 160,000 i now wont promote for anyone if they wont agree to promote me back...

Thats a list big enough to leverage anyone (almost), in a casual conversation and your asked how big is your list now

oh 160 thousand or so...

REALLY.. we should do something together maybe we can work out a cross promotion

Hah...yeah, that will do it.

Very cool though about the 160k list...Im working my way up there lol.

I was wondering your thoughts on doing ad swaps with other people in your niche to build up your list.

I wanted to wait until I was around 10k in list size before I do that, but I am seriously worried about burning out my list/pissing people off by sending too many promos out....

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mariochase 13 years ago

I heard about this strategy and thought it was pretty good:
- Access some of the Internet Marketing Guru's site and read all the testimonial. Access all the guys that have a website. Create a spreadsheet with all emails from this unknown Guru's.
- Offer them prizes to promote your offer.

If you want to get to the big affiliates. You need to offer them value. Sell a lot of products to them and than ask them for help. Everybody just go and ask for value, before giving value (that is a bad way of doing stuff).
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Hah...yeah, that will do it.

Very cool though about the 160k list...Im working my way up there lol.

I was wondering your thoughts on doing ad swaps with other people in your niche to build up your list.

I wanted to wait until I was around 10k in list size before I do that, but I am seriously worried about burning out my list/pissing people off by sending too many promos out....

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A very emphatic yes you should do that adswaps are gold...

if you have a smaller list than them then offer 2 emails from you in return for one from them... If you had a membership site setup there are all sorts of other ads you can throw into the mix to get bigger guys to swap with you

login pages and log out pages, and in an affiliate area etc are all places people like me will take as a swap.

In fact i would give my right arm to be on other peoples log in pages

Robert

PS: one other thing they will all be looking to see if you have the marketing process all set up, they will want to see you have a funnel, offers etc to maximise them sending you their list. Based on discussions in here previously from you... that might mean you changing the way you do business.

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Daniel Brock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

A very emphatic yes you should do that adswaps are gold...

if you have a smaller list than them then offer 2 emails from you in return for one from them... If you had a membership site setup there are all sorts of other ads you can throw into the mix to get bigger guys to swap with you

login pages and log out pages, and in an affiliate area etc are all places people like me will take as a swap.

In fact i would give my right arm to be on other peoples log in pages

Robert

PS: one other thing they will all be looking to see if you have the marketing process all set up, they will want to see you have a funnel, offers etc to maximise them sending you their list. Based on discussions in here previously from you... that might mean you changing the way you do business.

Thank you sir! You've been quite helpful

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

I've been marketing online for almost 7 years.

I have a responsive list of thousands.

I've reached 6 figures 3 years straight.

I couldn't get Mike Filsaime to spit on my shoes let alone do a JV with me.

You need to look to people in your OWN league.

Why should somebody who is successful want ANYTHING to do with YOU?

What do YOU have to offer besides a product?

Please...anybody can give Mike or Frank or any of those guys that.

It's time to come down to the real world.

Hell, I wouldn't even look at your product or return your email.

What reputation do you have? I don't even know who the hell you are?

(Above for effect)

Okay, now that I've said all that, sorry to come down on you so hard
but essentially what I did was the same thing they do with defendants of
crimes when they do mock trials and show them what the prosecuting
attorney is going to do with them if they take the stand.

The above tirade is the reality of what you're up against.

That is the real attitude you are going to run into, not because these
people are SOBs but because they are busy and have no time for you.

I can't put it any plainer than that. If you think you're going to get a JV
with somebody making 7 figures a year, you are seriously delusional and
somebody has to knock some sense into you.

So while a lot of people here are going to rag on me for being such an
SOB in this thread, sometimes tough love is what a person needs.

Now...having said all that...here is what you do.

You have peers...people on the same level as YOU.

Contact them.

Get to know them FIRST on a personal level. Offer to do something for
them...no strings attached.

In other words, you make the first move to do for them first.

They will feel almost obligated to do something in return.

What's that you say? If they're on the same level as you then they have
nothing to offer?

How do you know?

Maybe between the two of you, or the three of you or however many
people you get together, you can work hard enough to create something
that turns the three of you into the next Filsaime, Kern and Walker or
whoever.

