How to do Joint Venture with Top Internet Marketers like Mike Filsaime and Ewen Chia

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Hi Warriors,

I really appreciate efforts put by Top Internet Marketers to build huge lists and make big money online.

I would really like Top Internet Marketers to share my product with their list members.

How can I contact them?

How can I convince them to promote my product?

Will they even read my Joint Venture request?

Will they accept 70%-80% commission rate?

Will I need to do lot of follow up?

Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?

Please reply.

Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Make them a bunch of money, then call them and say "I am affiliate X that just made you $..... last month, I have an interesting product, could you take a look?"

    If your product is any good he will mail for you.

    Thats it...send him a bunch of sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      This thread will give you a good head start...... http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ht-my-eye.html

      While I rarely market to IMers, over the years I've landed some monster JV deals in niches like dating, weight loss, how to coach little league, etc. by following what is discussed there. The same principles apply.

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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by Marian Berghes View Post

      Make them a bunch of money, then call them and say "I am affiliate X that just made you $..... last month, I have an interesting product, could you take a look?"

      If your product is any good he will mail for you.

      Thats it...send him a bunch of sales.
      This works like a charm.
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      • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
        I have started Joint Ventures with smaller affiliates.

        Wish me Good Luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author Agung Prabowo
          Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959 View Post

          I have started Joint Ventures with smaller affiliates.

          Wish me Good Luck.
          IMHO there's no smaller affiliates mate
          i do lot of JV even with not big marketers name but i'm very satisfy because
          we not only do JV together but we more then friend more like family's

          and warriors is the best place you can start JV with others
          build your rep here and 'they' will look at you

          just my 2 cents,
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    How can I contact them?
    - Go to a live event


    How can I convince them to promote my product?
    - Get to know them first

    Will they even read my Joint Venture request?
    - Nope.

    Will I need to do lot of follow up?
    - Yes

    Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?
    - You would be giving it to them

    I think you should aim for people who already have ebay lists of clients and start with lower expectations. It is most unlikely to happen otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
    I'd set your sites a bit lower for now.

    Grab some "smaller" affiliates, such as the types of guys with a few thousand subscribers on their list. It's probably easier to get 100 of these types of marketers than to get one Filsaime, Reese or Kern.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

      I'd set your sites a bit lower for now.

      Grab some "smaller" affiliates, such as the types of guys with a few thousand subscribers on their list. It's probably easier to get 100 of these types of marketers than to get one Filsaime, Reese or Kern.
      Hi James.

      Thank you for the reply.

      Where can I get 'smaller' affiliates with a few thousand subscribers?

      These guys are not famous, how can I find them?

      Mike Filsaime, Ewen Chia and Frank Kern are well known and trustworthy, so I can prefer them.

      Please reply.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959 View Post

        Where can I get 'smaller' affiliates with a few thousand subscribers?

        These guys are not famous, how can I find them?
        Try the Joint Venture sub forum here on WF.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oxana
      Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

      I'd set your sites a bit lower for now.

      Grab some "smaller" affiliates, such as the types of guys with a few thousand subscribers on their list. It's probably easier to get 100 of these types of marketers than to get one Filsaime, Reese or Kern.

      I strongly agree with JamesPenn plus smaller affiliate's it does not mean bad, they still will do the same job.

      Oxana:p
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I really appreciate efforts put by Top Internet Marketers to build huge lists and make big money online.

    I would really like Top Internet Marketers to share my product with their list members.

    Will they accept 70%-80% commission rate?
    Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?
    It's not your ebook they're interested in. Nobody's going to mail for you unless...
    • They know, like, and trust you
    • Your stuff is high quality
    • You can prove an acceptable visitor value
    • Your stuff is a good fit for their list
    • The timing is right
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      It's not your ebook they're interested in. Nobody's going to mail for you unless...
      • They know, like, and trust you
      • Your stuff is high quality
      • You can prove an acceptable visitor value
      • Your stuff is a good fit for their list
      • The timing is right
      And one more... can you return the favour with equal return for them

      They can see whats in it for you if they mail for you

      they need to see whats in it for them... And dont say the commissions. They make commissions on any promotion they do. The bottom line needs to be what can you do for them

      One other way is to see if they have a customer forum, go in there and answer customer support questions. reaaly make your self useful
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    ...or, longer term, build a reputation for yourself.

    Then they'll contact you.

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
    A few ways to find these types of guys:

    1. Go to Google and type "internet marketing blog". There will be loads of marketers there building lists.

    2. Go to EzineArticles.com and find articles in the Internet Business category, follow the links to their website.

    3. Go to all the giveaway events that are happening. There will be a few hundred people there actively building their lists.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Thank you for the incredible responses.

      I have one more question?

      Currently I am selling my product on Click2sell, Will it help if I submit it to Clickbank giving 75% commissions?

      I know that Top Internet Marketers sell products of Clickbank. I do receive emails from them selling Clickbank products.

      I am not sure whether they sell Clickbank products doing Joint Venture with respective vendors.

      Please answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gee S
      This is really good advice. Now I had a look at your sales page, and it does need a lot of work. I suggest you hire some here on this forum to redo it. You won't get many affiliate interested with a bland sales page.

