Is Google Getting Dangerous? You SO have to Watch THIS!

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Hi,
The first video that I saw today after my morning tea was this:





Edit: Alternative Link: (If youtube is not streaming for you)

http://current.com/items/91659341_the-google-toilet.htm


Though its a bit exaggerating it beautifully portrays the underlying message - Isn't google getting too nosy?

Yes they have all the right in the world to expand and grow Big - but aren't they compromising alot of user privacy and effectively hiding it behind the super cool 'GOOGLE' image?

Only yesterday I came to know that they now launched their URL shortener service - I was like Com'on - give us a brake google! There should be sth that you dnt do! for God's Sake!

I won't be surprised if Google has its own country in another 10 years ....

Should the anti-monopoly guys get after Google? or not? Well I'm confused on this - Your thoughts?

And do tell me if you liked the video - cause i loved it!
#dangerous #google
  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    lol very well done!
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    • Profile picture of the author Aj Wilson
      Hahaa... "PooGle"!
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      • Profile picture of the author ArtiGal
        Originally Posted by Aj Wilson View Post

        Hahaa... "PooGle"!
        Nice play on words, AJ! Too bad somebody can't give them a real run for their money, eh? :p

        Thanks for posting this video, moneyraker! I'm with Greg Cesar...he never trusted Google enough to put Analytics or Website Optimizer on his sites...just never felt comfortable giving them that much info. about his business, conversions, etc...

        Elise
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        • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
          Just brilliant!

          I like the last bit about 'you've been Googled'.

          How much do they know about you already?
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by Tony Dean View Post

            Just brilliant!

            I like the last bit about 'you've been Googled'.

            How much do they know about you already?
            Very well made!

            But do you think that G knows more than your average SEARS (where you got your Sears card from)...Walmart, Bank, Credit Card Company , Employer?

            I don't think so. Our data is all over the net...Google is just more "obvious" since everyone uses and knows it.

            In that regards: I think its VERY interesting how eg amazon always exactly knows what i want and need...everytime i go to amazon i see things i totally "dig" matching my exact interests. Ever noticed that?
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      • Profile picture of the author automoversny
        Originally Posted by Aj Wilson View Post

        Hahaa... "PooGle"!
        Thats probably what they're going to call the google toilet
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by MoneyRaker View Post

    Should the anti-monopoly guys get after Google? or not? Well I'm confused on this - Your thoughts?
    Let's imagine you're a lawyer who has a nice cushy Federal job with the Anti-Trust Division of US Department. Google has given millions of dollars to Obama's campaign and Democratic members of Congress. Would you (a) put your career at risk, and perhaps even your personal freedom as well, in order initiate a prosecution against Google, or (b) find a company in an industry that's hated by the current administration and prosecute them on dubious charges?
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  • Profile picture of the author opportunites
    Well done!

    Yes google is controlling every thing...

    But as IMers can we survive without google?
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Meh, I'm from england, we got enough cameras here and our goverment is nosy enough so I'm not fussed about google .
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by opportunites View Post

      Well done!

      Yes google is controlling every thing...

      But as IMers can we survive without google?
      Yes you can survive without google.. They are not the be all and end all.. Many of us actually built a business online without google.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author opportunites
        I can understand that. As I read before, you and other marketers are trying to avoid all the google tools. But what about Big "G" is controlling almost 70percent of the Internet searches?

        What about the google traffic?

        When I build a website or a blog, i'm trying to optimize for google traffic and I think most of us are doing the same thing!




        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Yes you can survive without google.. They are not the be all and end all.. Many of us actually built a business online without google.

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by opportunites View Post

          I can understand that. As I read before, you and other marketers are trying to avoid all the google tools. But what about Big "G" is controlling almost 70percent of the Internet searches?

          What about the google traffic?

          When I build a website or a blog, i'm trying to optimize for google traffic and I think most of us are doing the same thing!
          Millions upon millions of internet users use other search engines, trust me.. Many also use smaller niche related search engines.

