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18 years ago

Maybe your articles are not being done properly , try using long tailed keywords and if your putting many links within the article they may have been removed.

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sylviad 18 years ago

135 isn't much... keep writing "till your fingers drop off" or hire someone to write for you at Elance or other freelance services site.

People making anywhere near that kind of money have thousands of articles out there, in different locations... article directories, blogs, on related sites, and elsewhere.

Check your article stats wherever you have them posted. See if you are getting good readership. Some directories tell you how many clicks you're getting. If you aren't getting many, you probably need to modify your resource box so that people are encouraged to click.

If you aren't getting much readership, pay more attention to your use of keywords. Use your main keyword in your title, in the opening sentence and once more in your first 2 paragraphs. Include it a few more times throughout your article and be sure to add once more as close as possible to the last word of your article.

Also, don't make my mistake and include too much info in your articles. Leave the reader wanting more... give them a good read with valuable information, but then direct them to your site to get the next steps.

When they arrive at your site, make it easy for them to find that additional information, and include an invite to click to your product.

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Norma Holt

18 years ago

Sylvia you have done us proud. Thanks for your insightful response.

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Eric Lorence

18 years ago

Many of the people I know whom earn 10K per month or more are those whom have developed multiple income streams over the years.

Specifically, they have built dozens and even hundreds of small web sites that by themselves earn very little 30-100 dollars per month. But now multiply that by 100 or more and you can see the potential.

These sites usually cover a variety of niches and themes.

Building this number of sites is not too difficult, it would take longer at first, but as you gain skill and learn how to automate, one could easily have 100 moderate traffic sites up in a year.

Of course there will be a web hosting component to your business, as to offset the costs of the VPS of dedicated server requirements.

The income will come from Adsense, CPA, Clickbank, and other kinds of advertising.

The sites are usually simple HTML, Wordpress, etc. They will be well optimized and linked.

Consistently test the revenue production of each site and tweak the sites as needed.

For the most part, you want to reach a point where you can build them and forget them.

With this many sites generating decent traffic, you can begin to leverage those sites and their traffic potential for greater revenue growth by adding target list building campaingns and developing niche products.

And if that is not your interest, you could also Flip many of these for a decent profit.

Of course there are many other methods to achieve this kind of income online, but building up your web property early will build a strong foundation for your business in the future.

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Tim_Carter

18 years ago

I don;t do any of that.
Wordpress blogs getting to the top of search engines - that's it.

Sales come from there - plus recurring income helps - sell once get paid many many times.

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Chris Lockwood

18 years ago

There are other ways to make money besides articles- most of those I know making that kind of income aren't doing it that way.

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James Schramko 18 years ago

Kory,

I want to help you.

"I hear people say they make around $10k a month and up. Just curious how many campaigns you guys have running at once?"

- You can do this with one campaign if you move beyond article marketing

"how many articles are too many? I have about 135 articles floating around right now(still not receiving any traffic really). Is that too many articles? Or should I continue writing until my fingers fall off?"

- The number of articles is not your problem here

There is a bunch of crap in this thread and following some of the advice could keep you locked into a tough grind...

It is possible to make multiples of ten thousands without doing even one article.

If you really like punishment then I guess you could type till your fingers fall off... or you could try doing things differently. (I just do not get the "workhorse" method of bum marketing when there is so much else you can do.)

If you are not making money with 135 articles then you should make changes asap. Of course there are more than one right answer so here are some ideas for you:

First off, check your market.

-What problems are you solving?
-Do you have hungry buyers?
-Are people already paying for solutions in that market?
-Can you get in front of them?
-Have you researched the words they use to communicate
-Do you know what they are looking for?
-Of the people who do find you now how did they get there?
-What fears, frustrations, concerms and problems do you buyers experience?

If you have a good market then why are your articles not working?
-What headlines are you using?
-What bio line do you have?
-Where do you link to?
-Where do you post them?
-What are you writing about?

Try using controversy, curiosity, warnings, lists etc...

Have compelling calls to action.

I hope you have a domain name, a blog and a review / name capture in place. If not then that would be a great thing to do ASAP. Don't build your business on the sands of third party hosting solutions like Squidoo etc..... They are great as satellite sites but not for your primary asset.

If you post your articles to your own wordpress blog, and link back to your review/pre-sell/speeze page then you should get some traffic.

Optimize your blog for SEO.

Post articles to other places like Squidoo, hubpages, wordpress.org, blogger, ezine and goarticles pointing back to your site with the right words in the link.