      Affiliates are more likely to join you in a JV if your material looks the part. They won't want to put in a lot of effort for your not to convert. I think before approaching anyone, have a look at your sales page and possibly your copy too. The more professional it looks, the better chance you'll have of getting more people promoting your product.

      Hope that helps.

      Gurpreet


      Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

      A few ways to find these types of guys:

      1. Go to Google and type "internet marketing blog". There will be loads of marketers there building lists.

      2. Go to EzineArticles.com and find articles in the Internet Business category, follow the links to their website.

      3. Go to all the giveaway events that are happening. There will be a few hundred people there actively building their lists.
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      • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
        Originally Posted by MrEyeconic View Post

        This is really good advice. Now I had a look at your sales page, and it does need a lot of work. I suggest you hire some here on this forum to redo it. You won't get many affiliate interested with a bland sales page.

        Gurpreet
        Yes, I will definitely hire someone here on this forum to redo it.

        Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
    Here's an idea.

    How about you learn how to market and grow a real
    business and learn how to create value for others
    and make money without having to get bailed out
    by having somebody with a list email their list because
    you lack the skills to market effectively and build your
    own list and make your own money.

    Why would someone promote one of your ebooks on how
    to market or make money when it's evident you don't
    know how to do it yourself or you wouldn't NEED them
    to promote for you.

    That's my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor View Post

      Here's an idea.

      How about you learn how to market and grow a real
      business and learn how to create value for others
      and make money without having to get bailed out
      by having somebody with a list email their list because
      you lack the skills to market effectively and build your
      own list and make your own money.

      Why would someone promote one of your ebooks on how
      to market or make money when it's evident you don't
      know how to do it yourself or you wouldn't NEED them
      to promote for you.

      That's my 2 cents
      Daniel
      I am currently building a list.

      But it will take time for me to build a huge list like Mike Filsaime and Ewen Chia.

      That is why I decided to do Joint Venture.
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    • Profile picture of the author Riz
      That's a little harsh Daniel.

      I don't know Jaideep and do not know his ability to market his own product or build his own list, and on that note neither do you.

      However, suggesting that if someone is looking for JV partners to promote their product and expand their business is not aware of how to market and grow a list is a little naive in my opinion.

      Just my 2 cents.

      Riz

      Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor View Post

      Here's an idea.

      How about you learn how to market and grow a real
      business and learn how to create value for others
      and make money without having to get bailed out
      by having somebody with a list email their list because
      you lack the skills to market effectively and build your
      own list and make your own money.

      Why would someone promote one of your ebooks on how
      to market or make money when it's evident you don't
      know how to do it yourself or you wouldn't NEED them
      to promote for you.

      That's my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author dimatrix
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    Offerindg 70% - 80% commissions will probably make them interested but if you want to have a sure winner, here's what you'll do:
    Choose one of the real 'gurus' and offer him a partnetship in the business. Tell him that you'll make him a partnet and you'll both get equal share in the returns from the website over a period of one year. This will surely get him interested and he'll be totally committed to it. He'll then begin prooting the product to other 'gurus' within his reach who you'd NEVER had been able to contact.
    That's how it works for a newbie to break into the elite. One word: Piggybacking!
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by dimatrix View Post

      Offerindg 70% - 80% commissions will probably make them interested but if you want to have a sure winner, here's what you'll do:
      Choose one of the real 'gurus' and offer him a partnetship in the business. Tell him that you'll make him a partnet and you'll both get equal share in the returns from the website over a period of one year. This will surely get him interested and he'll be totally committed to it. He'll then begin prooting the product to other 'gurus' within his reach who you'd NEVER had been able to contact.
      That's how it works for a newbie to break into the elite. One word: Piggybacking!

      That won't work - I wouldn't even be interested.

      Why would someone with a successful business want to distract themselves helping you build your business?

      We only 24 hours in a day and plenty of friends who need help, so why would we be interested in some stranger wanting to 'piggyback' on our success?
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        That won't work - I wouldn't even be interested.

        Why would someone with a successful business want to distract themselves helping you build your business?

        We only 24 hours in a day and plenty of friends who need help, so why would we be interested in some stranger wanting to 'piggyback' on our success?

        Yup that is right Andy.

        I approached a super affiliate one day and for some strange reason he answered me back . he gave me some pointers on how to approach one properly. but he declined my offer.

        I learned from him what is expected.the best way to land a super affiliate is to not approach them.LOL . you are talking about Mike filsaime and others even Robert who spoke above would just delete your mail if you approached them without even knowing who they are . Robert is a very well known IM'er and in the same class as the ones you mentioned so even the fact he posted on here is something you should really listen to .

        If anyone approaches me to do a jv i usually just Delete it although i have extended help in some cases where i have found them asking and they have shown some sort of integrity in their own practice that is what i love about this place here the WF and i am not in the class listed above.

        One thing is these guys don't need your money at all and having them on your side is going to do way way more then you could do for them to begin with. if you go to a live even hosted by one or more of the big guys don't walk up to them and say hi my name is i run this and would like you to help me. so would everyone in the world like to capitalize on their success. make a name for yourself do your own dirty work and if your worth knowing and dealing with in time you will have relationships with them. it is all about relationship and not about commissions all they need to do is send an email and they make tons of cash so the best thing to do is ......