But don't expect a big marketer to make YOU a success.

And let me tell you something, JVs sometimes aren't what they're
cracked up to be. There is no guarantee that a big name marketer is
going to make you a ton of sales, especially if your product is crap.

And even if it's not, if his list isn't the right fit, again...failure.

I've had JVs that blew up in my face big time. In fact, I don't even do
them anymore. I make more money on my own.

Stand up on your own two feet...do the work...and make your own name.

That's the best advice you're going to get here.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I've been marketing online for almost 7 years.

I have a responsive list of thousands.

I've reached 6 figures 3 years straight.

I couldn't get Mike Filsaime to spit on my shoes let alone do a JV with me.

You need to look to people in your OWN league.

Why should somebody who is successful want ANYTHING to do with YOU?

What do YOU have to offer besides a product?

Please...anybody can give Mike or Frank or any of those guys that.

It's time to come down to the real world.

Hell, I wouldn't even look at your product or return your email.

What reputation do you have? I don't even know who the hell you are?

(Above for effect)

Okay, now that I've said all that, sorry to come down on you so hard
but essentially what I did was the same thing they do with defendants of
crimes when they do mock trials and show them what the prosecuting
attorney is going to do with them if they take the stand.

The above tirade is the reality of what you're up against.

That is the real attitude you are going to run into, not because these
people are SOBs but because they are busy and have no time for you.

I can't put it any plainer than that. If you think you're going to get a JV
with somebody making 7 figures a year, you are seriously delusional and
somebody has to knock some sense into you.

So while a lot of people here are going to rag on me for being such an
SOB in this thread, sometimes tough love is what a person needs.

Now...having said all that...here is what you do.

You have peers...people on the same level as YOU.

Contact them.

Get to know them FIRST on a personal level. Offer to do something for
them...no strings attached.

In other words, you make the first move to do for them first.

They will feel almost obligated to do something in return.

What's that you say? If they're on the same level as you then they have
nothing to offer?

How do you know?

Maybe between the two of you, or the three of you or however many
people you get together, you can work hard enough to create something
that turns the three of you into the next Filsaime, Kern and Walker or
whoever.

But don't expect a big marketer to make YOU a success.

And let me tell you something, JVs sometimes aren't what they're
cracked up to be. There is no guarantee that a big name marketer is
going to make you a ton of sales, especially if your product is crap.

And even if it's not, if his list isn't the right fit, again...failure.

I've had JVs that blew up in my face big time. In fact, I don't even do
them anymore. I make more money on my own.

Stand up on your own two feet...do the work...and make your own name.

That's the best advice you're going to get here.

Actually I think you have a better well known name than you know and i am pretty certain he would spit on your shoes.

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um1001 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

That is the real attitude you are going to run into, not because these
people are SOBs but because they are busy and have no time for you.

Steven, while I don't always agree with the abrasiveness of your reality-injecting posts, they sure do get the point across well

I do think you make a fantastic point about offering something no-strings attached. Far too many people are looking for a free ride on the coat-tails of some of these big names and offering something TRULY no-strings is an effective way to be useful (to anyone, not just your Mike Filsaimes or Ewen Chias) Developing relationships is an important part of this business. Even more important is developing a real business.

Truth be told, I doubt very seriously you could develop this kind of relationship by an unsolicited e-mail. You have to offer something of incredible value.
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7_8_shortcuts

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dimatrix

Offerindg 70% - 80% commissions will probably make them interested but if you want to have a sure winner, here's what you'll do:
Choose one of the real 'gurus' and offer him a partnetship in the business. Tell him that you'll make him a partnet and you'll both get equal share in the returns from the website over a period of one year. This will surely get him interested and he'll be totally committed to it. He'll then begin prooting the product to other 'gurus' within his reach who you'd NEVER had been able to contact.
That's how it works for a newbie to break into the elite. One word: Piggybacking!

I love Jimmy Brown too :-) That's some good advice here but... you'll still need a great product first with a solid conversion rate and long-term market value, otherwise no big name will take a look at your stuff.