Submit some videos tusing tubemogul and have the website in the descriptions.

Post comments on blogs with a link to your site.

Post to forums with links to your sites

Post to yahoo answers with a link if appropriate

Sponsor a link somewhere from something in your niche

Take some classifieds ads online like usfreeads and in an ezine

Approach another author and swap artcies on sites with links intact

Build you email list and poll them

Be an expert in your market and blog about current affairs in that industry

Submit a press release

Start a blog radio show

Submit all your RSS feeds to RSS feed Directory - Feedage.com

Bookmark your articles, videos, sites, blogs to RSS feed Directory - Feedage.com

Run a teleseminar and make an upsell offer to subscribers.

Write a free report with affiliate links

Run PPC with tracking on keywords

Use Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, Stumbleupon and Technorati to leverage your articles.

Make MP3's for your blog readers.

Interview an expert

Make info products (Ebook) for sale or as a bonus.

That is just off the top of my head.

Do that or some of that for a hungry market and you WILL make $10k no doubt about it...
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  Since you are article marketing also, you need to follow warrior Steven Wagenheim. He does make that kind of money and most of it is from article marketing.
  
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18 years ago

I think a lot of people who are making $10k plus a month are having their own products. Would be enough to have 500 members in a membership site that costs $20 a month

Also if you have a product or several products up and running you can leverage with joint ventures, mail lists and using affiliates who are doing the work for you. I think products, leverage and outsourcing is the key to such success.

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James Schramko

18 years ago

You don't even need a product, JV,s a website or articles.

Method 1
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You need one direct linking campaign that returns $350 profit a day.

-no product,
-no list,
-no JV,
-no website,
-no SEO

Just buy traffic and pick high converting offers.

Method 2
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Five clients paying $1999 per month for web sites, marketing consulting or SEO or PPC management etc... service

-no product,
-no list,
-no JV,
-no website,

So there are a number of ways to make $10k per month.

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Kevin Riley

18 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

I hear people say they make around $10k a month and up. Just curious how many campaigns you guys have running at once? Like I am currently running just one campaign(I know that won't make me $10k/month) but I would like to have an idea. Like maybe 10+ campaigns is what you guys run to make that much money?

Also, since I'm doing article marketing, how many articles are too many? I have about 135 articles floating around right now(still not receiving any traffic really). Is that too many articles? Or should I continue writing until my fingers fall off?

I'm basically just trying to see where I need to get to make good money at this. Trying to set some goals.

Thanks for any feedback
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Campaigns? You don't give much info on what except articles. Are you promoting aff product? Your own product? What?

I create info products and I do very little promotion, as I mainly want to focus on my product creation. The products sell continuously, and many affiliates pick them up and bring me more customers. I guess I'm running half a campaign.

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James Schramko 18 years ago

Kevin,

You have the hamster market 100% sewn up. I recommend others stay away.
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SimonRiver

18 years ago

I think you need to submit those 100+ articles to more directories. I've found that 1 directory just isn't enough. Invest in a mass article submitter software, it'll shave so much time off.

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vorales

18 years ago

I too wonder how people makes 10k a month.

I had been doin all these things Article writings and free ads n all but really not generating traffic.guess got to change strategy.

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reapr

18 years ago

Originally Posted by vorales

I too wonder how people makes 10k a month.

I had been doin all these things Article writings and free ads n all but really not generating traffic.guess got to change strategy.

All you need is a few hot products to promote and a few good articles that rank well this includes no PPC. It can be done!!! Heck as a hobbie 2-3k a month working 2-3 hours a day it is achievable once you find a formula that works for you.

For example I quit wasting time with free ads. I found it counterproductive and it did not work for me though it probably does wonders for others. I used squidoo, and wordpress blogs on my domains. I promoted the rss feed. I used article rewriting and submission services. I wrote articles for authority sites when requested and in return all I asked was that my link remained in the content. I only submitted my best articles not rewritten to to the best article directories. I used keyword tools such as google keyword tool, insights, trends for keyword ideas and research. I always looked for products that were increasing in demand. I was not afraid of going for the juggler on top words but I would start with the long tail then move up to the main keywords and phrases. Often keyword tools would not give me good long tail or niche terms and this is where squidoo comes in. Squidoo stats will show you the keywords or phrases that people are finding your page with and what SE. It is a strategy and formula that has worked for me.

As a final note I will have to say that keyword research is 95% of the work at least it is for me.

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18 years ago

Originally Posted by vorales

I too wonder how people makes 10k a month.