        List your opportunity in affiliate programs have a good affiliate program that makes it worth their time.
        treat your affiliates like gold because that is what they are
        get yourself known-brand yourself
        show integrity and quality in what you offer build an affiliate base pay on time every time and soon you will have some good affiliates helping to build your business . any other way is just not worth even trying.
        if you begin generating 10's of thousands of dollars in merem months people will take notice and soo the big guys will contact you maybe give an opportunity to come to a summit or something small so they can personally meet and evaluate you people are always evaluating you whether you realize it or not
        that is MO
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
          Originally Posted by WD Products View Post

          I learned from him what is expected.the best way to land a super affiliate is to not approach them.LOL . you are talking about Mike filsaime and others even Robert who spoke above would just delete your mail if you approached them without even knowing who they are . Robert is a very well known IM'er and in the same class as the ones you mentioned so even the fact he posted on here is something you should really listen to .
          -WD
          Well thanks for the compliment, but im not quite on their level yet

          But your right, unless i have a prior relationship with you its almost impossible to get me or the others named to promote you.

          Robert
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
            From what I can tell, you need a lot of things.

            A product with massive commission.

            A $47 product isn't going to cut it unless you can get it to convert like freaking crazy.

            They want reoccurring commissions in a lot of cases.

            You need to have more than a product.

            You need a list - something you can reciprocate with.

            I have changed directions from trying to get JVs from out of the blue to building a reputation for myself, building my own list, my own business first.

            Once you have something you can work with, I think that you will find that you will get a lot more responsive JV requests.
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            • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
              Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

              From what I can tell, you need a lot of things.

              A product with massive commission.

              A $47 product isn't going to cut it unless you can get it to convert like freaking crazy.

              They want reoccurring commissions in a lot of cases.

              You need to have more than a product.

              You need a list - something you can reciprocate with.

              I have changed directions from trying to get JVs from out of the blue to building a reputation for myself, building my own list, my own business first.

              Once you have something you can work with, I think that you will find that you will get a lot more responsive JV requests.
              If you do it this way, and hit their top ten lists... they will come after you

              And i have been in top ten lists with less than 20 sales
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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
                Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

                If you do it this way, and hit their top ten lists... they will come after you

                And i have been in top ten lists with less than 20 sales
                Thanks for confirming that for me.

                I have spent too much time worrying about getting the big dawgs to promote for me that I wasnt really doing anything to do it myself.

                It definitely makes much more sense to build up your own business first, then go around and see what you can do to leverage it, instead of just hoping and praying that some big guy will promote for you.
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                • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

                  Thanks for confirming that for me.

                  I have spent too much time worrying about getting the big dawgs to promote for me that I wasnt really doing anything to do it myself.

                  It definitely makes much more sense to build up your own business first, then go around and see what you can do to leverage it, instead of just hoping and praying that some big guy will promote for you.

                  i HAVE A LIST OF 160,000 i now wont promote for anyone if they wont agree to promote me back...

                  Thats a list big enough to leverage anyone (almost), in a casual conversation and your asked how big is your list now

                  oh 160 thousand or so...

                  REALLY.. we should do something together maybe we can work out a cross promotion
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                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
                    Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

                    i HAVE A LIST OF 160,000 i now wont promote for anyone if they wont agree to promote me back...

                    Thats a list big enough to leverage anyone (almost), in a casual conversation and your asked how big is your list now

                    oh 160 thousand or so...


                    REALLY.. we should do something together maybe we can work out a cross promotion
                    Hah...yeah, that will do it.

                    Very cool though about the 160k list...Im working my way up there lol.

                    I was wondering your thoughts on doing ad swaps with other people in your niche to build up your list.

                    I wanted to wait until I was around 10k in list size before I do that, but I am seriously worried about burning out my list/pissing people off by sending too many promos out....

                    Thanks!
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                    • Profile picture of the author mariochase
                      I heard about this strategy and thought it was pretty good:
                      - Access some of the Internet Marketing Guru's site and read all the testimonial. Access all the guys that have a website. Create a spreadsheet with all emails from this unknown Guru's.
                      - Offer them prizes to promote your offer.

                      If you want to get to the big affiliates. You need to offer them value. Sell a lot of products to them and than ask them for help. Everybody just go and ask for value, before giving value (that is a bad way of doing stuff).
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                    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
                      Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

                      Hah...yeah, that will do it.

                      Very cool though about the 160k list...Im working my way up there lol.

                      I was wondering your thoughts on doing ad swaps with other people in your niche to build up your list.

                      I wanted to wait until I was around 10k in list size before I do that, but I am seriously worried about burning out my list/pissing people off by sending too many promos out....

                      Thanks!
                      A very emphatic yes you should do that adswaps are gold...

                      if you have a smaller list than them then offer 2 emails from you in return for one from them... If you had a membership site setup there are all sorts of other ads you can throw into the mix to get bigger guys to swap with you

                      login pages and log out pages, and in an affiliate area etc are all places people like me will take as a swap.

                      In fact i would give my right arm to be on other peoples log in pages

                      Robert

                      PS: one other thing they will all be looking to see if you have the marketing process all set up, they will want to see you have a funnel, offers etc to maximise them sending you their list. Based on discussions in here previously from you... that might mean you changing the way you do business.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
                        Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

                        A very emphatic yes you should do that adswaps are gold...