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Hardi Wijaya

13 years ago

Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts

I love Jimmy Brown too :-) That's some good advice here but... you'll still need a great product first with a solid conversion rate and long-term market value, otherwise no big name will take a look at your stuff.

I don't want to pick a debate over here. But... sure... but how much does this reflect the reality?

The world isn't ruled by many intelligent guys, because they're defeated by their own intelligence too many times. Anyway... forget what I mumble...

Ok. Here's a history...

There was a time... a kid shocked the IM industry with an average product. It's not even written by him. Yet many top guys of that time endorsed him. What made him so famous and rich?

Btw, I'm not talking about the new kid on the block from the Spore

Great product? Sure. But there's something else...

Answer -- BIG IDEAS

If you've an outstanding product, but don't have BIG IDEAS to benefits the JV partners, you'll fail.

Hey, it's going to year 2010, and the top guys want BIGGER IDEAS. Those old ideas won't entice them anymore.

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13 years ago

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

oh come on steven... Im sure Mike would be glad to spit on your shoes hahahahahaha

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

oh come on steven... Im sure Mike would be glad to spit on your shoes hahahahahaha

At what he makes per hour, the cost wouldn't be worth it to him.

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WD Mino

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

At what he makes per hour, the cost wouldn't be worth it to him.

Lol . i dunno steven Mike is a pretty good guy he might.lol

I am with you steven i think that there is a misconception Surrounding big names.

Mike i know has worked his @ off and if anyone wants to make it they need to do the same i don't look at them and say oh i wish i was like that i look at them and say make room wd is on the fast track!

I guess I never have understood about the celebrity thing i have some pro hockey friends and they are just normal guys they don't want people running after them snapping their picture or whatever i don't know i mean it is the same principle when i was 17 i was pro calliber goaltender but if i walked into an arena with the likes of let's use an example of linden messier and kidd and said ok guys i am here help me get a billion dollar contract they would not only laugh at me they would remember me and never want anything to do with me so the potential i went in with now becomes amounted to nothing even though i figured they would know the best way -hypothetical situation i never did that.

I did however have many of them come around me support me and offer tips because i worked my @ off i messed it all up of course went to jail and the rest they say is history but the fact is no one is going to do it for you and to be blunt why the hell would you want to piggy back on anyone for crying out loud i am not here to make other people even more well known or more rich i am here to get mine and support my family and finally be free from the crap of life.

I don't want someone else's success i want my own and then some i don't know how to write sales copy very well i got a few programs to help me but it never comes out or across as some grabber but i don't ask someone to do it for me i have to learn so i can do it again and again and again. i have a website that has not converted yet i don't come in here and say hey help what am i doing wrong i choose to figure it out myself so that when it happens i will know.

I dunno I am going off i guess, but what the hell, who cares if others have success if you want their success ....then get at her and get er done or get over it and get on with it. either way work your @ off make some friends, help others <--- i am sure i will make a lot with this). get your head on straight and when the trials come go right through them be an icebreaker not a pimple
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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WD Products

Lol . i dunno steven Mike is a pretty good guy he might.lol

I am with you steven i think that there is a misconception Surrounding big names.

Mike i know has worked his @ off and if anyone wants to make it they need to do the same i don't look at them and say oh i wish i was like that i look at them and say make room wd is on the fast track i guess i never have understood about the celebrity thing i have some pro hockey friends and they are just normal guys they don't want people running after them snapping their picture or whatever i don't know i mean it is the same principle when i was 17 i was pro calliber goaltender but if i walked into an arena with the likes of linden messier and kidd and said ok guys i am here help me get a billion dollar contract they would not only laugh at me they would remember me and never want anything to do with me so the potential i went in with now becomes amounted to nothing even though i figured they would know the best way -hypothetical situation i never did that. i did however have many of them come around me support me and offer tips because i worked my @ off i messed it all up of course went to jail and the rest they say is history but the fact is no one is going to do it for you and to be blunt why the hell would you want to piggy back on anyone for crying out loud i am not here to make other people even more well known or more rich i am here to get mine and support my family and finally be free from the crap of life i don't want someone elses success i want my own and then some i don't know how to write sales copy very well i got a few programs to help me but it never comes out or across as some grabber but i don't ask someone to do it for me i have to learn so i can do it again and again and again. i have a website that has not converted yet i don't come in here and say hey help what am i doing wrong i choose to figure it out myself so that when it happens i will know. i dunno i am going off i guess but what the hell who cares if others have success if you want their success then get at her get er done or get over it and get on with it. either way work your @ off make some friends <--- i am sure i will make a lot with this) and get your head on straight and when the trials come go right through them be an icebreaker not a pimple
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WD, I would have loved to have read your reply but I couldn't.