          Honestly let's get real for a few minutes here... What website do you know that has 100% google traffic ?? The fact is many websites range from 8% - 20% on google traffic (disclaimer: this is estimated).

          There are many many traffic sources depending upon what you are doing, selling, promoting, and etc..

          I look at my stats and I see place like dogpile, aol, and etc .. These are search engines where visitors are coming from. I also notice MSN bot visiting my site about 30,000 times a month. There are many things I pay close attention to in my stats.

          Years ago when it actually did take months to get listed in the search engines, many of us built a business without the search engines because other websites would bring us traffic and sales long before a search engine would index you.

          Point is though just like EZA ... Google is not the be all and end all... You have web 2.0 sites, social networks, bookmarking sites, video sites, and many other site to drive "direct" traffic from.

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author opportunites
            If I understand your point:

            Google is not really controlling the traffic as we believe it!?



            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            Millions upon millions of internet users use other search engines, trust me.. Many also use smaller niche related search engines.

            Honestly let's get real for a few minutes here... What website do you know that has 100% google traffic ?? The fact is many websites range from 8% - 20% on google traffic (disclaimer: this is estimated).

            There are many many traffic sources depending upon what you are doing, selling, promoting, and etc..

            I look at my stats and I see place like dogpile, aol, and etc .. These are search engines where visitors are coming from. I also notice MSN bot visiting my site about 30,000 times a month. There are many things I pay close attention to in my stats.

            Years ago when it actually did take months to get listed in the search engines, many of us built a business without the search engines because other websites would bring us traffic and sales long before a search engine would index you.

            Point is though just like EZA ... Google is not the be all and end all... You have web 2.0 sites, social networks, bookmarking sites, video sites, and many other site to drive "direct" traffic from.

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by opportunites View Post

              If I understand your point:

              Google is not really controlling the traffic as we believe it!?
              Of course they are not ... 70% .. Oh please!! They wish. Anybody that looks at their server stats will agree with me that the majority of their traffic actualy comes from other places besides google.

              I am not saying google is useless or anything, of course the traffic is nice but your business certainly should not depend upon google. If it does then you need to change your business model real quick.

              The internet would not blow up or something if google went out of business. Most people would adapt and move on.. It may be a little difficult to do at first and take some time to get things moving but most people would still adapt and move on.

              James
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          • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post


            ...I look at my stats and I see place like dogpile, aol, and etc ...

            When I start hearing people say I'm just going to "dogpile" that, I will start paying less attention to google.

            Google easily represents 80% of the organic traffic to our sites.

            Sam
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          • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            Honestly let's get real for a few minutes here... What website do you know that has 100% google traffic ??
            Most of mine are over 90% Google traffic.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
              Fair enough, I got a little over general. MOST of the traffic my clients are getting from those big places are NOT from google adwords... and it's a bit silly to place google ads on those sites anyway because you end up paying more than you should.

              Do you neglect google completely? No. It's like Dan Kennedy said: "Just because you're getting leads over here at a 3 to 1 ROI doesn't mean you stop getting leads from over there are a 1.5 to 1 ROI... get as many leads profitably as you can!" (paraphrased obviously!)

              But facts are facts... typically (if you know what you're doing that is) you can get media cheaper than through google... and get more traffic from it. So while google plays a part, overall it's not nearly as big as you would think. IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS... for people who do things on big, big levels.

              Here's something I WILL leave you with though: can you call up an ad rep at google and negotiate terms? AT ALL? Oh, you can't? Hmmm... that sucks because I know guys who use these "other" sources and get great, great terms that make their cash flow work and make them hundreds of thousand monthly... when their cash flow wouldn't work going through google and they'd actually be out of business. Small difference... hundreds of thousand a month.