                        if you have a smaller list than them then offer 2 emails from you in return for one from them... If you had a membership site setup there are all sorts of other ads you can throw into the mix to get bigger guys to swap with you

                        login pages and log out pages, and in an affiliate area etc are all places people like me will take as a swap.

                        In fact i would give my right arm to be on other peoples log in pages

                        Robert

                        PS: one other thing they will all be looking to see if you have the marketing process all set up, they will want to see you have a funnel, offers etc to maximise them sending you their list. Based on discussions in here previously from you... that might mean you changing the way you do business.
                        Thank you sir! You've been quite helpful

                        -Daniel
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                      I've been marketing online for almost 7 years.

                      I have a responsive list of thousands.

                      I've reached 6 figures 3 years straight.

                      I couldn't get Mike Filsaime to spit on my shoes let alone do a JV with me.

                      You need to look to people in your OWN league.

                      Why should somebody who is successful want ANYTHING to do with YOU?

                      What do YOU have to offer besides a product?

                      Please...anybody can give Mike or Frank or any of those guys that.

                      It's time to come down to the real world.

                      Hell, I wouldn't even look at your product or return your email.

                      What reputation do you have? I don't even know who the hell you are?

                      (Above for effect)

                      Okay, now that I've said all that, sorry to come down on you so hard
                      but essentially what I did was the same thing they do with defendants of
                      crimes when they do mock trials and show them what the prosecuting
                      attorney is going to do with them if they take the stand.

                      The above tirade is the reality of what you're up against.

                      That is the real attitude you are going to run into, not because these
                      people are SOBs but because they are busy and have no time for you.

                      I can't put it any plainer than that. If you think you're going to get a JV
                      with somebody making 7 figures a year, you are seriously delusional and
                      somebody has to knock some sense into you.

                      So while a lot of people here are going to rag on me for being such an
                      SOB in this thread, sometimes tough love is what a person needs.

                      Now...having said all that...here is what you do.

                      You have peers...people on the same level as YOU.

                      Contact them.

                      Get to know them FIRST on a personal level. Offer to do something for
                      them...no strings attached.

                      In other words, you make the first move to do for them first.

                      They will feel almost obligated to do something in return.

                      What's that you say? If they're on the same level as you then they have
                      nothing to offer?

                      How do you know?

                      Maybe between the two of you, or the three of you or however many
                      people you get together, you can work hard enough to create something
                      that turns the three of you into the next Filsaime, Kern and Walker or
                      whoever.

                      But don't expect a big marketer to make YOU a success.

                      And let me tell you something, JVs sometimes aren't what they're
                      cracked up to be. There is no guarantee that a big name marketer is
                      going to make you a ton of sales, especially if your product is crap.

                      And even if it's not, if his list isn't the right fit, again...failure.

                      I've had JVs that blew up in my face big time. In fact, I don't even do
                      them anymore. I make more money on my own.

                      Stand up on your own two feet...do the work...and make your own name.

                      That's the best advice you're going to get here.
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                      • Profile picture of the author DogScout
                        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                        I've been marketing online for almost 7 years.

                        I have a responsive list of thousands.

                        I've reached 6 figures 3 years straight.

                        I couldn't get Mike Filsaime to spit on my shoes let alone do a JV with me.

                        You need to look to people in your OWN league.

                        Why should somebody who is successful want ANYTHING to do with YOU?

                        What do YOU have to offer besides a product?

                        Please...anybody can give Mike or Frank or any of those guys that.

                        It's time to come down to the real world.

                        Hell, I wouldn't even look at your product or return your email.

                        What reputation do you have? I don't even know who the hell you are?

                        (Above for effect)

                        Okay, now that I've said all that, sorry to come down on you so hard
                        but essentially what I did was the same thing they do with defendants of
                        crimes when they do mock trials and show them what the prosecuting
                        attorney is going to do with them if they take the stand.

                        The above tirade is the reality of what you're up against.

                        That is the real attitude you are going to run into, not because these
                        people are SOBs but because they are busy and have no time for you.

                        I can't put it any plainer than that. If you think you're going to get a JV
                        with somebody making 7 figures a year, you are seriously delusional and
                        somebody has to knock some sense into you.

                        So while a lot of people here are going to rag on me for being such an
                        SOB in this thread, sometimes tough love is what a person needs.

                        Now...having said all that...here is what you do.

                        You have peers...people on the same level as YOU.

                        Contact them.

                        Get to know them FIRST on a personal level. Offer to do something for
                        them...no strings attached.

                        In other words, you make the first move to do for them first.

                        They will feel almost obligated to do something in return.

                        What's that you say? If they're on the same level as you then they have
                        nothing to offer?

                        How do you know?

                        Maybe between the two of you, or the three of you or however many
                        people you get together, you can work hard enough to create something
                        that turns the three of you into the next Filsaime, Kern and Walker or
                        whoever.

                        But don't expect a big marketer to make YOU a success.

                        And let me tell you something, JVs sometimes aren't what they're
                        cracked up to be. There is no guarantee that a big name marketer is
                        going to make you a ton of sales, especially if your product is crap.

                        And even if it's not, if his list isn't the right fit, again...failure.