Just a friendly suggestion...paragraphs.

Makes it a lot easier on the eyes.

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Istvan Horvath 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

WD, I would have loved to have read your reply but I couldn't.

Yes, I also gave up after a few lines...

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Just a friendly suggestion... paragraphs.

+ proper punctuation + proper capitalization
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Daniel Brock

13 years ago

Steven,

Awesome post man. I think you hit the nail on the head with that(with the limited experience that I have).

I don't think you were too brutal at all. In fact, it required that to get your point across.

It's true. Big guys don't care about your product. They get dozens of JV requests from product makers every day im sure. Im sure some of their requests are insanely well put together too.

So how could you possibly stand out unless you have:

a) high ticket items to sell that convert extremely well
b) insane sales process
c) the ability to return the favor
d) already known in the market

A lot of people say:

'Just go out there, develop relationships, get some JVs, spend all your time doing that and you will make it big in no time.'

'Screw steps, do it all in one big go with JVs'

Those people underestimate(or have no clue) as to how hard it is to do that.

You can't just go onto someones blog or twitter account and be like 'lets JV!' (unless of course they are one of your peers).

But a big dog will probably stop reading as soon as he sees the words 'let's do a JV' in the same sentence.

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Robert Puddy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Steven,

So how could you possibly stand out unless you have:

a) high ticket items to sell that convert extremely well
b) insane sales process
c) the ability to return the favor
d) already known in the market

You left one out... Doesnt work 100% of the time but enough to make it worth doing...

Do them a favour like write a user manual for there product, or a manual their affiliates could use to sell there product and give it to them no strings attached.

When they launch a new product they are likely to approach you to do the user manual for them, when they do you have them in a position where it would be very difficult for them to say no when you ask for a favour in return.

remeber dont ask when you do the original manual, just wait for them to ask you to do another...

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Sylvia Meier

13 years ago

Steven,
I think your post is dead on.

You have to stand out from the crowd that bombard them with offers everyday. Think of their JV offers coming in the way your normal IM emails come in. They get more than enough each day.

You need to make your JV offer about THEM. What are you bringing to the table, other than yourself and your product. They can promote any number of products, so it isn't always the cash (not that the price point, and commission don't play a part in them taking up the offer.)

Are you giving them EVERYTHING they need to promote? Case studies, autoresponders, audio, videos everything they could possibly need to take the least amount of THEIR time to promote your product. Let them know what you have for them, what you've done to make their lives easier.

Can you make them an offer they can't resist? Throw in a trip to Vegas or something if they promote to their list? (Of course, you wouldn't wanna do this on really low end products, but on the higher end ones, just a single mailing to some big boy lists would more than pay for the enticement.)

Don't email them. Get on their list, find their real address or somewhere to contact them by mail, and contact them that way. Send them the offer they can't resist in a means no longer done, stand out from the crowd. Send them a handwritten letter, with why they should promote your offer, your conversion rates, how you've made those sales (method of promotion), what items you have to make their promotions simplier etc, what you are willing to offer over and above the sales to make them really want to say YES.

If you want the big boys, you gotta bring the big bait to the table, give them the offer they CAN'T refuse.

Just my 2 cents.
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maksym

13 years ago

I completely agree that the best way to approach TOP GURUs on the market is to give
something in return.
For example, I had one situation that I found a loophole during product launch from one very known IM Guru. I contacted their support service and informed them about that. After that he contacted me personally.
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MJ Sterling

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959

Hi Warriors,

I really appreciate efforts put by Top Internet Marketers to build huge lists and make big money online.

I would really like Top Internet Marketers to share my product with their list members.

How can I contact them?

How can I convince them to promote my product?