              Just saying...
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            • Profile picture of the author burtonridr2
              lol thats funny, but oh so freaky at the same time....
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
          Originally Posted by opportunites View Post

          I can understand that. As I read before, you and other marketers are trying to avoid all the google tools. But what about Big "G" is controlling almost 70percent of the Internet searches?

          What about the google traffic?

          When I build a website or a blog, i'm trying to optimize for google traffic and I think most of us are doing the same thing!
          If google died tomorrow my business would keep rolling along like nothing happened... search engine traffic in the IM niche is miniscule.

          Never look for backlinks, never do SEO never even give google a second thought.

          Robert
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          • Profile picture of the author opportunites
            Very impressive!

            But how you get traffic!? You don't like free traffic...
            Imagine someone just discover a subniche and what to exploit it... what would be the strategy without thinking about google traffic?


            Most of the IMers don't have the luxury to not taking advantage of the google free traffic...

            Remember, most of have been taught with the my set to dominate google free traffic? (that we like)

            How to change that?
            what is the alternative? web 2.0 marketing?


            Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

            If google died tomorrow my business would keep rolling along like nothing happened... search engine traffic in the IM niche is miniscule.

            Never look for backlinks, never do SEO never even give google a second thought.

            Robert

            Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

            If google died tomorrow my business would keep rolling along like nothing happened... search engine traffic in the IM niche is miniscule.

            Never look for backlinks, never do SEO never even give google a second thought.

            Robert
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            • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
              I get video is not available. Is it country restricted or dead?
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by opportunites View Post

              Very impressive!

              But how you get traffic!? You don't like free traffic...
              Imagine someone just discover a subniche and what to exploit it... what would be the strategy without thinking about google traffic?


              Most of the IMers don't have the luxury to not taking advantage of the google free traffic...

              Remember, most of have been taught with the my set to dominate google free traffic? (that we like)

              How to change that?
              what is the alternative? web 2.0 marketing?
              Marketing your website, it's that simple ...

              {Disclaimer: I am not saying I do or do not use all these methods, I am in no way saying they work or they do not work - Test for yourself}

              * Article Marketing
              * Document Sharing Sites
              * Social Network Sites (for comminucations, branding, not blatant spam)
              * Traffic Exchanges
              * Safelist
              * Directory Submissions
              * Start a Yahoo Group
              * Join a Yahoo Group
              * Answers Websites (eg: yahoo answers)
              * Forums
              * Networking Sites
              * Squidoo
              * Hubpages
              * Rss Feed Directories
              * Blogging
              * Blog Comments
              * Blog Carnavals
              * Press Releases
              * New Releases
              * Bookmarking
              * Search Engine Submission
              * Build Opt-In List
              * Do JV's
              * Swap Ads
              * Barter Services
              * Niche Related Search Engines

              Plus many many more ways ... These are all free methods that you can get direct traffic from with google.

              What do you think we did 10 years ago when google was not a household name ? We used other marketing methods and those same methods work till this day.

              James
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                What do you think we did 10 years ago when google was not a household name ? We used other marketing methods and those same methods work till this day.

                James
                James, I honestly think Google has people brainwashed.

                Ready for this folks, I'm going to reveal some shocking sh*t here.

                I just checked, for the hell of it, one of my domains.

                Here is the breakdown as far as traffic in percent for the top
                referrers.

                Adtactics Safeslist (yeah, safelist :p) 44.1%
                PlanetX Safeslist (another one) 10.74%
                Warrior Forum - 11.9%
                WhyDoWork Forum - 3.2%

                That's 69.94% of my traffic to this one domain that comes from places
                other than Google and that's just the TOP places.

                If Google DIED tomorrow, I would be on the top of my roof celebrating
                with paper hats and joy buzzers.

                Remove your brainwashing folks...Google is NOT the be all and end all.
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                • Profile picture of the author peter_act
                  Unfortunately it's the popular perception that google is the only search engine around.
                  Whenever someone is pictured in a film doing a search, it's always Google that they use, never anyone else.