I had been doin all these things Article writings and free ads n all but really not generating traffic.guess got to change strategy.

Start by making your first $10, via bum marketing if you're stony broke. It does work, but it's a brute force way to make an income. Only do it until you've made a few dollars to invest in your business.

Invest $10 in a domain name, and get hosting for the site.

You now have a site.

Choose affiliate products and market them from your site.

Invest the profits from affiliate marketing in your first product.

Invest those profits into another product.

And so on.

Most people who are making six figure incomes have either been doing this for a few years, or they're using skills they acquired in an offline business and have transferred them to the online environment.

I'm sure you'd be surprised to realize how many people are making more than $10K a month. :-)

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reapr 18 years ago

angela99 some good points. Though bum marketing is not the easiest way to make money online it is probably one of the best ways to start with no or little capital and get results.

I think were most people fail with this is giving up after a few weeks. It takes at least a 3 month or more commitment and about 2-3 hours a day ... yes a 7 day week. When starting out creating your own biz days off are for corporate slaves or people happy with their current job or paycheck. Don't worry once you reach a certain level you can take what ever day off you choose. The commitment starts from the day you actively start creating content and building sites or even just creating squidoo or hubpages. The commitment does not start by just reading warrior posts and researching keywords that just leads to analysis paralysis and nothing ever happens. Anyone who has a burning desire and a few hours a day, has access to a computer and can write a document can get 'boned' up on IM in 3-4 weeks especially in warrior forum.

The good news is you are probably in one of the best free forums online. If you have a few bucks burning a hole in your pocket don't overlook the members only forum ... it really is under priced but don't tell Allen.
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rockgold 18 years ago

Hi Angela
You make good sense. In the marketing system I am in we use the profits from small cash generating affiliate programs to keep advertising. then, when the prospect gets further into the funnel, we pitch the high end product. Most of all, they have to learn to trust you before buying from you. I get a hundred emails a day from people who pitch their product right away and they don't realize this is just plain WRONG!

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Kyle L Hannah

18 years ago

10k per month is not that hard once you find your niche market.

Here are the plans for success I follow and teach:

- Research your idea
- Plan for success
- Expect success
- "JUST PLAIN DO IT"

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sylviad

18 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

So some people make $10k/month from ONE product? I was thinking people were promoting like 10-20 products at a time and each product was generating around $500-$1k/month for them.

That is how I look at it.

Kory

Kory, I don't think that's what Kyle meant. You are right. You promote a bunch of products at once, not just one product. That would have to be one fantastic, high-cost and in-demand item. :rolleyes:

Recently, with all the hype about starting membership sites, I ran some quick numbers and was shocked to see just how much you can make consistently with a $37 membership site. Duplicate that over several sites and you can easily achieve that $10K income level.

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Matt D 18 years ago

The best advice I was given is to settle on a method and master it before moving on to new projects.

It's so easy on the net to get distracted by all the bright and shiny objects and end up wasting your day, months, year...
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Alminc

18 years ago

James Schramko,

Method 1
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You need one direct linking campaign that returns $350 profit a day.

-no product,
-no list,
-no JV,
-no website,
-no SEO

Just buy traffic and pick high converting offers.

Could you please explain in more details and even give an example for the method above ?

Almin

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James Schramko 18 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

James Schramko,

Could you please explain in more details and even give an example for the method above ?

Almin

Hi Almin,

Re: Method 1
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You need one direct linking campaign that returns $350 profit a day.

-no product,
-no list,
-no JV,
-no website,
-no SEO

Just buy traffic and pick high converting offers.

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I'll expand on that for you:

You look for a mass market physical or digital product with a 50% profit margin that is not promoted in clickbank, CJ or CPA networks.

Then you join the affiliate program directly and make contact with the affiliate manager.

Install a tracking pixel on the thank you page.

Drive traffic to the offer directly to your affiliate link (Via a re-direct is better) using banners and contextual advertising and other methods....

Track sales conversions.

Kill the bad campaigns.

Clone the good ones.

If you spend less than your comission you are in profit.

When you find offers that convert you ramp up traffic from more places.
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reapr

18 years ago

Originally Posted by theVFusionGroup

People pulling that kind of money usually have a large downline in a network marketing business opportunity. Those and even greater numbers are possible with residual income and more importantly multiple streams of income. Affiliate marketing, AdSense and other online businesses can help. I haven't researched too many but keeping track of 3-5 solid businesses at once should be quite do-able. There are only so many hours you can dedicate to each business each day so it is vital to automate some processes with software that can help like article submission programs or friend adders for MySpace/Facebook when social networking. Best, G.