Will they even read my Joint Venture request?

Will they accept 70%-80% commission rate?

Will I need to do lot of follow up?

Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?

Please reply.

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If the answers where that easy we'd all be running JV's with the big guns.

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maksym 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MJ Sterling

If the answers where that easy we'd all be running JV's with the big guns.

Yeap... that is 100% true
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13 years ago

In short..... Build it, and they will come. True story ;-)

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Jill Carpenter 13 years ago

Originally Posted by markgilbert

In short..... Build it, and they will come. True story ;-)

Mark, you have a message on your FB page.

On what was said:

Do you have the product in place?

Put yourself in the shoes of the guys who you want promoting you.

If you were them, and you got an email from you, how would you expect it to look? Would you just open up to everyone who had an offer?

You need to target who you are going to ask to JV with, you need to know them and what you can offer them, and you need to present it in a highly professional manner.
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13 years ago

The one way to get any one to support your efforts is to have a vision that people identify with and can get inspired/excited by.

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JAIDEEP2959

13 years ago

Just for testing purpose, I made a Joint Venture request to Ewen Chia.

Support team will forward my offer to Ewen Chia.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959

Just for testing purpose, I made a Joint Venture request to Ewen Chia.

This is the email I received :

That reply seems like you dont have a good chance of getting your offer to him.

you will need to bypass the support team and try to talk to him directly.

dont try to act big shot either. try maybe more as a fan. and ask for a few seconds of his time. at the end of your conversation try to get his direct email and ph to contact him directly if you ever have anymore questions

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JAIDEEP2959 13 years ago

Originally Posted by actionplanbiz

you will need to bypass the support team and try to talk to him directly.

Can you explain how can I talk to him directly?

Support team suggested me to wait for his reply.
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Raydal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by actionplanbiz

That reply seems like you dont have a good chance of getting your offer to him.

you will need to bypass the support team and try to talk to him directly.

dont try to act big shot either. try maybe more as a fan. and ask for a few seconds of his time. at the end of your conversation try to get his direct email and ph to contact him directly if you ever have anymore questions

I never think it is a good policy to post an email in a public forum without asking the sender, even if you think it is generic.

Maybe it's just me.

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Glenn Leader

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Raydal

I never think it is a good policy to post an email in a public forum without asking the sender, even if you think it is generic.

Maybe it's just me.

-Ray Edwards

I was thinking that Ray when I read the post.

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MoneyRaker

13 years ago

Daniel at the famous DailyBlogTips blog specifically answered your question in a very recent post...

This is how he concluded:

"Here is how I would sum it up: if you want big affiliates to promote your product, become a big affiliate for them first"

............... How Do I Get Big Affiliates To Promote My Product? (source: DailyBlogTips.Com)

I highly recommend that you read the article - it really answers your question well!

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JAIDEEP2959

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyRaker

............... How Do I Get Big Affiliates To Promote My Product? (source: DailyBlogTips.Com)

I highly recommend that you read the article - it really answers your question well!

I read the article. It gives specific answer to my question.

Marian Berghes also recommended the same thing.

Thank you.

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helper 13 years ago

all the above comments are good but one last thing is for you to send them a mail (not an email). Send through a first class mail delivery service so that they will have to sign it when it gets to them
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Hardi Wijaya

13 years ago

I once wrote "An Untold Story of Myself"

Let me quote a very important point.

Some people would even say -- "Rather be a bad guy than a poor guy". Believe it or not! Because if a bad guy becomes rich, strangers queue up to visit him or her. With money, bad things can be amended, and good name can be bought. But if a poor commits a crime, a public spanking is inevitable. People will stone that poor guy like Quasimodo. The society will treat him or her as cancerous disease. Such is a cruel society!

It's all about money. Nothing else.

If you've the money, just send it to top guys. If they perceive this as corruption, just buy them expensive stuffs such as Rolex, Mont Blanc, etc.

Why on Earth should we prove our worthy as their top affiliates while they're too busy counting the money you've made for them?

I just gave an expensive Blanc as Christmas gift to a top guy in Florida... just to hook him up online. That's all. Nothing more!

Even if I did this, there's still risk of not responding to me. This tactic may not work.