                  To people like us there are alternatives, to the general public, there aren't
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                • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                  I agree Steven .. Hey can I come join you on the roof ... We could do one of those like Dunkin Donuts commercials when they get on the roof with the coffee and scream ..

                  James


                  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                  James, I honestly think Google has people brainwashed.

                  Ready for this folks, I'm going to reveal some shocking sh*t here.

                  I just checked, for the hell of it, one of my domains.

                  Here is the breakdown as far as traffic in percent for the top
                  referrers.

                  Adtactics Safeslist (yeah, safelist :p) 44.1%
                  PlanetX Safeslist (another one) 10.74%
                  Warrior Forum - 11.9%
                  WhyDoWork Forum - 3.2%

                  That's 69.94% of my traffic to this one domain that comes from places
                  other than Google and that's just the TOP places.

                  If Google DIED tomorrow, I would be on the top of my roof celebrating
                  with paper hats and joy buzzers.

                  Remove your brainwashing folks...Google is NOT the be all and end all.
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                  • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
                    Great video! Thanks for sharing it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mandela10
                    Well, many people are talking about traffic, but Google goes beyond sending traffic to a site.

                    Most media buys are only online companies, but google goes way beyong the internet to serve its ads, now they have become a significant player in the mobile industry.

                    Also I think that google does a marvelous job at analyzing, and specifically targeting the people they are serving ads to as demonstrated in the video.

                    Overall, I think Google really knows more about us than any other company right now.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                  I just checked, for the hell of it, one of my domains.

                  ...

                  Remove your brainwashing folks...Google is NOT the be all and end all.
                  I just checked one of mine too. For the current month, only 22.8% of my traffic came from search engines. Of that, 6.3% came from Google while 91.5% came from Google Images, which is pretty much worthless traffic. So, basically, only about 2% of that 22.8% of traffic is really worthwhile.

                  So, basically, Google accounts for 22.3% of my total traffic. If I completely discount Google Images from my traffic figures, then Google only accounts for 1.8% of my total traffic.

                  When people go to search online, 70-95% of them may be going to Google, but clearly people--perhaps the majority of people?--are finding websites through means other than search.

                  Why does anyone think Google keeps buying up other companies? Search engines are not the be-all of traffic generation anymore, if they ever really were. People found websites before anyone ever even heard of Yahoo or Google because people shared links. Now, with social networking, that type of sharing is even easier. On top of that, websites continue to link to one another; not as a link-building strategy but simply because of stuff like, Hey, this is cool, check it out!

                  If Google went out of business tomorrow, the only ones that would be hurting are those who put all their eggs in the Google basket.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                    Exactly Dan ... I do not understand why so many are google crazy .. Heck MSN Bot is on one of my site twice as much as google's bot ..

                    James


                    Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post


                    When people go to search online, 70-95% of them may be going to Google, but clearly people--perhaps the majority of people?--are finding websites through means other than search.

                    Why does anyone think Google keeps buying up other companies? Search engines are not the be-all of traffic generation anymore, if they ever really were. People found websites before anyone ever even heard of Yahoo or Google because people shared links. Now, with social networking, that type of sharing is even easier. On top of that, websites continue to link to one another; not as a link-building strategy but simply because of stuff like, Hey, this is cool, check it out!

                    If Google went out of business tomorrow, the only ones that would be hurting are those who put all their eggs in the Google basket.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                      Exactly Dan ... I do not understand why so many are google crazy .. Heck MSN Bot is on one of my site twice as much as google's bot ..
                      It's also been my impression that MSN and Yahoo traffic seems to convert better on my eCommerce sites than Google traffic. Google appears to send more traffic, but MSN and Yahoo appear to send more buyers.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

                        It's also been my impression that MSN and Yahoo traffic seems to convert better on my eCommerce sites than Google traffic. Google appears to send more traffic, but MSN and Yahoo appear to send more buyers.
                        Yahoo don't like me that much, I am lucky to get about 2% from yahoo ..lol

                        Now Bing gives google a run for their money as I do get some fair traffic from them.. Sort of slacked down a little but they was sending some massive traffic not but a few months ago..