                        I've had JVs that blew up in my face big time. In fact, I don't even do
                        them anymore. I make more money on my own.

                        Stand up on your own two feet...do the work...and make your own name.

                        That's the best advice you're going to get here.
                        Actually I think you have a better well known name than you know and i am pretty certain he would spit on your shoes.
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                      • Profile picture of the author um1001
                        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                        That is the real attitude you are going to run into, not because these
                        people are SOBs but because they are busy and have no time for you.
                        Steven, while I don't always agree with the abrasiveness of your reality-injecting posts, they sure do get the point across well

                        I do think you make a fantastic point about offering something no-strings attached. Far too many people are looking for a free ride on the coat-tails of some of these big names and offering something TRULY no-strings is an effective way to be useful (to anyone, not just your Mike Filsaimes or Ewen Chias) Developing relationships is an important part of this business. Even more important is developing a real business.

                        Truth be told, I doubt very seriously you could develop this kind of relationship by an unsolicited e-mail. You have to offer something of incredible value.
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    • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
      Originally Posted by dimatrix View Post

      Offerindg 70% - 80% commissions will probably make them interested but if you want to have a sure winner, here's what you'll do:
      Choose one of the real 'gurus' and offer him a partnetship in the business. Tell him that you'll make him a partnet and you'll both get equal share in the returns from the website over a period of one year. This will surely get him interested and he'll be totally committed to it. He'll then begin prooting the product to other 'gurus' within his reach who you'd NEVER had been able to contact.
      That's how it works for a newbie to break into the elite. One word: Piggybacking!
      I love Jimmy Brown too :-) That's some good advice here but... you'll still need a great product first with a solid conversion rate and long-term market value, otherwise no big name will take a look at your stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hardi Wijaya
        Originally Posted by 7_8_shortcuts View Post

        I love Jimmy Brown too :-) That's some good advice here but... you'll still need a great product first with a solid conversion rate and long-term market value, otherwise no big name will take a look at your stuff.
        I don't want to pick a debate over here. But... sure... but how much does this reflect the reality?

        The world isn't ruled by many intelligent guys, because they're defeated by their own intelligence too many times. Anyway... forget what I mumble...

        Ok. Here's a history...

        There was a time... a kid shocked the IM industry with an average product. It's not even written by him. Yet many top guys of that time endorsed him. What made him so famous and rich?

        Btw, I'm not talking about the new kid on the block from the Spore

        Great product? Sure. But there's something else...

        Answer -- BIG IDEAS

        If you've an outstanding product, but don't have BIG IDEAS to benefits the JV partners, you'll fail.

        Hey, it's going to year 2010, and the top guys want BIGGER IDEAS. Those old ideas won't entice them anymore.


        Hardi
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  • Profile picture of the author Donald Truehart
    Also you'll need to be using a trusted tracking source.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    oh come on steven... Im sure Mike would be glad to spit on your shoes hahahahahaha
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      oh come on steven... Im sure Mike would be glad to spit on your shoes hahahahahaha
      At what he makes per hour, the cost wouldn't be worth it to him.
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        At what he makes per hour, the cost wouldn't be worth it to him.
        Lol . i dunno steven Mike is a pretty good guy he might.lol

        I am with you steven i think that there is a misconception Surrounding big names.

        Mike i know has worked his @ off and if anyone wants to make it they need to do the same i don't look at them and say oh i wish i was like that i look at them and say make room wd is on the fast track!

        I guess I never have understood about the celebrity thing i have some pro hockey friends and they are just normal guys they don't want people running after them snapping their picture or whatever i don't know i mean it is the same principle when i was 17 i was pro calliber goaltender but if i walked into an arena with the likes of let's use an example of linden messier and kidd and said ok guys i am here help me get a billion dollar contract they would not only laugh at me they would remember me and never want anything to do with me so the potential i went in with now becomes amounted to nothing even though i figured they would know the best way -hypothetical situation i never did that.

        I did however have many of them come around me support me and offer tips because i worked my @ off i messed it all up of course went to jail and the rest they say is history but the fact is no one is going to do it for you and to be blunt why the hell would you want to piggy back on anyone for crying out loud i am not here to make other people even more well known or more rich i am here to get mine and support my family and finally be free from the crap of life.

        I don't want someone else's success i want my own and then some i don't know how to write sales copy very well i got a few programs to help me but it never comes out or across as some grabber but i don't ask someone to do it for me i have to learn so i can do it again and again and again. i have a website that has not converted yet i don't come in here and say hey help what am i doing wrong i choose to figure it out myself so that when it happens i will know.

        I dunno I am going off i guess, but what the hell, who cares if others have success if you want their success ....then get at her and get er done or get over it and get on with it. either way work your @ off make some friends, help others <--- i am sure i will make a lot with this). get your head on straight and when the trials come go right through them be an icebreaker not a pimple
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by WD Products View Post

          Lol . i dunno steven Mike is a pretty good guy he might.lol

          I am with you steven i think that there is a misconception Surrounding big names.