Network marketing is much too hard compared to affiliate marketing. Once you reach a certain level and the cash does flow in I find that outsourcing the stuff I can do but not well to someone else. In effect I create two of me and at this point in the game it is cheaper to outsource some of this stuff. SO in effect I hire a helper that can do something well so I can focus on the stuff I do well like SEO and building traffic. I am not at the 10k mark and only I and the accountant and gov will know exactly what I make but 300 dollar days are not that uncommon and once I saw days like that it made me kick it into gear from a hobbie to the next level. Yes it is very doable!!!

Originally Posted by korypearman

So some people make $10k/month from ONE product? I was thinking people were promoting like 10-20 products at a time and each product was generating around $500-$1k/month for them.

That is how I look at it.

Kory

I promote dozens of products but I focus on 3-5 at any given time. A product to me could be a group of product in a very tight niche or one product.

I have learned to at least have several sites and products going I can handle getting slapped around by google a bit but with one site and product a drop kick and a left hook on an update can be devastating. On each site I also do on page and off page factors a bit differently that way an algo change will hopefully not affect all. After an update it is not uncommon to see one site do better and one slow down but at least it spreads the risk around for me and I use WH techniques.

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blue-ego

18 years ago

This is an amazing thread...

I have a question to all the pros, that many of us that start an 'online career' would probably like to ask. This was bugging me for some time and it would be nice to get an answer.

All you guys say that you promote dozens of products or run several, if not hundreds of websites and my question is...how long did it take you to reach the this level of efficiency, gather all the tools and know how, set it all up etc. How long did it take you to make revenue that let you treat it as a full time job?

Did you start off as a hobby or quit job and worked on building your business right away?

I know that each answer will be different but it would be interesting to know....

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angela99

18 years ago

Originally Posted by blue-ego

This is an amazing thread...

I have a question to all the pros, that many of us that start an 'online career' would probably like to ask. This was bugging me for some time and it would be nice to get an answer.

All you guys say that you promote dozens of products or run several, if not hundreds of websites and my question is...how long did it take you to reach the this level of efficiency, gather all the tools and know how, set it all up etc. How long did it take you to make revenue that let you treat it as a full time job?

Did you start off as a hobby or quit job and worked on building your business right away?

I know that each answer will be different but it would be interesting to know....

Thanks for great thread

OK, I'm game to share. :-)

I'm a copywriter and magazine writer. I wrote business books for a few years too, so writing is easy for me. I got online in the mid-1980s, and ran up huge bills on CompuServe until the WWW happened.

Once the WWW kicked off (does anyone remember the launch of eBay - great memories and lots of fun) I mainly wrote about the Web for computer magazines.

It didn't occur to me to create my own products. I was too busy writing business books for Prentice Hall and Allen & Unwin at that stage.

Then around the time I started blogging in 2001/ 2002 I though I'd try to sell an ebook online.

This ebook sold very well, but it took years for me to start looking properly at online writing, and creating products and selling them online. Until 2005 and 2006 it was just a sideline from my "real" business, copywriting etc.

Slowly I started selling more ebooks, and when I got an iMac in 2005 I suddenly found creating ebooks easy and FUN. I got into blogging in a big way, and that's been very good to me too.

So for me, developing the Internet marketing side of my business has been gradual.

Until 2006, for me "writing a book" meant writing a book proposal for publishers and waiting for my agent to sell it. By 2006 I realized I could make much more money much faster by writing ebooks. I doubt I'll ever bother with traditional publishing again. I enjoy my freedom too much. :-)

Re "gather all the tools and know how, set it all up etc" - I'm still doing that. I've just started podcasting and creating my own videos, so there's a learning curve in that. There's a learning curve in everything, but you soon realize that anything you learn to do online pays off BIG once you start to use that knowledge.

Everyone is different. "How long" is mainly a result of learning and then using the new skills you've developed.

Good luck - I wish you every success. :-)

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matthewd

18 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

(I know that won't make me $10k/month)
Kory

Why not?

Travis Sago once told me that he thinks you can take any market at all and if you address it correctly, turn it into a six figure site.

I am not at the level of being able to take any market and turn it into that... but I believe it is completely possible.

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Don't reinvent the wheel.

Go to markets where there is plenty of demand and high PPC for those types of products. Then, see what is selling as far as info products. Lastly, create your own info product on the same market, but make it look really good, or different and sell it. With a big market with well known buyers (the high PPC is a hint)...you can write articles, do link exchanges, etc. for traffic.