So what's the alternative?

The first question we've to ask is this -- "What's your purpose of doing JV with them?"

Your usual answer -- To make money.

And their answers -- Still, to make money.

So, what do you need from them?

Your answer -- Their lists.

What do they want from you?

Their answers -- Your money.

See, the solution is just right here.

If you've lots of money, I'd suggest doing these

1. Rent their lists at premium price.
2. Sell your products to the lists and give them 100% cut.

That's all. Money is nothing but STILL is everything. Because it makes the earth... I mean, the top guys go round.

But if you've don't have that kind of money, I'd suggest that you raise your own inner-circle of top Internet marketers first, and hope for future JV with them. Then again, there's still a risk of forgetting you or letting you down... because of money or some reasons.

The last alternative;

Make yourself as a top Internet marketer first.

Don't just pin your hope for money on others while you can do it yourself. Once you've the money, you can do lots of crazy stuffs to attract more money.

Also, don't solely pin on JV. It may or may not work even if you get a deal with the top guys. Just treat this as something extra in your marketing.

Your main marketing efforts is to generate a huge responsive list and make money at the same time. Don't just aim to make money but without generating a good list for future sales.

I really mean it -- "at the same time".

Do not generate list first and ask for money later. Do not give first, and ask for returns later. Too many people over here are doing this, but how many are very successful in this? Even if some guys attest this, but what about the majority?

Just go straight to the jugular!

There's a variety of methods to achieving this. I think you can figure it out if you follow some important leaks in this forum.

Sincerely Yours,
Hardi Wijaya

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13 years ago

If you have a good product, it is quite easy to contact Mike Filsaime because he is a very nice guy. He has a relation manager Adam Kaye. Try ringing him on 1-631-615-4248 - Direct Line.
I will be interested to know how you get on.

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Hardi Wijaya

13 years ago

Originally Posted by johnng

If you have a good product, it is quite easy to contact Mike Filsaime because he is a very nice guy. He has a relation manager Adam Kaye. Try ringing him on 1-631-615-4248 - Direct Line.
I will be interested to know how you get on.

There are many reasons to hire relation manager dude.

In the corporate world, the main reason to hire a PR is to screen out negativity and shout out positivity

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13 years ago

Good lord I couldnt be MORE sick of hearing those two names.

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13 years ago

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13 years ago

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Glenn Leader

13 years ago

One thing you need to do Jaideep is not to piss off
new sign ups to your lists when you get them. I'll
mention no names here, but I received a gift last
week in exchange for my contact details, and I
received two promotions within the first hour, and
several over the following days. None of them were
related to the gift and with the volume of messages
they were sending me, I very quickly unsubscribed.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

One thing you need to do Jaideep is not to piss off
new sign ups to your lists when you get them. I'll
mention no names here, but I received a gift last
week in exchange for my contact details, and I
received two promotions within the first hour, and
several over the following days. None of them were
related to the gift and with the volume of messages
they were sending me, I very quickly unsubscribed.

HTH

Glenn

I am really sorry.

That incident happened due to scheduling mistake with Emailaces.

I lost 60+ subscribers on that day.

However, I gained 60+ subscribers within few days.

I am finding hard to select good product about Ebay. If I promote clickbank products relating to Ebay, list members will purchase using their own affiliate link.

I was promoting some cheap items of good value to my list.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959

I am really sorry.

That incident happened due to scheduling mistake with Emailaces.

I lost 60+ subscribers on that day.

However, I gained 60+ subscribers within few days.

I am finding hard to select good product about Ebay. If I promote clickbank products relating to Ebay, list members will purchase using their own affiliate link.

I was promoting some cheap items of good value to my list.

Sorry again.

I accept your apology Jaideep. The most important thing you
can do is start a relationship.... with your list. When they get
to know and trust you, and you make recommendations, they
will buy in far larger numbers than they would a relative stranger.
They'll stay on your list longer too.

Make that your New Years Resolution, by March you should see
the difference.

HTH

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

How I Landed a Joint Venture with a Big Time Marketer Without Trying

I had bought one of the marketers products, I don't even remember what it was now, but I got a lot out of it so I started following what he was doing. I learned a lot just be being on his mailing list.