          Mike i know has worked his @ off and if anyone wants to make it they need to do the same i don't look at them and say oh i wish i was like that i look at them and say make room wd is on the fast track i guess i never have understood about the celebrity thing i have some pro hockey friends and they are just normal guys they don't want people running after them snapping their picture or whatever i don't know i mean it is the same principle when i was 17 i was pro calliber goaltender but if i walked into an arena with the likes of linden messier and kidd and said ok guys i am here help me get a billion dollar contract they would not only laugh at me they would remember me and never want anything to do with me so the potential i went in with now becomes amounted to nothing even though i figured they would know the best way -hypothetical situation i never did that. i did however have many of them come around me support me and offer tips because i worked my @ off i messed it all up of course went to jail and the rest they say is history but the fact is no one is going to do it for you and to be blunt why the hell would you want to piggy back on anyone for crying out loud i am not here to make other people even more well known or more rich i am here to get mine and support my family and finally be free from the crap of life i don't want someone elses success i want my own and then some i don't know how to write sales copy very well i got a few programs to help me but it never comes out or across as some grabber but i don't ask someone to do it for me i have to learn so i can do it again and again and again. i have a website that has not converted yet i don't come in here and say hey help what am i doing wrong i choose to figure it out myself so that when it happens i will know. i dunno i am going off i guess but what the hell who cares if others have success if you want their success then get at her get er done or get over it and get on with it. either way work your @ off make some friends <--- i am sure i will make a lot with this) and get your head on straight and when the trials come go right through them be an icebreaker not a pimple
          -WD

          WD, I would have loved to have read your reply but I couldn't.

          Just a friendly suggestion...paragraphs.

          Makes it a lot easier on the eyes.
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          • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            WD, I would have loved to have read your reply but I couldn't.
            Yes, I also gave up after a few lines...

            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Just a friendly suggestion... paragraphs.
            + proper punctuation + proper capitalization
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            • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
              Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

              Yes, I also gave up after a few lines...


              + proper punctuation + proper capitalization
              Sorry i am not very good at that stuff i try though

              Thanks i will edit
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
    Steven,

    Awesome post man. I think you hit the nail on the head with that(with the limited experience that I have).

    I don't think you were too brutal at all. In fact, it required that to get your point across.

    It's true. Big guys don't care about your product. They get dozens of JV requests from product makers every day im sure. Im sure some of their requests are insanely well put together too.

    So how could you possibly stand out unless you have:

    a) high ticket items to sell that convert extremely well
    b) insane sales process
    c) the ability to return the favor
    d) already known in the market

    A lot of people say:

    'Just go out there, develop relationships, get some JVs, spend all your time doing that and you will make it big in no time.'

    'Screw steps, do it all in one big go with JVs'

    Those people underestimate(or have no clue) as to how hard it is to do that.

    You can't just go onto someones blog or twitter account and be like 'lets JV!' (unless of course they are one of your peers).

    But a big dog will probably stop reading as soon as he sees the words 'let's do a JV' in the same sentence.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

      Steven,


      So how could you possibly stand out unless you have:

      a) high ticket items to sell that convert extremely well
      b) insane sales process
      c) the ability to return the favor
      d) already known in the market
      You left one out... Doesnt work 100% of the time but enough to make it worth doing...

      Do them a favour like write a user manual for there product, or a manual their affiliates could use to sell there product and give it to them no strings attached.

      When they launch a new product they are likely to approach you to do the user manual for them, when they do you have them in a position where it would be very difficult for them to say no when you ask for a favour in return.

      remeber dont ask when you do the original manual, just wait for them to ask you to do another...

      Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Steven,
    I think your post is dead on.

    You have to stand out from the crowd that bombard them with offers everyday. Think of their JV offers coming in the way your normal IM emails come in. They get more than enough each day.

    You need to make your JV offer about THEM. What are you bringing to the table, other than yourself and your product. They can promote any number of products, so it isn't always the cash (not that the price point, and commission don't play a part in them taking up the offer.)

    Are you giving them EVERYTHING they need to promote? Case studies, autoresponders, audio, videos everything they could possibly need to take the least amount of THEIR time to promote your product. Let them know what you have for them, what you've done to make their lives easier.

    Can you make them an offer they can't resist? Throw in a trip to Vegas or something if they promote to their list? (Of course, you wouldn't wanna do this on really low end products, but on the higher end ones, just a single mailing to some big boy lists would more than pay for the enticement.)

    Don't email them. Get on their list, find their real address or somewhere to contact them by mail, and contact them that way. Send them the offer they can't resist in a means no longer done, stand out from the crowd. Send them a handwritten letter, with why they should promote your offer, your conversion rates, how you've made those sales (method of promotion), what items you have to make their promotions simplier etc, what you are willing to offer over and above the sales to make them really want to say YES.

    If you want the big boys, you gotta bring the big bait to the table, give them the offer they CAN'T refuse.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Sylvia
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  • Profile picture of the author maksym
    I completely agree that the best way to approach TOP GURUs on the market is to give
    something in return.
    For example, I had one situation that I found a loophole during product launch from one very known IM Guru. I contacted their support service and informed them about that. After that he contacted me personally.
    So, it is like an example.
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  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959 View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I really appreciate efforts put by Top Internet Marketers to build huge lists and make big money online.

    I would really like Top Internet Marketers to share my product with their list members.

    How can I contact them?

    How can I convince them to promote my product?

    Will they even read my Joint Venture request?

    Will they accept 70%-80% commission rate?

    Will I need to do lot of follow up?

    Will they ask for free download of my ebook before promoting?