Go where the money is.

Period.

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18 years ago

It is definitely possible through Bum Marketing... but I was not saying only through Bum Marketing.

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mikecowles 18 years ago

There are a few resources for effectively finding profitable products on clickbank available. One is Google Nemesis, the other is Commission Blueprint. Google Nemesis is $67 a month, but you can cancel after the first month and get all the info you need or you can get Commission Blueprint for $77 (last time I checked).

Another great resource is Kingspoint Project. You can see it at Kingspoint Project (not an affiliate link). It's free, but the info can be bit techie. The advantage for them is, if you feel like you can't do what he teaches... you can pay him to do it!

Either way, the info is accurate and straightforward to make a ton of cash.
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18 years ago

Hi Kory,

My suggestion is to go to Clickbank.com and research the best selling ebooks in a market that interests you. Then buy one of them. Then read it (or watch the videos) and write a summary of the information for your article, giving good information, with a "If you want to find out more, I recommend visiting (place your cloaked affiliate link here) from the expert in this field..."

Then I suggest you spend some money on getting that article seen. This can be with seo, article submissions, paying someone to send it to their list of thousands, paying for consulting on effective traffic, etc...

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18 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

I hear people say they make around $10k a month and up. Just curious how many campaigns you guys have running at once? Like I am currently running just one campaign(I know that won't make me $10k/month) but I would like to have an idea. Like maybe 10+ campaigns is what you guys run to make that much money?

It's not about the number of campaigns but what kind of ROI you get from your adgroups within those campaigns. You start off with a few adgroups and/or keywords, test, track, and tweak them until they are profitable then you scale up. You start off investing a few hundred bucks a month on PPC (or some other paid advertising) and then work your way up re-investing your profits.

I've said it before and I'll write it again...nothing has made me money quicker than paid advertising. But that's only ONE way to get traffic.

Also, since I'm doing article marketing, how many articles are too many? I have about 135 articles floating around right now(still not receiving any traffic really). Is that too many articles? Or should I continue writing until my fingers fall off?

Two things: First, you can never write too many articles (ask Steve W. Tim G., and Dean S)! There are way too many variables to give you a concrete number. Five years ago one article a week was sufficient to build a very nice residual income in about 9 to 12 months. Today I'd say an average of ten articles a week would be a good minimum bench mark - assuming you are only submitting to directories, this does not include using press releases and web 2.0 marketing because then that one article can go a really long way.

Secondly, think in terms of content marketing. Your article is content. You can take 10, 20 or even 40 of your articles and make a report out of it, an e-book, rewrite - reword them and post them on your own blog, web 2.0 websites, turn into an RSS feed and then submit to RSS directories, and you are really only limited by your own imagination (to get the juices flowing give Ed Dale's free 30 day challenge a whirl...the possibilities are endless).

I'm basically just trying to see where I need to get to make good money at this. Trying to set some goals.

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Kory

What are you promoting? Your own products? Other people's products? Or both? Are you capturing email addresses? Do you have a back-end strategy?

There are dozens of ways to do this, look at Kevin Riley's example where he cranks out quality products and lets his affiliates do most of the promoting. Some marketers focus only on paid advertising. Some focus on Search Engine Optimization, some people use tons of RSS feeds in very creative ways to get traffic, some use the radio and television, and the list goes on and on. And some nut jobs (like someone I know) does a little bit of just about everything.

The critical key to making this work for YOU is to focus on ONE strategy / tactic at a time, get it to where it's profitable, then scale it up. That's how you make 10k a month - the cool thing is that you don't have to stop there.......

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onlinemoney00

18 years ago

There are many variables people making over $10k will use. However , the goal is not to focus on what other people are doing, because might you have different backgrounds, resources and time. Set a goal for yourself, gather your resources together and learn how to drive traffic. There are 2 types of traffic, paid methods & free methods, do you have the resources to use paid methods. Also you might want to consider diversifying your traffic, instead of using just articles, you might want to incorporate video too.

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talfighel

18 years ago

Hi Kory,

SOME people who are making $10,000 are probably doing this as a GROSS income..

I am getting to that too.

Now, article writing is an effective way to drive traffic to your site but this is just a SMALL part of what you should be doing.

There are so many things that you should be doing online.

1. Article writing
2. PPC
3. Advertise on High traffic websites
4. forum marketing
5. YouTube video marketing

Tal

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