                        The funny thing is Hostgator told me in a chat once ... "Man MSN loves your site, I have no idea what they are doing but they doing some funny stuff on your site".. That was a good funny stuff not bad ..lol

                        James
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                    • Profile picture of the author MoneyRaker
                      Originally Posted by pinkclouds View Post

                      How frustrating, the video's been taken down!
                      Originally Posted by kenboss View Post

                      I'm just getting "THIS VIDEO IS NOT AVAILABLE" ! And Youtube is owned by......... GOOGLE.....

                      Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

                      I get video is not available. Is it country restricted or dead?
                      Originally Posted by kenboss View Post

                      Nope - This Video is clearly not allowed in the UK as I am consistently not able to access it. Bah!

                      Anyway, forget Google.
                      Save the rainforest instead!

                      Forestle



                      For those who can't stream the Youtube Video - here is an alternative link:

                      The Google Toilet // Current

                      Firstly, a BIG WELCOME to all the people who have thanked me! sharing this has been real fun.


                      And yes the no.s have been extremely productive in analyzing the general trend in traffic that people get to their sites. It'd be interesting if more people post their breakdowns. Here's mine:






                      No Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Just wait abit and you will see the European "we are gonna sue every company in the world" Union get up google's ass ....they alread got on Intel's, Microsoft, AMD, Nvidia some time in the past...their time will come lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    A French book publisher already sued Google for a nice chunk of change over their new book to e-book thing. I was really impressed.

    BBC NEWS | Entertainment | French book publisher sues Google **** Berry Scams
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    • Profile picture of the author opportunites
      I will check it!

      Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

      A French book publisher already sued Google for a nice chunk of change over their new book to e-book thing. I was really impressed.

      BBC NEWS | Entertainment | French book publisher sues Google
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
      Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

      A French book publisher already sued Google for a nice chunk of change over their new book to e-book thing. I was really impressed.

      BBC NEWS | Entertainment | French book publisher sues Google
      If I read that article right... it said that the French are concerned it will increase the popularity of the English language and that the EU is hoping to thwart Google until a Union backed non English alternative can be established to do the same thing.

      I thought the article was about copyright infringement at first... but is it really about translating the books into english :confused:

      Originally Posted by MoneyRaker View Post


      Firstly, a BIG WELCOME to all the people who have thanked me! sharing this has been real fun.
      Don't you mean "you're welcome." What about those that did not thank you... are they welcome too? :p

      Originally Posted by MoneyRaker View Post

      No Google!
      Without Google you would not be able to post that video that is hosted on youtube directly in this thread.

      You probably would not have even seen that video without Google because youtube has largely been the way that such viral videos get publicity and are shared.

      This forum would not likely be as popular as it is today without Google because Google loves this forum and threads get indexed quickly showing up in top rankings for many searches.

      IM of course would not be as powerful without Googles products and services:

      SEO
      PPC/Adwords
      Contextual advertising/Adsense
      Youtube Marketing and video syndication via the youtube API
      Feedburner for feed syndication
      Google Analytics for tracking and increasing profitability
      Gmail, Google Voice, Google Calendar and Tasks for productivity and cheap communication.
      Sidwiki for spamming people's sites with comments they cannot moderate (J/K)
      Google book scanning for getting more exposure for your offline publication via search (so google claims)
      Google Friend Connect and Google Wave for social networking
      Google Android for annoying AT&T and Apple
      Google Chrome and Browser based OS for annoying Microsoft

      The large Hadron Collider to annoy atoms... oh wait... that's not owned by Google... yet :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author MoneyRaker
        Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

        Without Google you would not be able to post that video that is hosted on youtube directly in this thread.

        You probably would not have even seen that video without Google because youtube has largely been the way that such viral videos get publicity and are shared.