    Please reply.

    Thank you.
    If the answers where that easy we'd all be running JV's with the big guns.
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  • Profile picture of the author markgilbert
    In short..... Build it, and they will come. True story ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by markgilbert View Post

      In short..... Build it, and they will come. True story ;-)
      Mark, you have a message on your FB page.

      On what was said:

      Do you have the product in place?

      Put yourself in the shoes of the guys who you want promoting you.

      If you were them, and you got an email from you, how would you expect it to look? Would you just open up to everyone who had an offer?

      You need to target who you are going to ask to JV with, you need to know them and what you can offer them, and you need to present it in a highly professional manner.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    The one way to get any one to support your efforts is to have a vision that people identify with and can get inspired/excited by.

    Truly having a vision will separate you from 94% of all the people out there. The vision is bigger then you are, the vision is what grabs masses of people who take your banner and raise it in support of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyRaker
    Daniel at the famous DailyBlogTips blog specifically answered your question in a very recent post...

    This is how he concluded:

    "Here is how I would sum it up: if you want big affiliates to promote your product, become a big affiliate for them first"

    ............... How Do I Get Big Affiliates To Promote My Product? (source: DailyBlogTips.Com)

    I highly recommend that you read the article - it really answers your question well!
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Originally Posted by MoneyRaker View Post


      ............... How Do I Get Big Affiliates To Promote My Product? (source: DailyBlogTips.Com)

      I highly recommend that you read the article - it really answers your question well!
      I read the article. It gives specific answer to my question.

      Marian Berghes also recommended the same thing.

      Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author helper
      all the above comments are good but one last thing is for you to send them a mail (not an email). Send through a first class mail delivery service so that they will have to sign it when it gets to them
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    • Profile picture of the author Hardi Wijaya
      I once wrote "An Untold Story of Myself"

      Let me quote a very important point.

      Some people would even say -- "Rather be a bad guy than a poor guy". Believe it or not! Because if a bad guy becomes rich, strangers queue up to visit him or her. With money, bad things can be amended, and good name can be bought. But if a poor commits a crime, a public spanking is inevitable. People will stone that poor guy like Quasimodo. The society will treat him or her as cancerous disease. Such is a cruel society!
      It's all about money. Nothing else.

      If you've the money, just send it to top guys. If they perceive this as corruption, just buy them expensive stuffs such as Rolex, Mont Blanc, etc.

      Why on Earth should we prove our worthy as their top affiliates while they're too busy counting the money you've made for them?

      I just gave an expensive Blanc as Christmas gift to a top guy in Florida... just to hook him up online. That's all. Nothing more!

      Even if I did this, there's still risk of not responding to me. This tactic may not work.

      So what's the alternative?

      The first question we've to ask is this -- "What's your purpose of doing JV with them?"

      Your usual answer -- To make money.

      And their answers -- Still, to make money.

      So, what do you need from them?

      Your answer -- Their lists.

      What do they want from you?

      Their answers -- Your money.

      See, the solution is just right here.

      If you've lots of money, I'd suggest doing these

      1. Rent their lists at premium price.
      2. Sell your products to the lists and give them 100% cut.


      That's all. Money is nothing but STILL is everything. Because it makes the earth... I mean, the top guys go round.

      But if you've don't have that kind of money, I'd suggest that you raise your own inner-circle of top Internet marketers first, and hope for future JV with them. Then again, there's still a risk of forgetting you or letting you down... because of money or some reasons.

      The last alternative;

      Make yourself as a top Internet marketer first.

      Don't just pin your hope for money on others while you can do it yourself. Once you've the money, you can do lots of crazy stuffs to attract more money.

      Also, don't solely pin on JV. It may or may not work even if you get a deal with the top guys. Just treat this as something extra in your marketing.

      Your main marketing efforts is to generate a huge responsive list and make money at the same time. Don't just aim to make money but without generating a good list for future sales.

      I really mean it -- "at the same time".

      Do not generate list first and ask for money later. Do not give first, and ask for returns later. Too many people over here are doing this, but how many are very successful in this? Even if some guys attest this, but what about the majority?

      Just go straight to the jugular!

      There's a variety of methods to achieving this. I think you can figure it out if you follow some important leaks in this forum.


      Sincerely Yours,
      Hardi Wijaya
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    • Profile picture of the author johnng
      If you have a good product, it is quite easy to contact Mike Filsaime because he is a very nice guy. He has a relation manager Adam Kaye. Try ringing him on 1-631-615-4248 - Direct Line.
      I will be interested to know how you get on.
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  • Profile picture of the author numbnuts
    Good lord I couldnt be MORE sick of hearing those two names.
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  • Profile picture of the author Donald Truehart
    I still like your ambition.

    Keep Pushing!
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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    I am a top affiliate for other people in my niche and a lot of affiliates sell my stuff (see my signature box). I am constantly trying to get super-affiliates in my niche to get onboard and sell my products. It's not an easy thing to do. You need to OFFER them something, beyond just having a good product -- i.e., if they are going to blast your offer to 10,000 people, then you need to blast THEIR product to 10,000 people on your list. Unless your product and sales page is ridiculously awesome, you are simply not going to get any MEGA affiliates to work with you without agreeing to promote them first -- and, you need to get results and make them some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    One thing you need to do Jaideep is not to piss off
    new sign ups to your lists when you get them. I'll
    mention no names here, but I received a gift last
    week in exchange for my contact details, and I
    received two promotions within the first hour, and
    several over the following days. None of them were
    related to the gift and with the volume of messages
    they were sending me, I very quickly unsubscribed.