One day I decided to thank him by offering to promote one of his products to my mailing list. I didn't ask for a commission, in fact, I told him I appreciated the way he marketed and that I'd learned a lot from him, and I explicitly told him I wasn't looking for anything in return, I just wanted to show my appreciation by promoting something for him.

Now, all that was true, I don't recommend using this tactic as a ploy -- insincerity can be smelled a mile away by anyone that's paying attention -- and successful people ARE paying attention.

What happened next surprised me. He not only wrote back, he insisted I sign up as an affiliate for a new product, AND he offered to promote one of my products -- a JV with a big time marketer without trying!

The moral?

Pay attention to everyone who helps you, even if they don't know they are, and express your gratitude to them. It makes them feel good, it makes you feel good, and the good you do always comes back to you in some way. Maybe not from the same person, but as sure as the seasons come and go, so too will the good you do return to you.

You can get anything you want in life if you just help enough other people get what they want.
-Zig Ziglar

I've loved that quotation since I first read it. I've proven the validity of it to myself over and over. Self-interest is, of course, necessary, but being wrapped up only in self-interest gives us a myopic and distorted perspective of the landscape of our lives.

Help others, especially those who cannot repay you, and others will help you.

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JAIDEEP2959

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

How I Landed a Joint Venture with a Big Time Marketer Without Trying

I had bought one of the marketers products, I don't even remember what it was now, but I got a lot out of it so I started following what he was doing. I learned a lot just be being on his mailing list.

One day I decided to thank him by offering to promote one of his products to my mailing list. I didn't ask for a commission, in fact, I told him I appreciated the way he marketed and that I'd learned a lot from him, and I explicitly told him I wasn't looking for anything in return, I just wanted to show my appreciation by promoting something for him.

Now, all that was true, I don't recommend using this tactic as a ploy -- insincerity can be smelled a mile away by anyone that's paying attention -- and successful people ARE paying attention.

What happened next surprised me. He not only wrote back, he insisted I sign up as an affiliate for a new product, AND he offered to promote one of my products -- a JV with a big time marketer without trying!

This is really motivating.

Thank you.

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markgilbert

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Now, all that was true, I don't recommend using this tactic as a ploy -- insincerity can be smelled a mile away by anyone that's paying attention -- and successful people ARE paying attention.

What happened next surprised me. He not only wrote back, he insisted I sign up as an affiliate for a new product, AND he offered to promote one of my products -- a JV with a big time marketer without trying!

Good stuff Dennis. Being direct, sincere, honest, and stripped of all hype is the cornerstone of building any relationship. That's what JV's are made of. Great example!

You have a million dollars worth of advice now, JAIDEEP

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Philok

13 years ago

Hi Jay,

To contact them just subscribe to their mailing list, like for Mike Filsaime you must contact Joe Jablonski (jvsource [dot] com).

Take care,

Philok

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simonjwarner 13 years ago

Lots of of great advice on this thread, heres my 2 cents.

Go " one down ".

Try for some marketers "one step down" from the Filsaimes, Kerns etc.

If you have an amazing product then the word will get around.

Also if you become one there there top affilates then they will know who you are.

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Glenn Leader 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Philok

Hi Jay,

To contact them just subscribe to their mailing list, like for Mike Filsaime you must contact Joe Jablonski (jvsource [dot] com).

Take care,

Philok

Subscribing to any list doesn't automatically
open communications with the owner. You
still need to build some kind of relationship
with them. Most often, replying to emails
gets you nowhere at all, the reply address
is probably not being monitored.

Glenn
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Roy Carter

13 years ago

I think my sig may help if you are looking to attract quality JV partners

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Hardi Wijaya 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Roy Carter

I think my sig may help if you are looking to attract quality JV partners

Roy,

Great book, but the information doesn't reflect over 50% of the reality. What to know why? Hint -- check out the history of those top guys.

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JaniG

13 years ago

the way i have been able to do Joint Ventures with some top internet marketers is by MEETING them in person

i would advise you to go to as many intenret marketing EVENTS as you can and meet some guru sin person

become friends with them and they will be more likely to JV with you

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