        This forum would not likely be as popular as it is today without Google because Google loves this forum and threads get indexed quickly showing up in top rankings for many searches.

        Totally Disagree. Please don't forget - GOOGLE DID NOT CREATE YOUTUBE! It simply bought it.

        If there was no google - Youtube would have still been there - its just that some1 else would have owned it then...... Google bought youtube when it was already famous!

        Also regarding this forum - how many of you found it through Google? Well I didn't!

        And if you think that without Google the web wouldn't be in its present shape - you're fooling yourself.

        If google hadn't been there. then there would have been another search engine ruling the industry. Probably Yahoo! In this world there are substitutes for everything - Google is no exception....
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by MoneyRaker View Post

          Totally Disagree. Please don't forget - GOOGLE DID NOT CREATE YOUTUBE! It simply bought it.

          If there was no google - Youtube would have still been there - its just that some1 else would have owned it then...... Google bought youtube when it was already famous!

          Also regarding this forum - how many of you found it through Google? Well I didn't!

          And if you think that without Google the web wouldn't be in its present shape - you're fooling yourself.

          If google hadn't been there. then there would have been another search engine ruling the industry. Probably Yahoo! In this world there are substitutes for everything - Google is no exception....
          Exactly ... Yahoo was on top for many years but as we all seen anybody can be replaced. The sooner google goes away the better for everyone...

          Like many have already posted, I would not be hurting one bit if they went out of business tomorrow..

          James
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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    Ofc Google isn't controlling the traffic, do you think that everyone that goes to a website goes to google first?

    Google may have 70% of internet searches, but it only accounts for about 30% of the internet advertising market...there are advertising platforms out there that will bring you traffic that Google can only dream of in relate to its PPC...but ofc it comes at a price.

    But the point is that there are ALOT more things out there besides google and adwords...thats why you should never build your business based on getting your websites ranked on google...ofc that is important but just remember that once you grow a little you can always go in to Media buying, advertising on websites that have alot of subscribers etc... and when you reach that point you will see that what James is saying is true...google will only bring you 20-30% of your visitors at that point.
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  • Profile picture of the author highrs
    In my country Google has 95% reach, it's the most popular site by far. in some websites it's responsible for 90% of traffic as there are no real alternatives..
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Powers
    But we have to say that google is still the best in SE,and thousands of people can't leave it.It bring us so much convenience and we benefit much from it.I think the problem is between customers' and enprises'.But I don't know what will happen in the long future.At present,or in the short future,goole will still have its current status.
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  • Profile picture of the author opportunites
    I understand it is risky to base you business 100% on google, becasue the can change their algorithm and the way their robot scrawl our sites... but they are so important that we can deny it.

    Generally when someone need something and go to the internet... they go to google, they just google it! this is a fact!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by opportunites View Post

      I understand it is risky to base you business 100% on google, becasue the can change their algorithm and the way their robot scrawl our sites... but they are so important that we can deny it.

      Generally when someone need something and go to the internet... they go to google, they just google it! this is a fact!
      Nobody will ever know the true stats, it is all estimate after all unless of course google wishes to share their "real" info with us (never happen :p)..

      You would be surprised though many do not use google for their primary search engine. There are millions that do use smaller search engines and this is for the same reason why smart marketers use smaller article directories...

      The reason is simple : less competition, easier to find what you need, greater chance of having true related results.

      Yes this is where many marketers lose out because they only want to be listed on those so-called top sites. The entire time those that work smart are eating up all the benefits of the smaller sites and these marketers are making a killing...

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
        First, google IS under investigation for being a monopoly... so we'll see how that shakes out...

        Second, google only accounts for a small portion of OVERALL Internet Traffic. I work with clients who do BIG THINGS - not just our small internet marketing niche... and they buy media through NON-google sources for two reasons.

        A) It's cheaper (less competition)
        B) they get more traffic from these sources than from google!

        Fact is that non-google paid media accounts for close to 5 times more traffic than google paid traffic.