    HTH

    Glenn
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

      One thing you need to do Jaideep is not to piss off
      new sign ups to your lists when you get them. I'll
      mention no names here, but I received a gift last
      week in exchange for my contact details, and I
      received two promotions within the first hour, and
      several over the following days. None of them were
      related to the gift and with the volume of messages
      they were sending me, I very quickly unsubscribed.

      HTH

      Glenn
      I am really sorry.

      That incident happened due to scheduling mistake with Emailaces.

      I lost 60+ subscribers on that day.

      However, I gained 60+ subscribers within few days.

      I am finding hard to select good product about Ebay. If I promote clickbank products relating to Ebay, list members will purchase using their own affiliate link.

      I was promoting some cheap items of good value to my list.

      Sorry again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
        Originally Posted by JAIDEEP2959 View Post

        I am really sorry.

        That incident happened due to scheduling mistake with Emailaces.

        I lost 60+ subscribers on that day.

        However, I gained 60+ subscribers within few days.

        I am finding hard to select good product about Ebay. If I promote clickbank products relating to Ebay, list members will purchase using their own affiliate link.

        I was promoting some cheap items of good value to my list.

        Sorry again.
        I accept your apology Jaideep. The most important thing you
        can do is start a relationship.... with your list. When they get
        to know and trust you, and you make recommendations, they
        will buy in far larger numbers than they would a relative stranger.
        They'll stay on your list longer too.

        Make that your New Years Resolution, by March you should see
        the difference.

        HTH

        Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    How I Landed a Joint Venture with a Big Time Marketer Without Trying

    I had bought one of the marketers products, I don't even remember what it was now, but I got a lot out of it so I started following what he was doing. I learned a lot just be being on his mailing list.

    One day I decided to thank him by offering to promote one of his products to my mailing list. I didn't ask for a commission, in fact, I told him I appreciated the way he marketed and that I'd learned a lot from him, and I explicitly told him I wasn't looking for anything in return, I just wanted to show my appreciation by promoting something for him.

    Now, all that was true, I don't recommend using this tactic as a ploy -- insincerity can be smelled a mile away by anyone that's paying attention -- and successful people ARE paying attention.

    What happened next surprised me. He not only wrote back, he insisted I sign up as an affiliate for a new product, AND he offered to promote one of my products -- a JV with a big time marketer without trying!

    The moral?

    Pay attention to everyone who helps you, even if they don't know they are, and express your gratitude to them. It makes them feel good, it makes you feel good, and the good you do always comes back to you in some way. Maybe not from the same person, but as sure as the seasons come and go, so too will the good you do return to you.
    You can get anything you want in life if you just help enough other people get what they want.
    -Zig Ziglar
    I've loved that quotation since I first read it. I've proven the validity of it to myself over and over. Self-interest is, of course, necessary, but being wrapped up only in self-interest gives us a myopic and distorted perspective of the landscape of our lives.

    Help others, especially those who cannot repay you, and others will help you.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      How I Landed a Joint Venture with a Big Time Marketer Without Trying

      I had bought one of the marketers products, I don't even remember what it was now, but I got a lot out of it so I started following what he was doing. I learned a lot just be being on his mailing list.

      One day I decided to thank him by offering to promote one of his products to my mailing list. I didn't ask for a commission, in fact, I told him I appreciated the way he marketed and that I'd learned a lot from him, and I explicitly told him I wasn't looking for anything in return, I just wanted to show my appreciation by promoting something for him.

      Now, all that was true, I don't recommend using this tactic as a ploy -- insincerity can be smelled a mile away by anyone that's paying attention -- and successful people ARE paying attention.

      What happened next surprised me. He not only wrote back, he insisted I sign up as an affiliate for a new product, AND he offered to promote one of my products -- a JV with a big time marketer without trying!
      This is really motivating.

      Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author markgilbert
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      Now, all that was true, I don't recommend using this tactic as a ploy -- insincerity can be smelled a mile away by anyone that's paying attention -- and successful people ARE paying attention.

      What happened next surprised me. He not only wrote back, he insisted I sign up as an affiliate for a new product, AND he offered to promote one of my products -- a JV with a big time marketer without trying!
      Good stuff Dennis. Being direct, sincere, honest, and stripped of all hype is the cornerstone of building any relationship. That's what JV's are made of. Great example!

      You have a million dollars worth of advice now, JAIDEEP
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  • Profile picture of the author Philok
    Hi Jay,

    To contact them just subscribe to their mailing list, like for Mike Filsaime you must contact Joe Jablonski (jvsource [dot] com).

    Take care,

    Philok
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
    I think my sig may help if you are looking to attract quality JV partners
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  • Profile picture of the author JaniG
    the way i have been able to do Joint Ventures with some top internet marketers is by MEETING them in person

    i would advise you to go to as many intenret marketing EVENTS as you can and meet some guru sin person

    become friends with them and they will be more likely to JV with you

    J
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