        Yes, there is "organic search"... but consider that organic search as a WHOLE only comes up to about 30% of traffic on the internet - and google "owns" about 20% of that...

        Then it's clear to see that google isn't even close to controlling a majority of traffic.

        Example: cnn.com DOES NOT use google adwords... and the main source of traffic is not search engine traffic - it's TELEVISION. So the traffic comes in from watching cnn, then some click on the links to the paid advertising... and those who advertise on cnn.com have the ability to get a ton of traffic... that has nothing to do with google.

        What about abcnews.com? Time.com? And other huge giants who gets millions of hits constantly?

        NONE serve their ads up from google. And most of their traffic is gotten from NON-google sources... such as social media, the TELEVSION, Print, etc. etc.

        So on the large "player" level, google is just one of MANY tools used to get traffic from.

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        • Profile picture of the author Sancho Sanches
          I really like your post, Jason.

          It helps put things in perspective.

          PS. People at the site like your products. Especially Niche Copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author milo_pl
    Come on...conspiracy theories...it's not like anyone is forcing you to use Google products...they're free to expand their offer, after all. And isn't it just about any company? I mean M$ "knows" pretty much about their users too.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyRaker
    Really nice and productive debate guys. Am glad that I posted the video .....

    Although I am not yet in a mood to take any specific sides in this debate .... let me reinforce the fact that it is the acquisitions and aggressive behavior of Google that is frightening people - not what amount of traffic they can control. Its the penetration that is scary, not the Power!
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Y
    Great video! Its simple, if you don't want anyone to know what you're doing online, just don't do it online.
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      I cannot access the video maybe the big G has it deleted.

      Anyhow I agree it's a fine balancing act how much to depend on Google. To ignore them is foolish - you are going to get a lot of easy traffic via G, but on the other hand it also puts you at a lot of mercy.

      I think if you have good valuable content you can't go far wrong, as it is always in G's interest to provide good results to searchers, otherwise they will search elsewhere, or use directories, or not bother at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    Jason's right Google is only a small portion... people tend to forget about how big the internet really is and since Google is so 'mainstream' most people tend to see it as the only option - although most marketers use some form of Google service everyday - including me
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  • Profile picture of the author pinkclouds
    How frustrating, the video's been taken down!
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  • Profile picture of the author kenboss
    I'm just getting "THIS VIDEO IS NOT AVAILABLE" ! And Youtube is owned by......... GOOGLE.....
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Originally Posted by MoneyRaker View Post

    Should the anti-monopoly guys get after Google?
    They'd probably have a hard job doing that as no-one is FORCED to use Google. People use it because it is the best of the search engines.

    The case agianst Microhard was based on the premise that people were being forced into using Internet Exploiter as their browser.

    Nevertheless, we live in interesting times.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenboss
    Nope - This Video is clearly not allowed in the UK as I am consistently not able to access it. Bah!

    Anyway, forget Google.
    Save the rainforest instead!

    Forestle


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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by kenboss View Post

      Nope - This Video is clearly not allowed in the UK as I am consistently not able to access it. Bah!

      Anyway, forget Google.
      Save the rainforest instead!

      Forestle


      Hey what does google have against the brits ????

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Steven,

    Those are interesting numbers indeed. I've been thinking that a good list beats search hands down. Agree?
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh
    Google says "don't be evil". That's their slogan.....But we all know the truth, google is the Anti Christ.....you'll see ;-(
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  • Profile picture of the author iinny
    fav video as best as you can get. It really makes you think a lot about googleing!
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesvjohnson
    That video was very funny..
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Great video!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author ericdpangilinan
    Funny!

    This is funny but also shockingly revealing of what's ahead.

    (Big) brother!
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  • Profile picture of the author opportunites
    It is very good to think like this guy!

    Not to be too dependent on big G traffic.

    I love google free trafic, but this thread help me to better understand the point above.

    Thanks James and all the other warriors on this thread!
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